Wait, what?

[viral flare]

What are you even doing to cause the extra messages to appear?

[topaz drift]

Oh, I get it. Undo construction order has been randomized?

Thats cursed.

[cold zinc]

@ exfret new randomizer idea just dropped

[viral flare]

somehow, exfret hasn't randomized the names yet
CCCCC has been doing this since 23/01/2026

[neon agate]

Are you fast replacing the pipes from left to right by any chance?

[celest meadow]

what names?

[viral flare]

the item names

[celest meadow]

I did...

[viral flare]

you did?

👏

[celest meadow]

Have you not looked at the mod options?

[viral flare]

I haven't loaded up the mod or installed it

[celest meadow]

Well, you won't see others playing with the setting on then either (for obvious reasons 😛 )

[viral flare]

mainly because I'm mostly working on my own mod right now

[cold zinc]

Its absolutely unplayable with it on. I love it

[celest meadow]

I thought so myself until someone played with that AND icons randomized and got to space and did some planet stuff before quitting

...on max chaos

@viral flare

Also, if you want truly unplayable there is randomized colors

[viral flare]

shuffles the names of everything in the game
you don't even randomly generate new names, you shuffle them
CCCCC has been randomly generating new names since 23/01/2026

[celest meadow]

"randomly" generating isn't what a randomizer does, that's procedural generation, which admittedly does involve randomness and there is overlap, but the point of a randomizer is to shuffle the existing game without needing to create new content ad hoc

Basically in a nutshell I'm not good enough to make c's everywhere in the game, that's just too hard

Although I did manage to make a duck localization one time

[viral flare]

welcome to planet Half Diagonal Rail everyone

not sure why it says to me that it's nauvis, it really shouldn't be doing that

[celest meadow]

Where? In the debug?

[viral flare]

yeah

[celest meadow]

Yeah if it's in the debug I can't really change that lol

[viral flare]

location-name: nauvis

not sure why it's there at all

[celest meadow]

Seems like it's recommended that you play with this setting on

[celest meadow]

because you turned on a debug setting to make that show up

It doesn't show up without you turning on a certain debug setting

[viral flare]

I don't remember turning it on, but I'll try to see if I can turn it off

wait vulcanus has cliff explosive ore now

[celest meadow]

didn't it always 😂

Just... in a different way

[viral flare]

even the achievements are randomized

[violet bay]

the undo queue has been... reversed

[cold zinc]

Who are you? This is a randomizer thread

[celest meadow]

Yeah was this the intention for your mod? Like, do you know how to replicate it. Asking for a friend.

[celest meadow]

Yeah, I always like to brag about how a lot of people just do item icons/names (and maybe that should be an option) but I went the extra step to do everything

[viral flare]

This one, I think. https://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/classes/LuaPlayer.html#undo_redo_stack

[violet bay]

intended no, know how i think?

the main mod has nothing to do with undo/redo. this is just compatibility work

[viral flare]

I think @violet bay can sympathise with you
since they're the creator of illiteracy (which removes all the localisation)

[violet bay]

actually the opposite, people keep asking 'why not do xyz' and i have to go bro no this just does one really specific thing

[celest meadow]

but read-only

[violet bay]

undo_redo_stack

[celest meadow]

Yeah tbh they were pretty comprehensive there

[celest meadow]

...technically what I said is correct but I see what I'm getting wrong now XD

it being read-only does not mean its members are

[viral flare]

it has methods

[celest meadow]

what's a method

[celest meadow]

Yes, I realized this precisly one minute ago

[violet bay]

:p

okay so its very annoying to do but its like java programming but you only have formal getters/removers and informal setters

get and remove is obv

items hold actions and each action is one thing 'place x, remove y, etc'

upgrading something is represented by a place and remove action on the same item

to add actions to the stack you need to set the undo_index in the action when it occurs. this includes build_entity, destroy, fast replacin, etc

[celest meadow]

ye I gathered as much