factorio change map settings crashing game

[velvet bolt]

@robust carbon this is the entire map

Install the mods

• Gear Girl Character
• Editor Extensions

because it will bitch without it

[snow moon]

I'm curious to see where the code disconnect hits

[velvet bolt]

and ive used the gear girl mod before, it never did this behavior

and i doubt its EE

[robust carbon]

just to also confirm youre on the latest version 1.1.100

[velvet bolt]

i know factorio is like programming but i didnt expect it to literally segfault

lemme check

yes

Im on the linux64 build, so you may wanna test on that as well if at all possible

I doubt its platform related but you never know

[robust carbon]

I just got windows so thats what I have to do

so it loaded and im moving, let me try loading some new chunks

[velvet bolt]

you could setup a live fedora enviornmnent and test it

try to build the red science assemblers

exactly like I did, it seemed to crash then for some reason

[snow moon]

I'd load a chunk and then place a belt

[robust carbon]

loading chunks and placing betls works lemme try some science

[velvet bolt]

keep in mind

its not an instantaneous crash

it took like 15 mins for me

and then "not responding"

[robust carbon]

I see

[snow moon]

Is your ram being filled?

[velvet bolt]

it seems to be delayed

[velvet bolt]

doubtful, I dont recall it going near the limit

i also have 32 GB

i was at maybe 13 GB used total

[snow moon]

The amount just delays

[velvet bolt]

out of discord, vivaldi, etc

[robust carbon]

you just disabled biter expansion right, and the save you shared is before the 15 minutes?

im gonna try making a ton of pollution and seeing if that has something to do with it

[velvet bolt]

i disabled it, and the save i shared is my current play through

i was trying to setup military science

im gonna take a small break and go play some beatsaber because i cant play factorio rn and dont feel like writing code

please let me know if you discover anything

[snow moon]

If we had a crash log it would be immediately found

[velvet bolt]

if i have to restart i will be frustrated

[velvet bolt]

there is none

which is weird af

[robust carbon]

I will keep trying for a bit longer but it isnt doing anything for me which is weird

[velvet bolt]

try doing exactly what i did

[snow moon]

Yeah, it's because it's hangs and doesn't crash on your end. And you prolly don't want to wait that out

[velvet bolt]

1. Install CMS
2. Set enemy expansion to on, then off
3. Save WITHOUT syncing
4. Disable CMS
5. Build exactly the thing I did

[snow moon]

Does Linux have a "Not Responding" like option?

[velvet bolt]

yeah

but it was like not responding

like at all

[robust carbon]

wait, this is before you turned off expansion and it still does this?

[velvet bolt]

no this is after i turned it off

but try toggling it

[robust carbon]

got it

[velvet bolt]

and see if it fucks up

[snow moon]

If you on your side "force" the crash the log can happen

[velvet bolt]

there is a log generated, but it is not containing the crash data for some reason

[snow moon]

Will be harder to navigate, but traceable

[velvet bolt]

I have sent you many times the recent logs

[snow moon]

First time I'm seeing those

[velvet bolt]

if anyone is able to test on a linux machine to see if its a platform specific issue

factorio has always had very good support though so idk why it would be

[robust carbon]

I did all that and started buildng and it seems fine

[velvet bolt]

wtf is happening then

[robust carbon]

no idea, I assume its platform specific. I hve to get some homework done this afternoon so I can keep it running and let you know if it crashes

[velvet bolt]

i’ll probably just reinstall the entire game and abandon that save as annoying as it is

[snow moon]

You can bounce back

[velvet bolt]

something is going wrong somewhere

[robust carbon]

if it happened 15 minutes after it could be due to the map trying to force an expansion and something happening there, but there shou ld be a crash log saying that

[snow moon]

^

[velvet bolt]

@shell gale

basically there’s a weird hanging issue and we are trying to debug it

[shell gale]

aight what do I have to do?

[velvet bolt]

i can’t load into the save without it hanging in 15 mins and @robust carbon has no issue with it

can you download the save and the mods Change Mod Settings, Gear Girl Character and Editor Extensions and then try to toggle Biter expansion on then off, save the world, disable CMS, load back and see if it crashes or hangs in 15 mins

[shell gale]

do you mean Change Map Settings?

[velvet bolt]

yeah that

i’m typing on an ipad while in the bathroom apologies if i make typos

[snow moon]

Voice to text

[velvet bolt]

It cooked

[snow moon]

Factorio can be funky, but I've not seen this one

[velvet bolt]

wow it got the word it cooked

from ‘it seems cooked’

[shell gale]

aight I have them installed. load into the save first?

