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ripe depot Sep 14, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Discussion engage

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This is one of those mods where total time spent arguing > time spent coding.

cursive jacinth Sep 14, 2025, 12:36 AM

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Arguing with who?

ripe depot Sep 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

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discord arguments over what should be, with players in #space-age and #modded-chat . They did steer the mod substantially.

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gleba and vulcanus had especially heated discussion

late crane Sep 14, 2025, 2:40 PM

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Hmm, looks like some very good changes to me. Will probably throw this in my playthrough if I ever escape from the ~~sinkhole~~ silkhole I'm currently stuck in

native phoenix Sep 14, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Interesting changes! This is like the exact opposite direction of what Avadii's recent rebalance overhaul went in and I prefer this for a fun casual time!

QQ: Any concerns with pairing this with AAI?

ripe depot Sep 14, 2025, 7:01 PM

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native phoenix Interesting changes! This is like the exact opposite direction of what Avadii's ...

Thanks.
I have no idea.

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 12:55 AM

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Can you elaborate more on how the jelly/mash bioflux recycling works for getting legendary items?

I'm not on the computer right now and can't test out this mod.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 12:58 AM

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green oriole Can you elaborate more on how the jelly/mash bioflux recycling works for getting...

bioflux recycles to jelly + mash on gleba.
outside gleba, bioflux recycles into itself, as normal

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so you can upcycle bioflux instead of washing, and also get jelly/mash in quality from bioflux. Instead of needing s bunch of cursed setups for each one individually

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:00 AM

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Oh that sounds pleasant.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:02 AM

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AJ in general nerfs quality cheese strats, but makes some of the hard things easier

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The total for AJ (across everything, not just quality) is 11 buffs vs 12 nerfs

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:06 AM

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I was not a fan of trying to make legendary agricultural science on Gleba in vanilla SA. Such a pain.

Are legendary biter eggs still needed for prod mod 3's?

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:06 AM

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yes

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but prod 3 isn’t so much stronger. prod mods are 4/6/8% prod instead of 10% at max. In quality, 10/15/20% for leg

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you still miss out by skipping them, but not as much. Where you normally miss out on almost half the whole bonus

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Making legendary ag sci is still probably very bad tbh, but for very different reasons

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:17 AM

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Alright, I just got this. Trying it out right now.

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How come quality doesn't affect cargo wagon? 😮

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:18 AM

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It has never affected cargo wagons

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:18 AM

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Wasn't that one of the community complaints? I'm only asking because of that. I don't use them much tbh.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:19 AM

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for that sort of behavior, I would recommend a dedicated mod for it, as there are several

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if I put that in this mod, then it is an all-or-nothing situation. You can’t not have it, and the exact cargo sizes can actually break train blueprints

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https://mods.factorio.com/mod/quality-wagons?from=search

Factorio Mod Portal

Quality Wagons - Factorio Mods

Quality increases the inventory size of cargo wagon and the capacity of fluid wagon. This mod can make trains more efficient.

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i hope that makes sense

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:45 AM

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Alright so I am playing around in the editor and I am already not loving the gleba science changes.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:48 AM

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The primary purpose of the gleba science change is mostly to force you to actually make a gleba base.

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:49 AM

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with a resource that spoils in 1 minute instead of 20

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:49 AM

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The science is made fresh regardless

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:50 AM

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what happens when my bacteria spoils in my biochamber though.

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so now I have to worry about spoilage + iron ore

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:50 AM

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Biochamber can now recycle iron ore

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bioflux was not compatible with the heat tower

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at least in my previous glebases, I would need separate heat tower + recycler action to be able to flush old bioflux, and burn eggs/nutrients/spoilage making the sci

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I would have made iron ore compatible with heat tower, but it would have messed with early game furnace/boiler setups

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I could raise the spoil timer maybe for iron bacteria. But idk how much that would help, since you need to actively spoil it for ore

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:58 AM

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I guess my complaint is that there's a lot going on for entering into a 3x3 biochamber.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 1:59 AM

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that is true

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 1:59 AM

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because nutrients + plastic + rocket fuel + iron bacteria + spoilage + iron ore + agri science

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7 things.

