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[sturdy cloak]

Hmmm... I having a problem with dlss fix. My reshade fails to load the addon. I get this error in the logs :

18:03:19:782 [ 9716] | INFO | Loading add-on from 'G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Wuthering Waves\Client\Binaries\Win64_renodx-dlssfix.addon64' ...
18:03:19:783 [ 9716] | ERROR | Failed to register add-on, because the requested API version (18) is not supported (17)!
18:03:19:783 [ 9716] | ERROR | Failed to load add-on from 'G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Wuthering Waves\Client\Binaries\Win64_renodx-dlssfix.addon64' with error code 1114!

Unsupported Api ?

[fallen roost]

read instructions more closely

also #1413548071987576862

[sturdy cloak]

requested api is version 18, I have version 17. Anyone know how I fix this ?

[sturdy cloak]

I thought I did though...

[fallen roost]

second sentence of top/pinned post?

[sturdy cloak]

the name ?

[sturdy cloak]

how the custom reshade.

A bit of confusion on my part there.

Sorry.

[fallen roost]

click the welcome link

[sturdy cloak]

found it. Thank you so much !

[verbal schooner]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1nl3rr1/its_been_3_weeks_the_shadow_still_here_its_even/

not sure how this made it past their testing but reflection literally shows a black square plane on the character which makes all the ghosting and shadows bugged

[glad mauve]

bros

stop

it's just getting worse

This is what happens when you use software shit lumen

Wouldnt be an issue if it was HW based /s

[echo ridge]

Update your knowledge bud

Fixed for a while now.

[echo ridge]

Accept the slop

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[dusty tiger]

Still doesn't work with Optiscaler though. Which people who have pre-40 series cards will need in order to inject FG.

[analog glacier]

Could you tell me which lines? Ive got 2070 super, I couldn't figure it up to make FG option show up in the settings, only Optimizer says spoof is active as you said

[dusty tiger]

You have to set these two to = true to get spoofing to work.
And each time you change any FG settings they will revert back to "auto" which is super annoying.

[analog glacier]

Doesn't work :/ I'm on OptiScaler v0.7.9 by the way

[dusty tiger]

I'll try in a bit and verify that it still works for me

[dusty tiger]

@analog glacier idk. Works for me.

You might need to need to run the Signature Override. But not sure if that matters.

[analog glacier]

Okay I got it. I installed reshade and changed its dxgi.dll to Reshade64.dll, installed OptiScaler as d3d12.dll, Set LoadReshade=true in OptiScaler.ini and used this dxgi.dll https://github.com/cdozdil/d3d12-proxy to spoof my RTX 20xx. This way Frame Gen is working as well as sweet sweet HDR.

Performance took a hit unfortunately, as did the vram usage. Any advices on that? 8GB VRAM sucks.

[dusty tiger]

All you can really do is DLSS I think.

[dusty tiger]

How does FG work on a 20 series? Or is it DLSS to FSR FG?

Oh! I see what you did. nm

lol. Yeah, if you use DLSS4 with the HDR mod you are gonna get flickering. RIP

Yeah. But I was missing that he was still using Optiscaler. Reading is hard. XP

[dusty tiger]

Now if only I could get DLSS Fix to work with Optiscaler....

[alpine orchid]

I wonder who here has the fewest extra dlls going into their game

[analog glacier]

Yeah I’m still using preset E. Not seeing much difference and preset K tanks the performance on my GPU.

[midnight tide]

I have no flickering problem with dlss 4 preset K on a 5090

[glad mauve]

Without using dlssfix?

Reno will cause highlight flickering with transformer FG on SDR path to HDR upgrades games

Wuwa turns into a disco ball

Oh right Nvidia confusing everyone

Mfs really create DLSS e.g Deep Learning Super Sampling

Only to start introducing new features like FG into the mix whilst also calling it DLSS(3) but that got confusing so they then clarified by having the original DLSS be DLSS_SR (super resolution e.g upscaling) and FG be DLSS_G

[midnight tide]

Yes, although im not using FG just dlss balanced

[glad mauve]

DLSS upscaling doesn't cause the flickering

It's exclusive to when Frameslop is on

[midnight tide]

For my rig, framegen is pointless since it doesnt solve the horrible 1% lows and introduice even more artefacts

[glad mauve]

Frameslop can only interpolate whatever your base is

If the game is a stuttering mess

Frameslop will just give you stuttering mess^2

Curse Nvidia and devs for trying to selling it as a perf booster

[midnight tide]

Couldnt agree more

[clear holly]

Wuwa is probably the worst UE4 game in terms of framepacing, stutters and just fluctuations

(Even after traversal to catch the missing shaders compilation)

[halcyon meteor]

• Changed blowout slider to better simulate vanilla blowout
• Removed resource upgrade target settings (carried over from UE mod, no longer necessary)

Please me know if you think either the blowout restoration or highlight saturation sliders are now unnecessary bloat with this new blowout slider behavior (or just let me know slider combinations where one or more sliders have no effect).

[clear holly]

Highlight saturation can look cool but Phoebe hair gets piss yellow lol
It's always my calibrating thing for saturation in this game

I guess that's a game issue, it is quite "unsaturated" with phoebe hair in the same range, so when you increase it sat...

Could edit her hair texture lol, but I prefer dx12 for the (broken) rtgi

[pulsar gazelle]

cool
So cool

[sturdy cloak]

You, sir, did not play Jedi Survivor ! 😂 All jokes aside, it is admittedly quite inconsistent. And I am better off than most when it comes to my config so, it is suboptimal to say the least. I do think it got worse in recent patches though. I think it was noticeably better between 2.0 and 2.4. But it could just be me...

Hogwarts legacy also had its rough edges I think.

[wet crane]

Hogwarts Legacy is at least 10 times worse than Wuwa when it comes to stuttering and instability haha, it's not as bad as Jedi Survivor tho

[sturdy cloak]

100% agreed !

[foggy mica]

uninteded effect of HDR, you not longer fall asleep at your PC >.> who needs to wake up for a job that you hate when you can play HDR games late into the night.......

[alpine orchid]

although playing in hdr until a couple hours before bed and gradually switching to a dimmer hdr setting, and then finally using low brightness sdr does help me sleep I find

[alpine orchid]

Yeah at some point wuwa was really well optimized and ran very smoothly. Then they added new areas and new settings and now it's kind of a mess

[foggy mica]

ah yes, your weakening the power of the HDR spell! it can't not longer keep your mortal body awake if you lower the Brightness XD

[foggy mica]

i wander if you think i should continue to use LSFG since i can set it up to max 80FPS and then have it at x2 for that max 160 FPS my monitor does, OR maybe the new wuwa FG is better ?

with the FG fix

[foggy mica]

what setting do you think i should do for HDR+ preset with V2 highlights?

hmm, i guess i should just use V1 and HDR+ ?

what settings ? :3

[fallen roost]

idk what LSFG is

[foggy mica]

ah the Losless Scaling progame from Steam, and the FG is his frame gen, many use that since not many games even have FG let along mod them

yeah that one

HDR look

it was named HDR+ from what i remember last time XD

[fallen roost]

i don't think much of lossless scaling, personally. just blind post process motion estimation. nvidia smooth motion is similarly post process and blind

kinda like your TV doing motion interpolation

nvidia frame gen actually uses camera positioning in 3d space, motion of objects in 3d space, and computes delta frames based on that.

