#[1K Comments!!] Nerfing the chart till it's APPEND 38
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[1K Comments!!] Nerfing the chart till it's APPEND 38
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I'm contemplating between which song i want to try for the uccc
it's between 1, 2, 4
I will not try uccc, it's a 100% chance defeat for me
so I'll make other charts
I unearthed one of my charts I created months ago
(and I think it has a variety of patterns compared to my other charts)
-# comparing to my own charts is already a mistake? nevermind
this pattern seems a bit too difficult for non-Jacks
so erasing this note can be good?
195bpm
honestly you can still try
depends on your bpm
answer these questions:
How difficult do your chart want to be?
What note is that? 8th note? 24th note? 12th note?
Does this note match the song?
so you think it's still possible?
Yes. It's not about winning or losing. It's about experience and learning
Master 34-35
Charting a song against someone with the same music can allows you to understand a lot of charting aspects in terms of structure, flow, note sound and referencing
what is your song, how fast is it, and is it possible to be tapped this fast
what's the fingering on this?
(yes these questions are overwhelming, but it's honestly a must ask)
it would also be a good idea, (even if you know your charts are really bad), to put your charts in ourstage charter applications and ask for as much advice as possible. They probably give way better advices than me since they're more experienced charters
I must have been crazy to make such pattern
it's freakin' fast
I'm planning to erase the middle gold note in the "?!" section
keep it for now, when your chart is done, playtest it and see how difficult it is
if it's worth the difficulty it might be fine. It looks concerning rn, but the result might come out unexpected
I'm repacking now, since I erased some placeholders put unfairly
-# play these pieces of garbage if you want
I'll start from EXPERT and go to MASTER
then MASTER
this is what I get in high 30-31/34-35 respectively so the Lv shouldn't be wrong
this is a "maybe 35"
idk what did i just witnessed, but that looks difficult, yet seems to be better than your other charts
Wow 1k comments
It’s experience and also, you have a chance! 3 ways to win 
hello
ngl tour chart art always impresses me, it's just the note placements are... weird.
Like there are very frequent hand swaps, way more than a 35 needs to have.
There are also a bit way too many flicks... you know what i mean by way too many
yes the chart difficulty is 35 i agree. No overchart or underchart. But it's the chaotic placements causing it to reach a difficulty of 35.
if you want to learn charting, I've tried out a new method.
Choose a chart from pjsk that you like
choose one of it's difficulty, and an excerpt (a part of the chart)
chart that one part from memory, compare it with the official chart
imo this help me learns the shape of the charts really well
🥀
I'll try! thanks mashow!
btw now I'm suffering from a headache caused by my own chart
(I was making a not-so-hard chart for the charting contest,
went to one of my charts to copy&paste the letter art,
and it gave me a headache)
-# maybe this means I'm more sane than when I made that chart
I've also experienced headache a few times while charting
1st time being trying to understand why some charts are "Approved" by staffs and what makes them good. (I still have it sometimes)
2nd time being looking and listening to my chart
it's not a bad thing. Some people says that having a headache means you're actually learning and improving. And it mostly happens when you forced yourself to "Understand" physically instead of both "technically" and "physically"
don't rush yourself. Everyone improve at their own pace. I believe in you.
one more case I get a headache:
when mmw freezes, shuts down and the effort I put for 30 min or so turns to Zero
(just now)
that's not just a headache
It's emotional damage
Somehow I almost finished another chart
it looks much better than expected (since it's technically a chart in pjsk rn and I took quite a bit of reference from it) but honestly my self creation part looks good enough
sounds good, mine(which I'm making for the charting contest)
seems not as abrupt as my other charts and looks good too!
well, it's 油断大敵 for me...
i'm still deciding between spring puzzle or the statice one (KAFU)
they both sound good to me
メモリア - Aira (APPEND 37 Full song + Rechart)
probably my best chart yet
there's one part in the statice one APPEND is the best difficulty to apply
the most charming chart art but I'm not cut out for making APPENDs at least for now...
I'll give up making APPEND
well if you're wondering you can make both I think
(if you have enough time and mental power left)
imma try!
