Loose thread

[late delta]

hihi

[spare heath]

ah, so anyone can use them once created then

[late delta]

one really annoying thing is that it defaults to all notifs

[scarlet panther]

yio

[warm hinge]

Oh hey

Oh god

On mobile it literally just pretends like it's a seperate channel

[late delta]

it is!

[warm hinge]

this is terrible

[late delta]

at least according to the api

my friend would agree

[fair minnow]

y o

it is a separate channel, is it not

[spare heath]

Pocket dimensions...

[warm hinge]

You think they'd let you do split screen or something

[fair minnow]

bruh I have factorio muted, but I'll get the unread marker from this thread

[warm hinge]

or are the devs too busy making fursuits to actually implement a useful feature on the mobile app

[fair minnow]

can I leave the thread?

[late delta]

yes

[fair minnow]

cya

[narrow cipher]

hi

[late delta]

also, notif settings can be modified per-thread

it defaults to all notifs

pocket dimensions

[warm hinge]

meh

[fair minnow]

it's like those buildings in factorimesio or whatever it is

[warm hinge]

like I think it's a useful idea but I wish it was more like child/parent rather than "literally just a temp channel"

[spare heath]

not in the recursive sense at least

thankfully

[fair minnow]

it does have a parent

it has a mesage parent and a channel parent

[late delta]

that's the logical extension

[fair minnow]

at least it's fast to change notification settings. I imagine they'll fix it soon

[spare heath]

interesting

[warm hinge]

It has a parent but barely

[kind depot]

how are threads made? I want to try one in my own server

[light canyon]

👀

[fair minnow]

dude what

you can not mute threads

at all

[warm hinge]

also what the fuck?

why does it remove the user sidebar

[light canyon]

Locked to mods right now

[warm hinge]

shouldn't that show the users in the thread or something

[light canyon]

You can. Leave the thread

[kind depot]

I meant in my own server not this one

[light canyon]

Or change notification settings

[fair minnow]

yea but that's kinda cringe if i wanna be part of the thread

[warm hinge]

I guess the devs really were too busy making fursuits to actually implement this

you'd think after testing it for what, 2 years now? that they'd have these features figured out

[fair minnow]

this is a very inconsistent feature

I would agree with you, xav

[light canyon]

They’ll arrive… when they arrive. For non-community servers

[kind depot]

oh ok didnt realize it was still not fully rolled out

[light canyon]

We don’t need this kind of language thank you

[warm hinge]

https://i.imgur.com/rRuKrWd.png

how do you see the thread

[narrow cipher]

i can though

[warm hinge]

on desktop you can't see it unless you've joined the thread already

[late delta]

update your client

[warm hinge]

also it's not even in quick switcher

[light canyon]

Threads in top right of the channel screen

[warm hinge]

strange because discord shows it if I am in the thread

lemme restart

[spare heath]

you saw the notification settings in the context menu right?

[fair minnow]

yeah but I still get the unread ping

[late delta]

yeah, you can't see it in your channel list if you haven't jooined

[fair minnow]

if I have it on "no notifications"

[warm hinge]

oh so it does actually show users

[warm hinge]

but it doesn't show in quick switcher still

[late delta]

you can do this too

oh no, it's my channel list!

[warm hinge]

hey discord remember when you were talking about how great the quick switcher was

[hot valley]

light mode, it burns, it burns!

[light canyon]

I want to be super clear here in advance… threads are not an excuse to break or bend the rules here and regardless of if you do or don’t like threads throwing slurs towards the Discord developers isn’t acceptable.

[warm hinge]

and it was your hot new feature

can you remember to support it

[late delta]

moderated microcosm of the server

I agree though

[hot valley]

Isn't Ctrl+K the kwik switcher?

[warm hinge]

yes

[spare heath]

it is for me

[hot valley]

I use it

[warm hinge]

well it's not showing up for me

[spare heath]

ctrl-R?

[late delta]

I fail to see how threads do anything but split up conversation

whether that's a good or bad thing depends on how much conversation there is

pretty high threshold imo

[spare heath]

if we had had threads years ago we might have used them for certain types of discussion like #quick-questions

[warm hinge]

so after two reloads the quick switcher now works I guess

[light canyon]

I think it will take time to figure out the best ways to use threads. I doubt they will be a “use anywhere and anytime” feature on this server.

[lapis nimbus]

this sidebar feels like poor placement for a secondary conversation though

[warm hinge]

so who's ready for the question of "how much more RAM does the client use?"

[spare heath]

@solemn sonnet btw, since you were so curious earlier, here's a live one

[hot valley]

Yeah, Discord is an Electron program and has all the bugs associated with webtech, sometimes you gotta restart or re-install.

