3KSPM Wagonlocked Spage

[sturdy mist]

But at your scale that's questionable too

[frail ledge]

Yeah, I was trying to minimize input, and adding iron, vs adding pipe/gears

[sturdy mist]

At 20k, gears are one of the things I didn't even consider sharing

But like... things are different in t1 mega

[frail ledge]

I know this base will climb into thousands of spm, but to start

[sturdy mist]

It is compression, it's just that most things which require gears also require other iron

Most of it is engines anyhow I think

No gears in purple

[frail ledge]

there are engines in yellow and thats why my last base just had a big ass engine maker

[sturdy mist]

So yeah I mean, at this point you don't gain much by not doing local

If gears had more recipes, it'd be stronger

[frail ledge]

that was in my last base

[boreal oyster]

I HAVE ELEVATED RAILS WOOOOOOO

[frail ledge]

I had the 3 things being made offsite and dragged here

but it also had this

[sturdy mist]

lol nice

I guess this is legal

somehow wagonlocked

[frail ledge]

?

[sturdy mist]

Oh right I forgot the point

I FORGOR

It's overbuilding green and red, it's supposed to be a supply any

[frail ledge]

yeah I think I'll see if I can just add iron plates and craft the other stuff onsite

this DI is gonna work

I can't remember the ratios for gear or pipe but I'll find out here soon

Looks like 2 gear 3 pipe for the row machine wise

I think it did 4 pipe because I didn't want to do a split on the third one

[sturdy mist]

fair, 4 machines aint shit in the long run

acceptable

Wires are not great but like... it'll do

I've seen worse. WEnt up to 1 speed in the wires but I don't like it

Is starter

[frail ledge]

True

[frail ledge]

🤔

[feral maple]

90 💀

just need 40 of these

[frail ledge]

I'm looking at the build as a whole lol

[frail ledge]

how much can you get away with

[feral maple]

🙂

[frail ledge]

7 instead of 8

[feral maple]

average MP experience

does anyone have giga lags when hovering over a ping

like this must be bug right?

[frail ledge]

you can get away with this much

[feral maple]

did it take 5 hours?

[frail ledge]

I'd been playing Warcraftm That took about 10m

[sturdy mist]

Oh jeez I got choices to make

[frail ledge]

well, I'm ok with this for now

[sturdy mist]

Fairly tight, you do have a few extra machines but wayyyy fewer inserters

Def better for UPS by a country mile

Top notch stuff

[frail ledge]

after you showed that DI build to me, I went on a building spreed to try and Train Integrate it

[sturdy mist]

Train DI is some good shit, wagonlocking is also probably pro-tier at your scale

[frail ledge]

this is what I had on belts

minus that last set of 4 Iron belts

[sturdy mist]

.7 of steel lol

[frail ledge]

lot better than a prior build

[sturdy mist]

Yeah you could totes go down to IO belt too, the sulfur and blue aren't constraining it

Good to know they're not the limiter

But yeah at least I got modules 😄

I do have serious choices to make. I'll be able to get to space

Do I go for more nauvis deposits now? I should be OK

Maybe I'll backlog more belts

[frail ledge]

what am I doing wrong here

[sturdy mist]

idk?

[frail ledge]

its just unloading oddly

[sturdy mist]

Within tolerances, also good luck fixing it. Hand count/swing sync on wagon size.

Swing is 18 items and you're hauling 4k

Well, swing is a multiple of 6

That's two unloads 😉 The bottom ones grab first.

[frail ledge]

hmmmmm

Zuri it?

[sturdy mist]

If you must...

Oh no chest, you can't

[frail ledge]

I dont want to splitter tech

trying to ups save lol

[sturdy mist]

Within tolerances

You're not halfbelting elsewhere, dw

[frail ledge]

I forgot the chests lol

[sturdy mist]

Leave em gone IMo

Minimization is the key to UPS gains. Do the same with with as little as possible

Why touch it twice when you could touch it once

[frail ledge]

stack size 1 is so ass

[feral maple]

😄

i hate they didnt max out at 5

cuz it would be 300s

[sturdy mist]

So close lol

Oh shit I need LDS

[feral maple]

yet so far

also

he actually went to play survival

[sturdy mist]

ikr

Look at me touching grass

[feral maple]

nyooooooo

u were the chosen one

[sturdy mist]

I have wrought enough foul magics for now

It's time for me to go to space so I can learn new types of wizardry

Oh you know what's fucking sick now? You can run switchable solid fuel with 1 chemplant

FUCKING FLIPPABLE FLUIDS

Y'all motherfuckers barely even know

[feral maple]

mhm

bro went out of the cave to discover fire

[frail ledge]

not bad size difference

[sturdy mist]

Hand fed like a baller

RPM no longer a big number

Only using land mines as defense still lmao

[feral maple]

bruh

show base

[sturdy mist]

Woof rip my irons. It's about time for phase 2 I guess

I feel slightly more encouraged to decon

[boreal oyster]

Bro started playing an actual world now wooo

[sturdy mist]

Tbh I'm thinking about just importing my iron

The thing to regulate is ||asteroid grabs||

[boreal oyster]

Read my username and think abt a solution

There is a way to do it where you only grab what you dont have

[frail ledge]

🙂

[sturdy mist]

lol I concluded, not hypothesized, b/c I already had combos doing it

DIing in and outof the main hub isn't super worthwhile at tier1-2

[sturdy mist]

There's at least one good repeater pattern which has no more than 2 empty tiles per instance... Probably there's a pattern with none, maybe only 1

[stark bridge]

bro what is this

the general megabaser thread to post

[boreal oyster]

yeah so

[boreal oyster]

a hangout smh

[sturdy mist]

fukkin I guess at this point lol

[boreal oyster]

hmmm

[sturdy mist]

