The Witcher 3

[tribal sable]

So probably won’t make a difference

[stark anvil]

I should see how gamut compression looks for SDR too

[slate forge]

I think one of the settings just reset without me realizing it so nevermind btw

[cold basin]

ill play around with it, anything specific i should look out for

[stark anvil]

Hard to say. Maybe just a scene or area/weather that looks wrong and looks far more normal if you move lut grading to 0.

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

should i move lut scaling slider at all or keep 100

[stark anvil]

Honestly doesn’t really matter much. It was a lot of effort for a comically low amount of gain

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

I’m just worried I fucked up the blending

[cold basin]

so far not seeing any issues with it

[stark anvil]

Oh idk if better vanilla even uses LUTs

[cold basin]

seems to

[stark anvil]

Okay

[cold basin]

going 0 lut grading defo changes it

looks less colorful in the area im in rn in skellige

right here

[stark anvil]

Thanks I’ll check it out

Oh I misread

[cold basin]

no everything is fine haha

[cold basin]

this island looks pretty cool heh

[stark anvil]

I might default lut scaling to 0 lol

honestly not too sure what to do. I think their sampling code itself might be raising the output from the LUTs

[cold basin]

what no i wouldnt do that i think

ah wait scaling

cant read

[stark anvil]

neither can I

okay time to see how hue correcting their grading code looks

[cold basin]

the previous versions were basically lut scaling 0 or

because it didnt have lut scaling

?

[stark anvil]

yes

w/o hue correction vs w/ hue correction

without the grading

hmmm I might be grabbing the color in the wrong spot lol

[tribal sable]

would just have to hue correct before and after the lerp from y

probably won't have a noticeable difference

[stark anvil]

I think I have it in the right spot then

[stark anvil]

yeah doesn't seem worth hue correction

[stark anvil]

has anybody here bothered figuring out sensible graphics settings? I haven't really bothered much, I just recall loads of people saying there were some wasted settings with ultra+ preset

got my game tuned where 16 GB of vram is simply not enough in some parts of the game and need to do something about it

[cold basin]

Hmm I only turn shadows and vegetation down 1 notch

Shadows still affect FPS with RT shadows

I think technically can put them to very low and almost looks the same

As long as you use RT shadows that is

[stark anvil]

will give that a shot and see how it works out

finally found one of the super pink candles

wait a sec, it's their saturation code that's pushing it pink 👀

time to try out hue correction again'

gah, gotta get up for a bit, will try later

[rose whale]

I wish I would be as motivated as you at work lol

[cold basin]

ayo

its not just candles though but Im intrigued

btw, do you know what is up with like the image changing sometimes to be way darker as if its like running lut builder(?) or something like that? often happens after conversations n cutscenes or loading screens. pressing the start menu often fixes it after a few seconds, often just does it on its own too. Bit random tbh @stark anvil

maybe i can record it but i assume youve seen it yourself already, would be surprising if you didnt

[stark anvil]

I’ve seen it. It’s a vanilla problem I think?

I suppose I should boot it up without the mod to be sure of that, I can’t really remember

I think it’s just different parameters for gameplay/cutscenes/weather states without a smooth transition though

Sometimes you just watch a lut pop into place and idk how it could be a Reno problem

[cold basin]

i havent played vanilla

well

actually i did

but i dont remember that being an issue before

maybe i have alzheimers though

[tribal sable]

there's the shader that blends between 2 different tonemaps

could have an error there potentially

[stark anvil]

I do feel like it’s happening more. Maybe i fucked something up when doing tonemap extrapolation

[plush ember]

I need opinion on this, could I improve something visually ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJQ6H3h8Ds

[stark anvil]

God I want to add better motion blur to this game so bad lol

(Watched Geralts foot move in the video)

[stark anvil]

didn't help

[stark anvil]

okay let's find out if I'm the cause of the sudden changes in tonemapping

no the game just does that

[slate forge]

I spent an hour+ in the elven ruin used in Wandering in the dark messing with some of this stuff (couple other areas I use as test areas as well). LUT Scaling 100% helps with the raised blacks in super low light situations. I'd imagine it'd be less noticeable with players using artificial player light.

I ended up defaulting to LUT grading strength at 0 for now though because in most of the cases I was testing it I didn't think the gains were worth the change in the way low light areas looked.

I havent' really seen any situations were the colors seem off.

[stark anvil]

The LUTs aren’t super heavy in this, but I do generally think they look nice. It definitely looks more natural without em though, which many will prefer.

[slate forge]

they help in some scenes for sure. I've been on a quest to make this game look as well lit as possible without artificial light so they might just have to be sacrificed.

Something about a way the game's LUT works doesn't look quite right at <one nit. I was having to use the Flare setting to make things look more natural but with when removing the LUT grading it becomes optional

[stark anvil]

I need to see if it makes sense to add a control for the toe of their tonemapper

[slate forge]

I assume you'd have to be in a dark room to even see the difference but hoepfully it is noticeable. (these are taken with a very low Flare setting as well which I forgot to turn off.)

They are labled but It should be 1.) LUT with 100% scaling, 2.) LUT but with no scaling. 3.) No LUT grading.

taken with the Reshade

The difference the scaling makes I think is still quite obvious, not sure the difference between the grading carries over as well in screens

[tall merlin]

i had a visual bug last night in novigrad where sun shafts were coming out of candles at night time and even while indoors

will post a screenshot soon

not sure if its related to reno or even just a base game bug but i dont have any mods that touch anything like that

[cold basin]

base game bloom bug

[tall merlin]

ahh thank you, i've never experienced it

til now

[stark anvil]

oh, I thought of a kinda obvious solution for shadow darkening

[cold basin]

found Jon in the game

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

alright yeah it seems like a great solution

one sec

[cold basin]

Jon cooking once again

[stark anvil]

I need to rethink how the sliders are organized in this mod

Or maybe not, might just need to move some things in/out of intermediate setting mode instead

that'll be a problem for nexus posting though

simply drop toe a bit and you can see

didn't need to fuck with the tonemapping parameters when I already had untonemapped midgray adjusted 🤷

maybe I should give them more intuitive names and put the terminology into the tooltip

Yeah I will

[cold basin]

found some new drip

i like this armor

uhh ill try, what is this supposed to improve? shadow detail in daytime?

[stark anvil]

any time

[cold basin]

lemme load it up and play with it, i just run 90ish tonemapping strength so far, that helped

[stark anvil]

one sec

[cold basin]

wha

[stark anvil]

• split tonemapping strength option into highlight and shadow sliders
• move some settings into the intermediate menu
• change warning messages and location

[cold basin]

kek

[stark anvil]

just saving you some trouble

[cold basin]

oge

was literally about to launch

what did u change

whys bro calling me out like that

woah

[stark anvil]

?