[wet crane]

@halcyon meteor The new blowout slider is nice, but blowout restoration is still necessary imo, it controls the skin color

the new blowout slider does only affect very bright highlights

[foggy mica]

Nvidia Smooth motion is worst that LSFG :3

[wet crane]

you mean the blowout restoration slider when the normal blowout slider is at 100?

oh you mean the highlgiht saturation slider and the blowout restoration

both sliders work fine when blowout is at 100

vanilla vs new settings with new blowout slider

it looks pretty good imo

[wet crane]

This is a really cool place actually haha

it can look drastically different based on the time of day/weather

[foggy mica]

GIVE ME YOUR SETTINGS T^T looks so good

[wet crane]

Vanilla+ with 40 blowout lol

[foggy mica]

XD ah ok :3

you made the SS look amazing

XD

[foggy mica]

also did you use V1 highlights no?

[wet crane]

yes and 203 game brightness

the only difference is the 40 blowout instead of 0

I think it should be updated, with the new blowout value. Thanks! 🙂

why did you add the gamma correction slider btw?

I mean option

off should be the correct setting

off vs 2.2 at default settings, and it completely crushes everything if you do a resonation liberation attack or when auto exp kicks in

ahh I see

the colors are slightly different yea

hmm using 2.2 gamma and rising shadows might be better than off

nah it's not

or maybe I need to test this more

the colors seems to be "better" with 2.2 gamma

yea 2.2 gamma is warmer and it matches the vanilla color more

vanilla vs trying to achieve vanilla browns

it's close enough, but not perfect

the floor is also different

different color temp

ah wait I'm stupid it's just saturation correction xD

vanilla vs same settings but with saturation correction at 50

[fallen roost]

brown is just dark orange, and per channel is wonky with saturation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU

per channel says dark colors should be over saturated and bright colors should blowout to white

[wet crane]

yes but then I just remembered why I didn't want to lower saturation correction, it messes up the skin and highlight colors, but it's fixable I think

it's time to test at 20 different locations again lol

[verbal schooner]

is this with GI on?

[wet crane]

yes

[verbal schooner]

it does have an issue with over darkening areas, prob not enough ray bounces so that may be part of what you're seeing too

[wet crane]

nah it looks fine with GI on and gamma correction off

it's not really an issue tho, rising shadows fixes it

vanilla vs adjusted settings to match vanilla colors
this is the best I can do I think, without messing up highlight saturation too much

[dusty tiger]

Does this mean presets need to be updated?

[verbal schooner]

GI vs GI off with 2.2 gamma correction

not applying to characters also makes it even more out of place unfortunately

phoebe just there glowing in the dark

i'm inclined to say GI off with the fake skylight is the look they likely built around as ray tracing was added in after the fact and still undercooked with their implementation with all these bugs

[wet crane]

when GI is broken it crushes everything even with the off setting 😩

[verbal schooner]

yeah even off doesn't save it

[wet crane]

2.6 really messed up ray tracing

I guess they wanted to "optimize" it

[verbal schooner]

seems unlikely they'll touch it until 2.7 as we've had no fixes at all this update

[wet crane]

I'm still playing with the saturation correction

yeah unfortunately

character model AA issues are not fixed either

[verbal schooner]

that one annoys me too

very obvious bug

[wet crane]

Iuno looks soo aliased when she is floating on her weapon

[dusty tiger]

They also haven't fixed the Agusta Ultimate issue in WhiWa. They don't document it as a bug. But it also doesn't feel like it is working like it should be.

[wet crane]

yup

[verbal schooner]

blues and purples will always be cooked with saturation increase

[fallen roost]

might need gamut compression

[wet crane]

saturation correction at 50 fixes browns/oranges but messes up blues

[verbal schooner]

getting some bt2020 stuff in the wastelands vs vanilla

[fallen roost]

no cie-xy graph

[verbal schooner]

oh mb lemme get that on

[fallen roost]

might just be bad math, like edges

[echo ridge]

chat what happened in this new update

[dusty tiger]

Colours got nerfed

[echo ridge]

Colours are not gyatt now?

[dusty tiger]

blowout caused blowup

[echo ridge]

lets vibe check this update

[echo ridge]

my preset still looks fine ish

so i guess nothing needed

lul

yeah no change needed for my preset

[wet crane]

I was testing 2.2 gamma but Idk, it looks kinda unnatural for some reason, I'm not sure why. I mean the colors

I don't think that I want to switch to 2.2 gamma

[echo ridge]

well the current preset doesn't mess with it

[wet crane]

saturation correction needs to stay at 100 too haha

[echo ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balance-perfect-gif-25200656

[dusty tiger]

Anyone here use the RenoDX fps limiter? (currently or in the past)

[echo ridge]

yes

[wet crane]

close enough, 90/90/90 wouldn't be ideal in my case lol

[echo ridge]

Its so easy reduce the fan speed bro

[alpine orchid]

Gotta get the ram usage up to 60gb too. More tabs!

[analog glacier]

If I remember correctly I didn’t need the fix when I used latest STABLE optiscaler build

[dusty tiger]

Maybe you weren't using DLSS 4 or something idk. Because it is totally still there.

[wet crane]

2.7 looks cool, BUT they need to fix RTGI 😭

[sturdy cloak]

Yes, they didn't even mention it during the "optimizations" section. I am currently wallowing in anguish and misery for that very reason😭 ...

[midnight tide]

most poeple dont even know what RTGI is, it might be why they're not talking about it

[wet crane]

oh wow this page looks soo cool in HDR

in motion

[drowsy wolf]

why not just use the one from marty?

it looks fine

[clear holly]

That's just screenspace

Also I doubt it improve the shadow color of indirectly lit areas like the top of an arch roof etc

[drowsy wolf]

havent use dx12 in a while no idea how buggy it is rn

[glad mauve]

The problem with any shader that is reshade based is that it is generic

The only way to get it be usable is via REST or some sort of addon that does a similar function, e.g allows you to view game shaders and tell the game how and where a shader should be applied

(which has soso compatibility with DX12/Vulkan)

RTGI, MXAO, DOF and any other depth buffer fx will apply on top of UI, in-game volumetrics, behind transparency objects

[clear holly]

yeah I tried it for bloodborne on shadps4, and obviously you'd get GI of stuff behind fog or smoke, but on top
because that stuff is not in the depth pass obviously

[drowsy wolf]

Is there any add-on that does rtgi ?

