#[1K Comments!!] Nerfing the chart till it's APPEND 38

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opal star
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and 2021 is enough to break people's hands

astral onyx
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[1K Comments!!] Nerfing the chart till it's APPEND 38

opal star
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we're counting all the way to 2k now

opal star
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it's between 1, 2, 4

astral onyx
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so I'll make other charts

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I unearthed one of my charts I created months ago
(and I think it has a variety of patterns compared to my other charts)
-# comparing to my own charts is already a mistake? nevermind

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this pattern seems a bit too difficult for non-Jacks
so erasing this note can be good?

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195bpm

opal star
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honestly you can still try

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
opal star
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Charting a song against someone with the same music can allows you to understand a lot of charting aspects in terms of structure, flow, note sound and referencing

opal star
opal star
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(yes these questions are overwhelming, but it's honestly a must ask)

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it would also be a good idea, (even if you know your charts are really bad), to put your charts in ourstage charter applications and ask for as much advice as possible. They probably give way better advices than me since they're more experienced charters

astral onyx
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I'm planning to erase the middle gold note in the "?!" section

opal star
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keep it for now, when your chart is done, playtest it and see how difficult it is

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if it's worth the difficulty it might be fine. It looks concerning rn, but the result might come out unexpected

astral onyx
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I'm repacking now, since I erased some placeholders put unfairly

astral onyx
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I'll start from EXPERT and go to MASTER

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then MASTER

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this is what I get in high 30-31/34-35 respectively so the Lv shouldn't be wrong

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this is a "maybe 35"

opal star
# astral onyx

idk what did i just witnessed, but that looks difficult, yet seems to be better than your other charts

opal star
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the cross hands are a bit way too difficult imo

uneven lion
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Wow 1k comments

uneven lion
opal star
# astral onyx then MASTER

ngl tour chart art always impresses me, it's just the note placements are... weird.

Like there are very frequent hand swaps, way more than a 35 needs to have.

There are also a bit way too many flicks... you know what i mean by way too many

yes the chart difficulty is 35 i agree. No overchart or underchart. But it's the chaotic placements causing it to reach a difficulty of 35.

opal star
# astral onyx

if you want to learn charting, I've tried out a new method.

Choose a chart from pjsk that you like
choose one of it's difficulty, and an excerpt (a part of the chart)
chart that one part from memory, compare it with the official chart

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imo this help me learns the shape of the charts really well

opal star
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🥀

astral onyx
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# astral onyx I'll try! thanks mashow! btw now I'm suffering from a headache caused by my own...

I've also experienced headache a few times while charting
1st time being trying to understand why some charts are "Approved" by staffs and what makes them good. (I still have it sometimes)
2nd time being looking and listening to my chart

it's not a bad thing. Some people says that having a headache means you're actually learning and improving. And it mostly happens when you forced yourself to "Understand" physically instead of both "technically" and "physically"

don't rush yourself. Everyone improve at their own pace. I believe in you.

astral onyx
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one more case I get a headache:
when mmw freezes, shuts down and the effort I put for 30 min or so turns to Zero
(just now)

opal star
opal star
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Somehow I almost finished another chart

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it looks much better than expected (since it's technically a chart in pjsk rn and I took quite a bit of reference from it) but honestly my self creation part looks good enough

astral onyx
opal star
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they both sound good to me

opal star
opal star
astral onyx
astral onyx
astral onyx
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I died as usual
however I thought your chart can tie the official one, which is said to be a great chart

astral onyx
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some parts I found difficult

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X-shaped note cluster is difficult, and more difficult when twice in a row

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is the finger use here like this?

opal star
opal star
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I also found some parts that looks quite disturbing so... I will change that part a bit

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also some part doesnt seem to make sense

astral onyx
opal star
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ty 🙂

astral onyx
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I want to follow your way of triumph but I know I probably can't...
-# btw I'm having a burnout now
わたしの分まで、がんばってね
Good luck and have fun charting!

opal star
opal star
astral onyx
# opal star do you think this pattern is too difficult for a 28?

it's (almost)perfectly predictable and I think it's sync in real play
(it has lags only because it's a recording, just like my device)

I think that it's a decent 28(maybe bit difficult for AP cuz softlans),
and also that you made a non-boring chart out of a limited number of sounds!

