New player struggling to automate stuff

[wet cypress]

I get confused a lot with how i get resources to these automation machines properly. I read online to try and build backwards. So build the thing you want then the resources backwards but its not working for me. I struggle a lot setting up automation that requires multiple resources and getting them too the machine basically. Can someone please give me some advice on this?

[wet cypress]

after a good half hour im getting closer but no iron plates 😭

[steady delta]

From your picture we can see that you know everything to make a proper designs. Keep trying, you are on a good way.

[wet cypress]

bruh ain't no way lmao

[broken schooner]

Im not sure what you're struggling with

[wet cypress]

automation

getting resources to stuff

[broken schooner]

Seems like you have stuff automated in the picture

[steady delta]

Ok a clue: usually people insert directly copper wire into green circuit assembler. But your design work

[wet cypress]

no

[broken schooner]

You're gonna have to be a bit more specific with questions

[wet cypress]

im struggling to make green automation and all sorts of automation

bruh idk how much more to explain my title explains a lot tbh

[broken schooner]

This is the most widely used design

In general what you really need to do at the start is just place a lot of machines

And kill biters

[wet cypress]

wow nice thank you. when it comes to adding multiple resources to automation benches, I get confused on how to order my belts and how to setup basically.

I have biters turned off

[broken schooner]

Ok that's good

I reccomend new players turn biters off

[full kestrel]

Seems like lower green circuits won't be taken out 😂

[wet cypress]

Yeah i kept getting killed lol

[broken schooner]

In general you just want to have belts go straight, and build to the side like you're doing

Take from the belts as you need to

If they become empty add more of that stuff

[wet cypress]

but like when stuff needs 3 or 5 resources how do i correctly do that without getting confused

[broken schooner]

Still 50% machine uptime, good enough

[wet cypress]

hard to see but this isn't working

[broken schooner]

What isn't working?

[full kestrel]

You need to keep in mind the ratios and it's easy to scale

[wet cypress]

im trying to make blue things

fast inserters

[broken schooner]

It's not getting iron

[wet cypress]

I know but it will be really messy me getting it too there and stuff like this will be the same issue when im trying to make green science stuff

[broken schooner]

Split the belt like this to give it

With a splitter

[wet cypress]

how do i take the iron off of this 🙂

[broken schooner]

Just take both

Use a splitter, the assembler will take just the iron

[full kestrel]

With out much tought you could just extend copper-iron belt to fast inserter production

[wet cypress]

okay will that not slow down my copper belt?

[broken schooner]

No

[wet cypress]

oh okay

[broken schooner]

You will see, it's hard to explain belt throughout

[wet cypress]

perfect god this is such a mess lmao 😭 can you please help me on how i do green science and the other ones

[full kestrel]

You could always add one copper cable assembler for there to insert directly to one green circuit assembler

[wet cypress]

good idea 🙂

[full kestrel]

Just use underground tunnels if you have and not much thought needed

[broken schooner]

New players always think their bases are a mess. That feeling isn't "real"
You have a straight belt and space to build, you're doing fine

[wet cypress]

I'm worried about production though

[broken schooner]

You place more machines if you run out of things

[wet cypress]

Okay 🙂 should i replace all my yellows with blue insertors?

[broken schooner]

Sure. Blues aren't too expensive

[full kestrel]

Yeah, my first designs are always just to get production going and later expand with dedicated sections, and little by little disassemble first design

[wet cypress]

okay so it doesn't matter how bad my automation stuff is?

[broken schooner]

Looks like you are in a forest so automating genades is somewhat important to get rid of trees

[wet cypress]

i have no idea how to do green science stuff

how do you get grenades?

[broken schooner]

So long as you understand your build and can expand, it's fine

[full kestrel]

Factorio is great game to actually learn by playing, not too hard learning curve but quite a lot ways to reach goals

[broken schooner]

You make them in assemblers, you might have to research them, so if you don't have them right now don't worry about ut

[broken schooner]

Well you already have insertets automated, you just need to do belts, then you've got everything

[wet cypress]

Okay i see 🙂 can i keep taking iron and copper off of this belt? like won't it slow down like crazy?

[broken schooner]

It's fine for now

[wet cypress]

I tried following a video where someone built like 48 smelters but got confused

[broken schooner]

You will need to build that eventially

[full kestrel]

Just look at belts, when it starts to be empty and assemblers don't get inputs it time to clone or rethink your design

[wet cypress]

okay ill try 🙂 i'll try setup a green science

if i mess up can i ask you guys for some advice?

[broken schooner]

ofcourse

[wet cypress]

I know this isn't opitmal but having the iron on the belt like this at the bottom won't harm my production for smelters right?

[broken schooner]

the furnace making steel might take in the iron ore. i would filter the splitter to only output coal here

then run along the belt and hold f to pick up the iron ore

[wet cypress]

how do i output only coal?

[broken schooner]

click on the splitter and select the filter slot

[wet cypress]

like this?

[broken schooner]

output right

[wet cypress]

ohh cool thank you 🙂

[broken schooner]

do note that when you filter, it won't allow it to pass on the other side, that's why i didn't reccomend it earlier

when you were splitting iron for the fast inserter

[wet cypress]

Ahh okay but normally when its not a smelter having the iron or other resources your not working like this. won't effect production?

[broken schooner]

if the smelter wouldn't take the iron ore, then it being there wouldn't be an issue

[wet cypress]

okay thank you 🙂 i thought it was so thats good too know 🙂

[broken schooner]

also do note, if you're inserting into chests a lot you want to limit the slots to 2-5 slots with the ❌

otherwise you will just be consuming a whole lot of resources to fill the chest

[wet cypress]

Ohh okay any reason for that?

ahh okay 😄 good tip thank you

[broken schooner]

when you get into making more expensive items it starts being bad to make more of it then you will ever use

[wet cypress]

i see thank you 🙂 thats a really good tip

[steady delta]

• faq good

[distant cedar]

Good

the "good" checklist?

1. does it work?
2. does it require no player input?
3. do all the machines work as much of the time as possible?

[steady delta]

• faq ratio

[distant cedar]

Ratios

Spoiler warning: Exact summary of pre-launch science factory ahead.

All sciences

Note: 1 Electric Furnace = 1 Steel Furnace = 2 Stone Furnaces.
Some science recipes produce more than one pack per craft.

The following links are part of / on the page above, but show one science each.
5 Automation
6 Logistic
5 Military
12 Chemical
7 Production
7 Utility

[steady delta]

That's one will help you too https://factoriocheatsheet.com/#nuclear-power

Factorio is a game where you learn on every run, don't expect to have a clean base on first run. Just finish the run and on on a new one with what you learn and what is worked.

