Apparently ukraine just beat Russia’s ass
#Russo-Ukrainian War
remote owl
Yep a lot of the Russian fronts seem to be in full rout due to the HiMARs striking of supplyhubs, railways, etc.
The Izyum offensive (I believe, I may be talking about the wrong one, but it's one of the Donbass offensives and not Kherson), the Ukrainian advance has actually gained more equipment than they've lost due to Russian forces being disorganised and unable to take their equipment with them while retreating.
remote owl
It means very little, because it's probably the same suspects as usual, but 18 deputies from Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.
They've probably already had unfortunate accidents with the local Windows if they've been deemed a threat to the Tsar, but progress.
remote owl
Putin is acting like a Tsar.
Russian Dissidents have a bad habit of falling out of 8th story windows in "accidents".
foggy pilot
ah
remote owl
the KGB (and now GRU) playbook going back decades.
rocky spoke
KGB became the FSB. GRU is military intelligence.
remote owl
Thought KGB covered both tasks during the Soviet era?
All Soviet Intelligence branches enjoy their window-diving.
rocky spoke
There was a lot of overlap just like between the CIA, NSA, and FBI today
The branches didn't trust one another though
frank tangle
and It looks like Russia has started mobilization.
rocky spoke
frank tangle
ugg, that is not good but since Russia has a limited supply of missiles. It may help speed up the the process of them running out.
remote owl
Elon Musk continues having the worst run PR machine ever.
He recently attempted to support a Peace offer, where Russia keeps Crimea and the 4 oblasts that "legally voted in referenda to join Russia" (essentially the current borders, with a few changes), and then when told no, whined about Starlink costing too much and threatening to stop providing it
Which on it's own is whatever, par for the course since the Ukrainian diplomat did tell him to Fuck off, except the optics were quite bad. This came right after reports from Ukraine were saying that Starlink was having issues "keeping up" to the front changes (which seems to have just been a technical issue and not malicious intent)
frank tangle
I don't think anything will happen other than some stern words back and forth over this.
still rapids
Eh probably Article 4 at best.
remote owl
Apparently Russia has kidnapped 7 Raccoons, a pair of wolves, a llama, peacock and tiger from the Kherson Zoo.
still rapids
Honestly probably just some conscripts being shitheads. Still wtf.
still rapids
Here come the secondary sanctions, i.e. trade with Russia you get sanctioned as well.
still rapids
CorrectIon: NATO Parliamentary Assembly is advisory; NATO Secretary-General will that into consideration, then individual countries will make their own policy following that, Essentially it is a first, but major, step.
rocky spoke
In practice that's going to lead to a lot of cold people this winter
still rapids
Yeah. I am definitely mixed on the entire possibility of going forward these sanctions; it could easily lead to third party countries push towards the Chinese/Russian sphere of influence.
Not only that, but on the other forum, people have noted that most of the sources of this news being from Ukrainian sources, and not any other major news site such CNN, BBC, or Reuters. So I am not sure what to make of this yet.
remote owl
Canadians can now buy $100 Ukrainian Sovereignty Bonds
still rapids
So Russia is essentially cannibalizing it nuclear arsenals to throw rockets filled with rocks at the Ukrainians.
remote owl
Of course there's also the other explanations, but it's pretty much established that Russia's running low on rockets. Eventually they'll have to decide whether or not to throw nuclear bombs or not.
still rapids
Not confirmed outside of this photo, but dear god this is a terrible development if true.
thorny pier
i don't think much needs to be read between the lines there to understand the purpose of that "draft". really, really awful what's being done to the ukrainian people.
rocky spoke
Didn't think this was true but https://www.newsweek.com/russia-conscript-women-join-ukraine-war-mobilization-1755420
frank tangle
With Russia's demographics crisis they might need to start drafting women.
remote owl
They also basically describe them as being glorified comfort women, which is fucked up
Esp given a lot of Wagner's recruits have STI's of all kinds
thorny pier
russian women may or may not actually receive military training. ukrainian women are almost certain to be "drafted" into sex slavery. this was the reading between the lines i was just talking about
remote owl
Given Wagner's roots, Russian Women probably get the same "reward" for being drafted.
rocky spoke
Pretty sure they'd be more valuable as rear echelon support like Newsweek talks about
Which is how women soldiers were utilized in the USSR as well
remote owl
They probably would be more valuable was that, but Progozhin has outright said that their job will be "To make the soldiers lives as comfortable as possible", which when you read between the lines...