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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I ensure you it's not a finger breaker

opal star
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I hope i can amaze you fr with this chart (and possibly inspire you)

astral onyx
# opal star I ensure you it's not a finger breaker

it's hard to make a finger breaker with this song unless you pack notes...
(Oh yes I may do this, regarding what I have made in the past...)

for now mine isn't a finger breaker either I think, don't worry

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btw wasn't the BPM a bit odd?
maybe just my imagination

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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it's unintentional i think

astral onyx
opal star
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I'll look forward seeing what you've made

shrewd talon
astral onyx
# shrewd talon

?
sorry I couldn't listen and comprehend it...
What do you mean?

glad magnet
astral onyx
glad magnet
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I wasn’t able to log in to this one so I js made a new one

astral onyx
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Glad you are able to log in now

astral onyx
glad magnet
astral onyx
# glad magnet I think I remember, was it append?

it's a Master
(and the Dennou spectacle thing is from Olivier(append))
the BPM is completely different(Dennou: 220 Retry Now: 145)
and I chose a part which can be done with 2 fingers so I thought it was OK...

astral onyx
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yes 16 div

glad magnet
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Maybe it isn’t so bad in the char, can u give the link?

astral onyx
astral onyx
astral onyx
glad magnet
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But

astral onyx
# glad magnet

What you send is generally...(I couldn't hear and understand the rest)

glad magnet
astral onyx
opal star
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explain the difference between denoise voice recording and non-denoise voice recording in 2 messages:

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lol

astral onyx
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Well...my chart for UCCC is almost ready
what is needed now the most now is the courage to publish it

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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From the chart art, words, letters and symbols, I assume you utilized the lyrics and meaning of the BGM itself

(I cant understand them since i dont really know what it is singing stare )

You used that to your advantage and created a chart which tells a very nice story.

Very nice usage of chart gimmicks, even without mmw4cc, you still showed that it's still possible to create something beautiful. Great job!

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the effort you've made will pay off, and your chart deserve my like ❤️

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Compared to your past charts, the note placements seemed more organized and reasonable, note visibility, despite still having a little trouble, also seemed to be much better than before.

You showed great sign of improvement, despite going through burnouts and many other things that stops you from charting.

And yet, you pushed through, charted this out and have the courage to show everyone, to let them enjoy

Without commenting on how your chart is, good or bad, you are already better than those who've never charted/tried to chart.

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This is officially the first chart you've created that I love, not because of goofiness and weird spams, but of effort and pushing your limits.airilike airilike airilike

astral onyx
opal star
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lalala

astral onyx
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lalala~♪

opal star
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🔥

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back to charting my legendary expert 33

astral onyx
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-# me trying to make an expert 33 would result in irrationality Hell so

opal star
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i would say worth a shot

opal star
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keeping this alive

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haha

astral onyx
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btw you became "the overcharter"?!
-# maybe your expert 33 ran wild?

opal star
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yes

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xd

astral onyx
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keeping this alive!

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lalala~

astral onyx
opal star
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oh wiw

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why is the colour changed...

astral onyx
opal star
opal star
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your master chart has... quite a lot of offsync notes and Unreadable notes...

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or difficult to see notes...

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you have a lot of note art, which isnt necessarily a bad thing, but the playability of the chart matters.

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Expert chart feels much more controlled and notes are more readable conpared to master chart, which is a good thing.

However, based on the patterns, this feels more like a Master 28.

Expert does not have note placements that is confusing (which you almost did it in this chart) and have much less note size changes than you think. I got blammed for not charting "Expert" enough in my charts MikuSlain

expert chart mostly focuses on alts over the 4 lanes with 3 width notes. Try experimenting with that

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Do not force add notes that does not resemble any note in the song. It will create a negative effect on difficulty.

You showed great signs of improvement tho. Keep it up!

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"Keep it up" 3c

astral onyx
# opal star or difficult to see notes...

yes, especially the hold-in-hold is very difficult to see...
all I could do was putting a WARNING! to turn "Guide Alpha" to 10-15...

the guide notes are necessary to tell that the chart is 5k
(bc the idol group singing the song has 5 members)
what I should do?
maybe erase the guide notes in the hold-in-hold section?

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-# offsync notes... I'll listen to the music even more, however maybe my sense of rhythm is bit pathetic so... I'll try tho

opal star
opal star
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or if possible, simple dont use guides in some places

astral onyx
opal star
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then its fine

astral onyx
opal star
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yea those holds should be fine

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no need to change

astral onyx
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and change in this manner?

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I think this is where a visibility problem lies

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btw I FCed your Hello 2021 HARD
it was tough but fun to play

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And is this the legendary EXPERT 33?