[late delta]

ctrl+shift+r

[lapis nimbus]

maybe it's just because i'ts all the way over on the right monitor though

[late delta]

clear your caches

[fair minnow]

threads don't apply to message rate limits

[lapis nimbus]

that seems problematic

[warm hinge]

oh wonderful

[fair minnow]

so you could put a 15min cooldown mode for #quick-questions, and make everyone make threads to answer the question

[lapis nimbus]

oh, hmm

[fair minnow]

and it wouldn't be 15 min cooldown inside the thread

[lapis nimbus]

is there a separate cooldown in threads if its' needed?

[lapis nimbus]

pins being on a second level menu kinda sucks

[light canyon]

There. Now you have slowmode

[warm hinge]

yeah but stickers. Don't you just love stickers

[lapis nimbus]

oh, looks like it does indeed have all the things

[fair minnow]

sloW

[light canyon]

And now it is off

[lapis nimbus]

oh i see, you can open it up as a full screen thing too

i like that much more

[hot valley]

The magic of normal threads in a submenu

[fair minnow]

overall, I think threads are a plus

[warm hinge]

how do you open it up on the side?

[fair minnow]

click the message

[lapis nimbus]

i clicked on the embed for it

[late delta]

click on the bubble, yes

[lapis nimbus]

and it opened up in a right hand sidebar

[fair minnow]

#offtopic message

[warm hinge]

yeah but I have a feeling that we'll never actually be able to utilize them in big discords

and therefore will be completely useless

[lapis nimbus]

so, whenthe thread... ends... what happens to the messages?

[spare heath]

@hot valley test for you

[lapis nimbus]

are they still in search?

[narrow cipher]

they get archived

[fair minnow]

yeah I'm not sure
I think for small personal servers it's much less relevant

[warm hinge]

I think that would be the main draw

[lapis nimbus]

archive good 👍

[fair minnow]

oh this is cringe, there's no swipe right to get channel list while in a thread

[narrow cipher]

yes, just tested it

[fair minnow]

wow, such inconsistency

[lapis nimbus]

ctrl+f in here seems to think i'm still in offtopic, so i guess they'll fall into that search

which is probalby good

[fair minnow]

mobile has separate modes for "view as channel" and "view as subchannel" with very small annoying differences

[spare heath]

@scarlet panther test

well, that shows how that works

[lapis nimbus]

👢

[warm hinge]

so in the small servers it's not needed, and in the big servers users won't be able to actually create their own threads so it'll never get used

so... what's the draw

[narrow cipher]

maybe events?

[fair minnow]

I can see applications

[hot valley]

Events, questions, off topics

[spare heath]

We've locked it down because we're conservative like that, other servers probably haven't been so...slow

[fair minnow]

like on several servers there's #hey-look for projects people are making, and then #general or #hey-look-discussions is used for conversation about it

[warm hinge]

Meh none of the big ones I've seen use it

Granted I'm only really active in a few servers

[solemn sonnet]

THREADS

[lapis nimbus]

actually, i could see us using it in mod-making for some of our diversions 🤔

[fair minnow]

can you set it to not expire

[warm hinge]

I think the better thing would be to have something where a user can maybe only have like 3 threads open at a time?

That way it doesn't get spammy

[spare heath]

It's only available to a small % of Community servers so far

[warm hinge]

not sure if the mods can set that or if the bot would have to do it

[warm hinge]

Well they're partnered

And they're bigger than this server iirc

[lapis nimbus]

hmm, so what's the ideal lifetime of a thread? 🤔

[fair minnow]

i got it in r/ph, a parented server i ran

partnered

[solemn sonnet]

seems useful for stuff like #quick-questions where you have a few back and forth convos going at once

[warm hinge]

Yeah but if users can't actually use it then what's the point

[lapis nimbus]

yeah, q-q seems like the most obvious possible usecase

can you make a thread inside a thread?

[warm hinge]

I don't think so?

that would be hilarious though

[solemn sonnet]

you cant! but it would be cool!

[warm hinge]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the client didn't let you do it but the API would let you do it

[lapis nimbus]

we must go deeper!

[fading temple]

Oh no.. I cant get rid of that red dot

[warm hinge]

Check the API docs

[fading temple]

oh it went away lmao

[warm hinge]

oh fun fact - discord supports sed

[fading temple]

ah bc im officilaly in this hnow

[warm hinge]

test

[slender quail]

Hehehe

[warm hinge]

Update - it apparently does not support sed on mobile

[fair minnow]

are you on android or ios

[solemn sonnet]

[lapis nimbus]

but anyway, in addition to the q-q style quick-fire threads which presumably would last on the order of 10s of minutes or so, i was thinking about long-running (or recurring?) threads for stuff like "but what is a type" or phobos or debugger or such "side" conversations in #mod-dev-discussion

[fair minnow]

it's only on ios

[warm hinge]

Oh

[upbeat oar]

Bepis

[fair minnow]

safly

[upbeat oar]

So a thread is just a temporary channel?