[clear holly]

iMMERSE shaders paid from Marty Mc Fly, probably others if you look in the reshade discord server
But it will never compare to native rtgi, and have big downsides with fog etc

[clear holly]

Though, RTGI shaders probably don't work in HDR afaik

[vital moss]

His does tank fps tho

I'm using a different one called smth smth effects with fake GI

[foggy mica]

I’m i weird for likeing 2.4 gamma ? XD

Also 2.4 gamma for UI is nice too

[wet crane]

yes

😄

2.4 gamma for the UI is nice, 2.2 looks too washed out especially the map

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor btw it is possible to make npc less bright like adding a control for it at night they look like flash light

ok ty 🙂

at day also they look so over expose

i put it 50

zero looks washed on other hightlight

v2 is better for it

but other light are a bit washed now

i think one in between well work better for it

what setting u use rn

mabye i can just copy lmao

damn u quit ?

oh ok

i tried urs and it looks better

npc exposure is still there imma brute force it using rtgi shaders

so it looks less bright

i only play 2 game rn so i get annoyed by minor detail

no idea but kuro really mess up a lot of thing 2.6 patch spec with character aa

septimont

holy that shet hurt my eyes that the part of map where it has the most npc

spec during direct sun light my lord they look like flash light

ok 🙂

it looks fine i got some color back 🙂

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor i think shaders here arent patch at all

[crystal thistle]

Dafaq

[wet crane]

if people say that they prefer DX11 for Wuwa then this is why rofl

[glad mauve]

[crystal thistle]

More like her shaders aren't patching at all, exposed and shie

[drowsy wolf]

welp i can only use dx11 for mods 🙁

[frosty gulch]

Okay so I haven't done this in like months cause I didn't have access to my PC

Anyone have any presets I can copy?

Was that the snapshot build or the nightly from 3 days ago

Ah wait is it the ones in the option?

Aye

Yeah there we go

[vital moss]

I'm guessing MPaul's is vanilla+?

[clear holly]

@kuramoto_b and @blue2na on twitter are just obsessed with her lol

[wet crane]

yup

[echo ridge]

yup

[alpine orchid]

I think I got decent rolls on iuno finally

Her sig and passives give so much crit chance lol

[midnight tide]

I’m at 70% with the BP weapon

[drowsy wolf]

@halcyon meteor daf is this lmao

[frosty gulch]

Wait do you wanna run Crit or DMG on her

[alpine orchid]

I'm using crit DMG for my 4 cost. I have crit rate rolls on every echo and her sig weapon and that reaches 95% unbuffed crit chance

[drowsy wolf]

i guess those werent patch

yes

let me try again

nothing seems to work let me verify game files

@halcyon meteor it is possible becaus eof those ?

does anyone know how to fix it 😢

if i enable ray tracing is fix

but without it nothing works

[wet crane]

mine is similar, 130% ER helps a lot if you skip the resonance skill animation to lower her rotation time by ~3 sec

[drowsy wolf]

i fixed it it was my custom engine setting

[alpine orchid]

Makes sense. I'm always happy to see energy regen rolls if I get them lol. I'm probably doing something terribly misguided but I'm usually waiting on her ult to come off cooldown running her with Yangyang

[wet crane]

resonance skill -> doge skip -> jump + echo skill -> basic attack 1-2-3 -> resonance skill -> resonance liberation -> basic attack 1-2-3 -> resonance skill -> basic attack 1-2-3 -> doge -> basic attack 1-2-3 -> heavy attack (hold) -> switch

😄

you can chain in another basic attack 1-2-3 at the end if you want

[alpine orchid]

Thanks, I'll try this

[wet crane]

I love her rotation and gameplay

she is basically untouchable

[alpine orchid]

Her animations are amazing

[dusty tiger]

Is that for if you use her as dps? Cause her rotation with Agusta is much shorter.

[wet crane]

yes

[dusty tiger]

Got ya.
I haven't played her as a dps yet.
Who are the other 2 for her team?

[wet crane]

Ciaconna and Shorekeeper or Aero Rover

[dusty tiger]

Ah. I guessed Cia but those also make sense. Shore might make more sense since I don't think she does errosion, does she?

[wet crane]

The team is doing Carlotta team like damage/rotation aka it's not bad at all

[wet crane]

SK is better but Rover with the 5* sword increases Iuno's aero damage by 26% and it provides 8% aero debuff

[dusty tiger]

I've heard good things. Just haven't looked into it.
Augusta rotation has been comfy. Though using Shorekeeper with them feels a little weird from a story perspective XP

[wet crane]

I skiped Augusta

I was not a huge fan of her rotation/playstyle

Her animations are really good though

[dusty tiger]

I was going to too.
But swinging a huge sword with her legs was too hot to pass on. ^^;

[wet crane]

I'm not a big fan of heavy sword users either so it was a semi-easy skip for me

[dusty tiger]

She is slow, but if you do her rotation right she doesn't really get hit.
I wish Calcharo had a similar QoL.

[wet crane]

I really want to like Galbrena, but her animations are idk kinda mid tbh

The blind samurai guy is cool though

[dusty tiger]

As a DMC fan I am obligated to spend on her.
But I can see the issue from an objective PoV.

[wet crane]

I really love her style and "aura", but I'm going to have to try her before I can decide

her BiS team is supposed to be the highest damage dealing team yet

[dusty tiger]

Always smart to try before you buy. XD

[wet crane]

according to the beta calculations

[dusty tiger]

I'd buy regardless.
I'd prefer if it wasn't the highest tbh. Just need it to be comparable.
Don't want to see power creep hit this game much harder than it already has.

[wet crane]

there is no power creep, you can easily clear content with mid characters and echos

so it's fine, for now

[wet crane]

BiS Augusta team S0R1 can deal 1.85 million damage/rotation
BiS Galbrena team S0R1 can deal 2.01 million

the difference is not that huge

[dusty tiger]

That is good at least. 😸

Does Galbrena run mono fusion team or echo team?

[wet crane]

Phrolova + Qiuyuan

the echo team does more damage

[dusty tiger]

Ah. Qiu isn't out so, Phro and Canta?

[wet crane]

mono fusion is close second

Lupa + Brant

[dusty tiger]

So mono fusion until Qiu comes out then I guess.

[wet crane]

yes

Lupa + SK works too

[dusty tiger]

got ya ^^

[wet crane]

but yea Phrolova + Cantarella is good too

The Galbrena + Phrolvoa + Cantarella team is interesting, they do ~1.76 million damage combined and around 500-600k each

a really nicely balanced team, but the rotation is slower

[alpine orchid]

That sounds interesting

I've played cantarella with phrolova some but need to iron their builds out

I'm so lazy with echoes

[wet crane]

this was my first try result in the previous whiwa, that Phrolova team is super op even without the golden token

whimpering wastes 😄

[alpine orchid]

I'll have to give it a shot!

[echo ridge]

@halcyon meteor can u change my preset to force oklab as a hue processor

force these parts for my preset basically

[midnight tide]

any news regarding the RTGI ? Will they fix it in 2.7 ?

[wet crane]

nothing

[dusty tiger]

They'll probably never announce it when they do fix it. It will just happen one day.

[glad mauve]

Or won't

[clear holly]

I bet they won't fix it, but decouple the new buggy features into yet another toggle
Like they did when they splitted RTGI and RT shadows and RT reflections

Just as a way to "improve" performance

[midnight tide]

If there’re enough people like us crying about it they might but I don’t think it will happen

[midnight tide]

I would actually dont mind if the performance did improve though but this is not the case

[glad mauve]

They'll improve performance (by giga decreasing the quality and draw distance)

Certified optimisation technique

[clear holly]

I already use a r.DrawDistanceScale = 3 (or something like that) and it barely affect fps lol
Grass render significantly further

[glad mauve]

I did all of that because vanilla is abysmal

Even with the tweaks NPCs still spawn 10 metres in front of me

[clear holly]

I hate how draw distance gets tiny when you fly... (compared to gliding or walking)
That's modified at runtime so...