[cold basin]

works good

[stark anvil]

yeah, feel like ~75 is pretty good with RTGI

[cold basin]

heh funny, pretty much where i settled in that clip

ah ffs forgot that discord always brightens the vids

in vlc it looks correct

[stark anvil]

need to go into a cave and see if it's playable without a torch or cat

[cold basin]

yeah ill report back if i find any issues

for now this is much better than reducing the tonemapper strenght on prev builds

because highlights dont get affected

i like it

thank you

[stark anvil]

ye. visibility has been driving me nuts while playing

[cold basin]

ong

[stark anvil]

rtgi looks great but it's such a mixed bag

[cold basin]

100 vs 72

[stark anvil]

nah rtgi has bad enough overdarkening issues that it doesn't always help

[stark anvil]

that one building in the first little town in white orchard is still cooked lol

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

actual pitch black

nothing you can do about it other than fix rtgi itself

but most areas aren't that bad at least

[stark anvil]

the fuck, I found another saturation permutation

this game will perpetually give me things to do I swear to god

only seems to exist with vignette on, weird. Not the case for the other permutations

[cold basin]

bro lut scaling 0 looks so ass in some dark places kek and no thats not from the tonemapper shadow

Rec preset 0 lut scaling vs what im running atm

probably not perfect but im working on it
discord compression also dont do it any favor kek

[quiet sandal]

the amount of shit mfs need to fix Per Channel shittery

Jon, can you seperate flame shader drawing?

You could just run seperate processing to not get pink flames on that

[stark anvil]

tbf a lot of those are there just cause I think it's interesting to see which parts do what

[stark anvil]

pretty sure I tried already

[quiet sandal]

welp oof

I hoped on the HDR look button + Red text trend now as well

Will add shitposts to Endfield addon

Just have to since I said so

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

• add additional vignette permutation

worried there will be even more of them now

need to upload to nexus 😩

[atomic prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-to-let-go-anthony-mackie-takeshi-kovacs-altered-carbon-you-need-to-let-it-go-gif-17618767

@stark anvil

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

But the gains!

[rare scroll]

jon when the new dlc drops

[night yarrow]

@stark anvil call of duty games do target 2.4

saw this

So if we send code values to an SDR panel as sRGB, these values are actually interpreted and displayed using BT. 1886.

probably out of topic but i just reply here i guess

start from page 42

[tribal sable]

link thread

nvm found it

[spring crown]

This presentation is 8 years old and the recent games do match pow2.2

[night yarrow]

ive only checked bo6 and mw2019

both dont match sdr perfectly

which according to this presentation is intended

they do hdr first and tonemap the image to sdr afterwards

and Jon and that guy were discussing about infinite warfare

which is 2 year before that presentation

the old color pipeline mentioned there was exactly what they did in that game

[spring crown]

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/f183395f-a623-42ca-a721-72fdb37736b4
https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/0370a4ba-a813-4fe2-93ab-dc99e7227883

It's as good of a match as I've seen

[night yarrow]

there are some minor contrast difference

[spring crown]

Oh god

Who cares about "minor contrast diffrences"

[night yarrow]

also average brightness is like

2x

i dont believe its a match

[spring crown]

Of couse it is
ITS IN HDR

[night yarrow]

its a dark scene

i also dont think they would go back to the "sdr first" route

their hdr wasnt upgraded from hdr

dont think they will go backwards

[spring crown]

Highlights count towards the average too
And the UI skews the numbers

[night yarrow]

did you check another map though

[spring crown]

The histogram is an almost exact match

Dunno what else do you want

[night yarrow]

i mean

[spring crown]

Who said they did

[night yarrow]

Treyarch is always doing their custom stuff

im not actually sure about bo6

[spring crown]

Not anymore

[night yarrow]

but mw2019

definitely looks different in hdr

[night yarrow]

thats why i say not sure

[night yarrow]

theres actually a noticeable contrast difference on the left side of the image

but all of this dont really matter

we are not talking about current cod games

advanced warfare/infinite warfare/mw1re/mw2re

those 4 games share the exact same code in sdr (confirmed by the person who modded those games)

which is what mentioned in that presentation

[gusty silo]

My favorite witcher 3 topic, call of duty!

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

Kind of inseparable topics when you think about it

[unreal badge]

Human sacrifice if the Bridge-from-Witcher3-to4-DLC is named Calls of Duty.

But which calls will Ciri follow, and what should Geralt do about it? Find out playing!

[cold basin]

ahh ffs

goofy ass red reflection

[abstract tulip]

Skellige is all fun and games until your realize the amount of POIs it has and the percentage of them only accessible via a boat

[cold basin]

yeah i saw that... ive been avoiding the POI grind a little bit kek

fucking question marks every where

im already lvl 28 and im only at this point inthe main quest which is like 1/3rd lmao

still a lot to do ey

[tribal sable]

@stark anvil

I see you're doing per channel blow out and hue shifts after uncharted 2

you could just delay them to the end

so you don't get any hue clip

like apply them right before max ch tonemap

might help with the pink candle

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

I do it this way because the game looked better by dynamically adjusting the peak target with what the game was doing normally

I can’t do that outside of uncharted2 until we can cache cbuffer values for use in later shaders

[tall merlin]

in crookback bog i get an issue with the latest version where the exposure? drastically changes and the image obscenely over brightens if i look up slightly too much. doesnt happen on the version you reworked bloom on, released on the 27th (that was what i was using prior) not using any lighting mods and it doesnt happen with the bloom rework one so im not rly sure why

i tested in novigrad and it wasnt happening at least

[stark anvil]

Maybe you found the third grading shader!

I’ll test there and try to replicate

[tall merlin]

if you cant replicate let me know if i can help

[stark anvil]

Try the build before I added lut scaling

Here

[tall merlin]

testing rn

doesnt happen

[stark anvil]

Alright it’s gotta be that then, must have done the math wrong

[stark anvil]

But yeah it feels like cdpr was using uncharted2 like grading and not tonemapping

Their shit makes no sense

Also I did originally set it up as you said, pink candle was still a problem unless you set it basically to just raw SDR.

[cold basin]

lets hope witcher 4 wont be this cooked lmao

but since its UE5 it probably wont suck that much

[stark anvil]

I’m getting the sense it was a bit of the Wild West back then

[cold basin]

i think cp77 isnt nearly as cooked is it

[stark anvil]

Not sure

[cold basin]

hopefully theyve learned

[stark anvil]

I mean I think they used tonemapping as proper tonemapping at least

[tribal sable]

do you need to dynamically adjust the hue shifts or just the blowout

[unreal badge]

My Witcher 3 troubles of "gotta catch 'em all" have basically disappeared thanks to mods. You can take a look at

• True Exploration - No pre-discovered map markers (edited so that boats are always visible on map)
• Point of Interest Reveal

[cold basin]

If I do a run in the future I will probably use something like that

For now where I wanna do a 100% run I don’t mind too much

[unreal badge]

True Exploration gives me such piece of mind.

[cold basin]

Yeah I bet hehe

Wonder how they will go about it in W4

Witcher 3 is great, but I’m not too fond of for example it showing basically everything to you for quests etc and they aren’t really made in a way that you could play it without those indicators due to often not having good descriptions of where something is located.

[unreal badge]

Hmm, yeah, I can't really imagine navigation without any indicator. What also helped me, the goal markers stay, but I disable the way to the goal displayed on the minimap. So I often open the main map in order to see whether I should go left or right around some mountains, but then the rest of the way I "find my own tracks" instead of going more or less excatly the way that the way navigation line would show.