[velvet bolt]

yeah, you have to load into the save first

[snow moon]

If you can replicate and get a crash file

[velvet bolt]

that would be based

[velvet bolt]

yeah i hit. onfirm

confirm*

[shell gale]

e

[velvet bolt]

e

[snow moon]

Lol

[shell gale]

lmao so much wire

[velvet bolt]

must resist making a trans joke

[velvet bolt]

how dare you criticise my master piece /j

[shell gale]

aight so now what

[velvet bolt]

try to build this shit

and just play a bit see if it crashes or hangs

usually it takes like 15 mins

[snow moon]

Don't they need to reload with something off?

[velvet bolt]

they disabled cms i think

[robust carbon]

just been AFK in the world and it still works here on windows

[shell gale]

it's off

[snow moon]

Run around and load chunks then place things

Is basically what broke it right?

Lol

[shell gale]

I mean everything's stable so far

[snow moon]

Placing things and generating chunks?

[shell gale]

just placing so far, running around now

[snow moon]

If you crash during a chunk generation that's the culprit

[velvet bolt]

think so

[snow moon]

Yeah you may have to find a way to force it to crash if Train can't get it

[velvet bolt]

i’ll try

[shell gale]

got tired of running around, so I got a car and started driving around

no dice

@velvet bolt

[velvet bolt]

wtf

should i reinstall?

[shell gale]

what's the error?

[velvet bolt]

no error

just hangs but only for me

[shell gale]

oh it's multiplayer normally?

[velvet bolt]

no

singeplayer

[shell gale]

oh I gotcha

logs?

found em

@velvet bolt in Settings > Other enable Verbose logging. Make it hang again and share that log

[velvet bolt]

ill try it

nothing happened so far, no crash

ill see what happens

@robust carbon so now it isnt crashing

wtaf

[robust carbon]

That's weird, I bet it was something to do with your computer at that specific time that just hung up your entire computer. Im glad it works now though

[velvet bolt]

now i can ask if there is a way to improve this?

[robust carbon]

it looks good, only thing is dont split 2 copper belts into 3 that gains you nothing. Add labs and you should be set

[velvet bolt]

is there a more space efficient way of doing this?

[velvet bolt]

i did it so i can run the copper up there

[robust carbon]

I mean, not doing a bus would be more space efficient but do you want that?

[velvet bolt]

i mean the military science assembly block

can i make it neater

[robust carbon]

The ratios are off but besides that its pretty compact. I personally wouldnt mind if its a bit bigger

[velvet bolt]

it crashed again

@robust carbon @snow moon

I identified ONE condition that could cause it to crash

[snow moon]

[velvet bolt]

Open the save called lab, copy the thing there as a blue print, go back to my save and import the string

ill attach the lab save

@snow moon so it seems just to be random af

it hasnt crashed now

but it did a minute ago

I just abandoned that save

it seems to be very random if i can load it or if i crash instantly

okay @robust carbon @snow moon its infected every save

im gonna remove all mods and reinstall the game

[snow moon]

That's odd as all get out

I'm also wondering if it's a compatibility error with the other mods

Most updated version?

[velvet bolt]

new world

no mods

new reinstall

it still fucking hangs

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/17y4mqk/factorio_on_linux_ubuntu_freezes_crashes/

seems to be my issue?

I'll try disable steam overlay

[shell gale]

I do play with the standalone client, I avoid steam when I can

[velvet bolt]

I think that was it

@shell gale can i get the standalone if i bought it via steam?

[shell gale]

yep

[velvet bolt]

okay ill do that then

[shell gale]

go to factorio.com, sign in with steam

[velvet bolt]

will my saves carry over?

[shell gale]

back them up

[velvet bolt]

they are in ~/.factorio

[shell gale]

iirc it's ~/.factorio/saves with steam

yeah copy them over

[velvet bolt]

to where

[shell gale]

somewhere else

then delete ~/.factorio (probably best to unsinstall through steam)

[velvet bolt]

gotcha

[shell gale]

and unpack factorio as downloaded, rename the folder it gives (factorio) to .factorio and you should be good

you'll need to play paths tho so that kinda sucks

[velvet bolt]

wdym

play paths?

do i put it anywhere? I have a factorio folder in my downloads

[shell gale]

it doesn't include a desktop file so you have to put it on your path or put a symlink to somewhere easy

extract it into ~

[velvet bolt]

do i put it in my $PATH?

[shell gale]

put /home/rem/factorio/bin/x64 in $PATH

[velvet bolt]

@shell gale ill make a .desktop and share it here if you want it

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Factorio
Comment=Launch Factorio (standalone)
Exec=factorio
Icon=$HOME/Games/factorio/data/base/thumbnail.png
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Game;

[shell gale]

nice, thanks

[velvet bolt]

lmk if it works

okay the standalone version works fine

I want to see if the steam version would work with the overlay off though potentially too

so I can get to the bottom of the issue