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I'll give it a try

opal star
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astral onyx
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I thought it was milder than Kaijyu bc it's mainly alternative tapping

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but I scored worse than Kaijyu
how odd

opal star
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honestly... its hard to calculate like that...

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the score on sonolus is accuracy score, 1m being max

astral onyx
opal star
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i think that's the reason why it's Expert 33
32 bpm faster than kaiju (actual bpm is 8x faster than charting bpm) is ridiculous

astral onyx
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in Rank matches and championships
it's
Great: -1 point
Good: -2 points
Bad/Miss: -3 points

opal star
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I mean it's kinda unfair to count like that when the combo difference between kaiju and my chart is like 500 combo difference

astral onyx
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you have a point
better count with the ratio

opal star
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in my way of calculation i take average accuracies.
you got ~94.7% on my chart and a 92.2% on kaiju
you actually performed better

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-# gotta be honest tho kaiju's expert is so badly created

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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-# machine gun psystyle camellia

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but I'd say Kaiju is worse than poem doll

astral onyx
astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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I'm so glad i decided to rewatch it this year

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I just cant get enough

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I already wanna rewatch the whole thing again and cry

astral onyx
opal star
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i planned something else for 4/1 tho...

astral onyx
opal star
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-# and dont mind me saying no to jjk, oshi no ko, naruto and dragon ball (never watched Eva so i cant say anything about it)

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I also seem to be fond of anime with long ahh titles 😭

astral onyx
opal star
glad magnet
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-# why

astral onyx
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Oh My God
what the H**l

astral onyx
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april fool's...?

opal star
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I may change this chart a bit in the future because i feel like some of them feels a bit unclear and offsync but yea that's pretty much what I planned for april fools

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something similar, with this being the test run

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-# wanna see me try out my chart btw?

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Bonus: these hold notes have 0 combo

astral onyx
opal star
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and you wont believe it, hold notes after this trace note also have 0 combo

astral onyx
opal star
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peak confusion

astral onyx
opal star
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actually a lot of hold notes that seems unsightreadable are just decoys. They don't do any combo at all cuz i manually checked them all

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they are just there to throw you off

astral onyx
astral onyx
opal star
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I've learnt how to make them playable while not too unplayable :proud:

astral onyx
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-# pretty crazy, this should be for Jacks and Shoshinshas

opal star
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oh even veterans may question their life choices but it's fine

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I've questioned it multiple times already XD

astral onyx
astral onyx
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-# he APed MarbleBlue without seeing the notes... just crazy

opal star
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i mistaken the word as "beginners" in japanese 😭

astral onyx
opal star
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possibly also in ourstage stuff for even more feedback

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that's how I learn

astral onyx
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HARD charts should be bit too easy for you but give it a try if you want
-# also MASTER is fixed!

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
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patterns from MASTER chart,
though you can go through with ease by simply moving your finger

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patterns from Lost and found Expert

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the merging holds are bit rare in Experts?

opal star
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2 note size is rare enough already ngl

astral onyx
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maybe the gold guide section is bit MASTER-like
following the lyrics "まっすぐ"(straight) results in this in my imagination ; (

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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you can make it into lanes instead

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lanes with 2 width notes

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or just place jacks

astral onyx
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placing the guides here instead?

astral onyx
opal star
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yes

astral onyx
opal star
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yay

opal star
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found it

astral onyx
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found what? ((o(^∀^)o)) ワクワク

opal star
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This place

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It's almost time to submit my school project so I'm taking some of my chart and some conversations here as resource

opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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-# I love this name

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
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good luck for your school project! (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧ガンバッテネ

opal star
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It's already past due date I'm cooked 😭

astral onyx
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Oh no
it's not a game over yet, is it?
I'm sure your charts will save the day

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-# maybe the word "a game over" was bit inappropriate because life isn't a game... sorry

opal star
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not yet game over but its close

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i must get it done by 21st

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or else my presentation will be completely blank

astral onyx
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Oh...
then I'll try not to disturb you too much
-# btw you became a charter nominator, Congrats
good luck!

opal star
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its nothing really crazy

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but I'll lock in

opal star
astral onyx
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Wait-
will you use this for your presentation?
it sure is impressive(in both good and bad way) though
YouTubers can use this kind of art for trailers and so on,
so it would be good

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astral onyx
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at least you will know that it's not even a chart

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just a cascade of notes pouring

opal star
astral onyx
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anything other is just noise

opal star
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wake up

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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(i can kinda tell by the art style lol)

astral onyx
opal star
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welp video is 50% done

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hopefully finished by friday or im actually cooked

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I got this 😭✌️

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good night

astral onyx
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good night mashow

opal star
astral onyx
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is the concept of this video "throwing a bad chart right into the bin"?

