#all im hearing is we are getting

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pine walrus
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I'm actually kinda unsure entirely what I want in my mod lol. A dyson sphere is of course an option, but I don't feel the need to create my own if so many are also making them. I may just add compatibility

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Part of why I've not been working on it all the time is my idea of what I want to do is actually kind of unclear. The one solid thing is I want the player to have to go close to the sun for some benefit

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I almost want it to be a foil to going out into the depths of space to get promethium and how that is an improvement to your factory as a whole

lucid jewel
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well currently its just the sun texture right ?

pine walrus
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I have a couple other things in place from mostly testing and goofing. This just has the sun yoinked

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The big thing I have implemented is a building that gains speed and productivity as you get closer to the Sun

lucid jewel
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how did you make it
mini beacon with a script changing the modules ?

pine walrus
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correct

lucid jewel
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i would have an idea for a challenge for the mod
having to design a ship with a new overheat mechanic in mind
sun rays would constantly come from the front of the ship as long as it is in sun orbit

pine walrus
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Overheating is also something I am sure about implimenting lol. Maybe some way to allow ships to last longer, but reaching the Sun itself will be impossible

lucid jewel
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well you could have multiple orbits maybe, but i probably wouldnt make more than 2 sun orbits
other mods already add some so you would need to add compatibility with them

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or have it be the inverse of the shattered planet

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with a "flight condition"

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instead of a "stop condition"

pine walrus
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The inverse of the shattered planet is the goal. It has a flight condition and everything :)

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As I mentioned, I want it to be a foil to promethium science where it benefits your factory as a whole kinda in the same ways. Some ideas (without considering how OP) are prod researches for the sciences, but it's a small bonus (like 1-2%) with each level, or using scripting to lower lab consumption overall with research. Of course that could get OP fast so

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There will be a science corresponding to this stuff of course

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as seen here

solar-science-pack.png
lucid jewel
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the prometheum lab research is boring af imo

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sadly

pine walrus
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Oh yeah I agree lol. One of the things I've been on the fence about is whether I want it to be only Sun related stuff, or also adding promethium stuff. That would kind of lose focus on the Sun then so maybe it would be a second mod? Yeah I dunno, stuff to consider

lucid jewel
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sun research and dyson sphere would go great together imo
maybe needing prometheum as a building material for the sphere

pine walrus
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I do want to add more promethium sciences at some point one way or another for sure. I've got some ideas, but it's hard to think of some that aren't more vertical scaling (as I feel there is plenty of that)

lucid jewel
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also question since ive not looked into it yet

is the sun texture changeable midgame

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or only on game start

pine walrus
pine walrus
lucid jewel
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any idea how to make a progressively growing DS ? XD

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can planets be toggled midgame ?

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making them invisible

pine walrus
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I bet there is some cheaty hacky way of doing it, but with how cheaty the whole thing would be? That turns me away from it

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I also do not believe so

lucid jewel
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there must be some way, just have to get creative enough

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it would make such a great effect

pine walrus
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Yeah for sure. The problem is the more creative you have to be, the harder it is to code lol

lucid jewel
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do you also intend to add functionality for the "visual planets" mod

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making the sun grow in size the closer you get, and smaller if youre in orbit around other planets

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-# anyways, im full of ideas, but too stupid to make them reality

pine walrus
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I did add functionality yuh. WiFi is being weird here but I’m trying to send a pic. I realized it’s kinda pointless if the platforms never reach the sun (there are ideas around this that function the same).

I’d probably have to write my own code to render the sun to grow as you approach it tbh. Maybe it’ll be hard, maybe not

lucid jewel
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well the planet visualizer already has the planets grow
but i think thats a static animation thats played on arrival

pine walrus
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Yes it happens on arrival. I'd have to do my own stuff to make it happen on approach

lucid jewel
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i wonder if you can tie it to to distance left somehow

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cause thats already a readable number

pine walrus
lucid jewel
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love the sun flares

pine walrus
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Should be able to! It should be possible now that I'm thinking about it. I'd probably just include it into the mod itself and not require visual planets

lucid jewel
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the other mods are missing the flares

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theyre great

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maybe dont put the sun in the same place that the planet mods puts its planets

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this way they will be automatically compatible

pine walrus
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Yeah I've got some ideas brewing lol. As for what the mod adds though... do you have any ideas? My goal is improve your factory as a whole with the science. Vertical scaling ideas are good to have as well, such as module t4s

lucid jewel
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well the sun is plasma
we can already generate plasma with the fusion reactor
maybe an alternate use for plasma like a turret or shield

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wait is the sun plasma ?