[fair minnow]

yeah

[narrow cipher]

huh i haven't heard of "sed" before

s/before before, does this work?

[warm hinge]

You need a second slash

[lapis nimbus]

s/find/replace/

[narrow cipher]

s//after testtesttesttesttest

[warm hinge]

bruh

just look up the manpage :P

[lapis nimbus]

so i can say "bar/" and then when i do s/foo/bar/ then...

🤔 that shouldn'thave made a / there

[rustic vine]

it doesn’t work like regular regex, can’t use the trailing slash

But still kinda cool

[lapis nimbus]

real sed takes it, iirc

[warm hinge]

@lapis nimbus I mean their implementation probably isn't compliant

[lapis nimbus]

though it has admittedly been a while since i've used it

[warm hinge]

check SysV sed

[rustic vine]

Requires it afaik

[lapis nimbus]

yeah, that's what i thought too

[rustic vine]

Otherwise it assumes your replacement is unterminated

I think vim is the same

[warm hinge]

also doesn't it only find replace the first occurance?

[lapis nimbus]

yeah youd end with /g for all

[rustic vine]

Try with /g at the end maybe

[warm hinge]

yeah

[rustic vine]

I’m on iOS so can’t be arsed to type this shit myself

[warm hinge]

I've never tried that on here

[lapis nimbus]

at least, in the real thing

[warm hinge]

Autocorrect moment

[signal yarrow]

this seems like a mess for moderators to follow

also hi

[lapis nimbus]

is there a wya to get to the sidebar view other than through the embed?

[warm hinge]

I still haven't even been able to get to the regular sidebar view

[lapis nimbus]

so if you open up #offtopic as normal, and click on the embed in ironcart's message that started the thread

[warm hinge]

a/g test

nope

[fading temple]

This thing?

[warm hinge]

apparently it's just some simple impl

[warm hinge]

yeah

clicking the embed in the threads tab literally just opens it up normally

[fading temple]

idki just got it 😂

now its like this..

[warm hinge]

what element did you click specifically

[fading temple]

idk, did u click the ...

[lapis nimbus]

the embed inside ironcart's message

[fading temple]

tahts how i can get it into full view

[lapis nimbus]

in the normal message view

[warm hinge]

is that the only way to get to it?

I'm clicking this

[fading temple]

yeah ... then open in split view

[lapis nimbus]

here

[warm hinge]

where is the ...

[lapis nimbus]

oh

[fading temple]

next to pinned messages, mute thing

[warm hinge]

https://i.imgur.com/uzv59Dk.png

I wish you could just do it from here

[solemn sonnet]

inside the the thread

[warm hinge]

oh there we go

[lapis nimbus]

that's terrible

[warm hinge]

that is... incredibly unintuitive

[lapis nimbus]

yeah there ought to be a way to do it from not inside it and also after it's gone off screen

[warm hinge]

there's literally no way to get it into the sidebar unless you open it normally and then sidebar it

or click the original message

[lapis nimbus]

yeah

[warm hinge]

I wish it was like their implementation of streams

[solemn sonnet]

unrelated to sidebarin it, you cant ctrl+k to search for threads

[lapis nimbus]

there's a setting

but it was already on

[warm hinge]

where you could like, drag windows around

[lapis nimbus]

so i guess that would just turn off the embed making a split

[warm hinge]

like you know how in Photoshop you can drag and dock literally anything anywhere

or just leave it floating

[lapis nimbus]

oh man, flashback to Trillian there :p

[warm hinge]

I was something like that

[lapis nimbus]

am i old?

[warm hinge]

no because they still update it

[lapis nimbus]

wait they do?!?!

[lapis nimbus]

what does it even connect to anymore?

[solemn sonnet]

@fading temple

welcome back

[lapis nimbus]

aim/icq are dead, msn is dead i think? yahoo im is dead

[warm hinge]

oh nice apparently the Esc key in sidebar threads is broken

[fading temple]

Now i have to open it in split-view again, hm

[lapis nimbus]

i guess it did jabber and irc which still... exist

[warm hinge]

in normal channels you can just hit Esc and it will jump you to the bottom of the channel

[fading temple]

could be improved but its nice

[warm hinge]

but if you have a sidebar thread and you hit esc it just closes the thread

rather than jumping you to the bottom

[warm hinge]

didn't it start as an irc client?

