torpid frost
There are infinite techs that increase productivity.
They do get exponentially expensive, where cost of 100M - 1000M might be too much for a gigabase doing a sustained 1000 000 SPM.
Mining productivity cost increases linearly, this means you are getting free resources very fast at some point.
These bad boys are 10x faster with 90 levels of mining research.
You want to use speed modules on them right away as you can increase their mining speed trough increases in productivity.
1M is attainable with 10k SPM as you just have to wait 100 minutes for it to complete.
At this point you have following productivity bonuses.
For comparison productivity modules do 4% - 25% productivity per module depending on its tier and quality.
Productivity limit is 300%, which is achievable by combining effect of legendary modules and productivity researches.
So you should swap productivity modules with speed modules once you hit limit of 300%
Ok so from what I see its only concern when you are doing both quality productivity modules and infinite productivity techs.
Otherwise keep productivity modules in things expect miners and pumpjacks, as their productivity can be easily increased.
wraith hill
Prod in machines speed in beacons
torpid frost
Prod in machines speed in beacons
until prod limit is hit I guess, so all way to max.
wraith hill
Well yeah but that's hyper late game
Aside from that, the Only exception is when you're taking resources at the bottom of the resource pyramid, like pumping oil or drilling ore
And it's also been changed by giving tons of free prod from minin, making speed a lot better there
torpid frost
If one is playing with rich/large resource patches then its speed all way.
Productivity modules on resource patches might only matter when you are playing with very scarce resource settings.
haughty arch
@torpid frost never prod miners or pumpjacks tbh
I wouldn't even speed module them unless I have big drills
Preferably with direct train loading
torpid frost
<@404183614775885826> never prod miners or pumpjacks tbh
So ability to place prod modules there is a meme at this point.
torpid frost
Someone playing with scarce resources can just go to space and drink lava on vulcanus, scavenge resources from scrap in fulgora and asteroids in space and grow them on gleba.
haughty arch
Prod in pumpjacks actively slow down collection and have a lower minimum than unmoduled pumpjacks
The benefit
They slow down slower
I sometime should make a graph that compares oil/s over time and oil/s over oil collected
torpid frost
Prod in pumpjacks actively slow down collection and have a lower minimum than un...
Does high productivity in pumpjacks increase minimum collection rate?
haughty arch
It slows down the drain
Oil wells slowly drain to 20% of their original value or a flat 20% yield whatever is higher
torpid frost
Mines do extract 10x faster with level 90 mining productivity tech
So for pumpjacks it should be same (they are affected by mining productivity bonus), even if its at minimum values (it would raise floor).
haughty arch
That is true
high finch
<@404183614775885826> never prod miners or pumpjacks tbh
Why wouldn't I max prod my coal nodes on vulcanus where my coal is scarce?
haughty arch
If you really need it
But you can always expand or even exploit demos
high finch
I just prefer to get more out of my node than to have to find more nodes
torpid frost
Why wouldn't I max prod my coal nodes on vulcanus where my coal is scarce?
Because you can easily research three more levels of mining productivity, which is more than legendary prod3 module.
high finch
a node with full big miners is plenty of ore with the full prod speed reduction
high finch
no matter what my research is at, unless im at 300% I still want prod in my big miners there
haughty arch
It's cheaper to research than to prod miners
torpid frost
no matter what my research is at, unless im at 300% I still want prod in my big ...