[glad mauve]

I've been waiting so long to play this game

I started learning how to make a Reno addon

made one and already making plans for another game

[clear holly]

🤔 the game is fully playable though lol
Either disable RTGI, or cope with it
I enable it just when I play the story basically

[wet crane]

High qualtiy screenshots from the combat showcase video

Galbrena is basically DMC Nero + Bayonetta

[foggy mica]

Wish she was JUST nero cuz her bayonetta half kinda is not there cuz it also have the Nero part and this char doesn’t look to have THAT many combos

I end up pulling Iuno insted of Glabrena

[wet crane]

If her gameplay is fun then I will pull her

[foggy mica]

I was expecting Carlotta level of gunplay BUT demon Hunter DMC nero style!

[wet crane]

I need her in my Lupa team

[wet crane]

I didn't want another Carlotta tbh

[foggy mica]

Not whatever this combo is T^T it doesn;t even have as cool as Augusta combos

[wet crane]

I wanted a TD summoner gunslinger combo character

[foggy mica]

Ofc not! I mean at LEAST that level of gunplay!

[foggy mica]

Yes

That

[wet crane]

I'm not 100% happy with her kit based on the videos but we will see

Her damage is high at least

[foggy mica]

Yeah she is not a Lupa in terms of DMG for sure XD individualy at least

[wet crane]

Lupa's damage is not that bad for a pure buffer/support character

[foggy mica]

Clearly not what we whanna from Galbrena XD at least you got a main DPS

[wet crane]

but yea Galbrena is a main DPS

Iuno is actually the new Carlotta in terms of gameplay and fluidity

[foggy mica]

Apparently Iuno is amazing DPS

[wet crane]

yes I use her as a main DPS

[foggy mica]

Oh yeah she is fluid enough, and her polished gameply is above Carlotta for sure

[wet crane]

she is basically unkillable lol

[foggy mica]

Lol

I use her with Augusta

[wet crane]

you are high above in the air, not even bosses can reach you

[foggy mica]

Eh some times it doesn;t spawn you above

And got hit

[wet crane]

I mean if you use her as a main DPS then that's not really a problem

• you have two healers in the team

lol

Iuno + SK or Iuno + Aero Rover

[foggy mica]

It’s one of thous moments when your momentum is going and suddenly when you do the ground dive you are too close to the groud and the boss hits you in the head XD happen a few times in TOA and the Thousand something

But mostyl you are right, i never feelt like i could die

[wet crane]

thats why you doge cancel the resonance skill

you can skip the dive animation

[foggy mica]

Oh

I see

Yeah now that you mention it, the full animation is what kinda brings me closer to the ground

[wet crane]

you can dodge cancel it as soon as you cast it

[foggy mica]

Nice i got to try that

[wet crane]

you need more Energy Regen if you do this tho

[foggy mica]

Ah

Me and building char in wuwa T^T tho i have only a few of them 5 stars limited, i hate the echo building

[wet crane]

Resonance Skill -> Doge immediately -> press jump after dodging

[wet crane]

yea I can't wait for the echo substat changer

it's coming in 3.0 apparently

aka next year

[foggy mica]

Damn at least it’s coming XD is this a leak ? Cuz even in leaks i haven;t heard of this

Bruh i hope Augusta and Angel meet again

[wet crane]

it is from chinese forums

[foggy mica]

oh

[wet crane]

they will

[foggy mica]

I was expecting this to get translated in the leark reddit huh

[wet crane]

it's just speculation tbh

they said that the training mode is comming in 2.7

and that seems to be a 3.0 feature aswell

[foggy mica]

I do not remember a training mode in 2.7 stream?

[wet crane]

it's not comming

[foggy mica]

Yeah XD so we can only hope it happens

T^T

[wet crane]

the chinese leaks said that the new training mode is comming in 2.7

which is available in the beta

2.8 is going to be the last patch before 3.0 though

[foggy mica]

That is a HUGE QOL to not announce it in the 2.7 steam, so i do not believe it will happen in 2.7

[wet crane]

it won't

100%

[foggy mica]

I do not get way are they not tho T^T

[wet crane]

2.8 is going to be a filler patch too

[foggy mica]

Like is such a important QOL

[wet crane]

like 2.5 was

[foggy mica]

Way not add it in a game that is known for combat

[wet crane]

I guess the feature is not ready

[dusty tiger]

Probably won't get a battle event until 3.0 either. Almost 200 days without a battle event

[foggy mica]

Or their priorities are not right, a training mode will 100% make the combat players REALLY happy

[wet crane]

I really hope that they are releasing 3.0 in December near xmas

[foggy mica]

The BAINE of WuWa players! No combat event XD

[dusty tiger]

Would be nice to have the Christmas break to play it

[foggy mica]

Oh that will be something

[wet crane]

2.7 ends on November 20

[foggy mica]

I have sooo many free days planned for December

[wet crane]

2.8 lasts 30+ days sooo yea

it's not going to happen

or maybe

we will see

2.7 lasts 45 days

[foggy mica]

Bruh

THO this might also mean that we jump to 3.0 ? After 2.7?

[wet crane]

no

after 2.8

2.8 is Chisa's and Builing's patch

[dusty tiger]

Could be a 1/2 patch. They did that before 2.0 came out didn't they?

[wet crane]

yea

I really hope se

when did 2.0 launch?

January 2

[dusty tiger]

Yup

[wet crane]

2.8 is going to be a week shorter I guess

aka 38 days long

or something

[dusty tiger]

Nov 20 - Jan 2nd would be 6 weeks too. So might be a full patch if they hit that timing again.

[wet crane]

2.5 was short too

2.5 lasted for 35 days

[dusty tiger]

Yeah. That was the Shorekeeper re-run, yeah?

[wet crane]

I think yea

it was the Phrolova patch

sooo this means

that if 2.8 lasts only 35 days

then they can release 3.0 on Dec 25

[dusty tiger]

Might happen. I don't think China GaF about Christmas, do they?

[wet crane]

oh true lol

[foggy mica]

BRUH what is this chanting music in another language !

i like it !

XD

[wet crane]

where?👀

[foggy mica]

It’s the part when Iuno is talking with augusta about facing the Sovergine

And if she can change fate

There is this song that is a chant in another language not english ofc not chinise from what i heard

https://www.youtube.com/live/0VzzEThln5I?si=5qsDB3veQeIV7eHs&t=17289

click the vid it should start at 4:48:09

that's when the song starts

Also it might be a hot take, but the songs in 2.6? Besides this chanting one? Are meh

Like PGR keeps getting all the nice songs XD i like them

[wet crane]

it's english

Augusta's theme

[foggy mica]

What do you mean its in english?

