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serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Whenever I start a factorio world, I used to always go for a full main bus with all the things and start big from the beginning, but whenever I do that I end up having run out of resources, getting attacked by biters cus of my huge pollution cloud bfr I even have access to flamethrowers, and end up being miserable cus everything is too big and sterile. What do I do, I want to go back to sphagetti to avoid the first issues but that also just doesnt scratch my brain right. Is there a way to make a main bus type thing without ALL the belts and ALL the production, cus for the most part I find 90% of it isnt even needed to launch a rocket. And even if it is you only need all 4 belts of iron and copper and stuff after purple science.

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:18 AM

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do NOT go for a full main bus

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only build what you can support

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if you can't support 4 belts of iron plates why build 4 belts of iron plates?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:19 AM

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but then I run out of space

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:19 AM

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you can plan without building

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and space is infinte

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:19 AM

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so you mean like this

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'hold up

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:19 AM

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also mind if I ask

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are you putting a lot of shit into chests

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:21 AM

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something like this you mean

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with room for 2 more belts

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:21 AM

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you can do that

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:21 AM

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cus my copper patch can do about 30 miners, which is just a furnace stack

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which is 1 line

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but my iron patch can fit like 60

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which supplies 2 stacks

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which is 2 lines

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:22 AM

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quick crystal are you putting a lot of shit into chests

not often

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:22 AM

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I tend to start with a half belt of copper a full belt of iron and a half belt of ore feeding into plates to get a starter base

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:22 AM

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My base just always runs trying to fill up the monumental amount of long ass belts

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which is why I love robots

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:23 AM

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don't feel the need to make one base

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:23 AM

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but I always give up due to some issue before I get to robot network (gold science)

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:23 AM

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you can make a small starter base then use that base to make your real base

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I NEVER do 1 base in my builds

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:23 AM

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is a starter base just like sphagetti

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like wdyhm

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:23 AM

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just a small base to get things going

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:24 AM

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when are you meant to stop the starter base

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:24 AM

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you CAN do a main bus but that's just a waste of time imo when you have less than 4 belts of materials

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I do enough to get construction bots

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a single belt of iron is plenty to get that far

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them and my mall can make a real base ™️

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:25 AM

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Cus the fun I find in factorio isnt scaling its trying to have a perfect base

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perfect ratios, but small scale'

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I like to have no bottlenecks but a slow production

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so I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to do that without scaling so massively and having biters come for me so quick

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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uhhh

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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I fcking hate biters but if I dont have them on its too easy and I feel depressed

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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small scale but building massively?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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nono

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small scale small builds

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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that's just two incoherrent goals

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what do you mean small scale builds?

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ngl though it's hard to give advice of what to fix without seeing your base

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:27 AM

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I never get far in bases

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I'll show you current

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base

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quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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that's not small

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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yes but this is the base that I had trouble with biters with

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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also don't rely on gun turrets mid to late game

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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and that I didnt enjoy that much

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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gun turrets are a reverse bell curve for effectiveness

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great early

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bad mid

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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amazing endgame

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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thats a valley

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not a bell curve

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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also DO NOT put flamers right against your walls they can't shoot right next to themselves

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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I have two walls

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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and robots fix everything for me

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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that doesn't mean shit

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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they still have a minimum range that is longer than 3 walls

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that's

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way too far

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your defenses need a massive revamp

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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it works

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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you're claiming bitters are causing problems but your defense works

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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the base is fine

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the outposts are not

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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use flamers

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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how

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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and automate resupplying the outposts

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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how am I meant to use flamers at like 5 different outposts

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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what do you mean?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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my oil supply is literally 4 pumpjacks aswell

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which was the next issue I was gonna fix

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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flamerthower fuel is free

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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but my stone has also run out

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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flamethrowers deal INSANE dps

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my base was running on flamethrowers only occasionally losing a wall here and there at .95 evo

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I only decided to upgrade to a better wall cause I felt like going overkill

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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my robots fix all my walls which is why my setup sucks

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not bothered to fix it

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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don't rely on gun turrets

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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my main problem is the outposts

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Idk how to get oil there

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cus my flamers run on crude rn

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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How do you get ore home?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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you want me to add a fluid train

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and a pump

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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make a proper rail system

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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I mean wagon

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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make a restock train

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the limitations of 1 train 1 track are many

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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idk how to make a proper rail network

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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make a t x corner and straight rail blueprint

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then you're 90% of the way done

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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see

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works fine

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I got nearly all my base covered by logistic square from roboports

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and the whole double wall is covered by construction

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but my outposts are cooked

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:34 AM

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also it's best to not box yourself in
but go expand to chokepoints

