GGs Take 2 of x1k Vanilla Madness

[fallen axle]

Solo take 2 of the x1k challenge except this time its with a twist... 400% asteroids.

the opening smelter is a little different this go around!

[muted pulsar]

400% asteroids with expensive damage upgrades

holy

[golden warren]

tbh part of me ponders why you didn't spec into a Mall first, like you need this setup many times over prior to being able to make a dent on the science progress.

[fresh harbor]

Why did you start over? And was the previous run also single-player?

[fallen axle]

My previous save was single player, and I walked away from my PC for 5 minutes only to come back to the world deleted by my kid, simple life lesson of having a back up of the world you play. At the time I didn't have steam cloud

[fallen axle]

I get the mall rolling right after I get undergrounds/splitters, before then and you can't really weave with long handed inserters

[golden warren]

wait, like not even autosave??? bruh

[fallen axle]

No the auto saves were also gone

[golden warren]

...

feed that lil' bugger to the

tbh it reminds me of one time when I hid under the neighbours desk to surprise them, they worked on that for like an hour without backup, and then I pulled the plug

[fresh harbor]

Definitely something I could have done as a kid lol.

Did you keep your blueprints?

[fallen axle]

I'd say about 70% of the blueprints survived

I still have yet to actually ever get



And

I'm curious how long it will take to even get off of

[golden warren]

tbh at scale sounds like a massive pain

not sure if you want other peoples opinion, but I would go to all the planets for their trigger tech. It's relatively low investment, and would mean that you get all the upfront benefits of and .

• -- big miners, Foundries
  • no need to say anything, both are beyond useful for all but
• -- EM Plants, Recyclers.
  • EM for any serious Module production, plus just in general... beyond busted for Circuits.
  • latter especially useful for , and if you want to upcycle.
    is growing on me more-and more too, I'll def have to abuse Biochambers in my next run

[fallen axle]

In the previous world that's what I had done. Each planet costs a million science packs and then I started up for volcanus first

Trying to get the calcite back to nauvis this time around is going to be interesting

[golden warren]

tbh what has my head spinning more, is how I'll integrate the new buildings into it all~

[fallen axle]

I think small demo is going to melt on Vulcanus because I'll have a higher damage this time

[fallen axle]

Mining section is partially back to no longer hand feed

[golden warren]

any reason why you cant loop it around?

you would not have to feed the copper that way

[fallen axle]

Didn't have enough time to fully kit it out

[golden warren]

do u speed things up, or just wait around in real time~

[fallen axle]

I'm a "don't afk" player, always looking to improve things and make them faster

[golden warren]

hell yeah, love the mentality!

[fallen axle]

a lamp and a radar would be great right now >.<

[muted pulsar]

You've never done a normal playthrough other than at 1000x multi?

[fallen axle]

nope

[muted pulsar]

Pure CBT

All the planets are a lot of fun

[fallen axle]

no more inserter hell

[muted pulsar]

How far did you get in your last game before the save was deleted?

[fallen axle]

lemme go find the photo

it didnt have the other planets science other than

[fallen axle]

ending it here. got my splitters tonight

[fallen axle]

300spm barrier broken haha

[fallen axle]

Ended yesterday with gun turret, miner, and radar unlocked. Expanding time with a mall engaged

[fallen axle]

Tempted to try a sushi sorter to the starter mixed ores

[ionic pollen]

This is what I used as well. Definitely helped with space science before thrusters when the space science platform was stationary. But getting to Vulcanus before damage upgrades was a slow journey…

[fallen axle]

Yeah there are multiple people saying it will exponentially useful but horrible to get up and running

[fallen axle]

and my brain is back at work

[fallen axle]

It's getting worse lol

[fallen axle]

time to go power up the base and smelt 50 steel

[fallen axle]

got fast inserters, labs and power time

[fallen axle]

[fallen axle]

I spent the evening after that figuring out what a "comfortable" DMG/speed for space is... and the bare minimum is 4

[muted pulsar]

How much will that cost? And at what speed

[fallen axle]

Well each tier adds 100k if I'm remembering right

So 2mil science packs total invested into speed and damage together (1 mil each) at minimum for inner planets travel

Probably look at both around 5-6 just for ease of use tbh but idk yet

[muted pulsar]

oh I was thinking dmg + space ship speed. You completely forget the actual turret speed upgrades on 1x science

[ionic pollen]

For comfortable travel, yes, the upgrades are necessary. You can just about make it to the planets earlier to set up a base and produce foundries and EM plants.

[fallen axle]

I got !

[ionic pollen]

And with world domination is just around the corner!