[wet crane]

yes it's kinda hard to understand tho

or maybe only half of it is in english

[foggy mica]

Damn it, this ingame one is a more strip down version of O sun Whitness my name

T^T

I can hear the chant mix in with that song, so this ingame one is just the chant and some instrumental

Well shit

T^T

[wet crane]

Eclipse still hangs, we march in silence
Swore light shall lead, we stand unbowed
Eclipse still hangs, we march in silence
Swore light shall lead (Brace the), we stand unbowed
Brace the storm, ride thе flame

[foggy mica]

Yeah so i guess the chant is more distorted for the ingame version

[wet crane]

yea

[foggy mica]

And it does repeat unlike the one with O sun whitness

You can hear it in the first 30-40 seconds then it;s drowned by whatever instrumental and vocals blasts after 50 seconds in the song

Some one must had got the ingame version some where on youtube

Ok so it starts at 37 seconds and the chant ends at 50 seconds, damn, so they made a separated song based on just the chant

[wet crane]

Expedition 33 syndrome haha

that game is full of unreleased songs

[foggy mica]

No way

It already has such a LONG song list

XD

Yet there is more?

[wet crane]

yes a lot

like some of the opera piano themes

a lot of the combat and background musics

Septimont's chill nightime music is still the best 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXZiMsq6dw

[foggy mica]

Oh this one ?

Hm it is interesting

Not much fan of the vocals XD it feels like it’s whispering in my ears XD

My ears HATE that kind of ASMR whisper XD even tho it;s not ASMR but its close to trigger my ugh

[wet crane]

I hate ASMR but this does not trigger me

I like the instuments more than the vocals tho

I love flutes

[foggy mica]

Oh i love all instrumentals :3

Now i wish to buy a IEM with even better drivers configuration JUST for Instrumentals

XD

[wet crane]

I love the part that starts at 1:53

[echo ridge]

buy

SPEAKERS

[foggy mica]

Bruh! I have 1 day and 4 hours to finish the 2.6 quest XD thankfuly I’m at the end of the 2.6 first half

[echo ridge]

listening to my porsche arrives on a loudspeaker makes doing mundane things more epic

[foggy mica]

Nah, i do not like to listen to speakers for music, especialy since i also i do NNOT have space for good speakers

XD

Fuck is so late T^T should go to sleep

8 oct

[echo ridge]

we have you as our dx11 shader slave now

it'll be fine

[foggy mica]

Yeah i saw some one quite eager to do DX11 shaders, cuz i have to always borrow some one else account for the shaders

[echo ridge]

you dont need to

a lot of shaders have overlap

as long as you folow the list

it will cover most of it

[foggy mica]

Hmmmm i do believe ther was at least 2-3 shaders that i didn’t had the char to do them, like their pull animation in the meniu

[echo ridge]

huh

you dont need people's account to do that

you can probably check the pull animation of a friend who has it

[foggy mica]

I do not have friends in wuwa tho

[echo ridge]

skill issue

[foggy mica]

Also you can do that?

[echo ridge]

actually i never checked

lul

let me see

if its like genshin

shpould let it

[foggy mica]

Kuro games issue! They never made me give a crap about co-op since it lacks any events to even make friends

[wet crane]

new shaders

[echo ridge]

i have my real life friends added

anywqays

you can check it

someone from my friend list

i dont have augusta

[foggy mica]

Oh interessting

[echo ridge]

@verbal schooner there was a shader on dx12 that i didn't do the dumping myself

where did it happen again

so I can add to my list

i believed you got that one

https://app.capacities.io/home/7c977812-cc3d-4148-9676-0e99b045c1cf

@foggy mica should cover everything other than the one that i didn't dump myself for last patch

[verbal schooner]

oh that was for iuno main story quest area

[echo ridge]

i also remember something about augusta

does she have anything clamped

[verbal schooner]

augusta liberation shader was, don't remember who dumped the shaders tho but it was fixed pretty early on

[echo ridge]

I noticed you sent two files for the iuno story quest

was both new output shader or is it only just one

[verbal schooner]

wuwano said only one of them was iirc

[echo ridge]

ok

so 1 new for augusta liberation

and 1 new for iuno story quest

[drowsy wolf]

i can do it if someone teach me how

[foggy mica]

If you wanna i can show you live when that patch drops

[drowsy wolf]

ok

[foggy mica]

2 people better that 1

[drowsy wolf]

for sure

lets hope is not broken though

mabye kuro being generous

🙂

[foggy mica]

But wait, do you still use dx11?

[drowsy wolf]

yea

i have to

[foggy mica]

Oh ok :3

[drowsy wolf]

am i the only one here ?

[foggy mica]

Hm, there might be some, i personaliy do not know :3

[drowsy wolf]

most people only use dx11 for mods

[foggy mica]

Hm? Are most wuWa mods in dx11?

[drowsy wolf]

u cant use mods in dx12

[foggy mica]

Oh damn

[drowsy wolf]

only dx11 is supported

[foggy mica]

That suchs

[drowsy wolf]

yep otherwise i wouldnt be using dx11 is drops fps

[foggy mica]

XD

I have the game caped at 80 any way

And it still drops in sptimont

I don’t think FG will fix it XD

Can’t use it any way, cuz i will had to use the old one

[drowsy wolf]

nah fg gives some lightling bug

[foggy mica]

Yeah

[drowsy wolf]

i tried it ngl game is just not optimize at all

prob the worst optimize gacha i have played

[foggy mica]

You can use the OLD FG 3.8 something

[dusty tiger]

Tried RT or FG?

[drowsy wolf]

fg with reno dx some lightling flicker

[dusty tiger]

My whole game flickers

[drowsy wolf]

im not gonna bother enable ray im barely getting 60 dlaa with a 5090

[foggy mica]

Yeah you can force the old dll and use THAT

But it looks ah

[dusty tiger]

Huh???

[foggy mica]

4k?

[drowsy wolf]

i prefer smooth motion doesnt cause the weird visual bug

no 1440 ultrawide

with rt enable like 60 average

with max ray

[dusty tiger]

60 doesn't even look smooth in this game imo. Have to be 80 or higher I find.

[foggy mica]

Oh i’m on 1440p UW too, but 60 fps?

[drowsy wolf]

yep

[dusty tiger]

Yeah, that doesn't sound right

[foggy mica]

Damn is dx11 that shit?

[drowsy wolf]

i use shaders

no thats on dx12

mabye thats why

[foggy mica]

Bruh

[dusty tiger]

Why you using shaders?

[foggy mica]

I have a 4070 super, wtf kind of shaders are you using that drops to 60 fps on a 5090!!!

[drowsy wolf]

to make the game look better

[dusty tiger]

I'm on a 3080 Ti and I can get 90-120 at 1440p no DLSS

[drowsy wolf]

with rt?

[foggy mica]

My FPS will flip flop between 100-80 and some low as 70, that’s way i lock it at 80, i do use RT medium without Reflections cuz that is shit

[dusty tiger]

Reno sliders can do almost anything shader wise if you're doing colors and such. I just use an RCAS shader. That's it

[foggy mica]

Without FG ofc

[drowsy wolf]

i have those only

[dusty tiger]

With RT I am between 90 - 130 with DLSS Quality

[foggy mica]

Even then HOW in hell is your wuwa not hitting 100+ ?

[drowsy wolf]

i put mine to dlaa

thats why

[dusty tiger]

I don't think you need all those sharpeners. lol

[drowsy wolf]

those 2 sharpen gives different effect

[foggy mica]

What method do you use for DLAA ?

[drowsy wolf]

u force it in nvidia app

[foggy mica]

Let’s see how it runs on my 4070 super at 1440p UW

[drowsy wolf]

put rt max also 🙂

[foggy mica]

With RT medium without reflections

Nah no need for max at all

I have a config for RT

And it looks better any way at medium, max is just ugh

Holy fuck

50 fps

40 fps!!!