Miners have uncapped productivity
high finch
then I will always prod mod my scarce nodes to get more then.
high finch
It's cheaper to research than to prod miners
it's not one or the other though, it is both
haughty arch
You realize how little more ore youre getting though?
high finch
how much little am I getting, I don't know
haughty arch
it's not one or the other though, it is both
It is
You can spend more resources on mining prod research OR spend more on modules
high finch
I don't feel like 64k science is cheaper than 4 prod module 3's in my miners
once the node is gone, I get them back too
haughty arch
64k for LEGENDARY prod mods
high finch
I'm not using legendary modules for 1k more ore, im just using basic prod modules
haughty arch
Those aren't easy to get and by the time you can getting more coal on vulcanus is easy
high finch
im gonna do the math and see how much extra I get
haughty arch
And youre actively slowing down coal production
high finch
it pumps out plenty of lanes usually
so why would I speed
I guess I just disagree with never prod mod nodes which is fine
so what I'm at right now is 14k science for 10%
this coal node here is small in terms of ammount, i'm getting two green belts out of it which is plenty and have prod 2's in my miners here
that is an extra 24% productivity
how do I calculate how much more ore I get?
I'm going to get an extra 160k out of this node
pretty significant in terms of total ammount the node yields
haughty arch
You're getting an extra 10%
Putting one prod mod in any other building is gonna be almost as much
high finch
you say that as if I am not putting them in both
tell me why would you speed module this
you can already get 4-6 green belts out of it
torpid frost
So this is point where factories reach 300% quality with full set of legendary modules.
Steel (Foundry, 4 modules) - 15 levels
LDS (Foundry, 4 modules) - 15 levels
Scrap (Recycler) - 30 levels - it can't have productivity modules.
Blue chips (EM plants, 5 modules) - 12 levels for 295% productivity.
Plastic (Cryogenic plants, 8 modules) - 10 levels
Rocket fuel (Cryogenic plants, 8 modules) - 10 levels
Asteroids (Asteroid crusher, 2 modules) - 25 levels
Rocket parts (Rocket silo, 4) - 20 levels.
Cost of replacing single module with speed module requires spending of 2.5 levels of repeatable research, if you are using legendary modules to maintain 300% productivity.
If you spend enough on repeatables, then you can replace them all with legendary speed 3 modules.
Steel (Foundry, 4 modules) - 25 levels
LDS (Foundry, 4 modules) - 25 levels
Scrap (Recycler) - 30 levels - it can't have productivity modules.
Blue chips (EM plants, 5 modules) - 25 levels
Plastic (Cryogenic plants, 8 modules) - 30 levels
Rocket fuel (Cryogenic plants, 8 modules) - 30 levels
Asteroids (Asteroid crusher, 2 modules) - 30 levels
Rocket parts (Rocket silo, 4) - 30 levels.
That is 25 levels for foundry and EM plants and 30 for everything else.
Buildings with base productivity require less repeatables to saturate
At some point you would spend tons of resources for minor speed gains.
wraith hill
infinite research isn't supposed to be "worth" it like that, it's just a post game goal
in 1.1 you only really had mining prod, people made megabases just to try and consume as much science as possible
torpid frost
Same with legendary quality, but its fun to work towards losless quality grinders.
Recycler deletes 75% of goods, but foundry or EM plant makes 3 free ones.
wraith hill
well with legendary stuff you do get a lot of compounding effect, like if you have a stack of legendary prod moduels, then you will make more use out of those moduels if you put it in a quality machine
but it takes such an insane amount of resources that building from normal quality is "better" if ups isn't a concern (probably with some exceptions and caviats)
the best way to look at quality is as a post game logistics challenge, they could have just made quality requre 10 of the last version to create, but this is more interesting than that
wraith hill
Same with legendary quality, but its fun to work towards losless quality grinder...
lossless quality grinding is a good option, but it's not the only one, it's just as viable to try and churn trough as many resources as possible in a given time period, or use asteroid reprocessing which has a lot less loss than recycling to produce quality
torpid frost
Now for earlier game, if I wanted to have whole my base made of uncommon quality, then how early I could do that?
wraith hill
Now for earlier game, if I wanted to have whole my base made of uncommon quality...
uncommon quality is incredibly easy to setup. just take your mall and have a recycler take any item of normal quality, eventually you'll be left with just quality
torpid frost
So its somewhere after establishing Fulgora base, as recycler can be produced here.