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for 1 3x3 square.

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It's really busy

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:00 AM

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ah. your designs are very different from mine

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:01 AM

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keep in mine the infinity chests are there in place of passive because I am not setting up a bot network at the moment.

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*mind

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:01 AM

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i usually do less beaconing, but have biochambers in an actual row of production, including long inserters for less critical things

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:02 AM

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yeah I usually try to get to that point, but gimme a minute.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:03 AM

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it’s still busy, obviously.

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but also one of the spoil results is an item, and not an enemy

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you can probably save a ton of space by making the nutrient belt go 1 lane nutrient, 1 lane rocket fuel. Theoretically, you only need 2 belts in, 1 belt out (to cover one lane per item). Anything more is just added separation, or trying to double up on total belt throughput

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my only reservation about making the biochamber a 4x4 is breaking peoples’ blueprints

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but biochamber should have always been a bigger building

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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"Row"

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It's just a proof of concept.

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It's not clean by any means.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:14 AM

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do you really need that much nutrient?

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Nah, it's just Editor Extensions with the fat line there.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:14 AM

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i thought I made the consumption of quality biochambers become smaller

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yeah, so I would start by mixing the nutrient and rocket fuel belt

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which is going to immediately open a lot of space

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but this is also part of just how you are choosing to build with a giga-beaconed biochamber

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:16 AM

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True. Lemme tone it down a bit for fun.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:17 AM

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most of my biochamber builds tend to be DI, with less heavy beaconning

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i still think there’s just a whole lot of options to mess around here. this is definitely not a “one forced solution” situation

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:34 AM

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It's better. Part of me thinks that the short spoil time on the bacteria might be a PITA at some point though.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:38 AM

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i can make the bacteria timer a little longer tbh. But the easier that makes the science, the harder it makes ore

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:38 AM

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I might just be a nutjob to be honest.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:39 AM

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green belts can move iron bacteria ~420 tiles within its spoil timer, which is >13 chunks of distance

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so i think it should be way more than enough to do what you need to do

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:40 AM

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green oriole It's better. Part of me thinks that the short spoil time on the bacteria might ...

still looks goofy, but I respect it

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thank you for testing the postgame potential more

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most of my testing/planning was around the main game clear (no quality, no added prod, etc)

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Hold up i'm about to try some wizardy with the bio chambers and iron ore recycling because I have a sneaking suspicion that it'll pop off harder than a casino.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:42 AM

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iron ore recycling is immune to prod, btw

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but the biochamber does process it super fast

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 2:43 AM

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but at 37.5% quality though which might more than make up for it

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 2:43 AM

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very true

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the biochamber buffs overall just really help it overcome the drawbacks of needing nutrients

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do let me know if you can do big scale iron ore production

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i expect the best process to use biter eggs for nutrients, with ore from nauvis. Also biochamber is naturally 4x speed vs recycler

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mathematically, ore washing via recycler vs biochamber is a difference in leg ore yield of 1/2682 vs 1/1125, which is like 2.3x better yield

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if you include the full quality on a big miner, it is 1/670 vs 1/375, or 1.8x better

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 3:05 AM

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initial tests on the bio recycling is like 12 to 15 legendary ore per minute from a fully stacked normal ore belt.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 3:14 AM

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how many machines?

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 3:14 AM

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That's the design.

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I am testing out generating quality bacteria to see how that goes next.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 3:15 AM

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green oriole That's the design.

your yield is like double with a big drill with quality

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overall that looks very promising

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 4:26 AM

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This might scale pretty quick.

This isn't even optimized. The intital prod modded bio chamber bacteria isn't even all being used up by the quality ones. Not even a fully nonstacked belt either...