Yeah so you can totally import iron from space on your first deposit

I've been fucking around a lot and honestly, having static asteroid catchers export iron ore and plates to the ground seems fine to me

[stark bridge]

It seems like such a waste of time compared to the things you get later on

[sturdy mist]

Oh yeah for sure, I know I should be bolting for a planet

[stark bridge]

Go gleba

[sturdy mist]

I was just interested to see if I could survive without moving off my starting deposits

[stark bridge]

Don't hate on gleba

It's actually my favorite

The flow for gleba feels like
Gleba -> any other -> any other -> gleba

You get to gleba twice

It's wonderful

[sturdy mist]

lmao hmm

Minimization is stronger now than ever before

[stark bridge]

Quality compacts many builds

I mean late game, legendary everything is amazing

Easy 250 SPM from like 2 science buildings

[sturdy mist]

I was more talking about minimizing steps

There's little difference between smelting ore to steel in orbit and dropping steel, or dropping ore, so drop the ore

But if you're traveling? It'd make a huge difference on storage. So like... There are minimization steps. Figure out what's the most dense material to haul

The minimize passes mean more now than they did

[stark bridge]

wait til you get to vulcanus

[sturdy mist]

lol I think I'm headed vulcanus first

[stark bridge]

it's like easier nauvis imo

[feral maple]

vulcanus easy af

[sturdy mist]

I like how they gently pushed bots without nerfing belts

I find myself going "oo wait bots maybe?" and that tells you all you need to know I think lol

Like, I know I'm memeing, but it's funny

Part of me wants to do landmines only but idk about the coal

[feral maple]

why is it connecting to VOID

the wall @sturdy mist

[sturdy mist]

lol don't tell me why you have walls in space tho

[feral maple]

Design 😄

[sturdy mist]

wooof

[feral maple]

also i stole this yesterday

u cant rly make out anything tho

[sturdy mist]

lol some people

[feral maple]

|| promethium hauler || endgame edition

[frail ledge]

I'm qualityfying the mall!!!

[sturdy mist]

Oh hey I bet x1k pushes the viability of quality up significantly

Either that or pushes it back as far lol, not sure which

[frail ledge]

Faster machines same electric cost. sign me up

[sturdy mist]

$$$$

I haven't started doing quality amortization math yet

When I do I'll make passes on some set of numbers for 10,100,1000x so we can see the trend

It's either realgood or realbad I think. I would be shook if it was the same

[frail ledge]

Go get it!!

I'm going to spend lunch re organizing my train bp

[sturdy mist]

afecinsee

[frail ledge]

I think quality at a first glance is great, but getting the machines is a chore. I spent about 15m and only got 1 blue assembler

Unless there is a quick way to increase crafting them

[feral maple]

get quality modules qulitied first

😄

so you can quality quality better

[sturdy mist]

Yo dawg I heard you like quality

[frail ledge]

You can do that

[feral maple]

yes you can quality everything

just look into factorio pedia at the quality module

get rare ones and u will have more %

💀

bro wrote smthing very regarded so i just wrote that for fun but steam is cringe i guess

never going on steam community again xd

[frail ledge]

I got full blown banned on forums because my account was hacked and they couldn't get card information so they spread hate speech, tried to get it appealed and they were like, nope sorry

I got the account back near immediately too, that's the sad part

[feral maple]

u aint missing anything tho ?D

[frail ledge]

Never went there anyway 😂😆

[feral maple]

just some very stupid questions

prime example

3597th post about price

cuz they are farming points

[frail ledge]

[feral maple]

when space?

[frail ledge]

61 hrs, so prolly another 20 or so because nm chem science is dumb

[feral maple]

😄

so tomorrow?

if u let it research overnight

[frail ledge]

No afk

[feral maple]

dam

[frail ledge]

Hehe, yeah I hate afking

[feral maple]

dont sleep then 😄

[boreal oyster]

Lmfao i went on it today and saw

[boreal oyster]

This exact post

[feral maple]

every 10 posts u see one like this

[boreal oyster]

Lol, are you dropping excess asteroids into space?

Or only catching the needed ones

[sturdy mist]

fk no why would I pick them up to begin with

[boreal oyster]

EXACTLY

[boreal oyster]

Im asking that to see if there are more people that do this

Combinators setting filters on asteroid collectors

[boreal oyster]

Its so dumb lol

Sleep is for the weak buuut im not weak and imma go sleep goodnight people of the internet

[frail ledge]

Because pew pew 🤣

[frail ledge]

ok, why you tell me that

[sturdy mist]

All I want is ROCKS gimme dem ROCKS

I'm legit running my base off orbital iron just for the lulz, it's so bad

[frail ledge]

thats kinda funny

wait a fucking minute....

BOILER POWER

[sturdy mist]

I foudn the missing turret

[frail ledge]

this is sadness

[sturdy mist]

Yep, you get to random roll with bad odds for a long time. That's what recyclers are for. Quality is a sizeable investment.

I don't think it pays off on a per-machine basis

I'm inclined to think it's worse on 1kx but I'd have to do actual math on the recycles

[frail ledge]

I mean this craft increase was nice

[sturdy mist]

You can specify that it produces a minimum quality but then you must feed those ingredients

Meh, I still have a t1 for my t1 assembler, and am handcrafting t2's

Not an option for you lol

[frail ledge]

that is a .05 away from a T3 assembler speed

[sturdy mist]

nb

[frail ledge]

what to hand feed the quality stuff?