[thorny elk]

For Americans, that tracks with oil.

[fallen axle]

I'm actually excited for space this go around

Because I need a minimum of speed/DMG 3 to get out of nauvis orbit

Speed/DMG 4 would be comfort pick

[weak kite]

fyi as long as game was not closed

u could have got your save back

😭

you can go onto the steam website, theres a area that shows you the uploaded files and since it only syncs when u shut down game

u prob could have gotten save back feelsbadman

maybe i should try my hand as a mutliplication science run since i find basegame so simple

[fallen axle]

If steam cloud existed then, at the time steam cloud took 10 minutes to save the game so I disabled it. That was a stupid mistake

[weak kite]

its not like you need to sit there and wait for steam cloud to finish

da helll

[fallen axle]

It would happen as I'm going to turn the computer off, I didn't want to wait that long haha

Now it takes less then 30s

[weak kite]

dang

[fallen axle]

I have a small problem... this is the only place it fits

[muted pulsar]

What do you mean the only place it fits? Is going over a patch too icky?

[fallen axle]

I like to try and not if I can help it, but the 600% does a difficult

[thorny elk]

He fully intends to extract those ore patches, but initially he needs somewhere to smelt them.

[lucid spade]

what the

i cant even do normal space age well

[weak kite]

Are those your own bpa madg

[fallen axle]

I'm gonna assume this is asking is that my own bp, yes

[fallen axle]

well, this wont be done before this timer, but there isn't a resource patch on it

[weak kite]

why u researching weapon shooting?

[fallen axle]

This is the last research I have to do before

[weak kite]

ah

[fallen axle]

And I need DMG/speed 4 to get off of Nauvis at 20 km/s 😂

[weak kite]

my god

[fallen axle]

Finally cleared the build out 😂

[weak kite]

💀 good luck on building that

[fallen axle]

It's not complicated, just a lot of stuff haha, 23 or 24 smelter stacks

[weak kite]

*just

XD

[golden warren]

tbh at some point I would likely go for builds that are easier to build

ik that you can make smelter lines that are 1 wider, but only meed to drag the Inserters once in turn (per 4 Furnace), which you could possibly run down the entire lane on? belts pushing you would be annoying though, so idk

[fallen axle]

this shoulda been shorter too

[golden warren]

maybe overplacing the inserters wouldn't be awful either

would basically just require you to place the ghosted power poles first, which you can easily just drag oved
, would mean a higher power draw though...

tbh at the end of the day, making a furnace stack is not hard, 23 something smelters migth be pushing it in one sitting though, lmao

I would possibly even like... just make lanes of 24 (12 each side) furnaces, and make Steel Furnace my first research

and uuuh... work on building other ghost buildings in the meanwhile? idk, really need to play this, lmao

thanks for being a motivation though ❤️

[fallen axle]

its a fun game! 🙂

[weak kite]

U want me to try a x1000 since I find reg factorio kinda boring lol

[fallen axle]

That's up to you. If you do, I'd start smaller like 100 or 50. Just to understand how different it is.

[fallen axle]

biters have been spotted

[fallen axle]

its begun

[muted pulsar]

I assumed you would of been playing without biters. Have you changed them at all from default settings?

[fallen axle]

they are on peaceful, with no evolution, expansion or pollution

kinda just for a bordom strike

[golden warren]

oh wait, u don't know?...

[fallen axle]

the goal was to get it to trickle and then to catapult it 🙂

[fallen axle]

don't know what?

[golden warren]

I mean it makes sense since u haven't beaten spage, but

[fallen axle]

thank you for the spoiler tag, yeah I haven't done anything with planets science wise past

[golden warren]

ima go ahead and remove the msg for the sake of temptation then, lmao

it would kill me not checking it

still though, WILD that ur doing this without knowing any of the challenges that are ahead of you

makes it all the more entertaining though, so ain't no way I'm euining my own fun XD

[fallen axle]

🙂

[fallen axle]

[fallen axle]

full belt aquired

[scenic crag]

Hell yeah, lets go, Assembler Mk2 should cut down on the pollution a little bit as well

[fallen axle]

This world actually has no, pollution, evolution, expansion. Biters are on peaceful for boredom strikes

[weak kite]

ah fair enough x1k would be hard enough by itself

[weak kite]

i want a challange so I may have started my own x1k run even tho im pretty sure i wont get far kek

[fallen axle]

You will do fine! Enjoy

I am going to have to rebuild my entire setup because it's locked at 750/m

[weak kite]

SURELY

🙂

[weak kite]

also is 400% not a benefit though lowkey

means u can get omega iron from space

[fallen axle]

It's a absolute chore early game

I need physical DMG/Speed 4 to even get off of nauvis at 20km

[weak kite]

r u doing early quality?

since its reletively cheaper to go for

[fallen axle]

when I get there maybe

[weak kite]

tbh I forgot it is burried so deep, whats your spm rn?