[stark anvil]

You know, I hadn’t considered separating it like that. Maybe just hue since the blowout would be largely driven by clip in SDR anyway.

[cold basin]

they aint even tryna hide it kek

[rose whale]

Gotta be Twins

I encountered an issue where the exposure changed depending on where the camera was facing too. I'm not sure if this is region-specific, but it happened in Novigrad, where I was standing between a shaded and a sunny area.

Can post a video if needed

[cold basin]

i think its just the game tbh

[proper valve]

the timing of this lol. I was thinking of playing the metro games for the first time lol

[cold basin]

what timing

that was written 2 weeks ago

[stark anvil]

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

what time of day/weather condition was this?

[tall merlin]

it was 2pm iirc

around 1-3pm but im pretty confident was 2pm clear day

very sunny

however i recall waiting to 7am and it still happenin

[stark anvil]

remember which part of the bog you were in by any chance?

[tall merlin]

i was by the sign

[stark anvil]

like near the orphanage?

[tall merlin]

facing where the kids play

yea

sorry i shouldve been clearer

[stark anvil]

it's not happening for me 😩

[tall merlin]

shit, is there anything i can do to help when i get on my pc later

[stark anvil]

you could send the save just to be extra safe

[tall merlin]

will do, i dont see any mods i have that could cause this either. the only lighting related mods i use are cozy fires and no artificial player light and this doesnt happen with the prior builds so

[stark anvil]

might just be a confluence of conditions making this shader load

[slate forge]

keeping the map to default and finding the POI's naturally makes for a better experience, imo

[cold basin]

yeah i suppose

[tall merlin]

@stark anvil just went back to the save with the version that causes it and it was still happening so here u go

doubt u need save photo but im sending it anyway

[stark anvil]

thanks

[tall merlin]

good luck 🫡

[stark anvil]

still not happening

what mod and in-game settings?

(afaik the only relevant in-game setting is vignette I guess)

[tall merlin]

tried with and without vignette on in settings, let me send my settings rq

also tested like every slider on reno

[stark anvil]

just so I know for sure what I'm looking for, could you post a screenshot of it looking wrong?

[tall merlin]

rt is maxed out, no sharpening in game

i can yea

recording a video is definitely a better move though

this is pretty much what is going on, its wihin my displays brightness range but it jumps from dimmer to bright af moving my camera like barely up at all

if i go past a threshhold of looking up too much

doesnt happen at all with the bloom rework version, its super jarring and immediately noticeable and its not like im staring at the sky, its like barely looking up does it

my modlist if u want to see it, i havent tested without mods but maybe something is conflicting?

https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/8865 also using

[stark anvil]

@cold basin apparently that hard transition in exposure from cutscenes to gameplay was from this, if you used it https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/11144

fixed now

(going through my mods to see if anything I'm doing coujld be causing problems and updating things lol)

[tall merlin]

didnt even know that mod existed

gonna have to download

[stark anvil]

look through all of scoutbr0s mods

dude is the GOAT

[tall merlin]

yea i have a couple from him. insanely high quality

ill have to go thru 1 by 1

[stark anvil]

he's got loads of good fixes

I'm seeing the issue now

I think it might have been one of my mods making this shader not load

it's a transitional one iirc

lemme fix it

I've clearly done something wrong but I keep going over it and it seems logically right

[night yarrow]

worse

[stark anvil]

oh I see what I did wrong, annoying

[night yarrow]

cp2077 did more nonsense

its double aces in hdr

[cold basin]

uh no i do not have this installed

only things i have in regards to RT are ini tweaks

some is rt some is shadow pop-in stuff

[stark anvil]

okay got the bug fixed

[cold basin]

oh?

[stark anvil]

talking about the grading bug

[cold basin]

the transition after dialogue /cutscenes?

pog

[stark anvil]

no the one that guy mentioned lol

[cold basin]

oh that

[stark anvil]

well, actually that may be the same bug

not sure

[cold basin]

hm

ive not had the thing he described

[stark anvil]

me having a modded game too is not exactly the best for dev

[cold basin]

yeah...

aint no one playing vanilla though

[stark anvil]

I'm 99% sure it was a bug created by other mods

artifical lights also did it I think

[cold basin]

could be

i have artificial player lights off for gameplay

only in cutscenes

[cold basin]

what were you talking about here then?

[stark anvil]

check if you have updates

my problem is gone now

the problem where the transition was stark was caused by mods doing something that prevented the transitional grading shader from running

so it just hard swapped

[cold basin]

wait im fucking dumb

[stark anvil]

updated my mods, now I get that shader permutation showing up

[cold basin]

the modlists im running has that water reflection fix

https://tenor.com/view/brainlet-gif-1882111103900793681

[stark anvil]

(which then showed that I broke that same shader in a different way lmao)

[stark anvil]

the updated version also has a new requirement btw

[cold basin]

aw fuck

[stark anvil]

https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/2110?tab=files

I'll post a build in a sec so reno isn't griefing

[cold basin]

i dont know if i can install that without issue

[stark anvil]

you might already have mods using it to begin with

[cold basin]

nop

or well

[stark anvil]

promotional lighting got a 2.0 release, might have to check that out

better vanilla also got an update

[cold basin]

the artificial player lights does now

but not the version i have installed

[stark anvil]

• fix transitional grading shader (weird exposure issue)

@tall merlin

[tall merlin]

ty goat

[cold basin]

ok no script errors with the shared imports installed

guess i can update the reflection fix

ok, updated.. lets see if its actually fixed

gonna update reno as well i guess even though i dont have that other issue

[stark anvil]

you will now that you updated that mod

we just had the same mod storm that hid the issue

[cold basin]

ah okay wtf

so updating rt water fixes the lut thing after cutscenes, but that update comes with that exposure issue you fixed in reno

[stark anvil]

yeah the shader I fucked up was just not ever showing up so I never realized I fucked it up

when I said this lol

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

road to 1000h

only half the achievements so far

guess itll easily beat my most played Singeplayer game with skyrim at 520h

[rose whale]

I am probably over 1k in Skyrim if I count every version of it lol

[abstract tulip]

Fixed harsh transitions between Env Areas/Zones

oh damn, he fixed the issue

reinstalling

[stark anvil]

That issue was new with 3.4.0

Other mods were creating the problem before that

And if you still use those same old mod versions, this update won’t change anything

[abstract tulip]

ight, I'll update it

[stark anvil]

I always come back to vanilla weather

HDR makes some of the shortcuts taken in the weather mods more obvious too

[abstract tulip]

yeah I don't even bother trying out new LMs anymore

I think it still, overall, looks the most consistent in every region, in any TOD/weather

[tall merlin]

i agree

[unreal badge]

Shared Imports? You can, pretty much guaranteed.

At least one of the most fantastic mods requires/comes with it it as well; probably more. It's fine to wait for after your first playthrough, though. But then check out Random Encounters Reworked (RER).

[rose whale]

How demanding is hulk hogens next gen texture mod?