[drowsy wolf]

told ya

i also have a custom engine file

with that i get like 30 with everything max out

on a 5090 🙂

[foggy mica]

RT down i can get at much as 75+ and as low as 60 fps

RT off i mean

Yeah nah i go back to RT medium and DLSS balanced

:3

[wet crane]

cursed preset

[dusty tiger]

That's wild.
I'll keep playing @ 80fps lock with RT low and DLSS Quality. tyvm

[wet crane]

these Frankenstein shader presets never look good, especially if you mix-match SDR with HDR shaders

[dusty tiger]

AKA Paul wants to see the fruit of your performance costs. lol

[echo ridge]

60fps RT Low + LSFG to 180fps for me

[wet crane]

I mean the game runs at 30 fps on their 5090, but it probably looks horrible with ringing artifacts from over sharpening, wrong colors, and weird contrast + oversaturation

[crystal thistle]

Bro is artifacting in 4k

[wet crane]

It runs at locked 90 DLSS Balanced everything maxed on my PC, I would switch to quality DLSS but lowering RT quality destroys reflections

[crystal thistle]

30fps only with rt ultra

[wet crane]

I mean the specular reflections

[crystal thistle]

Yes the ultra preset

[wet crane]

I have no idea why would anyone play this game at 30 fps

[crystal thistle]

Nobody, rt high is enough lol

[wet crane]

yea it's good enough, RT is broken anyways

[dusty tiger]

Bro dipped. Got tired of us dunking on him ^^;

[crystal thistle]

I get 65fps 4k dlaa, the game is just an unoptimized mess even with 5090

[crystal thistle]

It's an anime game

[wet crane]

I mean if your game looks like this: #1411110125732892807 message then yea

Using a HDR addon on top of weird SDR shaders

[dusty tiger]

True. But they use a metric ton of shaders.
Also they have a bunch of custom stuff added to their UE4 engine which who knows how optimized that is.

[dusty tiger]

They just have Genshin withdrawl, ok? XD

[wet crane]

well genshin looks better than that lol

it reminds me of those old ricer cars

you spend a lot of money on car mods to get a result like this:

[drowsy wolf]

rt off i get 120 fine

[drowsy wolf]

im not using rt ? im just enable it for testing

[dusty tiger]

Am still debating if I just ditch RT tbh..... ugh.

[verbal schooner]

that's selling genshin short, it still holds up decently with a bit of modding help

[dusty tiger]

"Just get rid of the game's assets and it's better." XD

[verbal schooner]

just replace them all with 4k upscaled textures and already way better

[dusty tiger]

What does the install size go up to if you do that?

[verbal schooner]

4k texture mod is +60gb 😂

worth if got the storage space

[dusty tiger]

It's still smaller than CoD probably so... lol

[echo ridge]

just watched the galbrena trailer

what is this

italian dmc nero bayo forspoken lost soul aside electric boogaloo looking ahh

[verbal schooner]

one of the weaker trailers for sure

[crystal thistle]

Lego ahh car

[echo ridge]

Semi hudless cutscene is pretty neat

[midnight tide]

With a 5090, a custom ini file (for rt specifically) and dlss Q I have between 70 and 120 fps depending on the area but it’s never perfectly locked.

I wanted to try dlss B but I’m getting some weird bottleneck with my 7800x3d. So the performance is basically the same.

It would be playable with this configuration if I didn’t have 30 fps 1% low

[wet crane]

Yes Septimont is very CPU limited, the max is around 110-120 fps with a 9800X3D. Mine is not perfectly locked either, I get 1-5 fps drops in the city.

[wet crane]

Yea It was just a regular mid cutscene nothing epic

Carthetya’s showcase was the best so far imo

[midnight tide]

Devs are simping for cartwheel

Cant wait for her rerun

[foggy mica]

RT medium, because the High one is dumb made in this game, it's really not that much good for the FPS tradeoff

[foggy mica]

yeah i really don't like how many shit they shove into her gameplay design, like Nero from DMC + bayonetta ? AND with less combos? weird choice when they could just do SOLID gunplay and stick to that + her gameplay pales in comparison to bloody Iuno and Augusta T^T not pulling for her, Chisa might take the cake here if her gameplay pops the fuck off

@drowsy wolf do you have a controller ? it will make the dumping of shaders much easy

we will use m&k and a controller at the same time

[dusty tiger]

What's the nero part? Does her hand fly off?

Seems more like Dante in gunslinger mode.

[midnight tide]

Her pull value is very limited considering the amount of fusion unit

I would still pull her cauz I really like her design but Chisa is my priority

And cartwheel rerun

[thin sable]

thanks bud

[wet crane]

She kinda looks like nero I guess

[wet crane]

She replaces Roccia in the Phrolova team, and Changli in the mono fusion team

She is a very versatile main DPS actually

She is the BiS in 3 teams so far

based on the beta pre-calculations

[wet crane]

It’s just DMC + Bayonetta. Her combos are not that interesting, but Carthetya’s combos are just as repetitive tbh, her liberation is the only thing that actually stands out.

[midnight tide]

I mean it is a slight upgrade for these two units no ? If you don’t have Changli why not, but if you already have her

[foggy mica]

yeah but i feel if the ONLY focused on a female Nero DMC it will had more focus and her gameplay won’t look like a too limited mishmash of 2 gameplay styles

[wet crane]

She is supposed to be a big upgrade in the Phrolova team be we will see in the final version

[wet crane]

I have no issues with her animations and combos, I think it looks cool, but she feels like a 1.x character

thats the main issue

[midnight tide]

Alright we will see i guess. I’ve seen come calcs ranking her barely above Brant, Changli and Lupa team

[foggy mica]

i blame the ones that design her gameplay :3

[midnight tide]

Although since Phrolova is boosting echo damage kinda, she will be more useful than Roccia for sure

[foggy mica]

like i get they are fans of DMC but wtf is this XD

even her resonator combat showcase has DMC references

[wet crane]

Yea for sure, they do 2.2 mill damage/rotation, it’s the highest so far

[foggy mica]

and people say the showcase is mid and lacking compare to the other resonators of 2.0

[wet crane]

haters gonna hate its not that bad

[midnight tide]

It’s really not

[wet crane]

its exactly like DMC and bayonetta

[midnight tide]

Underwhelming yeah but bad nah

[foggy mica]

bruh i do not need to hate to say it’s mid compare to other high quality combat showcase

[wet crane]

Kuro loves DMC

[foggy mica]

XD

[foggy mica]

yeah thatms what i said, really underwhelming

or maybe i should not use mid

XD

[midnight tide]

Mid seems a bit unfair imo

[wet crane]

The showcase video was mid for sure, her animations and combat is not that bad its just not Augusta level

[foggy mica]

yeah but look at the wings animation

that looks mid to me

[midnight tide]

Fair enough

[foggy mica]

wtf was that XD a PNG in 3d?