Use blueprints to save the design you appreciate.

[wet cypress]

lol so if it works its good basically

[wet cypress]

I'm struggling to make a green farm 😢

[broken schooner]

how so

it seems to be working

[wet cypress]

I'm not sure where to go from here i need steal on that inserter

and the copper coils are stuck

[broken schooner]

wdym stuck

[wet cypress]

like nothing is using them so its not progressing

[broken schooner]

that is not an issue

if you don't need an item, it just stays where it is and hte machines stop

that's actually a great feature, it's not a downside

[wet cypress]

ohh okay

[broken schooner]

but it seems like you need to reverse the green circuit belt

so it can go to the inserters

[wet cypress]

ohh why did that work lol

damn this is such a mess how do i fit the gears on this thing?

ahh nvm lol

nope damn why this so hard

[broken schooner]

what item is the assemblers missing?

wait gears

[wet cypress]

it's missing the transport belts

[broken schooner]

i was gonna suggest this exact thing

good job

[wet cypress]

im missing the belts though

[broken schooner]

yeah

[wet cypress]

not sure how to even get them on this

[broken schooner]

i would reccomend just making the green science a bit further away

[wet cypress]

okay good idea

this is not optimal at all lol

[broken schooner]

right now what is optimal for you is to keep placing machines and have them working

belts are cheap, space is free

[wet cypress]

thats a good point 🙂 thank you

I'm probably focusing too much on being optimal and making it right

[broken schooner]

at some point you will be tempted to restart to do stuff better, but it is a lot better to just make a new build on the current save

[wet cypress]

so don't restart my game just rebuild basically

[broken schooner]

yes, or just keep building

imagine if you restart 4 times, and each save you only produce 1 belt of iron
well if you just stay on 1 save, then you have 4 belts of iron on that save

[wet cypress]

Thank you 🙂 i will do that think im focusing too much on optimization?

[broken schooner]

optimization is a vague term

often times you will want to make builds that produce fully saturated belts of products, that's normal. but you also need to start producing the items to do that

when i start a new mod with new recipes i will start out making 1 assembler of everything, then scaling up to make however much i need

[wet cypress]

i get you makes sense 🙂

[broken schooner]

that's why restarting is bad, because you will actually need to make a base like you have every time

[wet cypress]

what if i run out of my resources though

[broken schooner]

hold w until you find more resources

then place miners

and belt it to your base

[wet cypress]

damn some are really far away though lol

[broken schooner]

better yet, instead of holding w, place radars on the outskirts of your base

to scout

[broken schooner]

belts cost 1.5 metal each

they're incredibly cheap, small and consume no electricity

[wet cypress]

ohh lmao yeah but transporting like 10 minutes walk to my orginal base lmao will it work

[broken schooner]

you can use bricks to pave it and go faster

[wet cypress]

bricks?

[broken schooner]

and there's no way it's gonna take 10 minutes, more like 90 seconds at most

[broken schooner]

the item. you cook stone in a furnace you get bricks you can pave with

you should set that up

[wet cypress]

ohhh? does it boost my movement or something?

[broken schooner]

yes

you can also drive around in a car and place belts while in it

[wet cypress]

what building is it?

[broken schooner]

furnace

[wet cypress]

but the floor thing i mean

like i don't see it 😄

[broken schooner]

brick

[wet cypress]

ohh just place it on the floor?

[broken schooner]

you place them

[wet cypress]

ohhh!!! wtf thank you 😄

[broken schooner]

ye

[wet cypress]

so thats how people are getting around fast

[broken schooner]

yes, and car

[wet cypress]

wow okay 😄 thanks alot learning so much

[wet cypress]

Should i spend the time upgrading all my stuff to furnace 2 and red tracks everything?

[broken schooner]

Steel fuenaces are a very good upgrade

Red belts are a so-so upgrade

[wet cypress]

okay 🫡 i just got steel furnaces

[broken schooner]

It's cheaper to place 2 yellow belts, so it's up to preference

[wet cypress]

okay i see 😄

with the stone is it safe to just spam it on your belts and on rocks etc?

for floors

[broken schooner]

The bricks? Yes

[wet cypress]

yeah like can i put it anywhere ontop of coal or my belt etc

[broken schooner]

Numpad -/+ to increase the placement

Ye

[wet cypress]

wow thank you numpad thing is awesome lol

[broken schooner]

There's a tips and tricks section in the top right of the ui, you will become a lot better in the game if you read trough the as the appear

[wet cypress]

I don't have many how do you unlock them

[broken schooner]

As you play you will

[wet cypress]

seems to be going much better now thank you. I think not focusing on making it all perfect helped a lot 🙂 never got this far before

[wet cypress]

how do i make this faster?

it only reaches like 5 furnaces

[broken schooner]

Paste another line of furnaces

[wet cypress]

i mean like the stone idk if you can see but its only going to reach 5 down the furance line

[wet cypress]

ohhhh 😮

[wet cypress]

how can i put these steel plates so there on both sides? on one belt?

[broken schooner]

https://imgur.com/c76mWa0

[wet cypress]

thank you 🙂

[wet cypress]

how come my station doesn't show up for the train if i put that red train stop down?

Ahh wait theres an in game tutorial you can play what the heck?

Do you recommend i play these tutorials in the tip UI?

[broken schooner]

It's not connected

[wet cypress]

how so?

[broken schooner]

If the name appears red then the train can't find a path

So the rail isn't comnected

You may have placed the staion on the wrong side of the rail

[wet cypress]

i have one of these

[broken schooner]

Station is on the wrong side

[wet cypress]

ohh wow lol should i use two trains on both sides for going up and down?

[broken schooner]

Highly highly reccomend not doing bidirectinal tracks

[wet cypress]

ohh im just trying to automate my fuel

[broken schooner]

There's a 60% chance that new players decide to do bidi rails and 100% chance they get into trouble and it's impossible to help them

Do 1 way rail, that is the normal way to do trains

[wet cypress]

so like a big circle not straight lines?

[broken schooner]

1 way meaning you have one rail going up, and another going down

[broken schooner]

Big circle

[wet cypress]

might be tough lots of trees lol

[broken schooner]

Like this

[broken schooner]

Grenades

But like i said earlier, it's faster and easier to use belts

[wet cypress]

even if its super far away resources?

