silly point ?

[harsh copper]

@elder fossil could you explain which point you found silly ?

[elder fossil]

how would discussion about cats or pizza be political ?

[livid plume]

allergies and the responsibility for isolation

[zinc summit]

🍍

[olive epoch]

why i na thread

[livid plume]

yeah I'm not a fan of more-offtopic stuff going into a thread to fester...

[zinc summit]

Me neither, but I have yet to see how it goes.

[steel oar]

does this need to be dealt with here?

[zinc summit]

There is no slowmode here~~?~~.

[sage fox]

Now there is

[harsh copper]

which pizza is better ?
this question is a choice of taste, yet it is influence, and will influence the rest of the world

if you find this question of extreme importance, then you will discuss it, trying to convince people that what you think is right, or be convinced that it is wrong

if enough people is convinced one way, you will influence economics

it happened for pineapple on pizza
trade shifting and Italian and non Italian playing up there imagined identities

[elder fossil]

quick, make more threads

[sage fox]

I will disable threads if that happens

[steel oar]

we don't need more pineapple on pizza discussions here

[elder fossil]

I mean if you're stubborn enough you can make any discussion into politics, but saying everything is by default is extremely silly

[harsh copper]

ironcartographer show a more important point yet

[sage fox]

"everything is politics" just comes across to me as "I'll do whatever I want here no matter what you tell me"

[harsh copper]

no, it is not a question of stubornnes, it is a question of moral

pineapple on pizza is irrelevant, because we choose it to be irrelevant
and yet, it is still a choice
what is important and not, is politic

so yes, everything is political

[livid plume]

Make Politics Boring Again

[sage fox]

And let's be clear this is not a great impression to make

[steel oar]

I feel like this is splitting hairs in a way that is not useful

[deep rivet]

clearly, it's a coded reference to Wordpress

[livid plume]

I'm not sure where you got this intention

[sage fox]

#offtopic message

Also context for anyone that didn't know where this thread came from

[steel oar]

if there's no additional points to be made here, I'm about ready to delete this thread

[elder fossil]

unless you explicitly want to get the politics into otherwise interesting conversation, no, not everything is political

[zinc summit]

The discussions of "is X a political" topics feel so paradoxical. If there are a sizeable number of people who consider it political, I see it almost as a proof it is a political topic.

[harsh copper]

see, this topic has been decided as superfluous,
politics

[elder fossil]

you put them in silly box and forget about them

[harsh copper]

" I see it almost as a proof it is a political topic."
this is incorect, here politic is subtituing the word "important"
it is a common mis-use of the word yes

[steel oar]

anything can be political, but almost nothing is political by default

the whole point of more-offtopic is to contain discussions that ended up becoming political for one reason or another (otherwise we'd have to put a slowdown on the whole server)

[zinc summit]

Political topics are ones where you observe disagreement between sizeable groups of people. For instance, abortion is a political topic.

Now if people disagree on the question of whether something is political, I view it as one side of the debate wanting to assert their truth and completely disregard any concerns of the other side.

[olive epoch]

abortion: impacts people's lives
pineapple on pizza: almost irrelevant for people's lives
also, greg, by the definition youre saying that most arguments on the internet are political
even ones about whether speed modules are better than prod modules, because someone out there will claim theyre better despite being wrong and ignore any evidence to the contrary

[steel oar]

guidelines, not hard rules

[harsh copper]

anything is politics
as in, everything is being judged as important, or unimportant, and if important, a choice is made on how to handle it

yes pineapple on pizza is not important

but you could say that persecuting people over eating pineapple on pizza is
persecuting others for an idea seen as different, and in need of being repressed
the basis for cultural rift

"everything is politics"
is, to me, saying that everything is worth discussing, if only to see if we did not forget something in our previous choice

for exemple, is the population of people allergic to pineapple sufficiently big that banning it outright is a conceivable answer ?

"everything is politics"
is also a defence against
people who use "nothing is" as a numbing agent, telling people "discussing this is not important, move along"

[elder fossil]

seems like mistaking 'divisive' for 'political' tbh

[livid plume]

divisive is a subset of political, not separate

[olive epoch]

so the endless arguments about the fluid system shouldve been in this channel?

[sage fox]

If everything is politics, then why don't I see US politicians argue about pineapple on pizza right now?

[livid plume]

prioritization and relevance (to both of you)

[zinc summit]

What I missed is: Does the "political question" need a universal or a local resolution? Often agreeing to disagree is a valid resolution. Questions of taste are not political because everyone can have a different taste without impacting a lot of people around them.

[harsh copper]

using my definition :
because deportation is more important than pineapple on pizza

[steel oar]

so, what was the point of doing this in a thread?

[zinc summit]

Nothing really, we might as well be having this discussion in the main channel.

[harsh copper]

i opened this thread because i saw an ongoing discussion
and did not want to interupt it

[livid plume]

ehh everyone who was there went here

so uh. you did anyway

[elder fossil]

politics being divisive doesn't mean everything divisive is politics

[steel oar]

shall we return?