[sturdy mist]

No to handcraft t2 asm

[frail ledge]

oh haha noooo

trying to proc a T2 quality Module

sulfer requiring water is painful

[sturdy mist]

lmfao I spent too much time fucking around in space and got expansions into my cloud

I've been pretty green but I've been fucking around a lot

I noticed an attack in time and I should be relatively covered but I have choices to make

lmao

[sturdy mist]

Poisons, grenades, yellow bullets and a car vs big worms. Not that I'm good at it but I got it done

I have some hard choices to make if I want to not hit my other deposits

[sturdy mist]

Well, I can't leave for vulcanus myself atm but I'm ready to go there lol

Stg if I have to tap this nauvis copper

[boreal oyster]

Yooo nice base

[sturdy mist]

Thanks, I haven't really touched it yet

I tried to go and got blowd up twice, still thinking about that ammo situation

I'm excited to play with lasers on there too, not sure how that's gonna go, probably complete ass, but I have to check

Iron seems cheaper

[boreal oyster]

2 tips
1: Make sure enough turrets
2: Make sure turrets have a good amount of ammo available, you might be having issues where the ammo assembler is too low throughput wise

[boreal oyster]

Might wanna check the defence stats of the asteroids

[sturdy mist]

Yeah I had a feeling they had armor

[boreal oyster]

Lol

[sturdy mist]

Or resistances

[boreal oyster]

Yeah thats the right term

[sturdy mist]

I switched my ammo belt side

Still ran out

[boreal oyster]

From low production?

I kinda embraced the jankiness of an early space station and used the platform storage for everything

[sturdy mist]

Apparently there's ||an event trigger for first vulcanus run||? Idk I ran out lol, there are many things that play into that

My base is currently surviving on orbital iron

[boreal oyster]

Lol alr

[boreal oyster]

||by event trigger you mean the autosave?||

[sturdy mist]

You know how I am with wild hares. "Is it possible to not use anything but starting deposits"?

[boreal oyster]

Lol i didnt tweak settings and got to fulgora off starting deposits

[boreal oyster]

||yeah thats for all planets||

[sturdy mist]

yeah I got to vulc, well I'm "on my way"

[boreal oyster]

Lol

[sturdy mist]

I assumed so by the name

[boreal oyster]

Alr alr

[boreal oyster]

Can also do it one way

Just gotta get ready cuz orbiting planets other than nauvis aint so easy

[sturdy mist]

Tbh I have to read the tooltips now, intended experience and all that

But what they showed for defense shook me

[stark bridge]

It's pretty simple

Just make sure to have turrets

[stark bridge]

You won't need crazy stuff until later

I did all 3 planets with a ship I designed at the very beginning

[sturdy mist]

la la la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la la la la

lol I'm trying to not see too much, jivick's hint was too much as well

[stark bridge]

What you've seen in space so far is what you'll see the majority of the time

Space is ezz

[boreal oyster]

Ah ight damn

[feral maple]

le spagget

[sturdy mist]

/facepalm

I didn't even realize that was a possibility but wube did it again lol

Gave people one more way to use 12 inserters for 1 belt

I didn't have enough iron plate production, and also no way to put stuff into or out of the cargo bay. Been iterating on it for a bit but I'm relatively happy with how it's coming along?

There's some funny lane stuff. I think support goes inside if you can DI stuff. I need to combine top and bottom and add at least 1 furnace

Initially I didn't think DI would be effective but because belt space is so limited, it's quite effective for uptime

[feral maple]

why

[sturdy mist]

Somebody didn't check rates

[feral maple]

what?

am i trippin or u

[sturdy mist]

you

More != better there

[feral maple]

why not

have u seen how many chunks can drop?

[sturdy mist]

Yeah but there are other constraints at play there

Mostly belt speed and space

[feral maple]

idk

ill replace some of them with rail gun when ill need it

its "future proof"

nmv im remaking the front

i have better idea

[sturdy mist]

idk this still feels wrong somehow

[feral maple]

hmm

wdy think now

[sturdy mist]

I can't tell with it not moving. Looks fancy enough.

Looks like you're thinking in terms of ground builds tho

[feral maple]

well you need for bigger ship

[sturdy mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl3uIYLB5ak Ooopen your miiind

omg there's an 80% chain why did nobody tell me there's an 80% chain

[feral maple]

what

[sturdy mist]

Oh it's shit nvm I misunderstood

Although actually.... it's not so bad

That's a funny, funny chain. You can turn ***all ***of your rocks into calcite?

Harvest everything, run this on this one and the metal chunks, but not the oxidizer version. You lose 20% of each, to turn 20% of each into ice

Then use this on the ice. Turn all 3 rocks into calcite. Hilarious

[feral maple]

well

[sturdy mist]

OMG BIG

SO BIG

UR EPEEN SO BIG

[feral maple]

bruh

[sturdy mist]

I have no basis for judgement

I'm not to that point and have been trying to avoid spoilers

[feral maple]

im building intrasystem hauler

planet to planet

im almost done

surely

[sturdy mist]

I'm iterating still

Tryina figure. I don't like how much space I'm leaving but also it's only a few tiles? Idk...

[feral maple]

hmm should i use foundry or not in space

is it worth it

i think it is

[sturdy mist]

Aight bye

[feral maple]

?

gg

[feral maple]

pog

instantly forgot an item

[frail ledge]

Train names at a zoom are CLEAN

[feral maple]

bro im strugglin on aquillo

its so weird

[frail ledge]

thoughts on chests?

[feral maple]

what chests

[frail ledge]

before the train station

[feral maple]

u have none

[frail ledge]

yeah, currently 0, but would some be better than none in ups case?

[feral maple]

in ups case its worse cuz more inserters

in loading speed its better

[feral maple]

this feels illegal

its just +1K each level

and almost free

idk

[frail ledge]

I dont wanna look

[feral maple]

what?