[midnight tide]

Especially because the wings are kinda what makes her stand out design wise

[foggy mica]

YAH

it’s like bruh, they coudn’t give use her using her wings in gameplay, fine

[wet crane]

I mean ciaconna can do exactly two things

[foggy mica]

but even in the combat showcase they are limiting their animations of the wings

[wet crane]

thats the whole character

[foggy mica]

hm, ain’t that the case for most support buff?

we are talking about main DPS here

[midnight tide]

Yeah i dont expect the same quality for support unit

Dps unit needs more juice since you spend a lot of field time with them

[wet crane]

Thats why I said that she feels like an 1.x DPS

[foggy mica]

oh yeah that now makes sense

[midnight tide]

I love jinhsi but her gameplay dear god

Could have been better

[wet crane]

its not Jinshi level of bad imo

[midnight tide]

True

[foggy mica]

Oh Paul will you pull for Chisa ? :3 just from the first impression?

[wet crane]

No

[foggy mica]

same, i got to see her gameplay

[wet crane]

We know nothing about her

[midnight tide]

Problem with chisa is the lack of teamates. I will pull her regardless juste because of her design

[wet crane]

And Im not a huge fan of school girl characters haha

[foggy mica]

i was really willing to pull for Zani but after that gameplay reveal nah

[foggy mica]

[midnight tide]

Wait theres chisa gameplay ?

[foggy mica]

not yet

i aas talking about Zani

[midnight tide]

Ah ok

[foggy mica]

i was willing to pull by design alone

[wet crane]

she is a havoc support apparently

[dusty tiger]

Yeah, that was the only thing I could think of too. XP

[midnight tide]

Zani is Phoebe reliant

[foggy mica]

then gameplay reveal and nop

[midnight tide]

I’ve heard havoc dps

Using bane debuff

[wet crane]

that sounds better

[midnight tide]

I agree

She could be like carthetya using debuff to do damage

But she had rover

[wet crane]

There is absolutely no way that I’m pulling Phoebe so I’m skipping Zani again

[midnight tide]

Same

Unfortunate timing for her

3.0 is around the corner too

[dusty tiger]

Will be nice when we get that 3.x spectro gun user. Hopefully they pair well with Zani.

[wet crane]

I want Chisa to be a solo dps 😄

That would be interesting

[midnight tide]

Next spectro support is rumored to be a Jinhsi dedicated support

[foggy mica]

don’t give me hope for another gun resonator

[dusty tiger]

The leak is pretty solid. As to the kit. Who knows.

[midnight tide]

That would be great but Kuro seems to sell dps character with dedicated support lately so there’s that

[wet crane]

Gun user like ciaconna

[foggy mica]

[wet crane]

yea…

[midnight tide]

I hate this trend tbh

[foggy mica]

yeah mee too

[wet crane]

Its better than power creep imo

[foggy mica]

nop

[midnight tide]

Idk it’s hard to tell

[foggy mica]

they will powecreap older units any way

[midnight tide]

Yes this

[foggy mica]

it’s been only 1 year for now

but after 2 years?

[wet crane]

yea power creep after the second or third year is unavoidable

[midnight tide]

Carlotta is already showing some weaknesses even tho she can still clear

Same for Jinhsi

[foggy mica]

noooo my mafia gun wifu

[wet crane]

carlotta is great because she can still freeze

[midnight tide]

Like augusta just destroyed everything

[wet crane]

Because its aoe

Carlotta is 1v1

[midnight tide]

I might be wrong but she’s even faster than carlotta on boss fights

With iuno

[wet crane]

I mean Augusta is not an 1v1 character so she can destroy everything in both game modes

carlotta is limited to 1v1

[midnight tide]

I still use her in wiwa cauz my other mdps is Jinhsi

[wet crane]

Iuno is a better Carlotta

as a main dps

[midnight tide]

Really ?

[wet crane]

yes

[midnight tide]

That is pretty sad to hear

[dusty tiger]

Game is pretty good about having multiple combos for composition. And it is only getting better.

Even if you don't have best team you can generally clear tower so w/e.

[wet crane]

Iuno is not really a good support weirdly

or hybrid

[midnight tide]

I mean she is a subdps clearly

Looking purely at her kit

[wet crane]

for augusta yes

[midnight tide]

For Jiyan too no ?

[wet crane]

meh not really

Mortefi S6 is probably better

[midnight tide]

She boosts heavy attack damage that’s it but you’re still supposed to be spending more field time with Jiyan

[wet crane]

her personal damage is better than Mortefi’s

but Mortefi’s buffs are better and his on field time is short

[midnight tide]

So the shield buff alone makes her more like a sub dps for augusta

[wet crane]

her shield buff is insane

bs gimmick tho

augustas shield is useless without Iuno

Iuno’s personal shield is just as bad though

[dusty tiger]

I think Chiccona + Iuno is Jiyan's best team atm.

I need to find a source that tracks and compares team dps.

[wet crane]

Hard to tell, Mortefi+Sk is probably still better overall damage wise

[dusty tiger]

Was just going by what the YT theory people were saying.
Don't have any web source to verify.

[wet crane]

The Iuno+Jiyan team is a dual dps team

I guess it depends on the content

the Jiyan main reddit says that S0R0 Iuno is worse, S0R1 is slightly better than S6 Mortefi

I don’t have Jiyan so I can’t test it

[dusty tiger]

With Shorekeeper though, right?
I think the Iuno + Chiccona combo matters but idk.
This is why I want to find a good source for all this crap. XD

[wet crane]

interesting

[drowsy wolf]

Nope keyboard

[foggy mica]

yeah, i was expecting augusta + Iuno to be bis, there is no way Kuro games will be that generous to make Augusta kit synergies better with a 4 stars that the 5 limited made for her

[foggy mica]

we will see how to make it work with just a keyboard XD

[wet crane]

People would boycott Kuro lol

[sullen hawk]

hey guys, I updated the addon to the 9.24 version from the old one and I've been experiencing flickering? the behavior's pretty odd. if I press the windows key and basically move elsewhere (it's not the active tab/program) - the colors seem good and correct, but if I activate the window it suddenly flickers and looks a bit washed out. any ideas on how to resolve this?

[raven parrot]

for current renoDX wuwa users, how does it compare to RTX HDR? advantages and disadvantages or just better at least 95% of the time with RenoDX?

[wet crane]

It's better at least 100% of the time, and no I'm not joking. RTX HDR is just stretched SDR, everything is still clamped

[raven parrot]

would think so, properly tonemapped hdr is better thena generic rtx hdr

[wet crane]

RTX HDR is fake HDR

you shouldn't use high peak brightness with RTX HDR either

400-600 nits max

I mean RTX HDR is okay if you have no other option

[raven parrot]

what do you mean high peak brightness? Display setting?

[wet crane]

in the RTX HDR settings you can adjust the peak brightness

inverse tonemapped HDR can't handle high peak brightness

[raven parrot]

Its defintley alright considering that its a generic across the board implementation of SDR> HDR for every single circumstance, but yeah would agree proper HDR does look better

[wet crane]

400-600 nits is the "sweet spot"

[wet crane]

I mean, with the correct settings, it usually looks better than SDR

[raven parrot]

what brightness should i use for renodx if my peak 2% window is 1000nits?

[wet crane]

use the 10% value

or well it depends on your display

use the 10% value if it supports HGiG

or something similar to HGiG

[raven parrot]

its vesa display HDR trueblack 1000 so i think thats it?