[lapis nimbus]

as i remember the history it started as an eveyrthing client

and based on my own usage it was a rather mediocre irc client

[solemn sonnet]

split view is so nice i wanna be able to split channels and stuff

[lapis nimbus]

and i say that as a fan of it

[warm hinge]

I mean, is there such a thing as a "good" IRC client

[warm hinge]

yeah the "drag and drop anything everywhere" would be great

[fading temple]

the bell in the sidebar is better

it has multiple options

[warm hinge]

so is there a global setting to not receive notifs for all msgs in threads?

or do I have to manually set it for each thread

[fading temple]

I muted the entire offtopic thing

I mute most servers but not here since I want #announcements

[late delta]

I know that from GIMP

hehe, must have borrowed significant amounts of code from group DMs

[hot valley]

@spare heath

[fair minnow]

the android app lets me set the slow mode for the channel

[warm hinge]

I wonder if docking stuff like that is a native feature in gtk

[fair minnow]

and then fails with toast notification

[solemn sonnet]

lol

[lapis nimbus]

so, DiscordWM when?

[late delta]

I would not be surprised

given that gtk is a spinoff from a GIMP thing iirc

[spare heath]

hrm?

[solemn sonnet]

xmonad, but for discord

!!!

he's been demoded

[late delta]

ahahaha

[narrow cipher]

now they can't ban me! /s

[solemn sonnet]

ehehe

[scarlet panther]

testing

so much testing

[spare heath]

interestingly it seems that the Thread permissions require Moderator specifically and aren't enabled by having admin perms

[warm hinge]

[solemn sonnet]

frankly, ridiculous

[warm hinge]

I wish discord perms were like UNIX files

probably sounds insane but I feel like it could work

[fading temple]

ugh.. even if i have the entire offtopic category muted it still gives me that red dot

[solemn sonnet]

what red dot?

[fading temple]

the server is muted too

this one

[solemn sonnet]

oop

[spare heath]

okay I have missed this color

[solemn sonnet]

what the heck i want that color

its so pretty

[lapis nimbus]

ooh that is a nice color

[late delta]

yee

mods: rate me on a scale from 1-10 at how good I would be at moderating

or how bad, rather

[narrow cipher]

if i were to choose a color i'd pick green #03fc13

[solemn sonnet]

someone says bots are better than belts what do u do yay

if u were mod

[late delta]

ignore them unless it's completely out of the blue

in which case chastise them

(I am being serious, btw)

[solemn sonnet]

wrong answer. promote them to mod. they have strong sensibilities

[narrow cipher]

"bots are better than belts"
mod pleaseeee /s

[solemn sonnet]

wait you'd chastize someone for saying bots are better than belts outta the blue?

gonna test

[hot valley]

Bots or belts, the answer is trains obvs.

Bots or belts, I can't choo-choose.

[late delta]

+a few extenuating factors

[signal yarrow]

We need bot trains

Just flying trains

[solemn sonnet]

yoooo

[narrow cipher]

remove the hitbox, make the tracks nearly invisible, and move the sprite upward, renai does most of that already i'm pretty sure, idk mods though, wait, this is different

[signal yarrow]

Lets just slap on like a hundred flying frames to a cargo wagon

[late delta]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Dirigible

[signal yarrow]

And have it float across the factory

[solemn sonnet]

i dont wanna have to lay tracks tho

[strong bear]

why would anyone be upset at the idea of threads?

[narrow cipher]

too hard to moderate maybe?

[lapis nimbus]

bad experience with other implementations

[solemn sonnet]

ive been chastised >>

[late delta]

it's a bit of a feature that's difficult to use and also half-assed

[lapis nimbus]

see also: Teams

[gusty vortex]

Huh, I had assumed that threads were just a view of a reply chain in a channel. I didn't realize that the messages you posted here would be separate.

I thought it was just a nifty auto-reply feature

[unkempt sigil]

So what you mean to tell me is that this entire thing is just... more channels

[narrow cipher]

well, except they archive after some time unused

[unkempt sigil]

Actually, that's something I kinda wanna test. Does anyone have a private server with threads in it that they can just bloat a category - or entire server - with meaningless channels, then try to make a thread?

[signal yarrow]

Something interesting i noticed about this thread is that it pings me on mobile even tho i have this discord muted

[unkempt sigil]

oh no

[signal yarrow]

Shits busted

[unkempt sigil]

yeah I just got a ping too

by default when you join a thread the notification sounds are on for all messages... interesting

I wonder if there's a server setting for that

[light canyon]

Google how to make that happen. There are specific instructions to have a server that can test threads. Most non community servers are getting this rolled out slowly

[lapis nimbus]

it defaulted to mentions only for me

[unkempt sigil]

strange

[unkempt sigil]

I mean it would be as "simple" as making a bot make channels until it can't, but.... 😅

[light canyon]

lol

[unkempt sigil]

you can mention threads, just like channels, and it specifies which channel it comes from

Basically all I'm getting out of this is Discord added channels that use a channel as its own category, and they go away after a certain length of inactivity.