[feral maple]

😭

no mining prod for you 😄

unless you build the 1MSPM

[feral maple]

why tf does that so much POLLUTION

pog tho

lmao

[uncut yew]

if you reach 100% mining prod

how do you even use all that ore

[feral maple]

i got 100lvls for now

i finally got aquillo science pack

[feral maple]

what do u rate this spaggeti guys

[feral maple]

finally

LFG my first ones

[feral maple]

ok quality is harder to get then i though

i need to come up with smthing better cuz this thing i stole is slow af

[frail ledge]

I've honestly just been testing multiple different things and without having the ability to guarantee certain ranks, it's going to be slow. Regardless, I think the only real way to get it is to have it smelted and make it directly, but that could just be speculation

Because throwing quality modules just in the thing itself is slow

[feral maple]

this is fast

buts i need to cook one without changing recipes

its slow

[feral maple]

|| man having the platforms is so good ||

[stark bridge]

insane

[feral maple]

what infinite space does to a mf

[frail ledge]

being brained over here

[boreal oyster]

Yooo steel DI is cool cuz its the right rate

[frail ledge]

🙂

[boreal oyster]

W glob

[feral maple]

average SA power comsumption dafuq

im just crafting legendary modules

[feral maple]

😦

all that for what

this stolen upgrader wastes so much shit

[boreal oyster]

I AUTOMATED MIL SCIENCE

[boreal oyster]

i wonder how the 2 ways to quality grind compare

biters rlly are mad huh

these rockets dont do shit

so i must tech

[feral maple]

get more research then

[feral maple]

wdym 2way

[boreal oyster]

a craft with legendary resources, B gamble a recycle to give you legendary resources or craft with lower tier stuff but with quality module

3 ways mb

[feral maple]

this literally does that

[boreal oyster]

what

ok nvm

cool

[feral maple]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/behemoth-enemies

holy

fck

that is CRAZY

[frail ledge]

research tonight!!

[feral maple]

||pov: scrappers dont keep up||

[feral maple]

wasnt u saying that 2 days ago

[frail ledge]

Right when I said that I had a bunch of things I had to do in world of Warcraft LOL

[frail ledge]

@feral maple

[feral maple]

bots soon right

[uncut yew]

Ah, a man of culture I see

I take it you're enjoying the new expansion then?

[frail ledge]

Yeah, but my guild might be about done raiding for the tier so

[frail ledge]

If I can keep the 1k/m pace I had last night I'll have them in 7 game hours

[uncut yew]

I enjoyed leveling, I got about 5 toons to max level and just didn't really feel like doing anything at max level

Got disheartened by the economy just going to shit and not having the gold to be able to get top end enchants

[frail ledge]

I understand that, thankfully my guild supplies those at times, this tier we were on our own and I've burnt a lot, but anyway. Factorio wise I'm almost done with advanced oil

[uncut yew]

Sounds good 🙂 I'm currently working on a Vulcanus 1k SPM base to grind out mining prod levels whilst I get busy on Gleba

[frail ledge]

have no clue what any of that but mining prod is so it's gone be interesting

[uncut yew]

Think Mining productivity research is unchanged, the research cost is different though! I'll share the build once it's all done

I think it requires red/green/blue/purple, got the builds for the first 3 setup so far

[frail ledge]

No for infinite anymore?

[uncut yew]

Not for that one!

[feral maple]

lfg

[feral maple]

no eqch infinite has different science

[feral maple]

|| bro legendary modules and the new lab literally 4x your science without any infinite research || thats crazy

GGs should rush it ngl

[frail ledge]

I'm gonna think your talking about one of the planets techs, going red planet because I was persuaded there first

Have no damn clue what's there tho

Am being told quality science packs aren't worth, but I have a buddy with 500 labs pumping 1kspm and no prod moduls, just using the random quality packs

[feral maple]

special lab is on the green one

[frail ledge]

🤔

Maybe I find a way to progress all of them at once

[feral maple]

possible

cuz the needed techs are not unlocked by science pack

so u only need the research to discover the planet

and u play 1kx so u will have time to explore while u research xd

[frail ledge]

Wonder what it would take to just get it rolling tech wise

[feral maple]

xd more hours on the save then SA was out

[frail ledge]

Jeez

[feral maple]

@sturdy mist why u not here anymore

[boreal oyster]

Probs busy

The real question is why im not playing factorio

[feral maple]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Electric_flying_enemies

[frail ledge]

Does it kick you out of thread of your don't chat

[feral maple]

no

[boreal oyster]

If no messages i think

[frail ledge]

@boreal oyster bruh!

[boreal oyster]

Lol 1.6kspm but 1hr 40 mins research time

Ig time to go for a walk

A long walk

[uncut yew]

That is definitely a question, where have you been bro?

[boreal oyster]

im playing other games 😭 , i think yk abt it

Rust

cuz my younger brother and some friends wanted to and im kinda goated at building in that game

im getting on now tho 🔥

[frail ledge]

I've been enjoying rocket League a little more recently so I'd understand that

I'm less than 1.6 mill ion science packs away from The silo though. But now I either have to get electric furnaces and more mining outposts online or my base is dying

[boreal oyster]

the factory must grow tho 😞

[boreal oyster]

i think on the rocket silo research you can just spend your time colonizing mining outposts

[frail ledge]

I'm having a hard time with this on-site mining because I've always played the single smelter location

How do you deal with red green and blue chips? Do you on-site those or do you run iron and copper to one place?

[boreal oyster]

well for wagonlocked id do onsite

for starter im rn just going "eh fuck it" and doing it onsite but moving the iron and copper in with a main bus

[frail ledge]

I'm currently onsite green chips and it's not keeping up at all

But I think I need to just run to a couple of mining outposts and send it to a central location

I know that might be bad for SPM but I'll find a way

[boreal oyster]

as in like not enough GC?

