Quality asteroids | Factorio | Page 1

old island Feb 28, 2025, 7:37 PM

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Would the quality asteroids give you quality asteroid chunks?

plucky brook Mar 1, 2025, 7:17 AM

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I looked into it but doesn't seem like I can do that

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Asteroid Chunks are implemented in a very odd way that they aren't even Entities

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this implementation in the first place is jank anyways

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The game doesn't out of the box have a way to have asteroid spawns be of quality so I have to spawn dummy asteroids to be replaced with quality versions

night raft Mar 10, 2025, 10:45 PM

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why not just keep the dummy asteroids, which can drop dummy quality asteroid chunks, which insta-spoil into normal asteroid chunks of the correct quality?

old island Mar 11, 2025, 12:01 AM

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night raft why not just keep the dummy asteroids, which can drop dummy quality asteroid chu...

I'm pretty sure you could just make the asteroid chunks drop the quality chunks directly

plucky brook Mar 11, 2025, 5:48 AM

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old island I'm pretty sure you could just make the asteroid chunks drop the quality chunks ...

nope they just lack quality

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Asteroid chunks are not entities

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they're done some optimisation or something to them

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also it'd be either just too busted or too obnoxious if they did drop in quality

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If an easier way to do this arises in a future update I'll still add it as an option

plucky brook Mar 11, 2025, 6:14 AM

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though you mention spoiling which actually yeah that just might work

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but it'd need to go to scripting

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because items can only spoil to the same quality

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:03 PM

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@plucky brook I was just looking at your code and implementing quality chunk handling

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ping me when you have some time on your hand, I'll show you how

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I made a small POC on my side

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:04 PM

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hm

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oh right you made that spoilage library

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:04 PM

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yep

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Couple hours ago, I thought of your mod and decided to check if you had solved the problem, and looked at what was possible

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:05 PM

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ideally I want to burn my mod and build it up from scratch because man is it jank as shit

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:06 PM

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it... looks a bit janky 😄 but I wouldn't allow myself to comment what I couldn't have done ahah. Honestly, I haven't dug to see if there is a better solution than what you are doing

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:06 PM

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perhaps it'd have made more sense for the quality dummies to all just be done during the prototype stage

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like for each quality

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instead of being done during runtime

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:07 PM

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bingo

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🙂

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:07 PM

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not that huge of a difference though really but probably something I'd fix when I get time

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:08 PM

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BUt I'm not sure you can force a REAL quality on prototypes at data stage

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:08 PM

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it'd still have to be swapped out during runtime anyways I'm pretty sure

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:08 PM

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But for chunks, yeah, my idea involves having 1 dummy per quality

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I was looking into your mod because I was thinking of improving RSL to handle quality better ('atm its not configurable, it just keeps the quality of the source item)

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and I was effectively looking at use cases where a modder using RSL would want to force certain qualities

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and I remember your mod and your limitation

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I saw that in your code, you hotswap each asteroid with quality dummies BUT the chunks

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if you also have dummies for the chunk, I can give you quality items based the the name of the chunk 🙂

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:10 PM

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the dummies notably are during the asteroid spawning

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:10 PM

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And I mean, real item with real quality that depends on the chunk

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:11 PM

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when it breaks into smaller ones it just automatically inherits the quality

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except for the chunks

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they don't inherit it

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:11 PM

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Because chunks don't have a quality, got it.

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hum

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:11 PM

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so I'd need to make dummy chunks that turn into dummy items

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:11 PM

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can you also use your script to replace the chunks ?