[gusty vortex]

More channels!

[unkempt sigil]

who doesn't want more channels?

[lapis nimbus]

oh they archive on their own? i figured it was gonna be a manual thing

how long do they have to sit to expire?

[gusty vortex]

I saw a thing where some freenode rooms migrated to Discord, and went from a single room to like 3 gazillion channels, and everybody hated it.

[lapis nimbus]

most discords i've seen have far too many channels

[solemn sonnet]

agreed

[lapis nimbus]

everyone likes pre-emptively carving up discussions and gets waaaaay too carried away with it

[unkempt sigil]

varies based on what is set when the thread is made

[lapis nimbus]

to the point that it becomes detrimental because people are simply not exposed to most of them

[unkempt sigil]

and some options are locked behind boosting in the server lol

[gusty vortex]

I actually made a server for my mods, then made separate categories for each mod, and made a general, bug reports, and feature requests channel for each mod. There were like 40 channels. I never actually advertised it and eventually deleted it because I couldn't be bothered.

[solemn sonnet]

or the main channel is just people signposting to other (largely inactive) channels

[light canyon]

Discord needs to make money somehow

[unkempt sigil]

I do like the fact that the thread is only visible if you're viewing the channel it's based on

Can there be multiple threads to a channel?

[gusty vortex]

Yeah

[light canyon]

Yes

[gusty vortex]

That's the whole point!

I could make another thread just to make fun of this thread 😛

[light canyon]

You can also have private threads

[unkempt sigil]

interesting

...another question

What is the thread limit to a single channel?

[narrow cipher]

requres :moneybag: though i'm pretty sure

[light canyon]

There is a thread limit. I don’t know it though

[unkempt sigil]

time to make Test 2, Test 3, Test 4, etc...?

[solemn sonnet]

25 threads per channel iirc

[late delta]

how many channels per category

[light canyon]

It is unlikely we will hit the limit. I don’t think we will ever allow normal users to create their own channels here

[unkempt sigil]

50

[late delta]

and how many categories per server

and how many servers per user 🤔

[unkempt sigil]

100

200 for boosters maybe?

er

nitro users*

sorry

[unkempt sigil]

categories effectively count as channels as well based on how discord works, I believe a server is capped at 250 channels

which is horrific to imagine

source on these numbers: I do a lot of research for discord bot purposes - so for shits and giggles

[late delta]

I bet the MMX discord is getting close :)

(as bobby would say)

[kind depot]

They should change the cap to 256

[late delta]

255

[unkempt sigil]

If you were to limit it, but not beyond just mods and maybe devs... who would you limit it too?

[solemn sonnet]

can you have a server with 0 channels

[unkempt sigil]

yes

[kind depot]

yes, I'm in one

[solemn sonnet]

olivia said create "channels" not "create threads" so im hoping she was specifically talking about channels

[unkempt sigil]

I feel threads were meant here, not allowing them to make their own channels is basic

quite an obvious restriction

because if they can make their own channels, they'd be able to delete them too.

[solemn sonnet]

what

[unkempt sigil]

this, even though Olivia said "channels" instead of "threads" I'd assume "threads" was the intended wording

[solemn sonnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

threads seem nice

i hope they're allowed

[light canyon]

That’s something we will have to discover. Right now only mods.

[unkempt sigil]

Is there a permission exclusive to threads? Or is it tied to Manage Channels?

[fading temple]

ugh, currently have to mute the channel offtopic so it doesnt give me the red dot

[solemn sonnet]

imagine not muting offtic already

[fading temple]

now that doesnt even work lol

[unkempt sigil]

have to mute the thread itself

or just leave the thread lol

[gusty vortex]

I don't see a context option to mute the thread

[fading temple]

It is muted!

its on nothing

[unkempt sigil]

oh

[solemn sonnet]

that's notifications. honestly im not even sure what the red dot is i dont get that stuff

[fading temple]

its just saying i have an unread message

theres a ping, then the sound, then just hte dot

[narrow cipher]

i heard that leaving the thread can remove all those, does that work?

[fading temple]

i think leaving will fix it

[light canyon]

Manage Threads

Is the permission

[unkempt sigil]

interesting

noted, thank you

[onyx isle]

can you guys let regular users make threads

pls

[late delta]

no.