[frail ledge]

No, it's making nowhere near enough to keep three trains active which is 96,000 chips

[boreal oyster]

basically all i can say is

money in money out, the cars driving it are trains, if you put enough money in for the money out then the rest of your worries is if you have cars loading at the same time as unloading

this applies for onsite and offsite stuff

if you putting GC on trains that isnt onsite 😭 , if you making GC next to what needs it its onsite

and for onsite stuff you just gotta make sure you making enough

and for offsite you make sure you making enough for everything

i rn have a 5m copper vein but it cant support more than a belt of copper so im having that issue

[boreal oyster]

the times numbers like 96,000 chips matters is for TPM, and thats the "car loading at the same time as unloading" you wanna make it so it almost never stops unloading

ya got that?

[frail ledge]

Ah

The plate-gc-train is all in one place at the moment 😂

[boreal oyster]

the what 😭

[frail ledge]

Might have to make this photo a little larger but middle right side below the boiler power in the middle

Sad part. Is there 's one to many times I have said elevated rails would just solve this problem

[uncut yew]

Bro builds factories for fun, throwing shacks together is childs play 🫡

[uncut yew]

Yo can I ask, what is going on with all of the resource nodes in your world? I've never seen SO much stuff

my map looks empty by comparison lmao

[frail ledge]

I cranked it all to 600%

[frail ledge]

this

[feral maple]

so when rocket?

its due 2 days

[uncut yew]

I'm getting a bit of playthrough lag - as in, my willpower to see it through to the end is failing me

I'm on Gleba and I've just about got it going

[frail ledge]

soontm

[uncut yew]

but fuck man, I so badly wanna restart and do things better

[feral maple]

its a lot easier with bots

this spaggeti mess can do 18k/m

[uncut yew]

Yeahhhhh, I'm just doing belts, and that does seem to be most of the issue

[feral maple]

soon the same way like 4 days ago?

[feral maple]

yh with belts u need to balance manually bots do it for u

[frail ledge]

lul idk

I have to keep blue stabilized

[uncut yew]

I mean in fairness, this 'just works' for now - but as it stands I have no idea what to actually spend the resources on

[frail ledge]

all I know is its time to switch to non coal based smelt

[feral maple]

finally

all my problems went away with the 2. one

had some roboports with like 500 bots xd

[uncut yew]

Can any of you give me advice on how to get off of Gleba, I'm so done with this planet 🥲

I've just brought 4k bots to Gleba

[feral maple]

erm

build a rocket?

[frail ledge]

I'm gonna just bring a silo with me lol

[feral maple]

yes

u cant load it tho

u need to craft it

💀

[feral maple]

u cant load nukes and silos

only the items to craft them later

[frail ledge]

Then do that

[feral maple]

i can craft silo on each planet

its better for expanding

why it cant just stay at the 100k

i cant keep it stable like u xd

[frail ledge]

Gimme that SPM

[feral maple]

get clusterio ima send it

xd

[frail ledge]

The secret is to figure out your inputs tbh

[feral maple]

i aws missing space science off all of them xd

now im missing yellow

and idc anymoer

its good enough

[frail ledge]

I've heard space science if a biatch

[feral maple]

maybe if i had smthing better then this pasted 15 times xd

and now my bottleneck is electric engine

😄

i dont have time for this rn

[frail ledge]

Lul welcome to what I've been doing

[feral maple]

yea

what happends to a mf when he doesent design it creative

and does it on the fly

[frail ledge]

I mean, mine wasn't designed in a bp world. I didn't have bps

[feral maple]

yea

[feral maple]

@frail ledge

LOOOOOOOk

its a line

now it should hold permanently unless gleba combusts

yep its holding steady

[boreal oyster]

HUH 100kspm wtf

[boreal oyster]

Lol its loading more than unloading? Whats the limit on unloading stations 2?

[boreal oyster]

Both are fun, both have the same difficulty imo, unless we doing combinator stuff lmao

[frail ledge]

They are both 1

[boreal oyster]

Oh

[feral maple]

yea but only 25k/m bottles

[frail ledge]

Not enough input anywhere

[boreal oyster]

Buffer chests?

[frail ledge]

Might need to re arrange to do that current 0

[boreal oyster]

Damn buffering sci is wild but you do you fr

[feral maple]

.... think

literally 4x prod

[boreal oyster]

OH💀

[boreal oyster]

Yeah, either add buffer chests for static 1 limit or make the limits 2 for unloading and loading, both make so there is “mats ready to be used” when “a train isnt there”

[frail ledge]

Ye

Either need a stacker or chest

[boreal oyster]

Yeahhh, shoulda thought of it before doing that lol, btw you can make stackers intersect with normal traffic as long as it doesnt block the path of the trains

Youd need to put a chain signal after the rail signal to separate the signal blocks

[feral maple]

oh no

it happened again

[boreal oyster]

Wtf

[boreal oyster]

Biter mania?

[feral maple]

yh

problem is i dont know what happened

ah

[boreal oyster]

Lacking in defences?