[fallen axle]

900 due to an issue

[weak kite]

usally tho?

1k?

[fallen axle]

at this point last time it was 1800

[weak kite]

dang

[wraith peak]

did you crank resources to max? that doesn't look anything like default

[weak kite]

He did

[fallen axle]

Indeed, I don't like hunting for ore 😂

[scenic crag]

At this scale the ore itself doesn't really pose any interesting challenge so I totally support just yeeting it to max

[fallen axle]

I'm considering just building over the ore till I get legendary stuff then doing shenanigans to not build on it

[wraith peak]

im on 1000x with default ore and biters, but only evolution through killing nests

resources had to be optimized quite a bit before it got chill

[fallen axle]

That sounds painful, good luck

[fallen axle]

Current base. Going to try and get steel furnaces and go from there

[weak kite]

nice, I started my run and hit gun turrets since im playing with biters on xd

[weak kite]

how did u design your bps that u decided to go with tho

[fallen axle]

Depending on what I want out of a build, I usually pick an output/m number in factoriolab, and see the machines required. Then I will attempt to scale it do it can remain in place till beacons

As an example this is
4 copper/chips/plastic input
1 advanced circuit belt of the next tier output

[weak kite]

u said your spm is how much again?

*for your bp

[fallen axle]

Right now 900/m, but I have 2 builds I'm replacing trying to get back to 1800+

That is 2400 yellow belt

[weak kite]

whats causing the throttling? belt size or what

[fallen axle]

I didn't build enough assemblers and don't have the space

[weak kite]

when i clear out local area i should prob look at doing same to simpify it a lot

[fallen axle]

ending it here, got Steel Furnaces today, now to fix after getting

[golden warren]

I'm thinking of doing a 1k run myself, but likely with a power armor + some early bots, in turn for default ore settings~ for some reason I think that makes it 'fair', lol

or like idk, part of me is interested in the routing of things till gives access to legit bots, but in this instance it's borderline just tedious and not a good way to spend my free time~

[fallen axle]

Once I can get red belts and trains I'll be happy.

I think I'm going to stop worrying about placing on top of ore for now because I can just rearrange stuff later

[weak kite]

honestly i dont think trains will help that much

tbh

[fallen axle]

They make placing stuff a lot easier

[weak kite]

issue is powering the bots....

if u playing with reg settings

[golden warren]

I would likely add in a personal nuclear reactor too, cause I don't see much point in waiting around at that point

I'm more interested in how the design challenge scales, and how I design-proof my challenges

so I make half of what's planned and later upgrade for ; build double and likewise, double my throughput with ... do I then leave enough space to fit , or just double it's width instead. likewise, are the ratios made for or ? how do you make a modular system for smelters prior to splitters & undergrounds, which then can spec into train unloads too~

[fallen axle]

What you mean?

[golden warren]

me getting lost in the beatuies of premature optimization prior to even playing, lol

[fallen axle]

This was my base earlier

[golden warren]

no, mostly stating how I would treat my 1000x science run as a logistical challenge, rather than a grind where I hand place everything... desiging systems is the fun part, having to spend 20x that time on building things would just take away from the experience, so I don't think adding in some personal bots would hurt the experience here~

[fallen axle]

Oooh

Yeah if I allowed mods in mine I'd do a bot mod till I got bots

[weak kite]

at that point

just give yourself rare bots

so its not as good as a personal reactor

but good enough that it wont restrain the building too much

[weak kite]

nice

im getting closer to the point of starting factory myself

evo is almost at 20 for me so I soon cant really expand anymore

since med biters are TOUGH

[rigid frigate]

what's your best weapon currently?

