#Prod science (rails production rates = fast (shocker))

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naive orchid
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Is this the best way to do prod science? cause triple weave wont work with 3/io on a 3 tile assembler like that, and I tried long hand inserts but they couldnt keep up with rail production rate (and if I swapped it was the same case, longs couldnt handle the inputs). trying to make as compact and neat as possible, feedback ty :))

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tacit apex
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long handed inserters

naive orchid
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they dont work (as described)

tacit apex
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also trying to do 4 items on one side is really obnoxious

naive orchid
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I only have tech for stack size 2

naive orchid
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im trying to stress test it

tacit apex
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not really

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a blue inserter won't keep up

naive orchid
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but idk if theres a better way to fit on that side

naive orchid
tacit apex
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yes

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it's five rails PER SECOND

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+faq inserters

hasty waveBOT
tacit apex
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stack size two in the best case scenario is 4.44

naive orchid
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Oh you are right (cause .7 cycle)

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oof

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maybe stack inserter then?

tacit apex
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and don't do input and output same side

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it's soo much of a hassel it's not worth it

naive orchid
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yeah I shouldnt have but

tacit apex
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space is infinite

naive orchid
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I squished it inbetween stuff and

tacit apex
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also that belt won't keep up with the rails either

naive orchid
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needed more room for said other stuff

naive orchid
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I dont have blues automated fully yet so

tacit apex
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that won't work either

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or it will

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barely

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if you upgrade to green assemblers it won't

naive orchid
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yeah, green belt may be my savior once I get them

tacit apex
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just build a different design

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use bots to rip it up and move it elsewhere

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this design for lack of a better word

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sucks

naive orchid
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I should but sunk cost fallacy lol

tacit apex
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yea sunk cost

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you wanna waste more time on a shitty design?

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it's not gonna get better

naive orchid
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prob not

tacit apex
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also this is useless

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never do this

naive orchid
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Ill stress test it and if it doesnt keep up then its whatever ill rip it apart

tacit apex
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all you're doing is taking a half belt, and putting it on both lanes

naive orchid
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yeah I'm aware

tacit apex
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then why do it?

naive orchid
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but it doesnt hurt it just makes it look nicer with both lanes of belt 🤷‍♂️

tacit apex
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minimizing buffers is better

naive orchid
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ok that is true

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ill remove it cause itll free up one tile for me to shift that belt down

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although yeah im not sure thisll even keep up with the assemblers involved so likely wont matter

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ok well it actually does work with blue belt

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its keeping up with all 14 prod science so ig ill leave it for now, idk if itll work with greens so if it doesnt ill tear it out

nova jackal
naive orchid
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oh does it?

nova jackal
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yes. inserters picking up from 1 lane are faster than inserters picking up from both lanes
reason is that inserter head wastes time switching lanes

naive orchid
wraith swan
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direct insertion is the way to go I think

tacit apex
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Ehh not necessarily
You can
Without modules its a 1-3 ratio iirc so if youre comfortable with a lot of unneeded assemblers it's finr

halcyon galleon
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Best way? Certainly not. I mean no stack inserters, no legendary machines, no beacons...

Bulk inserters to unload the rails help a lot at that tier. You should have access to them.

naive orchid
wraith swan
tacit apex
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Inserters naturally divide things equally

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But it takes 3 purple sci to eat what 1 rail gives

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Not really the nicest ratio for direct insertion

wraith swan
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1:3 is pretty nice, but the ratio is actually 5:14, unless it changed in 2.0.
I think the internal buffer sizes aren't large enough to get an equal distribution (at least with crafting speed 1.875).

tacit apex
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Show me how to do a flat line of purple science assemblers with direct inserting rails then that is close to 1-3 ratio
Ya it's not exactly right. but you claim its pretty nice for direct insertion when it's really not

wraith swan
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Of course a flat line is not possible.

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But in the first image, above, the ratio seems to be 5:6, which can be done with DI without too much rearranging.

tacit apex
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It is not

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They likely have the purple sicence continue further down

wraith swan
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I just think DI is good for handling the large volume of rails needed.

naive orchid