[broken schooner]

Yes

[wet cypress]

okay i'll just do that then

traveling sucks though and i keep damaging my car like crazy

[broken schooner]

Trains tracks do have insane potential troughput, and you can put multiple different trains trough the same tracks, but they just feel like a solution looking for a problem

Belts are cheap, and you have enough space for belts

[wet cypress]

okay makes sense

is there a better way to get around though i keep crashing the car

[broken schooner]

Car + stack of grenades

Drive slowly and holding down left mouse button with the grenades

That clears a way in front of you

[wet cypress]

oh sweet thanks i'll try that 🙂

[wet cypress]

is there a way to quickly build a lot of stuff?

[broken schooner]

Bots, after blue science

[wet cypress]

oh damn okay :/

[broken schooner]

Up until then, run tiling is the only way. Hold the left mouse button down while running

[wet cypress]

with the blueprint thing up? it always places in the wrong spots though for me

man my stuff is such a mess and it would take ages to fix this so i cn build items automatically im thinking of restarting lol

[broken schooner]

I see you have military science. Get 2 levels of explosive damsge so that grenades 1 shot trees

[broken schooner]

Just build elsewhere. You can leave this base and just let it create the red/green science

[wet cypress]

okay i wish i could work out how to automate items properly though

my belts are going slow af

power is good but slow production

[broken schooner]

Slow how

Do you need more metals?

[wet cypress]

i have so many steel miners though

[broken schooner]

You were talking about getting more ores earlier but you haven't placed miners on all of these ores

30 miners make a full yellow bely, 48 stone furnaces or 24 steel firnaces make 1 whole belt

[broken schooner]

Bottleneck is here

[wet cypress]

how do i fix those

[broken schooner]

You are making close to 1 belt of iron, but you put it into half

[wet cypress]

so what do

[wet cypress]

also look how far got to run for water

😭

[broken schooner]

Splitter and go past

Easiest fiz

[wet cypress]

what you mean

splitter here?

[broken schooner]

Wait never mind, it looks like everything is getting enough resources

No

I think there is mo issue, but you should just make new builds below that get a whole belt of iron to work with

Like this red/green science setup getd half a belt of each metal and that's enough

[wet cypress]

as in mine some new iron and use that new iron for making stuff?

[broken schooner]

Yes

Entire new metal setup from the ground up

Don't leech off this one

[wet cypress]

what should i automate making?

[broken schooner]

Good question

Next up is blue science, so you need oil

[wet cypress]

should i move here?

[broken schooner]

Do you have it unlocked

[wet cypress]

yeah

[broken schooner]

Ok, then you need to automake pumpjacks and refineris or handcraft some, and also bring 2 pumps and some pipes

[wet cypress]

okay should i move up here?

[broken schooner]

You can place the oil setup wherever you want

Though that is kind of far away

As an aside, since you have ores maxed, there's even less of a reason to use trains

[wet cypress]

so many ingredeints to automate how can i fit them all so i can automate them?

[broken schooner]

You have infinite space

Just go wherever and place machines

The red/green science is automated so research everything that allows

[wet cypress]

yeah but how would i get the belts though like it only reaches like two belts

[broken schooner]

To the labs?

[wet cypress]

i mean on the workbenches

[broken schooner]

What's a workbench

Assembler?

[wet cypress]

assembler yeah

[broken schooner]

Moment

[wet cypress]

okay

[broken schooner]

https://imgur.com/2GvtfVm

this is how i like to do it

3 lanes in, 1 out

[wet cypress]

what about the stuff that like requires 5-6 ingredenients lol

pumpjack for example

thats like 8-9 ingredients

[broken schooner]

which items are that?

pumpjack is 4 ingredients

[wet cypress]

yeah but its making all of that stuff though it makes me confused idk

[broken schooner]

you've already done green science, and that required ingredients that had steps

it's the same for the pumpjacks

this would be the more normal way to do blue sciecne

[wet cypress]

damn when im building all the stuff to make that though its a hot mess and i just have stuff all over the place 😭

Should i like build every basic material and then send them someplace for later?

[broken schooner]

depends

you can try that

you gotta mind the belt troughput and assembler ratios

https://imgur.com/TBESpZx

1 copper becomes 2 cable

so that means 1 belt becomes 2

[wet cypress]

why should i do this is it better?

[broken schooner]

you asked if you should make everything in a centralised location and then distribute it, i was using this gif as an example that you have to mind the ratios of the item being produced

[wet cypress]

ahh okay. thank you

[wet cypress]

is this okay? should i split some copper ore for this?

im trying to get all the resources together to build

[broken schooner]

this is fine, but you're inputting the iron on only a half side of a belt, so the output can also only be half a belt

[wet cypress]

how can i fix that

[broken schooner]

i can show you a furnace stack that's designed to account for that, or you can try to design it your self

tell me if you want me to show you

[wet cypress]

yes please

show me please

[broken schooner]

https://imgur.com/TSlce9w

[wet cypress]

hard to see zoomed in quality goes bad but why is bottom bad?

also thank you

should i do that with both copper, iron, and bricks?

[broken schooner]

iron and copper, only bricks if you need a lot of them

[broken schooner]

you are bottlenecking it to half a belt of iron

[wet cypress]

god this going to take me ages to destroy though 😭

[broken schooner]

the top one splits 1 belt into 2x 0.5

[wet cypress]

ohhhh

is there a quick way to destroy?

[broken schooner]

only bots

[inner wind]

Grenades

[broken schooner]

well yeah

[inner wind]

You don't get the buildings back that way though

[wet cypress]

is it possible to get a zoomed in on how that belt is setup?

[inner wind]

+faq sideload | pretty much the right option here

[distant cedar]

Sideload

[inner wind]

But slightly rearranged

[wet cypress]

thank you

[broken schooner]

you can also click the gif

mine isn't high quality, but you can still zoom by clicking

[wet cypress]

is this good

its blurry af for me lol

[broken schooner]

Ye

[wet cypress]

and just do this with iron and thats it?

[broken schooner]

Ye

You can put it under, you have the coal

[wet cypress]

and then should i like group up the items or something

[broken schooner]

In vanilla you just have the 2 metals

[wet cypress]

should i use this coal?

[broken schooner]

Yeah

[wet cypress]

orite thank you 🙂

[broken schooner]

1 belt of coal is enough for 13 furnace stacks

[inner wind]

That's the point of having it go through there - it lets you chain together these furnace stacks

[wet cypress]

ahh i see 😄

[wet cypress]

wait as in 13 stacks of 48 furnaces?