[small cedar]

upgrading to is best to do while replacing with . Then it's the same amount of smelters for a full belt and could be fast replaced.
for the no underground no splitter part: they are available soon. dont plan for trains yet its a long way to go. if you want to, try to choose a spacy place nearby and keep it free from stuff

[golden warren]

I mean sry, 1000x is such an order of magnitude larger that I'm having a hard time keeping my excitement thinking about how it would have to scale while still keeping it morular and expandable.

and the great thing about Factorio, is that nothing has a one way answer

although I guess designing things with & in mind makes sense; still though ▬ I can't help but have my mind race about the opportunity cost & building what I need now for a much greater profit

but then still doing it in a way where I can relatively easily refactor things later, cause I know I lack experience to know how all of this will come together; and that spoiling myself in creative mode wouldn't be half as enjoyable, thus I'm left grasping vague understandings of how it would play out and later realize it wouldn't play out as cleanly. Let me tell you, this is some of the purest joy I've had in Factorio in a while

since I can't play it atm cause of needing to study for University

[small cedar]

I'm used to create small, like 60 spm builds. Make them nice and easy to build with good documentation, especially how much items per second it expects for each lane. Then place as much of them as i need together. I do basically the same for my large blueprints: find single-assembler-directinput-configuration in a tileable way, group them together until target output and finish with belts and stuff

[golden warren]

yea, ur prior 40h speedrun post was such a joy to read, can't wait to see what the rest of your 1k playthrough will evolve into ^^

[fallen axle]

The game is fun however you want to play it, what sparked my initial want back in 1.1 for x1k was how fast the research for the game was.

[golden warren]

yea, tbh I get to outscale the enemies so darn fast that I'm barely motivated; really miss Marathon mode

which was not just a science multi, but also made the recepies more expensive; so ratios changed too...

[fallen axle]

I enjoyed expensive recipe mode

[small cedar]

oh yes me too, was megabasing in expensive mode

[weak kite]

pistol 💀

well

turrets

[weak kite]

one thing u need to keep in mind of

assembler 2's only have .75 speed

so build to have area ones u get to assemblers 2 since if u upgrade to red belts u will need more assemlbers

since 2x items but it can only process it 50% faster

[weak kite]

i believe it got ported to 2.0 no

[small cedar]

there's a mod but i like to have unmodded achievements

[fallen axle]

If it got ported properly, maybe my next world that is modded will be an x1k expensive mode

[fallen axle]

But this is the same reason I'm in vanilla. I want the steam achievements the proper way

[weak kite]

💀 no way

KEK

[fallen axle]

I had an x1k on expensive move in 1.1

[small cedar]

well i might do that but then no biters 😄

[fallen axle]

Yeah, I'd turn off biters as well

At that point it's human vs machine

[fallen axle]

Modded you can let your heart and brain be the creative pitfall. Unmodded you have to figure out out vanilla

[golden warren]

that would effectively just mean that say, I leave space for 40x assemblers for production, of which I place 30x s, and then later I can do all 40x , next to upgrading to &

but yea, I do love ratios, know most of em' from the top of my head, appreciate the headsup anyhow ^^

[weak kite]

ren reduce again at assemblers 3s

;p

[golden warren]

I mean... at that point u have beacons and modules too

plus I want to play 1k the most because of Quality

[weak kite]

💀 hmmm do i want to plan my build around becons

I dont think so

ill jsut need to rebuild science later

[golden warren]

yea, I mean that + ratios... ima just yolo it, lmao

[weak kite]

ima preplan it lmao, too many belts are gonig around to not preplan imo

[golden warren]

plus then also another refactor for foundries and EM plants...

[small cedar]

or pretend to have while actually placing and replace later

tbh i should make my blueprints do exactly this xD

[weak kite]

that just limits your dsp a lot though

early on

*spm

[small cedar]

my last bp worked fine in testworld but in my real safe 3 are not enough to feed a single for walls

[weak kite]

no blues?

[small cedar]

not yet

[weak kite]

why not? they only like 50k? are they not

[small cedar]

there's far more important things to research 😉

[weak kite]

i mean yeah...

but u will need then later anyway

[fallen axle]

I wouldn't, just leave space

[weak kite]

i wont, to both KEK

ill just need to rebuild with bots after becons

which im fine with

[fallen axle]

we are gaming now!

[fallen axle]

1spm lol

[rigid frigate]

Will this be default settings? Like will the ore patches and biters be unmodified?

[fallen axle]

I don't have that level of patience. The ore is at 600% and the biters are on peaceful

[weak kite]

any idea how you designed your bp tho? im trying to do mine and man.... def not easy XD

[fallen axle]

which one?