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:12 PM

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with a bit of modification yeah

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:12 PM

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cuz I think each step of asteroid breaking is handled by script anyways

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:12 PM

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currently I'm just filtering out the chunks

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:12 PM

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this modification ? 😄

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:13 PM

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well probably a little bit more

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:13 PM

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probably yes :p

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:13 PM

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first gotta actually make the quality chunk dummies

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:13 PM

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I made a loop for that too

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:14 PM

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one concern is whether the item is created when its grabbed or when it enters the machine

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it'd be quite unfortunate for it to be the former

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:15 PM

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when it's grabbed

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but it doesn't matter

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:15 PM

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oh that's fine ok

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:15 PM

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My poc works with 1 variant

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if it does, it will work with N variants

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I just need to check that I can interact with the arm of the collector

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which I'm guessing is an entity that holds an "itemstack"

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I can check that

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gimme just a sec

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:18 PM

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also something that I didn't quite understand was with quality chances, I've roughly implemented how it works in this image but it just seems all really wrong

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unless it means that qualtiy or greater

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which then actually that just makes sense huh

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a proper rewrite I'd have to do tomorrow when I have more time

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:24 PM

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hum...

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the source entity of the spoil effect is "asteroid-collector"

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I don't know how to access the arm

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:25 PM

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is there like a second inventory on the asteroid collectors?

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:26 PM

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first thing I checked :/

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:26 PM

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oh also just had a thought, even normal quality asteroids would need to drop these dummies since we can't have duplicate asteroids as it would mess up asteroid targetting priorities

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so would need to just overwrite in this case

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:29 PM

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Hum....

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If I can't access the arms, I can't hotswap the item

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Maybe I was a bit too optimistic

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I need to investigate that further.
I know that I can detect which collector collects what, and therefore, swap the item inside the collector

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but our goal would be to replace it in the arm directly

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:32 PM

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how would filters work with this?

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:32 PM

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that's a great question

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I would assume each chunk dummy is distinct

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unfortunately

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:40 PM

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Ok was trying to implement support for modded qualities and I dig this up

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that is very bizarrely implemented

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I don't know if I really want to implement it that way for this

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and on second thoughts maybe supporting modded qualities isn't a good idea

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might not be very cool to see unkillable tier 20 asteroids just for having that mod

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:46 PM

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ahahah

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you could give out an option to allow or disallow it

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And yeah the filter thing can be an issue...

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and... would it... ? To allow people to filter out certain qualities ?

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idk

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there we go

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:50 PM

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I guess the main concerns are the UI being cluttered and not being able to use quality signals to get the quality chunks

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but gotta make compromises

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:51 PM

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arf... I think on space platform mined entity is just about removing buildings / things from the platform

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nothing related to "mining" the chunks

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:51 PM

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also how would you know what quality the chunk should convert into?

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wait nvm

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:52 PM

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you just give a specific name to each chunk

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atm, we could make it work, but RSL would "teleport" the items directly from the arms into the collector

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I haven't tried it yet but that's what would happen in theory

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:53 PM

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wait actually yes mind

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how do you have the small asteroids break into the correct chunks

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:53 PM

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It's handled by script, I believe

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:54 PM

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currently the quality asteroids are just actually the correct ones with quality

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so that turret targetting just works

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so I guess yeah would need to be script

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:54 PM

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I want to see if there is an event either : when something is collected (mined) by the collector

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or when an item is inserted into a collector

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or if we can access the arm inventory

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either one of these possibilities would allow a quality implementation

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without that, it would be possible, but really clunky

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:55 PM

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do spoilables spoil while in the arm?

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:55 PM

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yep

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:55 PM

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damn

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:55 PM

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I already thought about that ahahah

plucky brook Mar 13, 2025, 1:56 PM

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it really just is quite unfortunate

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 1:56 PM

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it if only spoiled while inside the collector's inventory, that would be a no brainer

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RSL would handle it natively

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Oh !

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maybe I got an idea

hexed helm Mar 13, 2025, 2:13 PM

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alright it works

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May not be the best performance wise

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but it works lol

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I had an option in RSL to retry in case a scripted spoiling event failed

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I activated it

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It cannot succeed as long as the item in inside the arm, but it retries every 3 ticks

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when it enters the collector, it's transformed

plucky brook Mar 15, 2025, 5:05 AM

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hexed helm May not be the best performance wise

hmm right yeah that was also a bit of a concern I had

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