[wet crane]

if you can't disable the tone mapper then use the clipping point

[wet crane]

which display?

I mean which brand and model

[raven parrot]

Samsung ATNA60HU01-0 OLED on the Lenovo Legion 7i pro

RGB stripe AMOLED

[raven parrot]

is this for RenoDX?

[wet crane]

yes

[wet crane]

I'm not familiar with this display, you can try asking about it on the HDR Den server, in this channel: https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1178744414957473842

[raven parrot]

May i ask why you need to disable the tone mapper? Is it like TV displays where HDR content tracks the PQ EOTF curve based on artist's intent across the BT2020 colorspace but im assuming for DCI-P3?

[wet crane]

the game engine handles the tone mapping

[raven parrot]

so we are disabling that, and relying on RenoDX to do the tone mapping for SDR>HDR conversion?

[wet crane]

pretty much

it's still Unreal Engine but RenoDX does the heavy lifting

[raven parrot]

its a really new and niche panel 😭 , what i know is that it does support 100% of dci p3 and displayHDR certified, with icc or factory calibration usually gamma variance is low and color accuracy is good

should support "real" hdr since it fits the definition on VESA's website

[wet crane]

it's OLED so it does support real HDR

and it's a gaming laptop so I guess it must have some kind of HGiG mode

the spec says 500 cd/m² (Typ.)

aka 500 nits avg birghtness

[raven parrot]

yeah 500 nits full screen brightness, 2% window peak is around 1200nits

[wet crane]

that sounds good

500 nits SDR is really good

you can test the display with the windows HDR calibration tool

if you can switch to HGiG mode

the value you get there is what you should use for RenoDX

[raven parrot]

Sadly nope, dont ahve it

whats the difference between that, normal HDR and RenoDX?

[wet crane]

RenoDX is normal HDR

there is no difference

[raven parrot]

oh dayum

[wet crane]

normal = real

what's the clipping point in the windows HDR calibration app?

[raven parrot]

ok so say the sun in wuwa is set to be in a made up scenario 300 nits, does it follow the artist's intent of 300nits exactly or does it do dynamic tone mapping like on TVs where it draws the 300nits peak to 1000nits?

[raven parrot]

i just went to bed 😢 i'll check tomorrow for you

[wet crane]

if you can't disable DTM then it will use the display's tone mapper to dynamically adjust the scene brightness like a TV

it won't follow the "artist's intent"

[raven parrot]

You got any idea how bright approximately in nits wuwa highlights get?

[raven parrot]

Which one do you perfer?

sometimes i like DTM because high brightness windows like a 1000nit sun look really great

[wet crane]

the correct one which is DTM off

[raven parrot]

that seems to be the majority consesnus lol

[wet crane]

it's tone mapped by RenoDX

10k maybe, not sure, I have to check it

the sun is not that bright in wuwa

character VFXs can get super bright though

yea VFXs can reach 10k nits

a street lamp is ~2000 nits

the sun is 2200 nits

a bright cloud is 800

etc

the contrast between highlights is good

[raven parrot]

was a bad question by me tbf, since you said its real HDR it should be 0-10000 nits as the entirety of the HDR spectrum is around the rec2020 colorspace which is specifically 0-10000 nits so eyah

[raven parrot]

thats crazy wtf

[wet crane]

0-800 nits is real HDR too

what matters is the contrast

[raven parrot]

agreed

[wet crane]

for 1000 nits peak brightness you should use around 200 nits as the paper white brightness

[raven parrot]

thats the offical certification by vesa that it can go up to 1000nits for HDR content, after that it falls off ig lol

yeah i had an interesting search

on modern OLED 27inch monitors the peak brightness can be around 1200nits+ for QD and WOLED however for those panels its only DisplayHDR 400 certified

[wet crane]

https://nikitamgrimm.github.io/hlg-reference-white-calc/

you can use this webtool to calculate the "correct" paperwhite value

[raven parrot]

gna save all ur links so i can do it when im free lol

ty for that

[wet crane]

the sustained peak brightness is around 400 on those monitors

~360

paper white values are not set in stone though, you need to sacrifice highlight contrast if your room is very bright for example

[raven parrot]

would like to get a colorimeter to professional calibrate however the good ones are $5000

stick to the eyes for now

[wet crane]

I don't think that you need expensive tools

you can get very very good results with cheaper tools too

you need good software though

and calibrating a Samsung laptop screen is probably not easy

[raven parrot]

thankfully there are icc profiles from peopple who have calibrated the displays, disregarding panel lottery its better then factory

[wet crane]

meh idk, as long as pure white is not obviously tinted blue/green/red then it's "fine" I guess

[raven parrot]

ah but playing wuwa the userID is always visible

[raven parrot]

agreed

[wet crane]

you can turn off the userID with RenoDX

[raven parrot]

Praise the lord!

you got an OLED TV?

[wet crane]

yes

[raven parrot]

planning to get either S95F or LG G5, hard to decide cause i want an 83inch TV but the QD OLED displays only go up to 77inchs, :\

and i've heard bad things about samsung

's warranty

Better panel, worse customer service and warranty

[wet crane]

I wanted to get a G5 but idk, those dithering issues are apparently really bad, and I don't trust Samsung

so I'm waiting

[raven parrot]

dithering?

oh that

yeah its a biproduct of WOLED lol

[wet crane]

black dialogal lines across the screen

nah it's a dithering issue not all WOLED screens are affected

[raven parrot]

oh maybe not, thought that meant banding

[raven parrot]

whats ur pref size?

[wet crane]

QD-OLED is not without issues either, the tech is fundamentally broken

it can't be color accurate

[raven parrot]

thats a new for me tbh

[wet crane]

and the black level is all over the place

[raven parrot]

yeah it does suffer from raised black levels in lit rooms but its more color accurate then WOLED according to rtings

like way more color accurate

[wet crane]

the color accuracy changes "dynamically" haha

static scenes are accurate

or well can be accurate

[raven parrot]

thats a new fact for me

[wet crane]

the biggest your wall can "accept"

and your wallet

lol

[raven parrot]

might of just convinced me to buy G5

usuaolly cheaper too

[wet crane]

color accuracy changes with brightness afaik

[raven parrot]

here in australia recently had a deal for 4300AUD LG G5

100% bargin

83inc

[wet crane]

not bad

[raven parrot]

anyways im going bed, goodnight and nice chat!

[wet crane]

Definitely! good night!

[midnight tide]

I have the S95F and it's a fantastic TV

couldn't be better for me

it checks all the boxes

only dumb thing is the raised black level in extremely bright room which doesnt happen often

[wet crane]

I mean yea, don't ask display enthusiasts for advice, nothing is good enough for us lol

[sullen hawk]

thank you I shall test this out later!

[wet crane]

did they fix the colorspace issue?

It's probably not noticeable tbh

the G5's "dithering lines" issue is a bigger deal breaker for me

[midnight tide]

no I had it 2 days ago, I had to hard reboot my tv to get rid of it

they're still working on it apparently

[midnight tide]

Yup, I would call myself a tech enthusiasts overall more than a display guy tbf

[wet crane]

I'm still using my trusty old LG C1 lol

[verbal schooner]

been wanting to upgrade my c1 too, thinking about g5 or s95f come this black friday if there are decent deals