I make all of them except the balancers myself, there was a slight tweak in the from Meme-thief tho

[weak kite]

I mean h ow did u, im trying to work on my own and its a lot lol

this me in editor trying to plan for upgrades xd

[fallen axle]

i use these mods

[weak kite]

I mean more of the designing part, on how u decide where to put stuff or do first

[fallen axle]

uummm

[small cedar]

I decide about output first, and think about if i could get away with using half yellow belts for ingredients (7.5 items per second) or need more. Put the desired output in a calc like factoriolab or foreman2. I'm trying to direct input as much as possible on a very small scale or limit myself to half a belt input, or a full belt input, depends

[fallen axle]

I'm kinda the same way, I decide an output amount and then build around it

[weak kite]

so I guess ill just try going backwards and just work thouigh science 1 by 1

[fallen axle]

so example, this massive thing is 2400/m on 's and yelow belt

the 2 long green assembler lines were built first

[weak kite]

rn im planning for 1800/m

on t2's

and red belts

and what I got so far ;p

for planing

[fallen axle]

thats a lot of labs

[small cedar]

for example this build. I decided not to do direct input, because i wanted to be able to use some ingredients like engines for mall stuff if they back up. then it was finding a nice pattern first and repeat that many times

[weak kite]

wait is my lab math wrong?

cus 60/s

means .01666667

*60/min

blah

1 every 60 secs

so .01666667 every sec

[small cedar]

try to disconnect your labs from science production. do not integrate labs with science assemblers, this will get very difficult with more than 1 science

[weak kite]

im planning to build entire thing with editor before hand so I can move stuff around if needed so yes, if that truns into a issue ill move stuff around which I bet it will be

[small cedar]

looks good so far, you have 4 input belts, its a half belt science each?

and no space age?

[weak kite]

yes space age

[weak kite]

no full belt of science each, and 4 belts per science lab stack

I mean

i could do half a lane

easily

KEK

idk why I set it up for 1 full belt each

now that im thinking about it

[small cedar]

8 science packs if you do only 1 planet and then redesign

[weak kite]

dont u only need 4?

to get off planet

[small cedar]

ah yes

so you plan on doing blue only and space and then leave?

[weak kite]

i plan to totally desesign after i get some stuff on other planets

yeeep

[small cedar]

ok 🙂

[weak kite]

ill still leave it like this but ill prob have it only do half belt

[weak kite]

I do have a question.... how would u module a setup like this since I want to also quality some of the things... and I cant just prod everything anyway

[small cedar]

your lab setup?

just put prod everywhere. speed doesnt rly matter as its just more labs and you eill not use beacons soon

[weak kite]

no prod for other stuff

like I cant prod everything though

cus pollution then would get outta hand ,and I wanna quality some stuff and take off prob

[small cedar]

for quality and science its nice to put quality into science assemblers early on (dont mix with speed). you'll get some quality science out of it doing more spm

at least that's what i am doing, didnt do the the math maybe should do prod

however, i do completely different designs with modules. i dont put modules in my running setup because it screws ratio

so it's a thing for later 🙂

[weak kite]

ah yeah im trying to consider for quality modules in areas where I want to put them

i dont think ill do it for science itself tho

[small cedar]

different science take different throughput add in some lab speed research

[weak kite]

ill prob trim it down to consider for sci speed true

obv need more red labs but woo

done

*red sci production

wait a sec nm

i think its fine?

[weak kite]

there we go

red sci done IG, it kinda hurts my soul its not a full belt since im considering the prod modules in the labs

[fallen axle]

I'd start a thread so we could follow you too if you want. Easier to track progress

Prod mods are a looong way away

[weak kite]

sry sry ;p

[weak kite]

true but its best to just prep the build for it

[fallen axle]

Naw you good, I like seeing your progress, that's why I suggested it

Not mad at you, happy to see another high multiplier player

[weak kite]

lmao, ill look at pulling one together

quick question tho

this should work right

[weak kite]

ah rip me BTW, I acidentily saved my main file using this editor save, and my last steamcloud save is when I was about to finish up setting up walls 😭

ima need to rebuild 450spm science to get logi 🙁

[small cedar]

u'm doing 2 or 3 alternate saves and never overwite the current one, to be safe even if something fails horribly

[fallen axle]

This is why I do 3 auto saves at 10 minute increments

[small cedar]

autosave use the very same files in editor and play mode so i don't rely on that

[fallen axle]

Today we fix and get a minimum of 1800

[fallen axle]

shoulda changed that about 10 hrs ago >.<

[small cedar]

i'm heavily constrained with keeping the polution cloud smol until flamethrowers ^^

[fallen axle]

Circuits!

[small cedar]

nice

[fallen axle]

1800 was achieved!

[fallen axle]

I broke it again lol

tomorrow we get trains!

[weak kite]

Nice

Although trains prob useless

[fallen axle]

Trains, are beneficial even though they will run over ore (fixing that later ) I hate dragging belts everywhere

[weak kite]

u have so much ore tho

[fallen axle]

Yeah, but trains help spm scaling in a way that's easier to manage. Having to drag a belt across Narnia is not okay LOL

[fallen axle]

TRAIN

[muted pulsar]

hyuge

[fallen axle]

Hopefully tonight or tomorrow I can get a plan of how I want to lay it all out

[muted pulsar]

thought of what you're going to do yet?