[onyx isle]

why not

it would fix the derailing problem that happens in #vanilla-chat constantly

[solemn sonnet]

i agree, it would be quite nice

[onyx isle]

I see no reason not to let us make them

[late delta]

(not a mod, opinions my own) would you let normal users create channels?

[onyx isle]

no

threads don't work like channels though

[unkempt sigil]

A thread is just a temporary channel

[onyx isle]

you don't even see the threads in ur channel list unless you specifically join them

[unkempt sigil]

I can see names being used to post inappropriate shit by trolls and it's never caught by mods, unless they can always see all threads (they prob can if they have admin)

[solemn sonnet]

that would take the same effort to moderate as moderating making a chat message with inappropriate content

[late delta]

one way to solve it would be forum-esque reply chains

as an alternate view for threads

[fading temple]

you can have special people/special role to make them

[solemn sonnet]

i think fearing them is an overreaction

[unkempt sigil]

yes and now you thin out the mods even more

[onyx isle]

you can click the channel icon to list all the threads of the channel

[solemn sonnet]

what? i can go post inaprop stuff in a regular comment

there is 0 difference here

[onyx isle]

I really don't think it'll be that hard to moderate

[narrow cipher]

maybe only people who have been here for 2+ months and are trusted?

[onyx isle]

mods threads wouldn't have that many messages int hem

[onyx isle]

yeah this

[fading temple]

thats low

[onyx isle]

I mean

I'm pretty sure like 70% of this server is inactive

and most people who have been here that long wouldn't take the effort to troll

[narrow cipher]

its mostly the same people and a lot of beginners talking

[onyx isle]

yeah

pretty much

overall though

I really love this threads feature

[solemn sonnet]

same

[onyx isle]

it's been a needed feature for a loooongg time

[solemn sonnet]

im mad my server doesnt have them

[onyx isle]

there's been too many instances where there were like 5 conversations in a channel going at a time and it was hard to keep track

[solemn sonnet]

and every post was a reply to one of the 5 different convos lol

[onyx isle]

lol fr

[late delta]

I always feel bad when I'm in one of them

like I'm intruding

[solemn sonnet]

we all appreciate you yay

[light canyon]

That requires us to actually have that functionality lol

[onyx isle]

AHEM

[narrow cipher]

couldn't you create a roll that allows creating threads and have a bot add people to the roll after 2 months?

[onyx isle]

mee6 levelling

you can disable the level up messages

[light canyon]

Yeah but we’d need to add it and honestly I’m not a fan of leveling

[onyx isle]

why not?

I don't think people would spam the threads that much imo

[light canyon]

I don’t think number of messages is a good measure of competency

[onyx isle]

mods can close threads relatively easily

[late delta]

I think that they either encourage artificial conversation or are completely useless imo

[onyx isle]

I mean in my experience it doesn't really

I guess yeah let all users use threads

it probably wouldn't be that much of an issue

[narrow cipher]

spam might become an issue, if theres a small wait before gaining access, i'd think that might reduce spam if threads were enabled

[onyx isle]

yeah

regardless I think threads are necessary here

[light canyon]

I don’t think I want lots of threads though in every channel

[fading temple]

We have 2 main ontopic channels so you can spread it out htere

[onyx isle]

it's nto visible in ur channel list unless you go out of yoru way to join them

[fading temple]

then if th econversation is long you can take it to #blueprint-designing

[narrow cipher]

i disagree, threads would be a cool and nice thing to have to split up conversations from #quick-questions and #vanilla-chat but we don't need it or anything

[light canyon]

As a moderator that actually makes me more cautious

[onyx isle]

yeah but in my experience in this server #vanilla-chat gets derailed pretty frequently

and people aren't really willing to move to another channel

[light canyon]

Threads is something that will come here in some form or another but it will take time for us as a team to know what we want to do with them

[onyx isle]

yeah take as much time as you need 👍

[fading temple]

yeah, more than 50% of the time once someone says #offtopic it doesnt go there and stops dead

[narrow cipher]

ok, i'm interested to see the outcome

[onyx isle]

If you click on the # icon on the channel list it shows all the threads

it shows if there's a thread going on in a chanel as well

[light canyon]

At the moment I personally am feeling a thread per announcement and a thread per muted user which would be nicer than how muted users are currently handled

[onyx isle]

ohhhh

thread per announcement is interesting

I never thought about using them that way

[fading temple]

thread for discussing moderation in #moderation-desk would be nice

[light canyon]

And a secret thread for moderators to break follow the rules in

[onyx isle]

yeah

[late delta]

announcement discussion is really interesting!