I probably dont :p
part1
part2
I died as usual
however I thought your chart can tie the official one, which is said to be a great chart
some parts I found difficult
X-shaped note cluster is difficult, and more difficult when twice in a row
is the finger use here like this?
yup, this one basically has this finger pattern (yes it's difficult)
this one imo is not as difficult as the diamond formation since it's only a double note. I think it's the speed that makes it difficult to execute
I also found some parts that looks quite disturbing so... I will change that part a bit
also some part doesnt seem to make sense
Congrats mashow!
now you are a charter of OurStage
ty 🙂
I want to follow your way of triumph but I know I probably can't...
-# btw I'm having a burnout now
わたしの分まで、がんばってね
Good luck and have fun charting!
you can do it, we all improve at different speeds
Apparently i also have close to perfect pitch and i've study music theory in the past, maybe that assisted me in some way
no need to force yourself, If you want to improve, you will.
do you think this pattern is too difficult for a 28?
it's (almost)perfectly predictable and I think it's sync in real play
(it has lags only because it's a recording, just like my device)
I think that it's a decent 28(maybe bit difficult for AP cuz softlans),
and also that you made a non-boring chart out of a limited number of sounds!
the base chart is finished for the UCCC, i'll be working on the chart art soon
...it's an APPEND, right?
(bc it's theorically possible with 2 fingers but the Lv would skyrocket if so)
yes, it's actually ~APPEND 29 and i gurantee even you can play it with joy
I ensure you it's not a finger breaker
I hope i can amaze you fr with this chart (and possibly inspire you)
it's hard to make a finger breaker with this song unless you pack notes...
(Oh yes I may do this, regarding what I have made in the past...)
for now mine isn't a finger breaker either I think, don't worry
btw wasn't the BPM a bit odd?
maybe just my imagination
I'm looking forward!
the BPM for my song is 127, transferred to 125 in the er hu/violin section and bsck to 127
Oh I see
my ArrowVortex said it's 126.96bpm
so it's a song with BPM changes! thanks
it's unintentional i think
https://open.sonolus.com/untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-6b68d97b11b548e4919bbdd49dd9926e Chart done and published as my entry
:))
I think i cooked so hard
sounds good, I'll take a look once I completed my chart
I'll look forward seeing what you've made
BTW I saw ur i want to be even more cuter chart and
?
sorry I couldn't listen and comprehend it...
What do you mean?
i cant either
“Yeesh! That’s really bad…” sorry mics bad
so you mean it's a piece of crap?
-# if so unfortunately I have to agree, since it's kinda quite unfair...
btw I didn't know that you were Abel
Yeah it really is. And yes that’s an alt acc
alt?
For my phone
I wasn’t able to log in to this one so I js made a new one
I see!
so you weren't able to log in to this Towa account
and made a new one to continue Discord
Glad you are able to log in now
Yep!
Also u know wds?.🥹
Not only know but also play😆
I don't know whether you remember but this is why I put
Dennou Spectacle in my Retry Now chart
I think I remember, was it append?
it's a Master
(and the Dennou spectacle thing is from Olivier(append))
the BPM is completely different(Dennou: 220 Retry Now: 145)
and I chose a part which can be done with 2 fingers so I thought it was OK...
But that part is so fast,
yes 16 div
Maybe it isn’t so bad in the char, can u give the link?
I haven't booted my PC and the chart isn't in the UntitledCharts server...
can I send the scp file instead?
Yep!
I sent the file!
What you send is generally...(I couldn't hear and understand the rest)
“YEESH! that’s really bad..”
explain the difference between denoise voice recording and non-denoise voice recording in 2 messages:
lol
Well...my chart for UCCC is almost ready
what is needed now the most now is the courage to publish it
if you need the courage, just ask yourself: Did you give it your best shot?
bad charts doesn't exist unless you never tried.
I gave my best shot
I even think it can be the best chart I ever made
https://open.sonolus.com/untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-490949b111214299bc6969b024483756
I played your chart!
the chart art is just amazing!