[feral maple]

i had 0

[boreal oyster]

It do be tha be like do be tha be

[boreal oyster]

Go put some down

[feral maple]

no

im clearing them out of the ring

IM DONE

[boreal oyster]

Someone seems to be having biter struggles

[uncut yew]

That was my thinking, man that SPM?! WHAAAAAT

[uncut yew]

Sir I believe I've found the culprit

[frail ledge]

[feral maple]

no rocket actually

[uncut yew]

So I restarted my game, and I've been planning better this time

[feral maple]

bruh

restartign never

[uncut yew]

I'm a serial restarter

I respect you never abandoning a save file

But I wanted to change my map settings, so that's what I've done

Also, I accidentally used the editor extension mod in my past save which bricked all the achievement potential that run had left 😦

[boreal oyster]

MOOOO

N*

[frail ledge]

[uncut yew]

Okay, home now - I can share 😄

I wanted railworld settings, and a map I could actually get achievements on - sue me xD

The map plan, a progress pic, and the factory planner design I'm using as a starting point

[uncut yew]

I definitely allowed the ADHD to run my last playthrough

[boreal oyster]

@uncut yew i messed up my sci production for the past idfk hour? 😭

havent been researching

man the trip to vulc is easy asf

[uncut yew]

Not ideal lmfao

[uncut yew]

Vulc is a great planet, enjoy it man

[boreal oyster]

thanks

[boreal oyster]

yeah woulda had the new armour

[uncut yew]

New armour is god tier

[boreal oyster]

still waiting for it but here is my vulc bootstrap

[uncut yew]

I love bootstrap setups, how're you finding it?

It will feel amazing once you have the new buildings automated

[boreal oyster]

im working on that rn

tho i need tungsten so im prepping 4 reactors

[boreal oyster]

its kinda easy but its rlly fun tho

[uncut yew]

power generation on that planet is so simple, I love it

[boreal oyster]

Oh im not making reactors for power lol

||For a “friend”||

[uncut yew]

oh ffs lmfao

[boreal oyster]

Idk how else to do it tho

[uncut yew]

I won't tell you what else works

you can figure it out on your own

but I do really appreciate that your first instinct was "nuclear hellfire solves all problems"

[boreal oyster]

||tough snail with high regen, hmmm how to kill||

[boreal oyster]

All i can say is goodluck to the snails

Also my fulgora ship completely works fully auto now

Im so happy

[boreal oyster]

I just found out ||nukes are after kovarex not a planet sci|| so like ig thats an option

Im 5 mins away from making a machine i wear

[boreal oyster]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i finally have 16gb ram

this is with everything usually opened and dayum my pc wanted 5gb more ram than it had 😭

[feral maple]

🙂

[boreal oyster]

IM DONE WOOO

time for gleba? nah

still gotta make more auotmation on vulc

[feral maple]

fulgooooora

[boreal oyster]

i did that alread

y

[feral maple]

ah

what do u think about this update

[boreal oyster]

what

[feral maple]

[boreal oyster]

how do i view that btw

[feral maple]

uh, you need to get them mod

[boreal oyster]

bruh

im blind

[feral maple]

yea

😄

[boreal oyster]

funky planet

[feral maple]

more like an asteroid field

[boreal oyster]

ah so gleba is a good place to go to quilo from

[feral maple]

its the same distance as from fulgora

if u hover it should say it

[boreal oyster]

bruh

BULLSHIT

im low on oil

[feral maple]

you should maybe do coal liq.....

that really helped me on vulc with oil

[boreal oyster]

need to research

[feral maple]

really? where do u unlock it

[boreal oyster]

what

how does bro expect to get 1m spm and doesnt know where coal liq research is 😭

[feral maple]

bcs u dont need to know that shit

[boreal oyster]

prepped for the future

[boreal oyster]

Nope

Forgot advanced takes 2 liqueds And coal

Ffs

[boreal oyster]

Hmmmmm

fluids

wait

are they even possible with this rotation of foundries

nah right?

feck

[frail ledge]

It is but... Pipe nightmare

[boreal oyster]

nah ofc it is easy

just well for wagonlocked id need 4 pipes 💀

not 2

[boreal oyster]

current book

got blue sci left before the big guns

[boreal oyster]

now for the other like 5 things

[boreal oyster]

processing units

[boreal oyster]

added spoiler

[boreal oyster]

i did the 6 sciences for nauvis

[boreal oyster]

implementing em soon

3k red sci spm

[boreal oyster]

Updated the blueprint descriptions to actually understand what im pasting 😭

[boreal oyster]

this beaconing is kinda chaotic

i have to update a ton of the bps cuz they dont tile well enough

and dont follow the "max output hoped for?"

speaking of

i should probably change the e furnace to have 2 of em at the least

[boreal oyster]

okay so maybe idk what im doing

[boreal oyster]

i was so close to being done yesterday lol

[boreal oyster]

tadaaa

now prod modules

[boreal oyster]

ok so @sturdy mist im gonna probs use a chem plant this 1 time lmao

cuz like thats such abysmal numbers 😭

[sturdy mist]

Prod in plastic huh?

[boreal oyster]

gotta save that coal brah

[sturdy mist]

There's a tech that gets you to 300% with no prod mods

[boreal oyster]

lmao 😭

yeah but it takes agriculture science

and i have like 20spm of that effectively and i still havent improved it

lol

[sturdy mist]

lol better hop too

[boreal oyster]

the coal ill save ill send at the biters (things on the naughty list)

the engineer is santa

just sends rlly explosive presents

[boreal oyster]

what

[sturdy mist]

Getting that agri done

[boreal oyster]

ah true

[sturdy mist]

Agri has some key prod techs

[boreal oyster]

1st planet ill rework

cuz i need STACKSERTERS

evenrually

[sturdy mist]

Yea you do

[boreal oyster]

esp for legendary machiens lol

anyways essentially finished prod modules, just doing the chemplant fix

ah damn more beacons on top of the 1st 2 is a bit annoying w chem plant even

imma do inserter chest inserter for the coal

cuz this is a bit annoying lol

actually for the plastic so i can use the extra beacons for the RC

thats pretty funky and i think its functional

yeahg

[boreal oyster]

@sturdy mist what do you think abt inserter -> chest -> inserter for copper wires?

too cursed?