[slate forge]

I retuned the Denoiser. Biggest change is that the game reacts to changes in light MUCH faster (turning off and on a torch in low-light situations no longer looks awkward). Still tweaking but if anyone wants to test it here is its:
I'm actually shocked that something like this isn't just a standard mod on mid-high end systems already. From what I can tell it make a big difference

[cold basin]

Then I’m far over that as well

I played an ungodly amount

Xbox 360 about 700h

[rose whale]

So you are a person of culture I see

[cold basin]

PC Legacy Version should be about… 8-900h..

But I played that as a 12-15 year old

I had unlimited free time

And motivation

Im surprised I’ve not quit Witcher 3, I usually have a really hard time these days to stay committed to a game this long

I mean this playthrough I started on nov 30th or so

[rose whale]

Same but i just blame the quality of games these days

Hope its not because I got older as well and loosing interest

Just blame the devs

[cold basin]

Yeah I guess that’s what is keeping me playing Witcher so far

Most of the content I’ve played was good

Just few quests where I was like man they could’ve written that better or whatever

[rose whale]

Indeed

[unreal badge]

There are a bunch of ini tweaks on Nexus, sometimes claiming the wildest things, but most suffer from lack of explanations and updates and responses to questions and comments and such. Maybe some of them are good, but definitely some are nonsense. Good luck!

[cold basin]

I’ll take a look, that definitely annoys me

[slate forge]

For sure. This one I just posted 100% improves the game reacts to light. When you turn the torch off the light no longer awkwardly hangs around a second or so

[cold basin]

Putting away a torch takes like 15 seconds to fully update the lighting

Like if you’re in a cave

[slate forge]

Yeah it's always annoyed me which is why I started to look into it, so far this difference is night and day better

[cold basin]

Neat

Will try in 20mins or so

[slate forge]

My only concern would be that it is taxing on lower end-systems or something but I kinda doubt it anyways.

[unreal badge]

I would say no, but depends if your system is already on its limits without it? Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.

The modification has only little impact on performance, the game should run similar as before mod installation. If you play on Ultra+ textures, video card memory demand will be higher.

[cold basin]

4090 should be able to handle it

[slate forge]

I noticed no performance change

[cold basin]

Texture mods in general are identical perf

As long as you have sufficient vram

[unreal badge]

will try! I think I know what you describe, though it has not bothered me, it's probably one of those things you can't unsee once you've realized it doesn't have to be that way. xD

[slate forge]

Hogans mod runs fine on my 4090, but the "Preallocated Buffer Size Boost" did help fix some texture weirdness I was getting with Hogan's mod

[unreal badge]

is that the mod recently released? it sounded good

[slate forge]

Yeah I play without the artificial player light as well so I think that exacerbates the problem.

The denoiser change is one I literally just made last night when deep diving into the DX12 settings to find potential improvements. Posted here since It's people actively playing who want to improve the look of the game

[unreal badge]

me too (Artificial Light off). Ah yes. The buffer thing is the recent mod. Where does your ini file go, the usual spot? The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt GOTY*bin\config\platform\pc* ?

[stark anvil]

Yeah that’s the big selling point of this game. Theres slop content like places of power and guarded treasure with nothing of value but for the most part the content feels extremely worthwhile.

Almost all dialogue contributes meaningfully to the world

[slate forge]

ususally spot, yes

[unreal badge]

for the others, Preallocated Buffer Size Boost (PBSB) just one ini line, but apparently not just snake oil

I use a bunch of ini tweaks but none that touch those sections you do.

I probably ought to comment some of these files while I still have a chance of figuring out where they're from or what they're supposed to do XD

[rose whale]

5070 ti / i9 14900k it is

I guess I should be fine

Maybe I should also take a look at rt improved reflections and shadows as well when I am at it

[cold basin]

is there any point setting it to say 512 for example

mine was 38 by default, would be cool if it actually does improve stability because i did have a few crashes

[unreal badge]

apparently, though I just took 512 "because" XD

[slate forge]

If you do (that mod does improve the reflections overall) set "RtRadianceScreenTraceZThreshold=0.0005" Or something small like that instead of zero. putting it at zero causes the game to disregard essentially all screen space info (which the system was designed around) and can cause certain cases of reflections to be lit differently. "0.0005" seemingly solves the problem that putting it at "0" was trying to fix but while keeping some valuable screen space info.

[unreal badge]

took me a while to test, my safe was a conversation right before a fight I died 3 times in. Testing again without your denoise now...

*save?

[cold basin]

same

btw i randomly found this in the rendering ini in bin config base, could maybe help with the RTAO being so dark

im too lazy to figure it out though

[slate forge]

I have it set to 1, based only on a RTAO mod I got off nexus though. I've liked the way my game has looked in that regard and never changed it in 6+ months so I suppose it at least doesn't hurt

[cold basin]

interesting

wait theres 2 values though

[slate forge]

that's the mod I used (only tweaked it a little myself afaik)

[cold basin]

hmmge

i may mess with it at some point

kinda dont wanna break anything though

im happy with my settings atm

[slate forge]

Not sure I'd bother then, but if anything the change is subtle as with many RTX tweaks in this game honestly

[slate forge]

LMK how you end up liking the denoiser tweak once you get the chance to fully try it out. Biggest difference I've noticed was turning off and one torches or flames in caves or stuff like that.

[unreal badge]

Was testing in the cave at the end of Rose on a Red Field.
The mod Cozy RTX Fires can interfere and reduce the gains from your tweaks. Its main setting modifies "Direct Light Strenght", and as soon as I put that above vanilla default value, the light starts to linger around again for longer. At vanilla value or 0, your ini is instantaneous and a great effect.

[slate forge]

ahh, Yeah I do use slightly below the vanilla value for Direct lighting currently so that makes sense. Good insight. Not sure I'd be able to make it so it is strong enough to accoutn for the "Cozy" increase. I could try though. Glad it made the noticeable change at vanilla values.

[unreal badge]

That setting is described as

Direct Light Strength - Sets the ray intensity of direct lights from most lightsources in the game

[slate forge]

I used that mod for a bit as well but found that it did make some scenes too "red" as well so I tuned it back and switched to a slight increase in lightculling range instead

[stark anvil]

I stopped using rtx fires and just tweaked my own

I should probably look at more parameters though

[unreal badge]

I was very confused because I am currently using new VGX Lighting mod, and author wrote he uses what seem at first to me crazy high settings 21 for direct light strenght and 3 for additive lights, so I am very torn and can't yet settle on anything for long. With other lighting mods, to me only cozy or at most cozier preset looked "good" to me.

That's what I get for changing more than 1 setting at the same time. Suddenly your effect seemed gone, hehe.

[slate forge]

So yeah, I'd say both of those are too high (especially direct lighting) Additive lighting at 2-3 looks amazing in some scenes, but will cause light bleed and other weird reflections in other situations. I've spent way too much time experimenting with these settings hoenstly.

pretty much all of them have a tradeoff somewhere

[unreal badge]

I especially dislike how Geralt's face or hair can look with higher direct light. Gotta find some other way. What/where's this light culling?