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i skipped physics

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burning gas ball

pine walrus
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Not entirely plasma, but there is plasma near the Sun yes lol. The issue with that is that's just giving the player free fluroketone lmao

lucid jewel
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if you could collect it you mean

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solar flare collecting seems nigh impossible

pine walrus
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Those are the buildings that get speed and productivity as you approach. So technically you can do all the stuff this mod offers from Aquilo, but it's gonna be a slooooow process

lucid jewel
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what else do you already have btw
the buildings and the sun texture

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oh is the sun animated btw ?

pine walrus
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Nope the Sun isn't animated. I didn't look into that, but I'm sure it might be possible? The graphics skills required would be beyond me as I just ripped a 4k image from google lmao

pine walrus
lucid jewel
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heres a couple things maybe:

  • asteroid / sun ray spawning
  • heat shield
  • cooling mechanic
    all of which probably play into each other
pine walrus
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Oh! I did also conciously choose to have no asteroids on the way. That provides a bigger challenge and is also pretty realistic

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A cooling mechanic may be something to look into

lucid jewel
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i have a simple idea for cooling

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heat shield would just be walls that generate heat and can overheat (taking damage)
you can connect heat pipes to them and transfer the heat to the back of the ship to turn into steam, thereby getting rid of the power

pine walrus
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Ooo I do like that, I'll keep that in mind

lucid jewel
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and cause theres no asteroids for ice, you would have to stockpile a good bit of water

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and maybe a secondary form of heat dissipation

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i think we have 1 or 2 other things in IRL

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a heatsink for example

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not sure on its effectiveness in space tho

pine walrus
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Feel free to message me with more ideas, I'm all ears

lucid jewel
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a progression thing:

  • at the start you only have the sun as a travel point, after some researches you unlock a stable orbit
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ye gotta think a bit

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i had also started looking into modding, most i managed was editing someone elses code tho

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so i at least have some idea as to what can be done

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  • maybe cold fluoroketone as an alternative more effective heat sink

  • melting ores as heat buffer, the needed numbers are already ingame as Joules
    (could be done by changing the foundries energy type to heat)

lucid jewel
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Ima try having a look at your sun mod, to see if it can be animated

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Ive defined animations for a building before

pine walrus
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One thing is for sure is I want to leave anything in the current game left untouched. I want this to be a plug and play type mod which works without changing your factory and can be installed whenever. Changing the foundry prototype is something I won’t do for sure

lucid jewel
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It would be a new one, i just used it as an example

pine walrus
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Ah gotcha

nimble meadow
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I have an idea about simulating heat damage to ship from getting closer to the sun: invisible untargetable asteroids that will do an impact damage to your ship

lucid jewel
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I wouldve done a script that cast rays vertically
And if the first thing it hits isnt heat shield, it would take damage

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I also dont know how feasable this is tho

nimble meadow
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In that case, probable just find all entities in surface (I hope each ship has different surface) and check their coordinates

lucid jewel
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Why all entites

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Only the ones exposed to the sun would matter, right ?

nimble meadow
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Well, how would you know which ones are exposed to sun?

lucid jewel
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Raycasting from north to south
If it hits a heatshield that line is save
If it hits anything else, it takes damage

nimble meadow
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How do you do raycasting? Never heard about that in factorio scripts

lucid jewel
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Doesnt have to be raycasting, theres probably easier ways

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Its just to get the point across

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Asteroids are just raycasting too if you think about it

nimble meadow
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My point is: you'll have to do that yourself, so get all entities coordinates in that case

nimble meadow
lucid jewel
nimble meadow
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That's why my idea was about invisible asteroids

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Not sure what' more efficient perfomance wise

lucid jewel
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I mean this whole thing only has to be called once when the ship starts flying towards the sun

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Then maybe every 10 seconds, just in case the player edited the ship in any way

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Or you can probably make it on event
When player places anything, you grab that row and reanalyze it

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Easiest would ofc be just using existing systems tho

nimble meadow
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Maybe check it at start of journey to sun and then hook up event for building on that surface that will enable next check in 10s? That will make minimum number of find_entities_filtered = 1

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Script damage will be more smooth, compared to asteroid random

lucid jewel
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Maybe not asteroid

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THeres other types of damage probably

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Could just have a bunch of small invisible tanks spawn in front of the ship, and have em drive into the ship to cause dmg

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Silly

nimble meadow
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Hmm, it looks like script doesn't allow to spawn asteroids, only asteroid chunks

lucid jewel
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Would have to create a new asteroid type, and make a spawn table for that route

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But asteroid is inconsistent dmg, so anything else would probably be better

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Also gotta get the heat shield to emit heat in proportion to the closeness to the sun

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Any idea there

nimble meadow
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Script on tick check

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You can't get a distance on space route any other way afaik

lucid jewel
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How did they do it for solar panels

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They used the daytime slider, right ?

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In space

nimble meadow
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I think they are hardcoded calculations

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At least we can get a distance on space route easily now

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It required manual calcualtions every tick based on speed before

lucid jewel
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For heat shield, could probably just use heatpipes with adjusted
texture, health, heat throughput and resistances

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And since hes already got a script for determining how close to the sun he is, he can reuse it to increase heat buildup inside the heat shield

lyric vector
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If you can change the damage type of an asteroid and then set the heatshield to resist that damage type st 100%, I think that would be the easiest way.

Now I have an evil idea of spawning a rare huge asteroid as well and the heatshields would mean you can't have railguns pointed straight up and would need to do angled railguns to keep them shielded

lucid jewel
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Very nice