[narrow cipher]

first part reminds me of reddit a little bit

[onyx isle]

then you can create a FFF thread instead of a channel for it maybe?

[fading temple]

usually its like in #vanilla-chat #quick-questions #offtopic and #more-offtopic at the same time, for the steam gaming thing atleast

[onyx isle]

since FFF's are posted in announcements

[light canyon]

That is the idea I’d like to do

Not sure how amazing it will be but worth a shot

[fading temple]

isnt #friday-facts supposed to be that?

but its just a meme channel

[onyx isle]

lol

I don't think we even need it anymore

FFF's aren't posted weekly anymore

[light canyon]

I didn’t hear that

[lapis nimbus]

there is no meme channel in ba sing se

[onyx isle]

wait can bots create threads

[fading temple]

alt-f4 brings more memes factorio to us

[onyx isle]

if they can then that's amazing, a lot of possibilities

[onyx isle]

alt f4 doesn't have the same energy to it

imo

[gusty vortex]

Here's the problem with threads: We've strayed from the thread's original "topic" and now it's just another channel instead of a thread.

I guess this one didn't have a "topic", but I can see that happening with real threads too.

[fading temple]

i think threads are gonna be like permanent new channels that are just harder to access

[onyx isle]

I mean tbh I don't think it would last long

threads are most likely only gonna be populated with like 2-3 people

[lean fossil]

Aha, here we go

[lapis nimbus]

yeah being "the thread" makes this one an oddity

[onyx isle]

threads automatically close in 24 hrs iirc

[late delta]

there are two main issues

[onyx isle]

and mods can easily close threads if it has been going too long

[late delta]

1. we don't have insider factorio info

and 2) we rely on volunteers to write whatever they want

[narrow cipher]

pretty sure it can also be set to autoclose after 1

[onyx isle]

yeah

[solemn sonnet]

the person who opened the tread can close it

[onyx isle]

ehhh

[solemn sonnet]

but look -- we're talking about threads and #offtopic is untouched

[onyx isle]

not sure if I agree with that tbh

[solemn sonnet]

thats good

[onyx isle]

like what if 4 ppl join a thread

and then the one that made it suddenly decides to close it for no reason

[narrow cipher]

i wouldn't say it untouched, i'd say mitigated

[solemn sonnet]

exactly!

its a net win

[onyx isle]

I think thas has unofficially just become the place to talk about threads

[narrow cipher]

metathread

[solemn sonnet]

that's the exact point of threads!

[onyx isle]

yea

[solemn sonnet]

a place for a transient, short lived convo

[gusty vortex]

Aw, I can't rename the thread

I wanted to name it "Thread thread"

[onyx isle]

lmao

[scarlet panther]

Loose thread

[solemn sonnet]

the creator of the thread can

eheheh

[onyx isle]

inb4 power hungry minimods start making threads just so they can control the conversation

[fading temple]

I doubt most people will be able to make threads

[late delta]

@scarlet panther that make me chuckle thanks

[solemn sonnet]

i hope they can! im in the rust server and anyone can make threads

[onyx isle]

like in this server?

[scarlet panther]

anytime. i love puns and names

[fading temple]

yeah

[lapis nimbus]

snip

[fading temple]

maybe a new role for a select few people to be minimods

[scarlet panther]

yea, thatd be clever ;]

[solemn sonnet]

the rust server is way bigger than this one and they're handing it fine

[onyx isle]

I don't think it would be an issue letting everyone make threads

because like this is a relatively calm server

[solemn sonnet]

i think you fear threads too much

[onyx isle]

there aren't as many trolls/toxicity in here as might be in other servers

[fading temple]

everyone? i see 50 threads coming up right away

[onyx isle]

that's because it's a new feature

it'll calm down after a while

is there a cap on the numnber of threads that can be made?

[unkempt sigil]

petition to temporarily change #offtopic to be called "spool"

[light canyon]

I wonder just how many mods they have watching threads

[solemn sonnet]

im not sure! do you all need more mods?

seems they have 3 moderators online rn

[mint silo]

it's nice that channels with threads have an additional icon on it to show it has active threads

multithreading when

[light canyon]

Banned for making a terrible joke like that

[strong bear]

ogey rrat

[warm hinge]

you want 3 threads consuming 700MB of RAM?

I'd prefer just the one but ok

[solemn lark]

The great thing about threads is that you can tell who is lurking (mostly).

[unkempt sigil]

yes

[solemn lark]

Oh, people don't actually show up on the member list until they speak so actually that's an invalid point.

[light canyon]

Perfect for knowing who the trouble makers are

[unkempt sigil]

So me, right?