[slate forge]

one sec

[unreal badge]

because the issue that Cozy adresses is an issue 😭 damn game

[slate forge]

[RTXGI]
LightCullingDistanceTweakCoef=1.5

[unreal badge]

else I'll just see if I like the VGX at lower cozy setting

[slate forge]

that's about as high as you can go without causing issues with some reflections and stuff like that

Culling at something like 2.4/2.5 looks incredible indoors imo, but causes other issues in other areas (- reflections and some bleed, but they aren't gamebreaking at all so some people would find that setting to be worth it i'd imagine)

[stark anvil]

there's also this https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/11250

weather mod agnostic tweaks for probe placements and whatnot

[heady dune]

this is only if you don't use RT

[stark anvil]

ah RIP

wondered why the screenshots looked very SSAO lol

[heady dune]

I don't know why the author doesn't clarify that in the mod description.

[unreal badge]

seems to do something! thanks, experiments later. now gotta get on my phone, "just one more test I'll call back" was over 10 minutes ago

[cold basin]

ah well rip i use like direct lighting strenght 5

[unreal badge]

Try it, I think at 5 (Cozy preset) Nick's tweaks might still shorten the lingering noticeably, considering to run with that for a while. If the culling also helps to bring some more light back, that would be fantastic.

[slate forge]

Yeah, I'd imagine if nothing else the denoiser tweak won't hurt but just might not be the almost instant on/off you get if you are at default direct lighting

[cold basin]

kk will try

[weary socket]

Has anyone tried combining any lighting overhauls with HDR and RenoDX? I've been eyeing that VGX Lighting Mod but I dunno, it somehow looks super desaturated and low contrast for me when combined with Reno 🤔 Maybe someone here tried some other overhaul and can point me to something better too

[cold basin]

theres not a single weather mod made with renodx and proper hdr in mind

so none will look as intended most likely

it could still look good with some ofc

[unreal badge]

You've a bunch of options. Mostly it depends on your taste. I'm really bad at getting good shots, but took some earlier when testing. This is with the new VGX.

[cold basin]

but ive not tried it

i only use better vanilla lighting

which jon uses as well when working on the mod afaik

[unreal badge]

Seems fine to me in that cave now in this combination.

• Artificial Player Lights: gameplay lights off
• Cozy RTX Fires: Cozy preset = Direct Light Strength 5 or maybe something between default and 5
• also in Cozy: Additive Lighting Amount depending on the lighting mod I alternate between default and 0, needs more playing to figure out which I like to keep for VGX lighting, currently 0
• Nick ini for less lingering
• plus added to his ini that [RTXGI]
  LightCullingDistanceTweakCoef=1.5

(all with latest Reno from this channel and Recommended preset.)

[cold basin]

what this do LightCullingDistanceTweakCoef=1.5

[weary socket]

this one, correct? https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/7821

[unreal badge]

it's still pretty dark with these settings, but I hope it will work out elsewhere too and be fine overall.

[cold basin]

yessir

a proper weather and lighting mod with reno in mind would be sick ofc, but doubt that any of the modders that make these kinds of mods care about hdr

[unreal badge]

Nick posted this earlier as an potential alternative to direct light strength that Cozy Fires uses.

[weary socket]

Thanks a lot guys, I'll probably settle for that better vanilla lighting 🤔

[unreal badge]

here, invictus

[cold basin]

[unreal badge]

• Better Vanilla is great
• same author has also just updated Promotional Atmosphere Lighting Mod, also great, but might also go in the direction too desatured possibly for your taste, been a while since I played previous version, but there's many screenshots on Nexus
• VGX you already saw on Nexus
• follow https://www.youtube.com/@TheWhiteWolf_7Kz his main project looks stunning, not yet released though. He does so many videos I need to search which is about his main one, haha

then there are a whole bunch of lighting mods on some Discords, usually when they're based on somebody else's work who might no longer be active in Witcher 3 and not reachable anymore and so not ideal to release public on Nexus, a bit chaotic but for many different tastes

[cold basin]

shits so confusing man

[stark anvil]

I use it on and off. I try to do vanilla when working on the mod. Though tbh I think I’m back to simply preferring vanilla lol.

[cold basin]

well better vanilla isnt too different is it

[stark anvil]

Depends where you are

[cold basin]

okay

[stark anvil]

In general it’s more desaturated, which I don’t think is actually super beneficial now that it’s not hue clipped aggressively.

[cold basin]

i just got to kaer morhen at lvl 29

i technically still have a few quests to do in skellige and a bunch of POI's

[stark anvil]

Better vanilla seems to make the sun more dim lol

[cold basin]

• i should be able to do HoS expansion now

[unreal badge]

Kaer Morhen is pretty small compared to the rest of the game. Maybe similar to White Orchard?

[cold basin]

yeah i saw

i mean makes sense, not really any people to do quests for n stuff

im really looking forward to toussaint, the screenshots ive seen looked so cool

[stark anvil]

But in theory any weather mod will work correctly with renodx. You can use the purist preset to see the weather mods almost entirely as intended. Just know that highlights could suffer depending on choices the mod author makes.

[cold basin]

but yeah kinda funny that i have done all Contracts already before even getting that Necromancer main story achievement lmao

[stark anvil]

@weary socket

Could also set the tonemapper to vanilla to know you’re looking at it right (not recommended for playing really lol)

Though I did setup vanilla to work with sliders and whatnot lol

[weary socket]

Thank you for the answer!

I did setup that vanilla enhanced lighting mod and it looks fine, plus makes clouds look much better from the few minutes that I spent looking around

[unreal badge]

White Wolf has so many videos, this one is the project I'm looking forward to. https://youtu.be/XyIlO0tHu5s?si=ubLA0ufb0PyKBcWL

[stark anvil]

I still have gripes with better vanilla. I don’t like how novigrad looks particularly in the countryside. Torches can also look strange sometimes, and sun brightness can be odd (but the game struggles with that in general I guess).

[stark anvil]

I don’t get the fixation on the E3 look still being such a thing all these years later lol

[cold basin]

im just seeing the first 20 seconds of it

shit looks awful

why would anyone want it like that

xd

maybe its because of no RT i unno

[weary socket]

subjective taste, previous games looked less colorful/more gritty than what default W3 looks like

[cold basin]

also like foreground all colorful like this and then back ground just blue

???

peak ong fr

[unreal badge]

that's my least fav part too. but the swamps!!

XD

[cold basin]

im just quick to find inconsistency issues like that i guess

those bother me so hard

like maybe kaer morhen could look a lot better with some lighting mod, but atleast its looking very consistent even in the distance

which is why i like it

[unreal badge]

ah, you just don't understand the spirit of the lighting mod mentality. Dunno how to describe it. This might be a small insight. You should see the amount of acronyms thrown around sometimes, you need to study their lineages and trace them back. Wait until you get to Toussaint's candles!! ;-P

[slate forge]

Did some more testing and tweaking. This seems to be more fleshed out and handles ghosting/noise better in the few very low lit scenes that it was occurring during testing. Difference probably won't even be noticale outside of those edge cases though

[rugged nest]

Does this have any perf hit

[rugged nest]

Does this have a big perf impact?