(tbh I think what makes a chart of this song good is chart art
and I worked mainly on the chart art too...and the rhythm)
thank you (i will test out your chart now)
thank you too, for giving me the courage!
From the chart art, words, letters and symbols, I assume you utilized the lyrics and meaning of the BGM itself
(I cant understand them since i dont really know what it is singing
)
You used that to your advantage and created a chart which tells a very nice story.
Very nice usage of chart gimmicks, even without mmw4cc, you still showed that it's still possible to create something beautiful. Great job!
the effort you've made will pay off, and your chart deserve my like ❤️
Compared to your past charts, the note placements seemed more organized and reasonable, note visibility, despite still having a little trouble, also seemed to be much better than before.
You showed great sign of improvement, despite going through burnouts and many other things that stops you from charting.
And yet, you pushed through, charted this out and have the courage to show everyone, to let them enjoy
Without commenting on how your chart is, good or bad, you are already better than those who've never charted/tried to chart.
This is officially the first chart you've created that I love, not because of goofiness and weird spams, but of effort and pushing your limits.

thanks so much mashow!
I owe you a lot for being able to publish this chart
lalala
lalala~♪
Let's go, I think your expert 33 will be playable and I'm rooting for you
-# me trying to make an expert 33 would result in irrationality Hell so
hmm... i dont think it will be as ridiculous as the ones you made in the past
i would say worth a shot
thanks for keeping this thread alive!
btw you became "the overcharter"?!
-# maybe your expert 33 ran wild?
EXPERT difficulty
https://untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-d2137dbb12c14372b9c8fd707ccb59a1
the name color?
it's probably bc the titles like "whitelisted" are now gone
(and replaced by "OurStage Charter")
most likely it, ourstage charter is orange now
will try this later
your master chart has... quite a lot of offsync notes and Unreadable notes...
or difficult to see notes...
you have a lot of note art, which isnt necessarily a bad thing, but the playability of the chart matters.
Expert chart feels much more controlled and notes are more readable conpared to master chart, which is a good thing.
However, based on the patterns, this feels more like a Master 28.
Expert does not have note placements that is confusing (which you almost did it in this chart) and have much less note size changes than you think. I got blammed for not charting "Expert" enough in my charts 
expert chart mostly focuses on alts over the 4 lanes with 3 width notes. Try experimenting with that
Do not force add notes that does not resemble any note in the song. It will create a negative effect on difficulty.
You showed great signs of improvement tho. Keep it up!
"Keep it up" 
yes, especially the hold-in-hold is very difficult to see...
all I could do was putting a WARNING! to turn "Guide Alpha" to 10-15...
the guide notes are necessary to tell that the chart is 5k
(bc the idol group singing the song has 5 members)
what I should do?
maybe erase the guide notes in the hold-in-hold section?
-# offsync notes... I'll listen to the music even more, however maybe my sense of rhythm is bit pathetic so... I'll try tho
-# for unreadable notes...
-# maybe here? I'll Re:make so that the player can see trace notes which cover all the 5k
this part is fine if the trace note at the start of each hold is the whole rack in width and hold notes have 0 combo
Make the guide note end at least half a measure before the hold note begins
or if possible, simple dont use guides in some places
the holds don't have combo(it would be horrible if otherwise),
only these trace notes have combo
then its fine
it's already so, so no problem?
and change in this manner?
I think this is where a visibility problem lies
btw I FCed your Hello 2021 HARD
it was tough but fun to play
And is this the legendary EXPERT 33?
I'll give it a try
yea i would say so
yea, It is technically Master 33 rn (because of note size and placements type of stuff but it will be EXPERT 33 confirmed)
I thought it was milder than Kaijyu bc it's mainly alternative tapping
but I scored worse than Kaijyu
how odd
honestly... its hard to calculate like that...
the score on sonolus is accuracy score, 1m being max
I looked into the preview
in an EXPERT chart with 252bpm,
you have no choice but to make alternative tap patterns
and maybe the cause I scored worse(?) than Kaijyu is the pure speed
i think that's the reason why it's Expert 33
32 bpm faster than kaiju (actual bpm is 8x faster than charting bpm) is ridiculous
in Rank matches and championships
it's
Great: -1 point
Good: -2 points
Bad/Miss: -3 points
I mean it's kinda unfair to count like that when the combo difference between kaiju and my chart is like 500 combo difference
you have a point
better count with the ratio
in my way of calculation i take average accuracies.
