#Hello, is there someone happy to join
deep fjord
@broken nebula
I'll start a thread so we can chat without filling the entire combinator chat
broken nebula
Totally agree, thank You for this, hello!
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okay, so, is all clear? im failry new in topic and want to be as precise as possible to avoid any confusion
deep fjord
In the BP I pasted, there's three main types.
Two of which are visible on the map, one made of legacy rails, the other made of power switches.
The final one is the basic lamp display which you kind of want.
Technically there's a fourth where you display individual numbers in Display Panels, but thats less of a digit display and more of just displaying individual number signals like 1️⃣ or 3️⃣
Ah, so you'd like to display a clock?
broken nebula
For a beginning, would be cool, it is open idea, i just wanted to make it alive, now to make it momre beautiful i guess 😄
so yeah, i would love THIS to work
deep fjord
I mean, unfortunately the ingame lamps have very bad visibility/contrast during the day. Mostly at night they look nicer.
broken nebula
got You, not an issue tbh, i want to understand and make easily with not a thousand combinators, later i will a momd for visibility or whateever
deep fjord
Start with something like this. This is just for easy contrast.
All of them have the same condition, but need to be wired. I like to use the green wire so its less obvious.
broken nebula
the best thing in game for now i found so far is just mass lamp for contrast, but yeah, not a main problem
and here is my idea of contrast color from this contrasting circle color from arts
hah, so cool to have YOu, imm already happy that mmy ideas are at least looking in good direction
awesome
deep fjord
Next, you'll want to give specifically these three lamps the same Always On setting. Use whatever color you like. These lamps never change, no matter what number is displayed.
broken nebula
makes sense! nice catch
deep fjord
If you want to make this a bit easier, you can copy that little 13 segment lamp display I have in my BP.
Now, like a snail-shell spiral going inwards, we assign each segment a condition, the first being A = 1, the next B = 1, and so on.
Refer to the BP I posted if you are confused.
Important, the two lower left ones have the same, since they both change at the same time, and always to the same number we want to display.
broken nebula
yeah, got it, i CC always in pair, and GH not cause of 4 for example sounds loggical/ good for now
exactly, got this
deep fjord
Cool, now for the more difficult part.
This is a truth table. Essentially, what is says, is that for each number, N we want to display, like a "5" or "3", the Circles say that segment, like B or E needs to be ON.
broken nebula
ohhhhhhhhhh
yeah i can make it on my own after 5 or 30 on 5000 inutes xD, thank You for this
so basicly, slowly please, for 100% understanding
deep fjord
I can keep going, its no issue. We'll get to the clock soon, I promise xD
broken nebula
for number 1, light up those signals/lamps
etc. ?
deep fjord
exactly.
broken nebula
got it, cool, we can continue! ❤️
deep fjord
so the number 1 has the segments A, B on, and no others.
Alright.
Now those numbers on the right side, the "927" and the "1019" are the binary representation of all the times just the "A" segment needs to be on.
Its like saying "A" is on for 9, 8 ,7, 4,3,2,1,0
broken nebula
oh we can stop in this, slowly please
is it like 927 is summ of up signals made for 9 8 7 and so on?
deep fjord
oops, sorry, this is the brain-bending bit, I know.
deep fjord
is it like 927 is summ of up signals made for 9 8 7 and so on?
No. "927" is like saying 1110011111
which is the same as saying
ON ON ON _ _ _ ON ON ON ON ON
or
11100011111
If you look at the table, that refers to the A segment
broken nebula
yeah got this, so it is like let me geuess add all those values
wait wait let me check it
deep fjord
Just look at the A row for now.
deep fjord
Don't forget the 0 at the end, but yes.
deep fjord
Its just important for us, because the next step requires Bit shifting.
Its a little stupid we need to first store these numbers as a decimal that we can read, when all we need is like a ticker-tape with holes, aka. binary, so 111010101
That the reason for the "927" or "1019"
They each just represent a string of binary.
broken nebula
okay, it was nearly random number few minutes ago, and now i got it why is it 927, never heard about Bit shifting tho 😒
deep fjord
So, if we put for instance, into an 
our 927 >> 3, this then "shifts" our little ticker-tape string of "1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1" towards the right 3 places.
It then just becomes "1 1 1 0 0 1 1"
Its like it chops off the right-most 3 spots.
deep fjord
uhhh...I've honestly never done the math that way, but I'll check later if that works
broken nebula
okay, i just try to color every zone i encounter to make it as ordered as possible
dont wanna end in spaghetti knowledge as we all do in factorio first attempt XD
deep fjord
Now we take the result of 927 >> 3, and put that into a final arithmetic combinator that does that result " AND 1", this is another binary operation that just checks if the right-most position has a "1" in it.
ie.
1 1 1 0 0 1 1
AND 1
_________________
0 0 0 0 0 0 1
with me so far?