Between that and his inability to do things that are more valuable, like not charging into Bakhmut when the city's strategic value is long-gone
foggy pilot
I thought it was five golden rings
remote owl
rocky spoke
https://twitter.com/thetomzone/status/1607955900005863424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7C...
Nine rings were forged for mortal men 
still rapids
So it seems probable now that M1 Abrams + Leos are gonna be sent soon. I pity Ukrainian logistics officers.
frank tangle
and also the French might be sending their stuff.
still rapids
And Lelorcs? Jesus
frank tangle
hopefully they use the tanks better than the russians did lol
the russians sent in the tanks without any support at all
still rapids
Yeah, I think Ukrainains are going to be make advancements in combined arms w/ drones if anything.
Their artillery strikes using drones as spotters are scary accurate.
rocky spoke
They're supposed to take over a year to train on and whatever is being sent is really limited, probably only enough for a coordinated breakthrough
still rapids
Honestly, I imagine they were being trained back while this war was going on. Remember this invasion started in 2014, not 2022.
remote owl
The 25th was Zelensky's 45th birthday.
rocky spoke
Damn he looks good for 45
About as good as when Obama was elected and he was pretty good as well
still rapids
He is holding up well, all things considered. Zelensky that is.
split olive
This topic was created in order to discuss the ongoing invasion and occupation of Ukraine by Russian forces as well as the conflicts that led to the invasion.
Quick Info:
The Russo-Ukrainian War is an ongoing war between Russia (together with pro-Russian separatist forces) and Ukraine. It was started by Russia in February 2014 following the Ukrainian Revolution of Dignity, and initially focused on the status of Crimea and the Donbas, internationally recognized as part of Ukraine. The first eight years of the conflict included the Russian annexation of Crimea (2014) and the war in Donbas (2014–present) between Ukraine and Russian-backed separatists, as well as naval incidents, cyberwarfare, and political tensions. Following a Russian military build-up on the Russia–Ukraine border from late 2021, the conflict expanded significantly when Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.
Links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions_and_occupations_of_Ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/12/ukraine-kherson-counteroffensive-russian-occupation/
rocky spoke
Pretty grueling standstill
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1544831906117783555
split olive
crypto-mobilization? what is that
rocky spoke
I don't know, I've only been looking at the maps for the past few months now
But this seems to make a better statement
https://twitter.com/GeriMonsen1/status/1544832834098958341
Twitter
split olive
oh gotcha ok, interesting
rugged lance
crypto-mobilization? what is that
iirc, they want to use crypto to get around the sanctions that ban them from making transactions in certain currency or something along those lines
frank tangle
Well, It is not a good time to a be a Russian Ammo dump worker. Ukraine has been hitting them pretty hard.
remote owl
Ah
oblique sigil
Yeah the rest was like "Hey, you came from twitter!"
remote owl
But I came from a history forum!! Lol
But anyways, the Russian Duma is set to discuss banning ALL "gay propaganda" instead of just that geared towards kids. Hopefully if they do, it causes more of East Europe to Legalise sex sex marriage in response.
oblique sigil
I try to avoid twitter and stuff, I feel it's too easy to get lost in so much negative news..But I was on Twitter to look at something else, and up pops an article about another recent missile strike by Russia and one of the pictures is a blurred photo of a four year old killed..
remote owl
Yeah there's a lot of that. Russia's been targetting civilians all war long.
Some people have taken a liking to "let's show everyone the shock horror side of things, that'll get unanimous support behind Ukraine!", but really all I've seen is it cause more people to pivot to "Ukraine should surrender whatever it takes to get the killing to stop"
oblique sigil
I think it causes more people to go with more of a: "That's horrible but I don't want to see stuff like that" and then they tune out all the news related to it...