you got ~94.7% on my chart and a 92.2% on kaiju
you actually performed better
-# gotta be honest tho kaiju's expert is so badly created
it's both me lol
xd
Kaijyu expert is virtually Master
everything is Master
-# yet some people say Machinegun is harder...
maybe in some way machine gun (not psystyle) is
-# machine gun psystyle camellia
but I'd say Kaiju is worse than poem doll
here's a short video of an ongoing pain
bringing 24/32 div in Expert is inhumane
-# just what I loved to make some weeks ago
even now I could do the likes of this if I'm not careful
Tachibana Kanade!
(or I should say "mashow"?)
my fav angel beats character ❤️
yes!💖
I'm so glad i decided to rewatch it this year
I just cant get enough
I already wanna rewatch the whole thing again and cry
Ohh the visibility...
it's even more gimmicky/less visible than Kaijyu APPEND...
yes, this is designed in "April fools" type
i planned something else for 4/1 tho...
a good anime is so, especially if you have a favorite(推し)
there are too many for me, Angel beats however always stays on top of the list
-# and dont mind me saying no to jjk, oshi no ko, naruto and dragon ball (never watched Eva so i cant say anything about it)
I also seem to be fond of anime with long ahh titles 😭
this should also be april fool's just as in the lyrics haha
yes yes we need Append +
Take would love that flick
I sense something lethal from APPEND0s/APPEND1s...
(example: Megalovania APPEND Lv1)
imma try!
Oh My God
what the H**l
I will clearly say that this is for superhumans
april fool's...?
you actually did pretty well
I may change this chart a bit in the future because i feel like some of them feels a bit unclear and offsync but yea that's pretty much what I planned for april fools
something similar, with this being the test run
-# wanna see me try out my chart btw?
Bonus: these hold notes have 0 combo
yea
and you wont believe it, hold notes after this trace note also have 0 combo
oh the ends of the gold notes were cut
good news
oh they are cut too
same logic
actually a lot of hold notes that seems unsightreadable are just decoys. They don't do any combo at all cuz i manually checked them all
they are just there to throw you off
april fool's exists to confuse ppl
so perfect
so the only obstacle to get a FC is the CRAZY hi-speed changes?
pretty much yes
I've learnt how to make them playable while not too unplayable :proud:
-# pretty crazy, this should be for Jacks and Shoshinshas
obviously it's for shoshinshas and not to make them question their life choices
oh even veterans may question their life choices but it's fine
I've questioned it multiple times already XD
Shoshinsha is a Japanese pjsk player who won the 2nd prize in
official pjsk championships
despite his name, he is a super player(, who can maybe exceed even Jack)
ah
-# he APed MarbleBlue without seeing the notes... just crazy
i mistaken the word as "beginners" in japanese 😭
Marblegone
indeed, Shoshinsha is the exact word for "beginner"
you're right
Ima post "CHAOS" in chart showoff for feedback
possibly also in ourstage stuff for even more feedback
that's how I learn
great!
in my side Toki Meki Chocolate HARD is complete
HARD charts should be bit too easy for you but give it a try if you want
-# also MASTER is fixed!
!! Set "Guide Alpha" to 10~15 to play with ease please !!
(sorry the guide notes to make the 5k hides some notes)
COMBO: 847
BPM: 162
A song from IDOLY PRIDE!
I made a 5k chart bc Tsuki no Tempest has 5 members!
it was harder than I thought though...
...bit easy for a 31? far better than overcharting so OK!
Enjoy!
btw is Expert like a MASTER 28?
if you're saying about the difficulty of the chart,
then it's a huge overchart...
I checked and got a FC on this chart so it shouldn't be so absurd imo
however I should fix if there are points irrational for ppl playing mainly Expert...
yea the pattern is too masterlike, im not the best at giving ratings however, but i do recommend nerfing a bit
patterns from MASTER chart,
though you can go through with ease by simply moving your finger
patterns from Lost and found Expert
the merging holds are bit rare in Experts?