[fallen axle]

I'm uncertain

the mall does have train things 🙂

[weak kite]

imagine having a mall

not me XD

[fallen axle]

make one

it will take you far

[scenic crag]

building at this scale without a mall would drive me clinically insane

[weak kite]

its honestly been fine

just been setting down a assembler or chest to grab intermediates

and just set a q of final buildings

[fallen axle]

Yes, I can't imagine no mall

It's small enough that it makes what's currently needed while I'm away

[fallen axle]

Oil is achieved

Hiatus existed because of many other games again 😢

[weak kite]

what game

lmao

[fallen axle]

Diablo 4, Warcraft, Rocket League, and Shapez 2

[weak kite]

shapez 2 good choice

[weak kite]

we are now at roughly the same point tho lmao

im only like 100kish above

lol

[fallen axle]

train base

[scenic crag]

Base of the train base
the base train base base, if you will

[fallen axle]

ending here tonight, got reconfigured to trains

[weak kite]

I wish I could lol

[rigid frigate]

i love seeing the colossal oil fields

[fallen axle]

Yay sulfur researched, now just red chips and chem science to go

[small cedar]

nice!

[fallen axle]

we have teh first death... thanks you damn train

[fallen axle]

racing to get this built lol

[weak kite]

dangg

[small cedar]

my current limit: raw oil

honestly, i'm thinking to barrel oil for train transport. never done that before

or just another pipeline 😄

[fallen axle]

480/m ?

[muted pulsar]

What's the spm of this

[fallen axle]

Just over 1k

[small cedar]

yes. need to fix resource production 🙈

[fallen axle]

Landfill done

[fallen axle]

building a science output place lol

[fallen axle]

to place this behemoth... I'm going on a tree murder

[small cedar]

😄

[fallen axle]

a lot has been acomplished today

[rigid frigate]

i love seeing train bases of other people as someone that doesn't know how to use trains

[small cedar]

This trains here could be very easy or very complicated .. easy, because of track layout. They don't share tracks for different direction. They go 1 way only, no need to drive backwards and no need to look for other train in different direction.
Stations could be very easy too: each train has 1 load station and 1 drop off station. That's not very smart but reliable. Could make it multiple times more smarter and complicated ofc 😄

[fallen axle]

These are also just to start, my last base had dual head as well

[thorny elk]

I expected that was what the landfill was for

[fallen axle]

originally kinda

but free water

[thorny elk]

Is there not more water? Im thinking you are planning weeks ahead.

[fallen axle]

water and this base... doesnt mix

[small cedar]

building at ore hurts my eyes alone 🙈

[fallen axle]

It'll fix itself with Legendary stuff

[weak kite]

I mean

By the time u get legendary u mostly finished

Idk ugly its worth the 5mil sci

*idk if

[fallen axle]

This world won't die I only plan on x1 base for speed run and achievements, otherwise it's this world

[fallen axle]

earliest solid fuel conversion ever!

[fallen axle]

& have been converted

[small cedar]

well done 🙂 which train system do you use?

[fallen axle]

2-4's

[small cedar]

train groups? single cargo or cargo wildcard? refuel on stations or refuel on interrupt?

[fallen axle]

refuel interrupt single cargo for now

also never done train groups, I recently learned about train limiters

[small cedar]

i'm grouping all trains sharing the same orders, to make it easier to edit orders later. in case i want to remove the refuel interrupt for example, or decide to change my train logic

in current game i do a single cargo per train group, so iron ore trains, grouped together, for all iron ore load/drop stations.
in the past i experimented with wildcard cargo and let the trains decide where to unload based on the cargo they got. but just wanted a quick and easy way to find errors this time. I sum the stations limits together (for example, all iron ore load and unload stations) and build as many trains as necessary to have max 3 free stations per cargo.
Maybe i will reduce to 2 free slots each, or even implement some station priority, if trains decide to let the same unload stations unfilled

[fallen axle]

train converted. I think now I finish labs and then blitz

Finishing labs will allow me to not have to look at the after bots

[fallen axle]

we are hunting down... Bulk Inserters

[fallen axle]

time for a break

[small cedar]

😄

[fallen axle]

part 1!

[fallen axle]

red chips are all thats left!

[fallen axle]

1/4 down Modules are goal today while building power

[minor ivy]

You are building so fast! Can we see how the factory is growing?