[sturdy mist]

I bent over backwards to avoid that in 1.1. It must be worth more effort now

[boreal oyster]

so i should avoid that even more?

[sturdy mist]

The higher the rates involved, the more important the guidelines are, yeah

[boreal oyster]

ah igh

[sturdy mist]

Wire rates are silly here

[boreal oyster]

i mean id also have to do some funk w where the RC EMP is

[boreal oyster]

well the demmand is only 7 for the emp atm

lemme check rq

[sturdy mist]

Well yeah, you're getting into the tough part of things

RC is less than GC for sure, but it's still the highest RC input

[boreal oyster]

this is what it would take wires wise

[sturdy mist]

It's of higher priority to DI something at 20 than it is something at 8.

There's no clean "DI everything"

You gotta make your choices

[boreal oyster]

ah ight

i can sacrifice the plastic DI then

[sturdy mist]

I would've long ago for the rates out of the cryo, but yeah

[boreal oyster]

now to solve this lol

[sturdy mist]

lol no dice

It's actually impossible

[boreal oyster]

~~ watch me~~

[sturdy mist]

You can do other stuff, maybe, but not that specifically

[boreal oyster]

i can shift the GC up and have the output come out, id have to chest inserter the coal but thats worth it imo

[sturdy mist]

The beacons can't be bumped left, the inserter can't be bumped right

Yeah you could rearrange other stuff maybe

Coal is not so bad since you should be getting an 8x to plastic

[boreal oyster]

though might be 1 tile off

dont think it is tho

[boreal oyster]

ah true

lmao i didnt even need to move the GC

just the belt

and it tiles

[sturdy mist]

Hell yeah, once you get into 7 tiles, it's hard to give that up lol

[boreal oyster]

can 100% clean it up and tile it better

[boreal oyster]

so far its been the same issues repeated cuz of foundries so it hasnt been that tough to shove everything into 7 tiles of space

optimizing the inserters and belt mechanics tho would 100% make it harder

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, the foundries don't allow some beacons b/c 5 width, but they're so powerful they don't need it

[boreal oyster]

they do tho

thats 14 tiles and repeatable and works with 1 wagon per foundry

[sturdy mist]

5+3=8, no dice

Paired is diff than single and you know that 😛

[boreal oyster]

nuhhuh

i did it for steel before too

cuz i wanted to save 1 beacon per 2 pastes of a segment

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1299781910737981601/image.png?ex=677f59fc&is=677e087c&hm=337476e29ed0517e611b651a1cb6d80518f13c9495b6d4c29a9cc44080b6134f& Doing paired allows funny mirrors

You can alternate wagon side

[boreal oyster]

magic

[sturdy mist]

So it's iron-copper-iron-copper on both sides, just flipped

[boreal oyster]

yeah thats the complicated part of pairs, id rather use it to my advantage than to my detriment 💯

[boreal oyster]

each wagon supplies one foundry

[sturdy mist]

Yup, tools for the toolbox though. You can do that with alternating sides too

[boreal oyster]

🤷‍♂️

[sturdy mist]

Paired was a strong tool in 1.1, and it's stronger now specifically b/c of the 5x5 buildings

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh

its not just stronger, its useful for even higher spms

i like how singles look tho so imma go w that for a while

thats cursed lmfao

i love it

[sturdy mist]

lol I had to do that with plastic in 1.1 a lot

[boreal oyster]

surprised i didnt but ig i didnt do as much as you lol

[sturdy mist]

Not saying it's good but it's there

[boreal oyster]

oh god wtf 😭

looks cursed

rlly cursed

[sturdy mist]

It's the double beacon that looks cursed more than the alternating

[boreal oyster]

2 layers of beacons cant hurt you
2 layers of beacons:

[boreal oyster]

yep

[sturdy mist]

lmao yeah but think of that more like "There's a lot of space to do other stuff"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1300830342294278236/image.png?ex=677f35e9&is=677de469&hm=5d854bb5b6ffb7006fbd85dea7d6fecd0efdb68c5d54f0ae1eeffe7ef5243e51& This is much more sane, the red sci is also alternating and doesn't look stupid

[boreal oyster]

ok so there is paired wagons but there is also PAIRED wagons aka what you have sent

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, wagons can be treated like pairs for the initial design phase. Or more, I see no reason why 3 or 4 wouldn't do the same if you had a reason

Design for 7 and paste X times, or design for 14 and paste X/2 times, same result

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh

as long as it pairs and fits in the length of a train it uses

[sturdy mist]

Yep, opting to constrain yourself to wagon intervals is the thing that allows train tiling

[boreal oyster]

and is probs just as easy as single wagons

or even easier

[sturdy mist]

Yeh, easier most of the time

7 tiling is TOUGH, once you get to use 14 a bunch of the hard parts go away

[boreal oyster]

yep, wagonlocked is like an onion

[sturdy mist]

7 tiling automatically takes away two entire sides for insertion unless you do some tricks

[boreal oyster]

its got layers

yeahhh

i think this is dense enough lol

[sturdy mist]

lmao I had to jog them here, idr why

GC building two tiles north of BC tho

I think it was the piping? don't remember

[boreal oyster]

that petro pipe was probs the bane of your existence for a bit lmao

[sturdy mist]

Beacon count was also part of it

[boreal oyster]

think so

[sturdy mist]

Yeah that PG pipe was an essential part of that entire design lol

[boreal oyster]

cuz without the petro belt and slightly dif belting you could skew it up a bit

[sturdy mist]

Yeah the difference between this and the last iteration of the 20k was that PG pipe

[boreal oyster]

why you piping the petro in that direction tho lol

needs more context

[boreal oyster]

time to paste it in

[boreal oyster]

also my e furnaces here was wrong but it was a minor fix

[sturdy mist]

PG generated at the left end of this build, the big thing inside the rails on the left is the oil production. It was suppling the plastic on the other end about 1.8km away

[boreal oyster]

oh 💀

and the plastic is for RC's?