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with the video only I couldn't know it's a good chart or a bad one:
I suppose you should put a context saying "this is a good/bad chat" with it

opal star
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but you somehow got it correctly as i really threw the bad chart into the bin

astral onyx
opal star
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I've edited to the part where you make appearance

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unfortunately I cannot say/ display your name cuz school doesn't allow (i can however put you in credits so i did that instead)

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
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did your presentation go well?

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お疲れ様

opal star
astral onyx
astral onyx
opal star
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nah, It's just a bit hard to read, most of them aren't too bad for me.

astral onyx
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okay imma try myself

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-# btw how does the music title reads? I can't even read it

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maybe like "komodocancaize"?

opal star
astral onyx
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the song says "if you beat me... that's awesome" or sth
*pant... pant...
-# it was literally Hell

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it has difficult point in a different orientation from Kaijyu,
but I thought the difficulty was around the same
Lv 38

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High Difficulty Song Nerfing Project(高難易度弱体化計画) #001
Miss Crazy Speed
スピードはそのままに、凶暴性をほぼ除去しましたわ。
どうぞお楽しみくださいませ!

Chart by Estherぬん(Miss Overchart)

Nerfing......SUCCESS.(I think)
THIS PC WILL REBOOT IN 5 SECONDS.
SEE YA IN AFTERLIFE.
Enjoy!

opal star
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i shall try it later

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cuz its dinner time

opal star
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nerf failed: actually a fail nerf
nerf success: Not completely nerfed to 25 but it's nerfed

both nerfs: SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR OTHER CHARTS It's not weird spams anymore & it has a lot of good movements that won't cause my hands to tie knots on themselves

opal star
# astral onyx

the beginning said "if you believed me, that's really lucky of you"

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also nice try on my chartairilike

astral onyx
# opal star

yeah it sure was Hell but sure fun at the same time!(⌒▽⌒)

astral onyx
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ultra 無茶振り(no COMBO is counted though, it's Hell if otherwise)

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nearly half of the chart is from Machinegun HARD(as it is or altered)
so it should be less weird than my other charts...maybe

however Miss Overchart(Me) couldn't fully nerf Miss Crazyspeed,
it's a bit of a shame

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thanks for playing(& enjoying?) my chart!

opal star
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also its late in the night now so I will fall in to slumber now

opal star
opal star
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お休みなさい

astral onyx
astral onyx
opal star
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i cant find the upside down triangle

opal star
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and good night

astral onyx
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good night!

opal star
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@astral onyx This is not an arg

astral onyx
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btw what do you mean by "arg"?

astral onyx
opal star
astral onyx
opal star
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but arg means something a little bit different

astral onyx
opal star
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for example your parents went missing and they left you a bunch of riddles and puzzles on where they are. (mostly complicated decoding)

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it's something like that, mostly related to horror, but it's not a definite

astral onyx
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and horror intruding into the real life is even fearsome

opal star
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yup

astral onyx
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the figure in the left top was "✕" in the end...dying Miku is so horror

opal star
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We will all suffer

astral onyx
opal star
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it's not the one that i showed you above but its still something

astral onyx
opal star
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can you play it or is the link not working?

opal star
astral onyx
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🪦

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well I couldn't tell how it works...
but THAT'S APRIL FOOL'S and that's WHAT APRIL FOOL'S is meant to be,
perfect

opal star
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there are way too many judgement lines so i get that its confusing lol

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i would say it's probably around append 32 overall, but i do get that some gimmicks screw people up a lot so... solid effort 🙂

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thanks for playing it tho i appreciate it

astral onyx
opal star
opal star
# astral onyx Oh my... for me it was equal to Kaiju... maybe getting used to the gimmicks will...

let me give you some hints

  1. focus on judgement lines that tell you which notes should be tapped together

  2. Cytus

  3. There is a part that have fake notes, only gold notes are needed to be tapped on, take a closer look at the green guides merging

  4. The hold notes on the second part of Distorted Fate is fake, the tap notes comes in a 123-123-123 cycle and a 321-321-321 cycle, ending with flick notes. This is probably the hardest to understand and read.

  5. right before the end, the 4 width notes, there are 2 guides merging on 1 note, indicating there are in total 4 notes to tap on, take a look at the combo change in my video.