I was reading this thread last days. You inspired me to start high science mult run as soon as my current SE run is done

[fallen axle]

top right boiler power is what has happened today so far

[fallen axle]

enjoy it!

2 down 2 to go

[static cradle]

Its fun to watch this continue to grow!

[fallen axle]

adding more power!

[fallen axle]

it does work

[fallen axle]

350k to go!

[fallen axle]

[weak kite]

nice

[fallen axle]

have to end er here, I have to fix and next time

My iron mine lost about 55 drills and so gotta figure out how to revive that, and get the remaining online

[fallen axle]

Maybe I can get fully online

[fallen axle]

the labs have !

[small cedar]

nice!

[fallen axle]

1/2 to better oil!

[fallen axle]

ending here tonight got the 2nd piece of the build done

[muted pulsar]

Handbuilding almost done 👌

[fallen axle]

That red chip build is the last step I feel

[weak kite]

Huge

[fallen axle]

Only a few thousand left

[fallen axle]

Houston. We struck oil!

[scenic crag]

Ayy congrats
Been lurking and watching your progress, big milestones

[fallen axle]

Appreciate it SnipSnip! I'm almost to Bots again

[scenic crag]

Man, building all that by hand would've driven me crazy...luckily you're almost there! And then I imagine trudging through some of the worker robot speed upgrades to make them a little less sluggish while you expand

[fallen axle]

sadly you can only do 2 bot speeds before you need

[scenic crag]

Hey, that's 2 more than 0!

[muted pulsar]

Following this has got me a bit tempted to do a 1000x

but ive already done a 100x default resources without biters run

[fallen axle]

my goal was to try and get as close tonight to bots as possible

I got quite a bit of stuff done, but I'm going to try and get teh remainder of the online tomorrow and the rest of the labs built

this is the last research of

[scenic crag]

Feels like mining prod is a way longer term investment than normal for sure

[fallen axle]

Yeah and I don't have all of my labs completely done just yet so it's only at half pace

[fallen axle]

now to take care of the steel and finish both and

[muted pulsar]

HYUGE

[fallen axle]

1 research remains

[scenic crag]

Dawn of the final day research
24 hours remaining

[fallen axle]

Today's goal get bots

[small cedar]

uh nice

[fallen axle]

power has been cranked 1.1GW aquired

bots are close

[fallen axle]

let the games begin!

[fallen axle]

now that I have bots, its time to expand and look at , but first some rocket league

[fallen axle]

bots are online and everywher!

[muted pulsar]

Ramping

[muted pulsar]

Have you seen the blueprint shotgun mod? I just started a 1000x run and I like that it has a science and item cost so it feels less cheaty

[fallen axle]

I have not seen it

[muted pulsar]

made by codegreen

It even has multiple tiers of upgrades. So it's not immediately at it's most potent

[fallen axle]

yay!@

[scenic crag]

Might finally give you some relief on the coal front, being able to power them with electricity

[fallen axle]

Yeah, currently deciding where to put the next outposts

[fallen axle]

[fallen axle]

well, next goal, 1 new iron/copper mine

got myself some personal bots so I can stop handplacing

[rigid frigate]

me too, but i'm already struggling on 1x

[fallen axle]

Enjoy that 1st playthrough. This is my 2nd, both are at x1k because I'm enjoying slower playthrough's. However the first one didn't make it past Vulcanus science

[fallen axle]

hopefully logistics bots enter tomorrow!

[muted pulsar]

What planet will you go to first?

[fallen axle]

🤔, I'm contemplating getting all inner planets grab tech and then rushing fulgora or Vulcanus

[muted pulsar]

I was thinking fulgora/vulcanus trigger tech then gleba first on my run

[fallen axle]

The biolabs do drop the game to a x500 somehow

[small cedar]

biolabs are 2m science to unlock, still not sure if i should rly go gleba first

[fallen axle]

I'd wait till artillery or tesla but idk what Tesla does

[small cedar]

my main problem right now, my world is probably an island, and i will starve from ressource

maybe i just need to grab some landfill and go explore the ocean. because if its an island, i might have no other choice than doing vulcanus first

[small cedar]

i dont want to spoil you too much. tesla is very nice at gleba, but not mandatory in a "normal" world. No idea about going big in a 1000x run though 😄

[muted pulsar]

With biters on and default resources you'll probably want to abandon nauvis and scale up on vulcanus

Im playing without biters so a fat spore cloud on gleba on a 1000x run is not a problem

[small cedar]

always did vulcanus first ^^

[fallen axle]

I have peaceful, no evo, expansion. So they are perm small.