[broken schooner]

yes

or put another way, you can make 13.88 plates of copper with 1 coal

rounded down to 13

[wet cypress]

dang lmao

[modest breach]

thats generally heading to the next furnace stack, to fuel them

[wet cypress]

hows this? im removing everything on the right side and going to make it bigger

[broken schooner]

looks good

[wet cypress]

awesome now only problem is making stuff 😭

[broken schooner]

normally it's not good to build on ores, but you have them maxed so it doesn't matter

[wet cypress]

seems to be bottlenecking to me

[broken schooner]

Place more miners

You need 30 for a yellow belt

But do you have enough electriciry?

[wet cypress]

ohhh no i don't lol

[broken schooner]

You should be getting more ore from that many miners

[wet cypress]

okay yeah now its full it was the electricity

how should i built stuff with this properly

this?

[forest breach]

should be fine for a one off assembler crafter

[wet cypress]

im trying to automate supplies

[forest breach]

if you're doing things in bulk, you may want to use a splitter that then makes useful rows of items to feed multiple assemblers in a line

[wet cypress]

what do you mean how?

[wet cypress]

how to do that

[forest breach]

splitters?

or rows of assemblers?

[wet cypress]

what ever you meant by this lol

i tried to use split but just get this

[forest breach]

try shifting it down by a tile

[forest breach]

now you can have a clean belt of iron going down

[wet cypress]

i don't get it 😭

[forest breach]

it's a component that you can use to build more complex things

[wet cypress]

i thought you meant using splitting to mix half anf half. idk what this does

i already have a line of iron

[forest breach]

it makes one belt become two

[wet cypress]

how can i get my copper and iron on one belt with splitter

[forest breach]

do the same for the copper

and then side load onto a belt going down

[forest breach]

the left one

[wet cypress]

this?

[forest breach]

... sure

[wet cypress]

its bad?

[forest breach]

it's bad if it's not useful to you

it's good if it's useful to you

it is not useful to me, it may be useful to you

[wet cypress]

will this effect my production

[valid junco]

what is this

what am i looking at

[wet cypress]

im a new player

[valid junco]

i notice

[forest breach]

personally i find it easier to keep the horizontal belts clean with single material types (your copper plate/iron plate originally)

[valid junco]

here u go https://factorioblueprints.tech/blueprint/8d29f2a9-555b-4677-86ad-fa45aadc5168?selected=7f0944f8-5655-4d58-8e00-17985f7edf54

[forest breach]

^ ignore that

then combine different materials onto the half/half belts for lines of production for a specific task

ie red science or green science

[scenic pebble]

ah yes sending you an answer sheet to a test while he's still learning the basics of the class

[wet cypress]

im having issues automating stuff because i can't get enough onto the belts

[forest breach]

where you might have 5 or 6 crafters doing science, and a couple making intermediates for the science

[forest breach]

which belts specifically?

[wet cypress]

like resources i mean like i need multiple resources and only have 2 belts of spaces to automate stuff

for assembler

[forest breach]

2 belts of spaces?

[valid junco]

i sent designs of belt balancers?

[wet cypress]

assembler needs like 7 items

can only fit 4 on each belt

[forest breach]

that is not useful here

[valid junco]

?

How he says he cant get enough stuff on the belts

ergo he has to balance it better

ergo produce more

[forest breach]

how do you plan to use a balancer to do that

that's not what balancers do 🦆

[valid junco]

if hes not putting enough on the belts

?

[wet cypress]

im just trying to automate some items

but its not good

the combinations of getting what i need to mix then put on belt into assembler again is confusing

[forest breach]

you may want to keep clean full belts

[valid junco]

use long arms??

[forest breach]

that way you can pick specific things to put onto side factories

[wet cypress]

how so

[forest breach]

how does it keep things clean?

[wet cypress]

idk what that means lol

[valid junco]

?wym are u telling him to use a main bus without a main bus vro?

[forest breach]

(?)

[valid junco]

ur saying keep belts clean in what way

which belts

[forest breach]

easy to plan and see where things are going

[valid junco]

thats called a main bus

[wet cypress]

i just deleted it all

[broken schooner]

now you get to build it again

[valid junco]

wait what are u even trying to automate

[wet cypress]

all the stuffs lol

[valid junco]

ah i see

i wouldnt do that without a main bus tbfh

[wet cypress]

min bus

[valid junco]

main bus

i typoed

[forest breach]

what you had was fine for crafting small amounts of things

[wet cypress]

right now i just want to automate some thing

[valid junco]

main bus is just a bus with the main resources going in the middle of ur base splitting into other things

[valid junco]

like

i would focus on science packs first

until like

[wet cypress]

i can't they hard to do

[valid junco]

rocket

[forest breach]

science is a good place to start - it normally requires items that you'll want to pocket as well

start with red science first

next green science

set a rate as a goal and build for that

[wet cypress]

i can't they require like 50 different items lol

[valid junco]

look at guides if u dont wanna look at ratios atleast and then build urself

[valid junco]

thats the magic of it u just use long arms and 2 belts in the middle

and u dont fill one belt completly with stuff

just 1 side of the belt

[wet cypress]

yeah but i need like to make or automate like 500 different items

thats what im trying to do now

[valid junco]

yeah

[valid junco]

true but i wouldnt start with stuff u dont need rn

[wet cypress]

unless i manually just do it?

[valid junco]

start with science packs

[forest breach]

for red science: iron ore, copper ore, iron plate, copper plate, gears, red science packs

6 items to automate

[wet cypress]

im on blue right now

[forest breach]

you've already done the ore/plates

did you craft red/green science by hand to get to blue?