I will keep fiddling around with this because I get a feeling scaling it up to beyond 200/m from like nothing won't be difficult.

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 4:21 PM

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So uuuuuuh

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Legendary Bioflux recycling needs a bit of a nerf.

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That was from 1 biochamber producing bioflux.... The rate that it scaled up at is insane.

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Sorry, I meant bioflux recycling needs a bit of a nerf, not legendary lol.

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The amount of products you get back from it might need to be adjusted down.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 4:57 PM

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green oriole The amount of products you get back from it might need to be adjusted down.

is it a bug or a nerf?

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 5:01 PM

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I can't tell if it's a bug, I just know that it's producing a TON of mash and jelly

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 5:02 PM

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I'll take a look at it. I'm currently doing a fix for Rubia

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 5:04 PM

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No rush - but I figured I'd let you know that it's allowing me to produce a constant stream of legendary iron bacteria.

ripe depot Sep 20, 2025, 5:38 PM

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green oriole

could you send a save file, or more pics of the factory, or a big blueprint string… so I can know (how big of a factory) => (how much leg bacteria).

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is the issue just that bioflux production can get super high prod?

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i also can’t tell from your production stats if there are also other parts of your factory that mess with the stats

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it’s also hard to tell which part of your recipe chain is the offender

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For reference, here is what I can do in-engine:

Change the actual recipe amounts etc (I don’t want to do this, since a recycling recipe not giving 1/4 is going to super confuse people. It currently is at 1/4)
Make a recipe immune to prod and/or quality
Limit the max prod of a given recipe

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 7:32 PM

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All it takes to kick it off is a few legendary bacteria then it just goes crazy. Generating a legendary bacteria is super easy.

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 8:07 PM

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I think I understand why the devs originally made bioflux recycle into itself now.

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Crazy how quick that scaled out of control. 54k/min

green oriole Sep 20, 2025, 8:13 PM

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ripe depot For reference, here is what I can do in-engine: 1) Change the actual recipe amou...

IMO I would change the recipe and then maybe do the thing where there's a chance at an additional product to make up for it being less than 1/4 return.

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Here is the scenario file from the Editor.

📎 Rebalanced_SA_Testing.zip

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 3:54 PM

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green oriole IMO I would change the recipe and then maybe do the thing where there's a chance...

I nerfed the recycling recipe, and capped prod on bioflux. It's still extremely good, but might this be able to slow it down enough?

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this is 1/2x yield on the recycler. 160% max prod on bioflux.

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:01 PM

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For comparison, I've built casino ships that seemed to cap at like 22k/min in base SA for iron ore production, so I feel like 13k/min is a lot more modest

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:05 PM

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i feel like this is also really hard relatively

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:05 PM

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Getting 1.5k/min legendary bioflux in base SA took a lot of capture bot recycling.

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:05 PM

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ikr I hate that shit so much

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and it requires a lot of fancy crap

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maybe keep max prod on bioflux?

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:08 PM

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Yeah that was my huge gripe with legendary agri science in SA. They did not make it easy to produce the legendary bioflux.

When I built a machine to do legendary agri science at 240/s it took something like 205 to 210 belts of fully stacked bioflux going into capture bots then into a bunch of recyclers etc etc just to get 240/s

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:09 PM

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the main thing to be cognizant of is that leg bioflux lets you get most basic things in quality

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you can get leg iron, copper, plastic, sulfur

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:10 PM

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You make a good point there actually.

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:12 PM

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it would basically replace casino, except for calcite/stone

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Right let me test out the changes and see what it would take to produce those things at 240/s each in Legendary.

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It does encourage building on Gleba as well.

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But it can't be too easy either.

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:13 PM

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it’s more a question about how much seems fair, since it is still a pain to upcycle bioflux

green oriole Sep 21, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Agreed.

ripe depot Sep 21, 2025, 4:13 PM

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(since you still need to move a bunch of perishables)

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idk, I do like gleba replacing casinos lol

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