Heavily in contemplation to kick start fulgora first

Recyclers to all would be great

[muted pulsar]

How much did you decide to scale up your science on nauvis?

[fallen axle]

I'm at 1800/m right now, but I'm looking into bigger train size

[muted pulsar]

Im also at 1800 of red/green but quick maths has me at 36hours more minimum, assuming I have the blue to match to get a rocket silo down

But scaling up to 3600 of blue is A LOT of infrastructure on such low tech

[fallen axle]

base is getting better, working on so I can get off of

[fallen axle]

didn't get very far on Rocket fuel tonight, but got the entire set up for producing starting tomorrow

[scenic crag]

Ayy, gotta get that weapon damage upgrade to make the ship not implode

[fallen axle]

Minimum level 3 thankfully

But the ship takes a half hour round trip

[fallen axle]

Quiet from me, but that's because I'm upgrading the base to 3-8 trains

[scenic crag]

Go get that bread (and by bread I mean bigger trains, because how could bigger trains ever not be better?)

[fallen axle]

today, we casually rip apart the ENTIRE base

well... anything train related that is

[fallen axle]

reworked!

reworked

dont need reworked yet, but might be soon

[fallen axle]

now this, this is a train

[fallen axle]

trains about to become deer and murder me

[fallen axle]

3-8's accomplished, next

[fallen axle]

! yay!

[scenic crag]

Nice, time for some upgrades

[fallen axle]

Next order of business, build a 8 lane outpost smelter blueprint

[fallen axle]

current base

[muted pulsar]

How far off the rocket silo?

[heavy palm]

The whole train for promethium science is pretty ambitious

[fallen axle]

Still haven't got past for the planet science, but we will see what it brings

[small cedar]

how does your 400% ship look like? i have a design that works on automatic but looses some walls each tour which is annoying

[fallen axle]

this is what I'm sending, it requires some slight power adjustment but sorks for dmg/speed 3

[small cedar]

did you limit speed?

[fallen axle]

no, I limite via clock on thruster fuel

[small cedar]

ok, to what target speed?

[fallen axle]

about 20km/s

[small cedar]

XD ok

[fallen axle]

she SLOW

[small cedar]

i do v<20 and this results in 30-40 and its loosing tiles every tour

[fallen axle]

I do a 100 tick clock that is only allowed 98-99-100 and its speed is 20-28

[fallen axle]

hmmm... this'll fix it

[fallen axle]

it would be cool if it actually lasted this long

[scenic crag]

Any updates?

[fallen axle]

This might upset quite a few here, but I found the main reason behind why I wasn't enjoying the game and it was a very tough decision. I wanted to continue to x1k 400% legacy, but every time I logged into this specific base I couldn't bring myself to play anymore. The old base that was deleted was a 600% all percent resource world, and I thought restarting on a different map entirely would fix it but it didn't.

There is a trauma of that world being deleted that I just can't get over, and I made a decision to make a new 100-600-600 (decreasing ore spawn) thinking that would fix things, I have played that world for about 10hrs and am now thoroughly enjoying the game. Then a group of buddies sucked me back into Warcraft and that's why updates didn't exist.

I'd continue this thread with this base if that was ok with everyone, but that's why I didn't post here for a while

[scenic crag]

For what it's worth I'm not upset, was just curious if something had happened, if you aren't enjoying something yourself I feel like there's no point in continuing (lord knows I know that feeling all too well)

I know I'm just some internet stranger but I'm glad it wasn't anything like serious or lifethreatening keeping you from updating

[fallen axle]

Appreciated! Yeah it was just a trauma of that world being deleted that really hit home at one point

400hrs of working on something, for it to be yeeted out of existence is not easy to just let go , I'll try and get some gameplay in when I'm able to break away from WoW

[scenic crag]

Yeah I dont have any direct parallels but I've certainly got some trauma in life that hits the same type of notes and it's been a struggle to keep going

So I feel ya

[fallen axle]

I know you've been through the threads I've made here watching the bases progress 😁 it's a lot of fun with watching stuff expand so I can understand from your pov

If you want the full scoop of when I realized it #space-age message

#space-age message and that's when I decided to make the world completely look different

[scenic crag]

Yeah trying to keep the same thing going (or something similar) tends to really hurt (or prevent healing, in a way)

Feel free to give me a shout if you post new pics or start a new thread, I'd love to pop in to see your builds when you feel like it

[fallen axle]

For sure

[muted pulsar]

Why don't you do a regular 1x playthrough of space age first

the other planets and reaching the systems edge is a lot of fun

[fallen axle]

🤔, you know out of all the chaos maybe your onto something

I've never fully finished the game so maybe I should go do that