[light canyon]

That’s classified

[unkempt sigil]

Damn

mfw cat wants to play but it's 3am and I wanna sleep

[solemn lark]

Hmmm

[scarlet panther]

very conveluted

[solemn lark]

Seems like a perfect opportunity to give the lovely folks with the . role the use private threads setting :)

[scarlet panther]

working through the facets

[solemn lark]

Well, you certainly don't want to be using them until your moderation bots are updated to view/manage them

[warped bloom]

there aren't as many trolls/toxicity in here as might be in other servers
and even less in the rust server, I'd expect ?

[mint silo]

which rust? the game, or the language?

[warped bloom]

oh, right, there's that game too... 😅

[solemn lark]

The game Rust is all about toxicity so I'd bet that server would either be completely locked down or just horrific.

[light canyon]

My moderation bots are fully autonomous. You see them floating around with yellow names now and again. :p We don’t really have any bots like that.

[solemn lark]

@spare heath Haha you got called a bot :)

[warped bloom]

hmm, those auto-notifications are a bit much...

[solemn lark]

Must be a bug, because my notifs for threads are set to only mentions and I still get the notifs for them.

[warped bloom]

I mean, technically not full Discord-notifications, but text popping up in the parent channel distracting you from what you're currently reading

also the switching makes really glaring the issue with Discord not remembering where you were (another Web standard broken ?)

[solemn lark]

Ah, I'm currently on Linux discord so most of my usual keybinds are being used by something else.

[warped bloom]

maybe they should have fixed those instead of rolling new undercooked features ?

[warped bloom]

oh, for instance ?

[solemn lark]

That's like saying "maybe the devs should have fixed their bugs before rolling into early access?"

This is the reason they only rollout features to 5% or 10% of servers at the beginning.

[solemn lark]

Ctrl + Alt + arrow keys for switching between servers or DMs is one common thing I like to use but can't because of some weird Linux tab switcher thing.

[warped bloom]

ugh, super-distracting

[solemn lark]

And then Ctrl + Shift + Alt + arrow keys straight up does nothing.

[warped bloom]

those two issues aren't specific to sub-threads

[solemn lark]

Why?

[warped bloom]

...because they aren't ?

[solemn lark]

I'm probably misunderstanding what you mean then.

[warped bloom]

1.) back & forward buttons

2.) not remembering location in conversation = page

[mint silo]

... to be fair, ctrl shift alt arrow keys only shakes the window to me

[solemn lark]

I'm not saying that these are to do with threads. I was just making a point that I can't test it because I'm on a different OS.

[mint silo]

but that's because I always have zero mentions

[solemn lark]

Ctrl shift alt arrow keys is meant to navigate through unread channels in a server so maybe it does that when you have no unreads?

[warped bloom]

it shakes up mine quite a bit, since it seems to be Ubuntu's shortcut for... what are they called... "desktops" ?

[mint silo]

there's no ctrl if it's just unread channels

[warped bloom]

no, wait, is it a weird Alt+Tab ??

[solemn lark]

Oh that's right, ctrl alt shift arrow keys is unread channels with mentions.

[warped bloom]

how would 1.) and 2.) be OS-specific ?? (as long as you're on desktop for 1.) )

[solemn lark]

I mostly stick with ctrl alt arrow keys and shift arrow keys tbh.

...as I stated previously, because Ubuntu already uses a bunch of these shortcuts that Discord is trying to use, for other stuff, I can't use them in Discord. But in Windows I can. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal :P

[warped bloom]

I'm still not talking about the keyboard shortcut issues that you raised (any more***)*** - I have the same issues.

[solemn lark]

I have no idea what is being asked or communicated anymore :/

[warped bloom]

1.) back & forward buttons
2.) not remembering location in conversation = page
1.) specifically, since 2.) should work regardless of your input peripherals

[mint silo]

are you opening discord through a web browser? the browser might have eaten your keypresses

[warped bloom]

I'm not

back & forward work for channels - the issue is that they should work for (in-Discord) links too (or instead)

[solemn lark]

Oooh, got it, my mistake. Sorry about that.

[warped bloom]

No problem, I could have been more explicit

oh no, now that I messed with "desktops", alt-tab is wonky because looks like I moved some programs to other "desktops" 😅

[solemn lark]

Also when I am busy in another server and someone says something in here I still get that fucking white dot appearing next to this server icon. Indeed super annoying. It does make me rather amused regarding Discord almost conditioning people as a side effect of their pings/notification graphics.

Are you on Windows?

[warped bloom]

no ^

[solemn lark]

Whoops, dumb question.

[spare heath]

My 🤖 reaction was making the joke before Olivia did--you set it up for both of us :P

[mint silo]

oh wow even if I mute the channel, the thread still shows up

[solemn lark]

Yeah...