hybrid hinge
I've had a long chat with @craidie in #quick-questions today trying to understand the internal electric capacity of buildings. The amount of charge capacity seems related to power comsumption of a machine. Adding modules seems to have some weird effects on top of that which also seem not reproducible: #quick-questions message
Any discussion, explanation and experimentation on that would be welcome.
dry blaze
have you looked into the prototypes with ctrl shift e
unless its just a constant that depends on a different value
hybrid hinge
have you looked into the prototypes with ctrl shift e
I've looked at CTRL + Shift + F but those numbers were 0 for me while not for others.
My current approach for experimenting.
dry blaze
and from the looks of it youre still not in editor
hybrid hinge
and from the looks of it youre still not in editor
I had issues Ctrl+shift+F giving different data for me then others.
I have no idea what editor you talk about
dry blaze
/editor
hybrid hinge
And how does that help me?
dry blaze
gives you access to time tools as previously suggested
and more accurate control over how much power youre producing
you can use an energy interface to perfectly control power production down to watts
and you can use the time tools to advance time by a single tick whenever you want
use those to test on like 10 different entities / machines and you should get at least some useful data
hybrid hinge
> you can use an energy interface to perfectly control power production down to ...
I have struggled with setting the capactiry of the energy interface usably
dry blaze
are watts too high ?
hybrid hinge
are watts too high ?
watks are matching consumption exactly but there is no charging peak when i only using electrivits interface
hybrid hinge
mhh the power grid overwiev graoh doesn't update every frame.
Wow that is quite a spike.
That height of the spike changes with zoom level makes dubious about reading things from graphs.
hybrid hinge
New measurement idea: Drain almost an entire accumulator with only capacitance of things while balancing having the power consumptopn exactly via solar (it's always day)
Do that with two different ratios of calculator pieces and then solve the resulting equations for both values.
Nevermind those don't add up exactly.
Ofcourse it is not exactly 1kw more like 1006 or 1008 W 🙁
dry blaze
well buffer capacity is there, but unlisted (assembler 3)
means it relies on another value to set the machines default
while buildings with a changed buffer size like the roboport do have a listed buffer size like this
hybrid hinge
well buffer capacity is there, but unlisted (assembler 3)
Some things with a buffer capacity of 0 according to this do have a buffer capacity though. Don't ask me why or how but you can drain GJ using combinators capacitance.
hybrid hinge
Tell me more about that.
dry blaze
some of those would be combinators and roboports for example
hybrid hinge
Where can i seen the overwritten value?
hybrid hinge
some of those would be combinators and roboports for example
Do you have an explanation why chemical plant show a 0 there for me too? #quick-questions message
dry blaze
because its buffer size was not changed to something else manually
so it uses the default value
wherever that comes from is tbd
the fuckers over there have more insight
hybrid hinge
I have no access to that
hybrid hinge
Is there any explanation for combinators not fully draining when unpowered?
dry blaze
there was a recent change with those, so you might have luck in changelogs from like 3months ago
hybrid hinge
2.0.7:
Received a UI overhaul.
Now displays input signals when configuring combinators.
Signals used by combinators can now be filtered between red, green, or both.
Seems unrelated.
hybrid hinge
2.0.72
Date: 22.10.2025
Changes
Decider combinator, arithmetic combinator and selector combinator are now primary energy consumers and have buffer size increased to make them more reliable in case of low power.
Reduced selector combinator energy usage from 5kW to 1kW.
When using "Entity tooltip delay", the timer is also reset when moving the camera or the character. Fixes blinking entity tooltip when moving.
I went by the wiki first.
dry blaze
this does not explain why they wouldnt fully drain tho
maybe just a special piece of code to prevent them losing their contents
hybrid hinge
maybe just a special piece of code to prevent them losing their contents
That special bit of code seems to cause trouble in my measurements 😄
hybrid hinge
That special bit of code seems to cause trouble in my measurements 😄
My work around is recreating them every time. 🙂 Maybe i am superstitious, i stopped experimenting for today but i recall something like that
hybrid hinge
Okay it bothered me that i didn't know. So yeah, here is a video. different drain whether it is the first time or the non-first time.
dry blaze
buffer size is roughly ≈1.102x of the energy usage per tick
does this check out with what you measured
hybrid hinge
buffer size is roughly ≈1.102x of the energy usage per tick
does this check out ...
I will go over the number tomorrow.