[wet cypress]

no i automated it but abandoned it because it sucked

[valid junco]

red science ratio is rlly the easiest all u need is a with copper and gears and gears is rlly easy cuz the ratio is 1 gear 10 red science

[valid junco]

look at guides like i said

and just automate along the way

[forest breach]

go unabandon it or build it again then

[wet cypress]

what guides

nah its really bad

too much to delete

i ain't deleting all that bruh

[forest breach]

in that case build it again

set a goal rate and build it real quick

[valid junco]

just search em up on youtube ive found plenty useful ones that are interchangable per demand

[forest breach]

0.5/s is like 6 assemblers to place

green science after will be another 9-10

[wet cypress]

okay but first i automate parts on this blue line where do i send the made parts? how do i split them all for the science etc

it gets confusing

[valid junco]

wait wait

wym

no no

lemme draw it rq

[forest breach]

what parts are you automating for what goal

[wet cypress]

for science

[forest breach]

be specific

[wet cypress]

bruh tbh i don't even know what parts i need

[forest breach]

if it's all the parts for all the sciences, break the problem down into smaller parts

that's too large of a problem

[wet cypress]

i tried that but its executing it

[forest breach]

what did you break it down into

[wet cypress]

step one

[forest breach]

i'd recommend against mixing items on the same lane until you're more familiar with belts

[valid junco]

so the green stuff is the finished product and the other colors are the resources the black stuff is like inserters and assembling machines u use fast inserters or wtv u want and long handed to take stuff or put stuff down u need

[forest breach]

and potentially even keep one item type per belt until you're more experienced

[wet cypress]

okay i see

[valid junco]

like thats just arlly compact way to have stuff on the same belts

and shit

[wet cypress]

one item per belt

so all iron on both sides

[forest breach]

yes

[wet cypress]

how can i modify that though to get it on both sides

[valid junco]

u just use a belt

[forest breach]

you can use a splitter

[valid junco]

or that

[wet cypress]

how to use it too put on both sides?

[valid junco]

wym?

[forest breach]

use a splitter, have one output curve into the other

[wet cypress]

with the splitter on both sides

[forest breach]

main lane stays straight as input and output

[wet cypress]

okay this?

[forest breach]

yes

[wet cypress]

okay now what i do with this part that has the blue X on it

[forest breach]

whatever your goal for it was?

idk what your plan was, you never said

[valid junco]

why dont u just use a splitter before it hits the iron gears wheels so u dont have to make it curve all the way around

[wet cypress]

to make all the sciences

[forest breach]

too broad of a goal

pick a new goal

[wet cypress]

i don't get what you mean

make all the materials for sciences?

[forest breach]

you can have cables go right instead of left then right

[forest breach]

too broad of a goal, pick a new goal

[valid junco]

the copper cables

[wet cypress]

bruh idk

i don't get what you mean

[forest breach]

literally what i say, pick a small goal

[wet cypress]

i mean the cables

bruh idk i need science lol

[valid junco]

u dont need to automate iron cables and iron gear wheels seperately u can just have them in the farm thatll be easier

[forest breach]

ah, you made them go left, around a bit, then right

instead of just going right

it's not bad, just fluffy

[wet cypress]

please draw im confused

[forest breach]

red is excess

green box would be the splitter

[wet cypress]

this?

[broken schooner]

!! ❌

no please don't do this almost ever

https://imgur.com/c76mWa0

pick one of these instead, whicever vibes with you

[wet cypress]

okay 🙂

[broken schooner]

https://imgur.com/NV4M4sz

[valid junco]

yeah but also no why would u ever just have a iron gear wheel farm when the ratio is just gonna bottleneck no?
its a 1 iron gear wheel 10 science pack ratio

[broken schooner]

it's hard to explain troughput, but all 3 of these have the same, and you'r doign the middle example if oyu do what you did in the picture

[broken schooner]

you do need a bit of gears in a mall

[wet cypress]

idk what to do next

[broken schooner]

make pumpjacks, a coule of pumps, and oil refineries

then place them on the oil

that is the only thing you can do to continue

[wet cypress]

idk how to get the materials and build the automation for it

[broken schooner]

which materials

pumpjack is just circuits which you've already made, gears which you ahve in the picture, pipes which are made of just iron, and steel which also is just iron

[valid junco]

yeah but hes not automating iron gear wheels hes doing red science

[wet cypress]

like i need steel, gears, pipes, and circuits like idk how to get it all together

[broken schooner]

i thought he was making a mall

[broken schooner]

you mean into the assembler or?

or just in general

[wet cypress]

yeah basically

[broken schooner]

start by placing pipe assemblers nearby

[wet cypress]

like how i would make it all then organise all 4 onto belts for the assemblers

[broken schooner]

https://imgur.com/2GvtfVm

this uses 2 belts to input 3 materials and output 1

[wet cypress]

yeah but prior to this part.

[broken schooner]

you can use this design for a pumpjack

there's space for a belt under

[wet cypress]

i mean like i need steel right. that makes the pipes. then i need gears, then i have to move these and gears together or something etc. etc.

and its confusing my brain

[broken schooner]

you have belts

they can be any length

and the assemblers can be any place

[wet cypress]

thats not what i mean though i can't get them together properly

[broken schooner]

ok well i'm not sure what i can do about that

[forest breach]

pick a good small useful goal to work on
ie red science
work your way up

[broken schooner]

He's already automated red and green science

[forest breach]

and then abandoned it

if it's still functional that's fine, if it isn't, building it would be ideal

[wet cypress]

yeah i dunno how to build it properly though

[forest breach]

if it works and you are satisfied, it is proper

[forest breach]

my friend builds a bit more sprawling than i do
but main clean lines of resources going east
buildings for crafting something going north
normally belts/inserters would be crafted right under green science or near it, but in this case it was done elsewhere

[wet cypress]

So i should have all resources going down a line like that ?

[forest breach]

if you want

there are many ways to build, many ways to organize

personally i like hauling stuff by train to small factories, so i don't need the main bus of materials

[wet cypress]

train is hard

[forest breach]

everything is hard until you take the time to sit down and look at it to understand it

[wet cypress]

Should i make trains?

[forest breach]

if you find them useful

[wet cypress]

is this good im starting from basics

[forest breach]

looks like it should work

[wet cypress]

it's not super fast but its okay

[forest breach]

in the future you may look at inserting the cable directly across into the green chip crafters

[little gust]

@wet cypress
If you aren't happy with the way your base is set up and it seems too complicated and hard to follow, then its likely from building very messily.

Scaling up and making "more" or "faster" of a thing often means finding a nice way to "parallelize" and put copies of the same thing next to each other cleanly.

You often can't just make a build longer and longer because beltspeed will be a primary bottleneck.

• ie. If a single assembler for a recipe requires 3 iron gears a second, then you can only ever put 5 of them in a line, since only deliver at 15/s total.
• If you've split that belt of gears and instead put half gears and half on it, then thats only 7.5 and 7.5 a second, and that build can only support about 2.5 assemblers.

Same goes for production. Some things will produce 2x of a thing, ie. , from a 1x belt of input. No matter how long you make that belt, eventually it will be full, and further machines down the line will have no space to put their output on it.

[wet cypress]

wym?

[wet cypress]

how do i work out the maths for things im not good at maths lol

[little gust]

When you hover over an assembler with an already set recipe it will show you what items consume and input at in items per second.