Now a question, what happens if instead >> 3, we do >> 6 ?
what does the top tape look like now when we do AND 1?
broken nebula
ggimme a mminute
deep fjord
the orignal was 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
broken nebula
we get chop off 6 number fromm right, so from
1 1 1 0 after chopping
can u please tell mme how You use this umm collumn alligned editor
deep fjord
and we if we do AND 1, what is the result?
oh that is just using a pair of ``` marks
ie
```
type stuff here
```
broken nebula
so it is rn
1 1 1 0
0 0 0 1 AND
not sure about this result
wait
is it logic check
so 0000?
deep fjord
exactly!
broken nebula
is this what YOu mean? (sorry i can struggle with english ehere)
deep fjord
You are doing very well
broken nebula
okay so got the math part of topic, english was the struggle, nevermind, we got this
thank YOu, You too my master tbh xd
deep fjord
Now, we store every binary-number-as-a-decimal ie. the "927" for A, the "1019" for B, etc. in a 
We can then group the bitshift logic by doing 
>> N
this N is just the number we want to show on the digit display, like a 5 or 3
I'm going to have to continue this via my phone without the game in front of me, so bear with me for a bit.
Just look at the BP I sent a while ago for refernce.
broken nebula
I'm going to have to continue this via my phone without the game in front of me,...
ok
looking for this bit shift in Factorio combinators
deep fjord
Our goal is we want to bitshift all the binary numbers by the same N, not just the 927 or 1019
To display a 3, the N = 3, so the logic does.
A(927) >> 3
B(1019 >> 3
...
and so on
broken nebula
amazing
look at this
ah nevermmind, deleted this, earlier i tried 1 combinator for every lamp... yeah we can just forget about this
my god, this , i mean i feel the direction of this
i believe i can try some time on my own with current knowledge, what You think?
deep fjord
I was about to suggest the same, have a play around with supplying different numbers as 'N', as see how the output changes.
broken nebula
exactly like, this broke a wall for me, and now i dont need 10 or 10^10 combinators or any dumber number of them which i was planning to use earlier, soo, will ping You here with next questions, sounds like a plan?
deep fjord
Perfect ^^
gritty flare
one combinator per lamp is a bit rough
broken nebula
@deep fjord hello, can You please look at this mess? like im80% happy, but i feel something is stupidly redundant, i guess will be faster to show You
deep fjord
Still out and about, I'll need some game screenshots 😅
broken nebula
oh, that will be hard, but we can try hah, also...
-_-
wait, sorry, how do i even screenshot this properly, lets go with everything needed i believe 😮 (much stuff)
overall look
input for this systemm is correct working clock divided by digits so bascily flow repeatedly 0-9
connected to
first arithmetic combinator
and this connected to another arithmetic combinator
am i screenshoting it correct enough? (this is surprisingly difficult, both fun with this and screenshotting this stuff haha)
mmy god,
- math
- human error
- factorio tools
- factorio wires
- being tired
after beating those 5, and getting Your help, i finally conected it correctly, it works!!!
@deep fjord sorry, i was literally struggling with signal connected to OUTPUT instead of INPUT ... very hard to spot, but i think we can call it a day 🎉
deep fjord
Its possible to condense all the seperate with each 🇦 , 🇧 , 🇨 etc into one
Use 
wire from that to a , configured to >> [car]
Then wire from that to a second that does AND 1.
then you just supply your [car] value.
You'll need a pair of these, per digit.
If you want to show "11:40" , you need 4 sets.
broken nebula
haha, yeah right, i was always using to mark inputs in my Blueprints, never tried >1 signals hah , easy
now hard stuff
ok, so we need 2 combinators per digit???
okay, okay, the icon, couldnt make it work earlier... my god i feeel dummb sorry, head ache like in the time i was starting to make 
for the first time XD
deep fjord
just lets us batch all of the things together, it's like saying "For each input, do this"
You already have something that supplies each digit for the clock I see. That we can also eventually make smaller, but for now you have a very good solution.
broken nebula
and everytime now i try to use i basicly break it! amazing 😄 haha, thank You thnak You, and yeah, we will got this, for now i will make a break 🙂
deep fjord
Well deserved ^^
broken nebula
thank You so much, i would love to help you somehow too, for now i can say, goodnight circuit hero 😄
deep fjord
broken nebula
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Hey hello, well, yeah, it is finished, thanks Your slow, careful, patient, detailed explanation, even i finally got this, i guess it may be obvious bread and butter for others, but for me was really challenging struggle WITH this instructions above xD, but, we got this, im really happy, want to thank You, and good to have You here
bamm bamm bamm !! here we go, working, fully working woohoo
goodluck and have fun in playing and teaching other circuit padawans 😄
broken nebula
i found it really difficult to increase visibility of digital display on lamp in Factorio, so i made few changes, bigger scale, works cool, but colours were still of a bit, (lamp turned off was to distinguish fromm background one) so i tried to match those colors, i believe #444444 works fine, simmilar shade of grey, and this is "my" version for now
more readable, still some stuff to do but i believe i can name it v1.0 😄
deep fjord
Start with something like this. This is just for easy contrast.
Don't forget you can do this for all the "other" lamps.
broken nebula
@warm crater
broken nebula
@languid blaze