2 note size is rare enough already ngl
maybe the gold guide section is bit MASTER-like
following the lyrics "まっすぐ"(straight) results in this in my imagination ; (
yea the guide is hard to see, maybe move them away
guides make notes hard to see ; (
however I want to tell the player that that the notes are まっすぐ…
what a dilemma
placing the guides here instead?
I'm pretty a noob with charting jargon, so let me ask:
is "jack" a pattern with multiple notes in the same lane?
yay
found it
found what? ((o(^∀^)o)) ワクワク
This place
It's almost time to submit my school project so I'm taking some of my chart and some conversations here as resource
I may include some conversation here (nothing will be inappropriate) so if you don't mind... can I?
of course
you can even describe me as "noob girl A" haha
-# sorry Siinamota
nah, I'll keep you as Esther as usual
-# I love this name
tysm, I appreciate this
this will make the conversion more person-to-person
yea the presentation is about career life, so I feel like keeping as many things original is the best thing i can do
I totally agree
especially if it's something which can decide your career
good luck for your school project! (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧ガンバッテネ
It's already past due date I'm cooked 😭
Oh no
it's not a game over yet, is it?
I'm sure your charts will save the day
-# maybe the word "a game over" was bit inappropriate because life isn't a game... sorry
not yet game over but its close
i must get it done by 21st
or else my presentation will be completely blank
Oh...
then I'll try not to disturb you too much
-# btw you became a charter nominator, Congrats
good luck!
oh charter nominator is just approving applications and stuff
its nothing really crazy
but I'll lock in
Wait-
will you use this for your presentation?
it sure is impressive(in both good and bad way) though
YouTubers can use this kind of art for trailers and so on,
so it would be good
this is in the presentation as an example of a "Unstructured chart"
then perfect
far far better than the absurd charts made by "Esther the overcharter"
bc even people who know nothing about charting will know that it's absurd
at least you will know that it's not even a chart
just a cascade of notes pouring
yes, maximum visualization
I agree, purifying something to the most is the best way to convey that
you are talking about IT
anything other is just noise
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
I'm like this now
thanks for the clip
I'm adding it into my presentation 🙂
btw the original video was made by Karameru, the MV maker of Kaijyu🦖
the guy who made energy synergy matrix...?
(i can kinda tell by the art style lol)
yes
welp video is 50% done
hopefully finished by friday or im actually cooked
I got this 😭✌️
good night
good night mashow
This is a bad idea
I can't tell what it means so...
is the concept of this video "throwing a bad chart right into the bin"?
with the video only I couldn't know it's a good chart or a bad one:
I suppose you should put a context saying "this is a good/bad chat" with it
there are contexts before it, I didnt show it here in this clip
but you somehow got it correctly as i really threw the bad chart into the bin
Wow
so it's a chart you discarded in real life?
(in other words, a non-fiction)
I've edited to the part where you make appearance
unfortunately I cannot say/ display your name cuz school doesn't allow (i can however put you in credits so i did that instead)
thanks, and not allowing displaying others' name is quite normal so I don't
mind
putting me in credits in spite of this is an honor!(partly cuz I'm a bit of an attention seeker)
I'm rooting for you, good luck!
https://beta.untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-ca38b3b8d0b441d4833fe309540a854d/ gimmick at its finest
Camellia...嫌な予感しかしない(feel like I(or my fingers) am gonna have a bad time)
did your presentation go well?
お疲れ様
yuh it went well
I should ask...maybe the stress from presentation drove you kinda... bit crazy?
I can't even see the notes coming and they are coming from everywhere
I'm happy to hear that! (´∀`)
nah, It's just a bit hard to read, most of them aren't too bad for me.
okay imma try myself
-# btw how does the music title reads? I can't even read it
maybe like "komodocancaize"?
good question...
I dont
(i just read it cuo-mo-duke-kum-quiz)
the song says "if you beat me... that's awesome" or sth
*pant... pant...