[forest breach]

i mean what i say

[wet cypress]

oh so how do i workout my other stuff for it

[wet cypress]

ohh nice good idea thanks 🙂

[forest breach]

or what you'll more commonly find, given the ratio of crafting speeds

[wet cypress]

i'll try build this now

[forest breach]

looking on the right side while hovering the machines

you can see that green chip takes 4.5/s, while copper cable only crafts at 3/s

[wet cypress]

i mean what do i do with that info 😄

[little gust]

Start by writing stuff down on a scrap piece of paper.

ie.

" needs eg. 6 copper wire every 2 seconds"
" Every 2 seconds I can supply 9 copper wire from one assembler.

" 9 / 6 = 1.5, so 1.5 assemblers : 1 assemblers every matching unit of time "

" or 3 :2 "

[forest breach]

4.5/3 = 1.5

[wet cypress]

man im so terrible at maths 😄

[forest breach]

so each green chip is using 1.5 copper cable crafters

[little gust]

This is the bit the math teacher warned you about when they said you'll need it later in life.

[forest breach]

if you need to, try something like the factory planner mods

[wet cypress]

hows this

is this fine?

[forest breach]

that will put it on both sides, but will still be 7.5 items/s

[wet cypress]

so bad?

how do i make it best

[forest breach]

if you're making less than 7.5/s, it's fine if you need the items to be on both sides

[wet cypress]

so is there a better way to put stuff on both sides?

[forest breach]

you can put on both sides at your crafters

[wet cypress]

isn't this the same thing

[forest breach]

no

a belt half filled does not move at twice the speed

filling half the belt is half the rate

[wet cypress]

i see

this is what i struggle with like i have pumps in here but i don't know how to make my factory in this space to automate making these which require 4 ingredients

steel, pipe, cpu, and gears

[little gust]

Start working in ratios of ingredients to each other. And don't keep shoving whole belts of something in if the recipe doesn't require it (unless its copper wire, always make that locally from copper plate).

There's a bunch of things in the game that requires just , and . Write down what the general usage ratio of each ingredient is, and reflect that ratio on incoming belts, ie.

1 whole belt of , 1 whole of , 1/2 belt of and 1/2 of

[wet cypress]

aw your right it is mostly just gears plates and cpu. i don't know how to organize my automaters basically and in what order to make stuff

[forest breach]

that comes with planning

set the goal, plan out the goal, implement the plan

[wet cypress]

can you guide me on how

[forest breach]

ie "0.5/s red science"
block of 5 red science crafters + 1 gear crafter
reorganize to be belted

[wet cypress]

whats the first photo about

[forest breach]

line 2

block of 5 science crafters + 1 gear crafter

just placing the buildings so i can see how many are needed and how much space they'll occupy

[wet cypress]

So like you plan out what you need by first placing them like photo 1 then reorganize into photo 2?

[forest breach]

and also makes sure i have all the buildings i need

yes

[wet cypress]

So i should do this with everything when planning? first place out like photo 1 then photo 2

[forest breach]

can use ghosts with shift+click and move them around with ctrl+x/ctrl+v

depending on what you're doing, like blue science or similar

[wet cypress]

okay i'll try this

[forest breach]

it can still be useful for things like a belt maker, so you can see how the different crafters interact when going from yellow -> red -> blue

[wet cypress]

like this?

[forest breach]

sure

[wet cypress]

you don't sound positive about it 😄

apparently thats all i need

still don't get how im supposed to get all 4 for this onto it

[inner wind]

Have you considered ?

How about putting two items on one belt?

[wet cypress]

i'll try too it might be tough though

can you move stuff once its placed?

[inner wind]

Just pick it up again and place it elsewhere

[wet cypress]

okay 🫡

[forest breach]

ctrl+x ctrl+v

if you have bots, they'll do it for you

[inner wind]

Using ghosts can make things easier, as you can just cut/copy/paste those instantly

[forest breach]

if you don't, you can pick up and place, and it will have the settings again

[wet cypress]

okay i'll use ghost first then

do i hold shift for ghosts?

[forest breach]

yes

[wet cypress]

is this good?

[inner wind]

+faq good

[distant cedar]

Good

the "good" checklist?

1. does it work?
2. does it require no player input?
3. do all the machines work as much of the time as possible?

[forest breach]

looks like it will work

[wet cypress]

does it work yes, does it require no player input, yes, do all machines work as mch of time as possible? idk lol

[inner wind]

#3 can be dropped for mall stuff

[wet cypress]

all this seems like a lot no?

[inner wind]

Why?

[wet cypress]

idk this required a lot of work i had to build a steel furance and all sorts for this

[inner wind]

Welcome to Factorio :P

[inner wind]

The factory grows to meet the growing needs of the factory

[wet cypress]

will this main line not run out though? should i add seperate steel and copper lines?

[inner wind]

At some point it will

If you leave some space that's an issue you can deal with when it happens though

[wet cypress]

okay i see 🙂 i think ghosting and placing down like phflack said helped a lot with planning

its really hard to plan out stuff on this game

[inner wind]

Your brick belt appears to be blocked by a lamp lol

[wet cypress]

good spot i didn't even notice that lmao

is there a way to turn all my lights on at all times?

i hate when its dark

[inner wind]

You can connect a circuit to them to force them on

[wet cypress]

how do i do that

[inner wind]

Grab circuit wire from toolbar, connect to lamp. Set some condition that's always true

[wet cypress]

one of these?

[inner wind]

Don't think you need a combinator tbh

Just the wire. They're on your toolbar

[wet cypress]

i don't have any wire i don't think

[inner wind]

One of the shortcuts on the right side of the toolbar

[wet cypress]

ahh red green and copper which one i use

[inner wind]

red or green

[wet cypress]

okay done thank you 🙂

finally making some progress on this game

look good? gotta be the weirdest build of all time

[inner wind]

Looks good to me

Here's mine lol

[wet cypress]

bruh lmao

that looks complex af

[inner wind]

Mild spaghetti

[wet cypress]

did you plan that out or just went with it

[inner wind]

I just built stuff from right to left as I needed it

[wet cypress]

how come stuff is all over the place

[inner wind]

Which is why you can see it slowly devolve into chaos going left lol

[wet cypress]

i mean if it works right 😄

rule 1? or 2 😄

i should stop focusing on perfection

[inner wind]

At some point the spaghetti gets bad, but also you unlock bot logistics so you can just start doing this

[wet cypress]

ohh nice 😮 what is that doing

does spaghetti even matter?