(srry but im tight on perf in this game as you can imagine xDD)

[slate forge]

Testing more now, also may have intoduced a bug in reflections with that version so I deleted for now.

[cold basin]

@slate forge do you have a clue what i can do to fix geralts armor appearing giga red in reflections?

i have the ini tweaks from the ray bleach mod

but doesnt seem to fix everythign just some

[cold basin]

as seen here

[slate forge]

usually that only happens on dyable armor. You can replace the dyable armor with non-dyable 4k variants to get rid of the issue, but you have to sacrifice the ability to dye thos armors

that's what I did

[cold basin]

Mine is dyable yeah

It’s the ursine Witcher armor

Found it few days ago, really like it

[slate forge]

This .ini should be fixed - some of the specular denoising settings were causing artifacts so I just removed them and it seems normal now but with the same benifits

[cold basin]

Noice

Im using the first version you posted rn

[slate forge]

yeah, it's one of my favorites too. Only real fix is to get a non-dyable version on nexus

[cold basin]

Works well even with cozy fires

[cold basin]

Maybe I can find something I like..

[slate forge]

if you like that one no real reason to switch tbh, I just tried to eliminate ghosting and noise in extreme cases

[cold basin]

okey

i mean could still happen that i run into issues, just havent seen anything yet

[slate forge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/4734

that's what I used iirc

[cold basin]

hm

i like most of these changes

except the ursine xd

i use ursine with black dye rn

looks sick

maybe i have to live with the gray brown one

[slate forge]

yeah it's tough, one of the only downsides to the game are those annoying little bugs they just never fixed in the next-gen version

maybe if the rumors of an expansion for this year are true they will actually take the time to fic or imrove most of that stuff

[cold basin]

doubt it tbh

afaik its not even cdpr making it right

that other studio that also does the witcher 1 remake

forgor the name

so i bet they just add the content but there wont be any technical improvements

Fools Theory

was the name

ah well i will just use the mod u put in

the other retextures i can find are trash

letsgoo that worked

thanks

[unreal badge]

OFG's Retexed Bear Armors uses the 4k texture mod as base too (+ half a dozen other mods). Images in file section, not in images.

[heady dune]

Benis is making a new LM!

[unreal badge]

thanks for sharing

[heady dune]

W4 lighting based

[cold basin]

oh shit i like that color scheme

ah its called bear armor

i was just looking for ursine on nexus

thanks i guess ill switch to that, i like that more

[unreal badge]

Witcher armor mods you can run 2 searches. bear/ursine; cat/feline; manticore/red wolf; wolf?wolven; gryphon is also spellllled in all kind of ways

[cold basin]

in the witcher 3 mod folder

what mod has higher prio?

further up or down

when sorted by name

or how does it to the order

xd

[unreal badge]

it's almost, but not exactly, windows sort order alphabetically. A beats B. The part that differs I gotta look up, something about numbers or underlines or such

[cold basin]

yeah i imagined as much, with the mod list im running theres a bunch of mods with 0's to keep them higher up

xd

[unreal badge]

yep

Lewis did a summary half a year ago after new discoveries by I think 2 other mod devs, should be this from Wolven Workshop Discord.

[slate forge]

Sadly that's probably true, but glad the fix worked for you 👍

[unreal badge]

Jon, for April Fools release RenoDX update with additional presets.

• E3 2013
• book-accurate preset
• E3 2014
• Witcher 4
• Henry Cavil
• VGX [some year goes here]
• et cetera
  🙂

[tall merlin]

this is really cool, thanks for sharing

[tall merlin]

anyone tested dlss 4.5 in witcher 3 yet?

skimmed through the LTT video to see some screenshots

[unreal badge]

Afraid I went off too much into general modding topics, will try to tone it down a bit, this is RenoDX channel.
(But I love how WhiteWolf startet out making videos about other peoples' mods, then tweaked and remixed them, and at some point over the years "suddenly" he's become an authority of his own, advising other devs on what works and how and creating his own visions now. Faith in humanity 🆙)

[unreal badge]

AMD card. XD

[tall merlin]

what gpu u got?

[unreal badge]

Radeon RX 7900 XTX

[cold basin]

seems good, damn sharp even at dlss balanced

[tall merlin]

have u tested int8 fsr thing yet?

@unreal badge

sorry to be off topic but

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[tall merlin]

i dont have an amd gpu but its meant to be a better version of fsr for gpus that dont have fsr4. sort of akin to how xess works i guess but less so just enabling it, think u have to go set it up

[tall merlin]

yea ima have to turn rcas off or down a lot

[cold basin]

i have it completely disabled now

even at 0.10 its too much

[tall merlin]

got to the first point in the story that i was like wtf is this writing last night, when u meet triss

hopefully the rest of the game isnt like that

[tall merlin]

i figured it would be yea

gotta figure out if i should use L or M

people are saying they like L a lot more even at higher input resolutions

[night yarrow]

L is heavier

[tall merlin]

gonna use M then

gpu is overheating and i cant do anything about it until my ptm comes in so i have to play low input resolution w dlsstweaks for a bit

this update is lifesaving in that regard though

[unreal badge]

Don't know what that is. Will search.
Generally I'm very happy with FSR just for AA in Witcher 3. no upscaling or frame generation, prefer it to vanilla XESS and I don't need to jump through hoops with DLSAA enabler and all that stuff, think it had its own new drawbacks when I tried it last.

I can just about run game at enough FPS to be still playable (to me), though from yesterday AMD claims I had only like 37 FPS which probably is unusable to anybody else.

[tall merlin]

i explained it here

i play at a pretty low input fps and resolution before upscaling and framegen atm so dw its ok. better than not having upscaling or framegen

saw a couple people on the hellsite praising it. no idea how good it is, just thought id suggest it to you. hardware unboxed has a video reviewing it

[unreal badge]

OK, hooked, project for today

Hm. From that video, it claims that the game to use this DLL in already need to support FSR 3.1. And while I dunno which FSR version Witcher 3 comes with, it does not allow frame-gen, merely FSR for AA. That then might mean one would need to setup that "unlock DLSR even though you have AMD gpu that will actually use FSR instead" with that leaked FSR4 dll? Hmmmm.

Ah. Optiscaler. Time to join more Discord servers...