-# it was literally Hell
it has difficult point in a different orientation from Kaijyu,
but I thought the difficulty was around the same
Lv 38
I also made a chart(half in order to learn nerfing)!
nerf failed(for pros)
https://untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-694428926a284671a6ff9f2495a758d5
nerf succeeded ver.(for everyone)
https://untitledcharts.com/levels/UnCh-ff2156597c944d44ac6e17dc7e606232
nerf failed: actually a fail nerf
nerf success: Not completely nerfed to 25 but it's nerfed
both nerfs: SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR OTHER CHARTS It's not weird spams anymore & it has a lot of good movements that won't cause my hands to tie knots on themselves
the beginning said "if you believed me, that's really lucky of you"
also nice try on my chart
the chart has a very contrarian and twisted personality
example:
与える→"Oh, you will give me what?" and the outcome is "奪う"(gold holds disappear)
無茶振りなんていたしませんわ→this
ultra 無茶振り(no COMBO is counted though, it's Hell if otherwise)
nearly half of the chart is from Machinegun HARD(as it is or altered)
so it should be less weird than my other charts...maybe
however Miss Overchart(Me) couldn't fully nerf Miss Crazyspeed,
it's a bit of a shame
thanks for playing(& enjoying?) my chart!
maybe it's 27-28?
can i get some translation for the japanese please lol
I can tell the japanese is hinting somthing denial or idk because i saw しません there but i really am no expert in japanese
also its late in the night now so I will fall in to slumber now
I liked it for sure. It feels very fun (and wonky) at the same time
与える: give
無茶振り: something abnormal/irrational
しません: I won't do (thing name)
sorry it was bit not kind
good night mashow!
お休みなさい!
(● ◇ ●)
i cant find the upside down triangle
i can understand a bit now with the translation, thanks
and good night
good night!
btw what do you mean by "arg"?
I thought like you had a message to convey...good chart anyway!
arg means something horror related and stuff
ok I see
jumpscares like my Miss Crazyspeed chart, is it?
yea
but arg means something a little bit different
can you give me some examples?
arg stands for Alternate reality game.
for example your parents went missing and they left you a bunch of riddles and puzzles on where they are. (mostly complicated decoding)
it's something like that, mostly related to horror, but it's not a definite
parents suddenly go missing is very horror, especially to young children
and horror intruding into the real life is even fearsome
yup
i uh... found the song
...what do you mean?
the figure in the left top was "✕" in the end...dying Miku is so horror
We will all suffer
Wait-
what do you mean?
-# I got it's april fool's chart
Even though i have exams, I still decided to finish it
it's not the one that i showed you above but its still something
Wow it looks pretty awesome!
...well idk how it works
can you play it or is the link not working?
its just fun fun
don't mind, the link is working!
I watched the autoplay, and fear kinda overwhelmed me too much to play, that's all
it's an April Fool's chart, it may well be fearsome
(it's not April Fool's if otherwise.
my April Fool's chart is fearsome too so I can tell it's so easily)
okay I'll dive into Oblivion
plz make my grave if I die, haha
🪦
well I couldn't tell how it works...
but THAT'S APRIL FOOL'S and that's WHAT APRIL FOOL'S is meant to be,
perfect
honestly nice try xd
there are way too many judgement lines so i get that its confusing lol
i would say it's probably around append 32 overall, but i do get that some gimmicks screw people up a lot so... solid effort 🙂
thanks for playing it tho i appreciate it
Oh my...
for me it was equal to Kaiju...
maybe getting used to the gimmicks will change things
Here's 1 of my attempts
let me give you some hints
-
focus on judgement lines that tell you which notes should be tapped together
-
Cytus
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There is a part that have fake notes, only gold notes are needed to be tapped on, take a closer look at the green guides merging
-
The hold notes on the second part of Distorted Fate is fake, the tap notes comes in a 123-123-123 cycle and a 321-321-321 cycle, ending with flick notes. This is probably the hardest to understand and read.
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right before the end, the 4 width notes, there are 2 guides merging on 1 note, indicating there are in total 4 notes to tap on, take a look at the combo change in my video.