[inner wind]

Gets bots to deliver the ingredients lol

[inner wind]

As long as you don't feel too compelled to just start building a completely new factory, not really

[wet cypress]

ahh okay 😄

[inner wind]

The rest of the base is slightly more organized than that

slightly

[wet cypress]

i see you have trains are they worth making

i struggle using them

[inner wind]

They're nice for picking up stuff from random places far away and depositing it in a central location in your base. Or wherever you need it around your base

[wet cypress]

i see i see 🙂 god this is such a hot mess look at this for assemblers 😭

lol

this is bad right? 😭

[inner wind]

Gears are something you will need a ton of around a mall, putting those on a belt is usually worth the effort

[wet cypress]

okay i'll do that 🫡

[wet cypress]

is this bad though? 😭 😄

[inner wind]

nah

[wet cypress]

i have a problem how can i continue these green cpus up the belt

[inner wind]

Split green again. Merge half of it back into the inserter belt

[forest breach]

+faq hood

[distant cedar]

Hood

[inner wind]

lol

[wet cypress]

i only want some green going left and right

[forest breach]

\🦆

[inner wind]

Almost

You'll want to split the belt first

Then on one side block off the inserters

[inner wind]

Closer

Underground belt is going the wrong way

[forest breach]

can just hover and rotate/flip it

[wet cypress]

ohh nice thank you 😄

[forest breach]

can also turn south right after the underground if you wanted to

[wet cypress]

how so?

[forest breach]

hover the belt, press R

[wet cypress]

this?

[forest breach]

yes

[wet cypress]

how is this even working lmao

[inner wind]

Even cleaner

[wet cypress]

now i have problem up here

[inner wind]

Why?

[wet cypress]

i need cpu on left and right

[inner wind]

That's the exact same problem you just solved

In this case I would argue for not splitting the belt at all though

Just run it past that machine and continue up

[wet cypress]

i can't because of spaces

[inner wind]

What do you mean?

[inner wind]

Just one belt

[wet cypress]

oh yeah lmao 😄

[inner wind]

Could even use a long handed inserter on that fast inserter machine to make it straighter lol

[wet cypress]

boom god this is such a mess lmao

[wet cypress]

how come you use so many underground tunnels btw

[inner wind]

Gotta make things fit

Run new belts where none existed

Some are remnants of belts that were removed

[wet cypress]

i see 🙂

how does my farm look so far bad?

it works so it passes 😄

is there a way to make this better? right now its causing me to slow my steel making

[stiff wind]

This is enough for 12 Steel Furnaces, you have 10 active. Next thing would be to connect the other two, instant +20% Steel

[wet cypress]

maybe i should copy how the steel plates is done and move the steel smelting underneath and copy the left?

[stiff wind]

ok, "this is enough" meant the belt only
because those 16 stone furnaces only make enough iron plates for 8 steel furnaces

but those stone furnaces can be upgraded to steel furnaces

[wet cypress]

the blue highlight is bottleneckling it though

[stiff wind]

yes, but that bottleneck has enough throughput for 12 steel furnaces, you have 10

can use a red belt for the mixed belt to double it

[wet cypress]

put reds where the circle is?

[stiff wind]

yes, the entire belt that has both coal and iron plates

[wet cypress]

okay i see that helped a bit thank you

[stiff wind]

ok, back to my own factory
it needs growing

[wet cypress]

good luck 🙂

[wet cypress]

is there a way to like get rid of items that have accumlated in your inventory like lots of bricks, ores coals etc? without using tons of chestS? i have chests all over the place

[stiff wind]

bricks you can put in your assemblers making walls
coal into furnaces
etc.

hold the item, press Ctrl and drag the mouse over those buildings. places an entire stack in each

or, if you really want to get rid of the items, put them in a chest, then destroy the chest

[wet cypress]

ahh yeah what about iron or copper ores or plates?

[stiff wind]

shift + space to force fire iirc, or use grenades

put them in buildings that consume them

[wet cypress]

hmmm okay not sure what to put the plates on though

[stiff wind]

open the factoriopedia, find iron plates.
factoriopedia tells you what consumes them

[wet cypress]

what do i do with this fuel stuff i don't get it

okay i worked it out lol

how do i get the water too here though?

[wet cypress]

why isn't anything happening here im so confused

[little gust]

yeah, its a surprisingly effective tactic.

[wet cypress]

yes its working really well for me 🙂

[little gust]

You..do need to connect all required fluids

[wet cypress]

bruh

[wet cypress]

nothing happens

[wet cypress]

bruh i wasn't even filling them up thats why 🤣

half hour later lol

[wet cypress]

guys i need to get this sulfur any ideas?

[inner wind]

To where?

[wet cypress]

nvm i got it

i needed it to go down for blue science

this has been absolute hell to setup

[inner wind]

[wet cypress]

what about

[inner wind]

You do not need to go staight for a tile after an underground lol

[wet cypress]

wdym?

[wet cypress]

i don't see what i did wrong

[inner wind]

It's not wrong, it's just unnecessary belts lol

[wet cypress]

where?

[wet cypress]

it wont let me do that

[inner wind]

Why not?

[wet cypress]

oh actually it did

bro this was such a pain to make

like dear lord

bruh

how can i sort this

the pipe and gears 😭

[inner wind]

Sideloading

[wet cypress]

how in this spot though

tracks in the way and stuff

[inner wind]

Inserters will always put items on the far side of the belt, so either the gear and pipe assemblers need to be on opposite sides of the belt, or you need to have them on separate belts and sideload

[wet cypress]

i dunno how to fix it though the tracks there

[inner wind]

I like doing this if two machines need a single input item (and I only need one of each machine)

[wet cypress]

i'll have to delete my track though

[inner wind]

I mean, would it be hard to move the track?

[wet cypress]

yeah idk how to relign it

it won't do it correctly

[inner wind]

Show me

[wet cypress]

ahh nvm i did it

usually it wont let me

now i got another problem how i supposed to get the steel lol

[inner wind]

The rail planner can be a bit fiddly, sometimes moving the mouse far ahead of where you want to go can help, especially with going straight or making small turns

[wet cypress]

i see thanks for that 🙂

[inner wind]

Belt?

[wet cypress]

this did it

only just had the space

do i have to make a lot of autmoted blue science how many should i have automated i have 4 right now

[inner wind]

You'll want to make it at the same rate as the other science packs

[wet cypress]

and if this was you how would you move the blue to either or here?

[inner wind]

Train, probably. Or a very long belt

[wet cypress]

belt would take a long time but probably quicker than building entire train

[inner wind]

I usually try to build my science builds close to my labs though, and move the high volume stuff by train

[wet cypress]

okay do you think i should use belt or train?