[night yarrow]

preset L looks great in this game

[tall merlin]

i was about to say, maybe optiscaler?

then u updated it lol

[unreal badge]

rabbit hole jump https://github.com/optiscaler/OptiScaler/wiki/The-Witcher-3-Wild-Hunt

[tall merlin]

yeah this is an insane difference from K

wow

im running L rn

[cold basin]

I feel like even K looked good with new DLSS version

[tall merlin]

the problem areas for me with K are gone in this game

branches of trees would never stop shimmering for me

no matter the input resolution

[cold basin]

I have that still

The branches I mean

[night yarrow]

rtao related

transformer has issue with rtao on foliage

so it sucks in UE5

[cold basin]

Or wait maybe we are talking about different things

Can you guys try K with new DLL? I genuinely can’t tell whether or not it’s Transformer 1 or 2

[tall merlin]

ohh i thought u meant the last dlss version when u said K. idk why i forgot K is still main preset in this game

[cold basin]

I tried with screenshots and I couldn’t tell, but I was told K would use the old model… I’m
Not so sure if it does

[tall merlin]

or in general sorry

not in this game

[cold basin]

That would tell me that J and K don’t use the new one

[tall merlin]

im running my game at a relatively low resolution rn but im gonna test M

it does seem to use the new one

its the default preset for higher quality it seems

[cold basin]

Im confused

[night yarrow]

probably stick with M

[cold basin]

Yeah but they could just have done that for performance reasons

[night yarrow]

L is too demanding

[tall merlin]

that is true, id have to test side by side

which i will do later

[night yarrow]

and i cant tell the difference between M and L

at quality

[tall merlin]

yea i think ill run M then

ty

[night yarrow]

also dont run M or L with DLAA

you get 2/3 the performace

[tall merlin]

damn

M looks good too

had to turn off rcas completely too

[cold basin]

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-591-74-whql-driver.458947/page-3

Keep reading here in that thread that K is updated too

[cold basin]

nvm, K is definitely still Transformer 1

[night pond]

Agreed, Transformer model preset K is amazing

I think L and M look over sharpened to me atm and the performance hit is brutal if you don’t have a 40 and 50 series card

[cold basin]

It’s same as before

Kek

I just showed it

[night pond]

I have a 4080 and it’s still a noticeable hit

[cold basin]

.

[tall merlin]

i dont notice much of a hit from preset m, it seems more so when im using framegen

on a 4080

[night pond]

Yeah k is solid

[tall merlin]

is k even actually transformer 2 tho

@cold basin seems to think it is not

given the artifacts he had on old k are still there but fixed with m or l

or w.e

[cold basin]

I proved it’s not

The artifacts aren’t there on M

[tall merlin]

ya thats what im saying

strange

[cold basin]

#💬lounge message

Showed it here

[tall merlin]

saw that earlier

[night pond]

I know for a fact model J and K had issues with disocclusion artifacting (I found them most apparent in Kaer Morhen with all the foliage and shadows).

I might have to test model M in those scenarios because I reckon they’d clear them up

[cold basin]

Should

[stark anvil]

Excited to try DLSS stuff out today lol

[rose whale]

Wait dlss 4.5 is out for us?

Same cant wait

So which preset is basically the new K?

K was the best imo

[night yarrow]

K is obsolete

[rose whale]

Really? I hope for a more performant version ?

And wth is happening to the lighting in LTTS video. Its like night and day difference

[night yarrow]

M is superior

5% slower

[rose whale]

So M is the new best one for best PQ

[night yarrow]

in this game yes

[rose whale]

The lighting

[tall merlin]

found a couple places so far in witcher 3 where M has looked noticeably worse, but overall it looks better

[unreal badge]

Doubled my framerate. Oxenfurt from 40-ish to 80 or more; Novigrad to still around 70 or more

• OptiScaler with...
• FSR4 DLL add...
• Nukem's dlssg-to-fsr3

If no problems will occur while actually playing, this is a fantastic improvement. Thanks!

the frame gen method I tried previously was something other than OptiScaler, I didn't like that one. DLSS enabler or somerthing like that, it wasn't to my liking somehow.

[tall merlin]

Need to test optiscaler

still havent used it

[unreal badge]

possibly that I would lose V-Sync and friends was what bothered me before. But I can just turn it on via OptiScaler in its gui. Wheeeee. I value non-tearing images over non-shimmering chainmail (thanks to AA) and over HDR.

[tall merlin]

Not playing in vrr?

[unreal badge]

this is my second monitor with FreeSync Premium Pro, can't go back to teared images.

[tall merlin]

M and L have a lot more aliasing in this game, its really bad in some areas, to the point im considering going back to K on the last dll. i just tested both and K from the prior dll is so much more stable in some areas

its a shame because a lot of the improvements are great

didnt test K on the new dll yet

seems like its unchanged but i wanted a direct comparison with what i was using prior

gonna stay on prior dll K for now

the aliasing was actually ridiculous in some areas with L and M

[spring crown]

#1165308683090137160 message

[stark anvil]

dang preset m finally makes the foliage in tw3 look kinda solid in motion

there s something about the sharpness that is a bit off putting. Doesn't look natural. Kinda looks like it's trying to maintain the same sharpness of AA off which, in modern games, is just not how they're designed to look

like AA off in next gen tw3 even just does not look like it used to look in the old gen version

maybe a mip bias thing idk

(all this is at 3440x1440 output res, testing both qualty and balanced modes)

[tall merlin]

its failing to do AA in a lot of areas

went to the dreamer lady after meeting triss and that room is absolutely filled with shit that is aliasing on M or L but not K

[stark anvil]

maybe fxaa on top looks solid lol

[tall merlin]

almost every object

the volumetrics and foliage issues are so much better though

such a shame

[tall merlin]

true

[night yarrow]

ya thats how the new presets look

they try to emulated the look without taa now i think

[night yarrow]

because its too sharp that exposes the specular aliasing a lot

[stark anvil]

something about this just isn't lookng right to me. preset k looked pretty much exactly how I wanted other than foliage/ghosting

[spring crown]

I feel like it was trained on the sharpened footage
I can see what looks like a mild ringing here and there

All edges are very high contrast now

[stark anvil]

yeah I kinda feel like ringing is happening on grass

[night yarrow]

it doesnt look like a "traditional" oversharpened image though

personally i do like it in tw3

not in other games

[spring crown]

It looks like AI sharpening like those recent Cameron 4ks

[night yarrow]

because it is ?

[spring crown]

But not as strong

[night yarrow]

technically

[stark anvil]

I think logistically it kinda is that, but I think to some extent that's how all dlss models work.

[night yarrow]

i still think its better than K

[stark anvil]

either you're averaging the pixels together or you're doing something else to try to blend them smarter

[night yarrow]

if i have to choose one ill choose M

[spring crown]

This is why I think sharpening was in the data source

And the model now is trying to recreate that

[stark anvil]

I don't think they'd be trying to emulate actual sharpening though. I can't imagine there is anything beneficial there

like just run a sharpening filter afterwards

[night yarrow]

i dont think its a filter

doesnt look like it

[night yarrow]

dont use L/M with dlaa

or you get what i got

[stark anvil]

I guess it looks better with the driver update, still a bit off though

dang preset L looks good

[night yarrow]

M is similar but more performant

[stark anvil]

L just looks like better M which I guess makes sense

[night yarrow]

it should technically

takes more time to process

1.18ms vs 1.38ms on my 5090

but i found them to be extremely similar

in this game at least

so i ended up with M

[stark anvil]

so do the presets populate as options in optiscaler?

if so I'll just install that to make comparing easier

[night yarrow]

why not

M and L are always there

they just lable as (unused)

[stark anvil]

I don't use optiscaler so I didn't know lol

[night yarrow]

i found it to be too convenient to ignore lol

[stark anvil]

pretty minor performance difference at 3440x1440 on a 5070 ti

[night yarrow]

ya its not big at a lower internal res

at 4k dlaa its like 10% slower than M

[rose whale]

