#I'm struggling to understand what's

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nocturne ibex
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So - this is the parameter I'd like to use ...

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It says that it will 'match the first signal that passes all wait conditions. I'm assuming it means these conditions ?

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crisp python
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it matches whatever the station receives

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the schedule doesnt matter i think

nocturne ibex
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it says 'all wait conditions' - so what does that mean if it's not the interrupt conditions ?

autumn crow
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if you want a fiuld shouldnt you use the fiuld wild card and use the wildcard in the condition and names

crisp python
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both circuit and fluid can work

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same as circuit and item can work

nocturne ibex
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yeh - my understanding (probably erroneous), is that the fuild would match the train content - whereas the signal should match the signal received onto the train from the station.

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but - I'm still missing the point of the 'wait conditions'

crisp python
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thats when the train will depart

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it will wait until those conditions are met

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and at that point the parameter will be replaced by the first valid signal

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it probably goes by ID as many things

nocturne ibex
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but the wording says (and maybe that's the 'bug', or my misunderstanding) - match the first signal that passes the wait conditions and replace the wildcard with THAT signal (my caps)

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so - given I have only a single wait condition that should match water - my expectation is that the only possible replacement for the signal wildcard IS water

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however - that's not what's happening

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it's getting replace with the first signal (copper) hitting the station

autumn crow
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im confused what your trying to do with only 1 wildcard being used and a condition like water>0
id suggest making a simple example with the wild card basicly everywhere

crisp python
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-# easiest way to find out is to try

crisp python
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the selector combinator also has some misleading descriptions

nocturne ibex
nocturne ibex
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problem is - with the wildcard not really working - it's not really a useful tool as far as I can see

crisp python
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its mostly used to send the train to a station of your choice

nocturne ibex
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or - not as useful as it could be if I could get it replaced with my constraint - rather than just the first signal to come along

nocturne ibex
autumn crow
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your constant should be wildcarded as well

crisp python
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it can be yea

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it will just match any liquid then

autumn crow
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so it fails on some signels

crisp python
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well liquid for liquid, cargo for items

nocturne ibex
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so - I have stations receiving goods - and in each case I send to radar a single value 1 along with the item available - I then want to send a train there - which is all working - but because the fuilds are off the end of the signals w.r.t to the other items - the fluid train ends up going to a copper station

crisp python
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dont give the station multiple signals then

autumn crow
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because replace(copper,wildcard)water>0 produces water>0 which if water is > 0, is true

nocturne ibex
autumn crow
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if you want a water order you need wildcard>0

nocturne ibex
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I can resolve the issue with Space Ex by using radar signals with named channels - but not in vanilla - at least not the way I'm trying

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I'd love to figure this out - as I think I'm probably just doing something wrong - or attempting to do it the wrong way w.r.t the intention from the developers

autumn crow
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these are (bad) templates

nocturne ibex
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sure - and the water will be water = 1 when the water station has enough water to fill the train

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I was hoping to create a 'bag of trains' that could respond to any request and it's mostly working - but not quite as hoped - as I wanted the contraints to feed the signal wildcard - as that's what it says it does (at least the way I'm reading it)

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I can fix this in various ways - but they all add a LOT of complexity compared to the way it would work if the signal matched the conditions

autumn crow
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the condition needs to fail somehow or youll match the first one

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that will mean using the wildcard in the condition

nocturne ibex
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I do understand what your saying - but the signal itself says it works a different way

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so I'm trying to really figure out if I should take the time to express this as a bug - or just create massive workarounds

crisp python
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you could go look if anyone else already reported it

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and what the devs response was

nocturne ibex
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Thanks so far for trying to help. Really kinda frustrated after spending a few hours trying to get this to work smoothly as described.

crisp python
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note that it says "when used in interrupt"

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so far youve only sent pictures of you using water, and not the parameter

nocturne ibex
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sure

crisp python
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so when you have [parameter] > 1000
it will set the first signal that matches it

nocturne ibex
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That's the whole interrupt

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this is for hard items

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crisp python
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that water gotta be a [parameter]

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nocturne ibex
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this one works - it essentially says - if there's a station that contains enough cargo to fill a train with copper or coal - go and pick it up

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and drop it off

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it works because the signals are erased from the list as soon as a train is tasked - because the target station registers the incoming train and that stops the signal from being sent

crisp python
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and youre trying to simplify it to

[signal parameter] > 0
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empty cargo

nocturne ibex
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right - that's the effect of the simple circuit setup at the target mining stations

crisp python
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thought about naming all your pickup stations the same ?

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and only opening them when they have a full train load

nocturne ibex
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that is how it works

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oh - I see

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you're saying just consider the whole lot to be - stuff available

crisp python
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i mean theres so many fucking ways to do it

nocturne ibex
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lol - so true

crisp python
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dunno what exactly youre shooting for

nocturne ibex
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it seems I'm struggling to explain it - even though it seems like the simplest requirement

crisp python
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either way phlack or ichaleynbin in the #train-help have lots more experience
psa they will tell you that these kinds of smart trains are worse than normal dedicated routes

nocturne ibex
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i do get that - and tbh - I've finished the game multiple times - I'm really just trying to have 'fun' by making this kind of train work - because it's a 'feature' of Factorio 2.0, rather than fallback to using Cybersyn - which did work just fine

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but if this wildcard signal worked - it would be pretty powerful and cool - so here I am

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thanks for pointing to #train-help , I hadn't spotted it

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in fact, it's not appearing in my channel list

crisp python
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right click the factorio server icon and select "show all channels"

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you either have the wrong roles selected, or mods are too stupid to unhide channels

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btw

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for your dropoff station, switch to [cargo parameter]

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instead of the current [signal parameter]

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this way it should look at its own inventory and then just try to deliver that item to the correct station

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this one

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nocturne ibex
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this is actually working though - as the moment of interrupt condition success creates both the entries in the station visit list - the pickup and the dropoff - if I used cargo evaluation at the point of condition success - the cargo would be empty - per the conditions to pass

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the way you suggest would work if you split the interrupts further

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I did play with that too, and that's another viable way

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but at present, I've got a fluid wagon sitting waiting for cargo from inserters at an iron mine - lol

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it's going to be there a long time

nocturne ibex
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Attempted to use the wildcard in the condition - and this is what happens to the generated station names

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So - done this way - the wildcard name itself ends up in the station name instead of the fluid

nocturne ibex
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Looks like this occurred when I executed the interrupt but the signal was not present. With the conditions setup numerous ways, I still end up with the first signal, rather than the first signal that passes the conditions, being sent through to replace the wildcard in the station names. e.g.

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