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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there is none on this map

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it is a wasteland

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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there is none in your immediate vacinity

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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my new map, yes

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no like, nowhere

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I'll show you

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quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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that's not much exploration

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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there is one

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cus there's nests everywbhere

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:36 AM

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a car outspeeds bitters

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you can drive faster than they can run so just do that explore place a few solar pannels with a radar occasionally when you do so

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find chokepoints get a tank liberate the land and build walls

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then double check to be sure they didn't expand back into the territory while you defended it

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:37 AM

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I have tanks

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My main issue rn is oil stone and biters

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:37 AM

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quick crystal then double check to be sure they didn't expand back into the territory while yo...

jcant

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tanks dont work

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they eat me

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even if I circle them

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with explosive lipstick

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:37 AM

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what fuel are you using?

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what shells are you using?

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rocket fuel works wonders and is super cheap get that shit

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explosive does less damage for aoe, your flamethrower is better for aoe

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:39 AM

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this is my new base

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lots of trees

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cus I hate biters

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:39 AM

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I'd say when you get a car and solar, grab a few solar pannels a few radars place a power pole a radar and 3 solar pannels occasionally

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then you can go back automate more things and find chokepoints later, clear out with a tank rockets or whatever other method you prefer

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:40 AM

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my main problem is that I'm never able to outrun my issues

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they always catch up

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idk how to effectively scale

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:41 AM

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do you research damage upgrades?

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also don't use electric furnaces btw

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they SUCK

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over twice the space

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twice the power

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they're good when you're making modules

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:46 AM

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quick crystal also don't use electric furnaces btw

I hate coal

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I love e furnaces

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:47 AM

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serene storm I hate coal

it makes you use MORE

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:47 AM

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anyway, this base I plan on making trains bring in presmelted plates

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No I just hate moving coal around\

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:47 AM

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it's worse for your pollution problems

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ESPECIALLY on site smelting

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:48 AM

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I just dont find enjoyment in such huge scaling

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thats why I made the thread

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asking if there was a such thing as a minibus or something

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that I could just scale the belts on

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:49 AM

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I prefer train based bases myself

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I don't like bus desings

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:49 AM

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how do train bases work

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:49 AM

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item goes on trains
train drops it off where needed
then is processed by site into what is needed

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:50 AM

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so its a main bus but with trains

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:50 AM

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IE I make a train that carries ore it brings it to smelt
then those plate trains will go to circuits science ect ect ect

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a main bus is a SPECIFIC form of organization

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rail based bases a common form of them being city blocks are an entirely different form of organization

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:50 AM

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ik what those are

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but those are for big bases

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I only intend on launching a rocket

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then reeeestarting

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:51 AM

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you can trivially launch a rocket from just spaghetti

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in fact it isn't impossible with only expanding to 1 new patch

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:52 AM

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nah but I wanna cleanly automate rocket launches

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like 1 per hour or smth

quick crystal Jan 16, 2025, 2:52 AM

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1 per hour is sooo trivial

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 2:52 AM

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yes but thats all I want

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as long as it looks clean

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and works without issues

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maybe even 2 per hour

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 4:28 AM

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@quick crystal heres my plan, I'm gonna setup a sphagetti area which I'll manually fill for red green and possibly blue science, while I slowly build the setup for an actual clean main bus. So I dont need to waste so much stuff for an amount of science I wont need for ages

mortal radish Jan 16, 2025, 4:38 AM

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serene storm <@223198174624481280> heres my plan, I'm gonna setup a sphagetti area which I'll...

What do you mean manually fill?

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 5:00 AM

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mortal radish What do you mean manually fill?

one of those sphagetti things you make at the start that makes basic stuff

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not for blue science forget that

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just to reserach trains and stuff

mortal radish Jan 16, 2025, 5:06 AM

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Noooo! Don't put stuff in chests. Automate anything you'll make more than a few of

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You can still make a starter base that's automated. Don't hand feed chests

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 5:11 AM

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I think you missed the point

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its only there until I can automate that stuff

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not to be in place of that

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its there so that I can make a lil red science for now while setting up for a bigger expandable red science setup

mortal radish Jan 16, 2025, 5:16 AM

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serene storm its only there until I can automate that stuff

You already have everything you need to automate it. Just assemblers, inserters, belts, poles and labs

serene storm Jan 16, 2025, 8:07 AM

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HOLY

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I JUST DISCOVERED RATIOS

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EVERYTHING IS FALLING INTO PLACE

mortal radish Jan 16, 2025, 11:09 AM

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serene storm I think you missed the point

Also there's been a lot of good advice in this thread but you seem to be disregarding most of it.

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