The pattern of his armor really looks much cleaner too me

The pattern of his armor looks much cleaner too me

[stark anvil]

is there a way to make optiscaler block inputs

[night yarrow]

use DC to block

[stark anvil]

good idea

wait no that blocks it for optiscaler too lol

[rugged nest]

I’ve seen people with 40fps+ differences between M and K

Pretty insane

Need to test in my 4080

[night yarrow]

50fps

at dlaa

[rugged nest]

If I loose more than 5fps is probably not worth it

[night yarrow]

i posted that early

[rugged nest]

At performance

[night yarrow]

it depends on the internal res instead of the ratio

[rugged nest]

Yeah DLAA is just not really used tho. I wonder about quality/balanced/perf

[rugged nest]

Yeah I usually use 1080p internal

DLSS P at 4K

[night yarrow]

there is an official chart

[rugged nest]

On ms tho

Not fps

[night yarrow]

just do some basic math

[rugged nest]

I do not know what needs to be calculated there lol

[night yarrow]

you are at 10ms base if your game is 100fps

add that extra ms to it

and redo the math

[rugged nest]

Hmmm gotcha

[night yarrow]

super simple

[rugged nest]

I think I personally loose between 4-7%

Based on my calculations

Which would roughly be around 4fps in most cases, or around that

Probably worth it

With L i would loose around 6-8fps

[rose whale]

so L has even better pq?

[stark anvil]

at dlss quality 3440x1440, preset L is giving me 55 fps, preset K is giving me 59 fps. Preset M is 57 fps

[rose whale]

Do you prefer L over M as well?

[quiet sandal]

Going off of FPS alone is pointless, you should only be working in ms

Loosing 500FPS when youre base is 1000FPS is fuck all even though you've lost '50% of your framerate'

[rugged nest]

Im translating the ms to fps

I calculated at 60/80/100 and 120

Which is what I usually play at

[stark anvil]

I think L looks more natural yeah

[rugged nest]

Y loose 2 at 60 and 8 at 120

Approximately

[quiet sandal]

Preset Losers unite

[rugged nest]

Preset losers or preset Merde, which side are u on

Is ultra performance comparable to K performance now?

Or nah

[night yarrow]

preset moron

[rugged nest]

Huh so M is the only one that never uses that?

[rugged nest]

I think M is missing here as a typo

Afaik M also has it

[night yarrow]

@stark anvil it actually messes with brightness

[stark anvil]

yeah they say it does

would affect post processing as well if they do it right and run it at full res after upscaling

wait no it shouldn't really...

wait nvm yeah it would

anything running before tonemapping anyway

[rose whale]

DLSS effectively does its own exposure and tone-mapping decisions internally, especially when Auto Exposure is used. It’s not just a pure spatial upscaler – it operates on already tonemapped or exposure-dependent data, and in some cases it applies its own interpretation of brightness

[stark anvil]

I guess dlss would probably be post tonemapping

or....hmmm

I'm gonna shut up now

dlss is supposed to be before post processing entirely

that's all I really know

[rose whale]

DLSS 4.5 still makes exposure-related decisions, but it does so more conservatively and consistently than earlier versions hence highlights appear brighter in some caswes

[stark anvil]

it's not always done that way though

[stark anvil]

dlss always needed exposure

[rose whale]

https://youtu.be/SJdGjRGGU70

interesting at 3:10

[spring crown]

There you go, a free ITM courtesy of Nvidia

[quiet sandal]

RTX HDR 2.0

[tall merlin]

id like to be able to use it but the aliasing is so bad at times, tested even more and had to stop bothering with it. i just wanted preset k with bugfixes basically

[night yarrow]

tf my game keeps crashing

[tall merlin]

weird

[night yarrow]

actually i think K is the one that got griefed

[rugged nest]

it did and badly

[proper valve]

wtf

[unreal badge]

I gotta correct myself, that was over-complicated.
The best and simplest way is to just look at the sort order that Script Merger shows you in case of more than 1 mod trying to touch the same files. Script Merger display order is the same that the game engine uses, so you don't need to memorize anything much, can just rename folder, refresh/re-run Script Merger and see if the mod you want to "have priority" show up on top/first. In example screenshot, Wolf Restored is first.

[unreal badge]

hahaha, my save was in a tavern, and whenver I left-clicked something on OptiScaler gui, Geralt would punch somebody and start a fight XD

[abstract tulip]

seems to be a mixed bag from what I can tell

better image stability and less ghosting but it seems more demanding, has issues with specular aliasing and some are saying it's oversharpened

that's what I gathered from the discussion at digital foundry server

I haven't updated drivers/DLSS dlls yet but I'm probably going to stick to 310.4 for now

[prisma bramble]

here are some screens

[stark anvil]

it's doing some weird things to the way light looks on foliage

it just doesn't look very natural

[prisma bramble]

more testing ive done in avatar and control

it just makes more foilage

more detail everywhere

but if there is no more detail to recover, it just over sharpens

[stark anvil]

I think the core problem that's being run into here is that games aren't actually designed to look as sharp as no AA

like it's more than just the jaggies that looks bad when you force TAA off in games

I wonder if increasing mip bias might actually look better lol

like here's the mip bias for the witcher 3 in quality mode

though it's possible I just don't know how to read it in optiscaler

[stark anvil]

oh yeah, did you take these with reno installed?

if you were just raw dogging SDR here, cdpr forces NIS sharpening when you use DLSS

[prisma bramble]

yes

had rcas at 0

[stark anvil]

alright just wanted to be sure

forcing preset L/M without it has got to look really bad...

[flint bane]

Hi, I’m having an issue with the RenoDX addon.

My setup:
AORUS FO32U2 monitor,
HDR Peak 1000,
Windows 11 HDR calibrated to 1000 nits,
RenoDX settings are default, peak set to 1000, paper white 200,

The image is way too dark.
On the screenshot you can barely see Geralt’s back, and the building and the woman walking on the bridge are almost invisible.

Any idea what could be causing this or how to fix it?

[stark anvil]

I think that's just kinda how the novigrad countryside grading is

what gamma were you using before you installed renodx?

[flint bane]

default (slider centered).

[stark anvil]

I can compare in novigrad just to make sure I didn't break something I suppose

looks how it's supposed to

let me be sure I guess, get waveforms going

yeah that's just how it is

I think ABL might be the problem here

[rose whale]

I think that actually looks quite good

[flint bane]

Thanks for the suggestion about grading, setting the tonemapper shadow strength to 0 fixed the issue.

[flint bane]

What tool are you using to check HDR?

[stark anvil]

it's a great slider, wish I'd thought of it sooner lol

[stark anvil]

lilium hdr analysis

reshade shader

https://github.com/EndlesslyFlowering/ReShade_HDR_shaders

[cold basin]

Really having a hard time saying which I like more

[stark anvil]

These presets leave me more conflicted than any they’ve put out lol

[rugged nest]

Real

[cold basin]

[tall merlin]

K>M