[inner wind]

Read my nickname and make a guess

[wet cypress]

such a pain though lmao last one took me 2 hours to make

i'll use belts this time round next time i'll just make sure to use trains and build better

[inner wind]

Rails are easily reused though. Once you have a track going that way you can put whatever else you want over it too

[wet cypress]

true but i think it would take too long

okay yeah train better lol

do you have any tips for making the train tracks nice?

its so hard to make tracks

[inner wind]

Straight lines, not too many turns

[wet cypress]

how would you connect this though?

[inner wind]

Probably like this

[wet cypress]

that's perfect thank you

if trees or rocks in the way remove them and keep track straight?

[inner wind]

Could go north a bit more if you want to avoid the coal patch

[inner wind]

Yes

Though you can pan your route to avoid going through a massive forest lol

[wet cypress]

true i like your route though ill stick too it

[inner wind]

You can go pretty crazy with things lol. I mostly followed the forest paths here

[wet cypress]

wow thats a nice setup

so the goal is to keep it as straight as possible

[inner wind]

This map is a bit more typical for me, especially the west side

[wet cypress]

ohh nice how did you make those perfect circles

[inner wind]

^

Here's an old 1.1 rail base

With a fully developed rail network

[wet cypress]

wow how did you manage that lmao

[wet cypress]

wow thats awesome 😄

should i do mine like that or just keep it one line?

[inner wind]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet cypress]

i made it

[inner wind]

Having two tracks makes things more expandable

But also it doesn't look like you have a map that requires a lot of long distance transport

[wet cypress]

how do i make it go back and forth btw? like i can only do it with a looped track

[inner wind]

Need a locomotive on both ends

[wet cypress]

ohhh makes sense

[inner wind]

Do note that a locomotive being pulled in reverse is a significant amount of dead weight though

[wet cypress]

should i just make it loop back lmao?

[inner wind]

Your rails will be more compact but your trains will be slower

Though if you're transporting science I really doubt that's a concern

[wet cypress]

yeah true lol 😄

should i set automate to empty cargo and full cargo? might take a long ahh time with science

[inner wind]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

You can use item count / empty cargo if you think it will take too long

[wet cypress]

good idea thanks 🙂

[inner wind]

It mostly affects startup time though

[wet cypress]

should i make boosters? and if so what ones and for what thing

[inner wind]

Boosters?

[wet cypress]

this things

[inner wind]

You can. You don't have to. They're pretty neat

[wet cypress]

whats best ones to make and put them in?

finally 10+ hours later lol

[modest breach]

They have different uses. Should read the tooltip to see what uses they have

Also using actual name helps more than a vague "booster"

[wet cypress]

speed module, effeiceny module, productivity module

[modest breach]

Got covered now. Just saying using vague names in future helps less.
They all have different uses. Can use one, two, or even all 3 in combination if you wanted

[wet cypress]

i see 🙂 since i have blue now how do i get those robots your using

[inner wind]

Open tech tree, press ctrl-f, type "robot"

[wet cypress]

cool how can i queue this up?

[modest breach]

Ctrl f will work basically everywhere too. You map, craft window. Any time it could be useful

By meeting I the other requirements

[inner wind]

Click tech, click "add to queue"

[modest breach]

Notice a yellow and 2 red above it

[inner wind]

Repeat until you have all techs you want queued

[wet cypress]

is it hard to make the robots?

[inner wind]

Check their recipe and decide for yourself

[wet cypress]

wow electric furnace requires no coal? thats cool 😮

[inner wind]

I mean, possibly

[wet cypress]

thats just made building 2x easier

[inner wind]

If you use boilers for power they just require twich as much coal but far away

[wet cypress]

oh true still using coal to power them

[modest breach]

Recommend them with eff modules. And/or nuclear/solar power

[wet cypress]

haven't made solar power should i have?

[inner wind]

You can. You're not required to

As with pretty much anything in this game

Have a look at them, figure out if they're valuable to you, decide if you want to use them.

[wet cypress]

okay i will 😄

sorry for the questions but how do i get and store water without a train?

[modest breach]

Pipes. Tanks.
Do you need to STORE it. Or just transport it

Water is infinite so you aren't running out

[wet cypress]

basically i want to make the concrete floors

and my water is really far away

[modest breach]

Just transport it. Pipe or train works.
There's barreling. But eww

[wet cypress]

how do you then make the concrete with the water?

do you have to put it in an assembler or something

[modest breach]

What have you tried to accomplish creating it

What's the hurdle to crafting it you see

[wet cypress]

what do i select here for emptying water?

[wet cypress]

i just used long long pipes lol

[modest breach]

and long pipes are functional yes.
well your emptying your fluid tanks at this location?

so what sounds like it would be good for emptying something

[wet cypress]

it wont move

[modest breach]

you have both fluids set to > a number, so how much water is currently in it?

[wet cypress]

i don't know i just want to do till its full then till its empty

[modest breach]

look at the wagons, how much do they have.
and yes these conditions with tweaks can accomplish it, but theres a simpler option available

[modest breach]

ok so its empty.
the wait conditions are for when the train leaves the train station.
so what condition should you set to leave the station, for when its empty, or at 0

[wet cypress]

idk

i had it set as empty fuel didn't work

[modest breach]

its not a trick question.
its simple "leave when empty" find a setting there

fuel = train fuel, not cargo inventory

[wet cypress]

fluid would be cargo?

[modest breach]

the 3 slots on the train you stick coal/other fuels into it

it can be, try it, see if it works

[wet cypress]

aww thank god i think it worked

[modest breach]

notice that fuel tab, kinda goes with "fuel all/any/full fuel, etc

[wet cypress]

what do you mean lol

[modest breach]

when you said you tried "empty fuel"
the fuel tab, those go directly together

water isnt a fuel

[wet cypress]

ahh okay i get it now 😄 thank you

[modest breach]

also you can rename train stations so your stations actually are related to the use of them, not just random names

[wet cypress]

ohhh sweet i didn't know that 😄

[modest breach]

always look over the UI closely, theres a lot of buttons people just, never look at and even fewer actually click to see what they do

[wet cypress]

Okay i'll do that from now on thank you 😄

[wet cypress]

i built all of this just for it too hardly work 😦

[inner wind]

Just sit and look at it for a bit

Try to spot the bottlenecks

Fix them, then repeat

[wet cypress]

i seem to be not making enough green cpu

but i'd have to remove the entire thing to fix it