[sturdy mist]

lol yeahhhh

[boreal oyster]

is the last iteration just moving RC to the left of the Pu's?

[sturdy mist]

THat would be cool if I could remember why I put plastic in the middle

I think belting

[boreal oyster]

huh

lmao the filter setting 😭

2.0 messed up that world a bit

[sturdy mist]

lol just a bit, that part's seemingly fine though

Somehow the trains still function, nothing else does

[boreal oyster]

lmao wtf

not signal less?

[sturdy mist]

It is

[boreal oyster]

what

[boreal oyster]

i thought you said signal less got broken in 2.0 but then also fixed w the interupts

or is this a dif typpa signal less

[boreal oyster]

[sturdy mist]

This wasn't as dependent upon that mechanic as I thought, but it's also a subset of the whole design

Lots of open limits here

[boreal oyster]

huh thats interesting

[sturdy mist]

There should be a collision when a train can't exit b/c of that being full, and then it leaves later at the wrong time

Not sure why it hasn't happened lol

[boreal oyster]

stations left wooo

[boreal oyster]

just x64 speed fr

then youll see it happen?

[sturdy mist]

lmao it was saved at 8x

Not worth figuring out anyhow

[boreal oyster]

true

cuz the new stuff is better

[sturdy mist]

The critical breakage is that it no longer clears limit so I can't transmit those signals with trains. But I have radar.

[boreal oyster]

i wonder, how much have i gotten better at wagonlocked

probs not that much

[sturdy mist]

Pretty significantly, I'd say, but it's so hard for me to judge the new stuff without having done it

[boreal oyster]

ah ight

[boreal oyster]

lol yeah, its hard to judge new wagonlocked

imma use the search shi rq

god dayum thats a lot of wasted space lmao

the 2 tiles on the left of yb could have been saved

[sturdy mist]

lol, yeah you've improved

That much I knew for sure

[boreal oyster]

or i decided to focus on tiles more now lol

saving tiles*

[sturdy mist]

I mean, that's a big part of the whole thing

[boreal oyster]

and i ignored that big part 😭

till now

[sturdy mist]

Like, tiles are kindof the corest mechanic

3x3, 1x1, 5x5, one thing per tile

Tiles is what makes wagonlocked hard, but also what makes it strong

The choice of what goes where has massive implications, originally it was robot frames through BC through LDS, then I changed it to BC through LDS through RF, and this battery build was a huge part of even being able to do that. Notice 10 materials passing through one wagon lol

This was a brutal fight, took me days

You have to thread them all the way through every part of the build they pass through... No interruptions in the line of belting

If you want to change a belt location there, you might have to alter belt locations a km away to make that work

I had to thread gears and pipes through batteries, I tried to put them on the other side and it didn't work, don't remember exactly why. I think it had to do with getting the belts through the pipe/gears

Oh yeah and this nonsense; Steel goes up a wagon but maintains wagonlock. It's just kinda located in the next wagon

lol steel which I did need further onwards, and so I had to rectify that wagon switch.

[boreal oyster]

well yeah lol

i just meant i half assed the tile saving part

atleast in the example w the yellow belt

[sturdy mist]

Yeh, seems like how to get used to it tbh, like my first iterations of wagonlock weren't 7 tile

[boreal oyster]

lmao yeah

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh you showed before

it was just wagonlocked principle, but not tilable

[sturdy mist]

yup

[boreal oyster]

lol i think i did that already w the recent stuff

belting up a wagon

[sturdy mist]

lol it's hard but if it's the only option you have, welp

[boreal oyster]

yeahh

example this RC

tho i think itlle be somewhat easier to not do so

yeahhh

[sturdy mist]

Eh, no real difference unless you need those tiles for something else

Options like that are nice, "I could put this on either side as needed"

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh

i mean it saves 6 tiles or so tho lol

also i find it funny i called doing DI furnace stuff "AB wagonlocked" i mean yeah its AB but like why did you do so much belting past me lmao

atm im doing ONLY AB wagonlocked

well for the resources, then i export the stuff w a train andor a belt

[sturdy mist]

Belting is probably still more UPS efficient than trains

Almost assuredly if you're stacking

Not that UPS efficiency is relevant here lol

[boreal oyster]

well now yeahhh lol

PFFF i trolled myself

i cant align it belt wise cuz of the station alignment

[sturdy mist]

wat

[boreal oyster]

actually no cuz its 1 tile of diference

i mean yeah i can just move the belt at the end of the chain

just dang its not a straight line

[sturdy mist]

lol you've got what looks like four guaranteed tiles

I jogged many times

[boreal oyster]

tho now that i look at it i can move EVERYTHING down 1 tile lmao

[sturdy mist]

Also that lol

[boreal oyster]

hmm

worth it

i can even save a train i think

2 trains

[sturdy mist]

Damn I must've removed those jogs

I used to have a belt jog here but switched it for pg I guess

[boreal oyster]

i can save 2 trains cuz of the e furncace having iron and copper on the left

tho the tpm will be higher there

idm tho

[sturdy mist]

I had some of these lol

[boreal oyster]

yeah same

my 1.1 wagonlocked bps had that a LOT

esp at the sattelite stuff

[sturdy mist]

Lane management and belt management is prolly the big constraint on longer chain wagonlocks

Shifting builds up or down a tile like that is par

[boreal oyster]

piping jog is kinda funny but i had to too because of "station alignment"

[sturdy mist]

lol yeah there's some weird stuff that goes on trying to get so many things through so few tiles

[boreal oyster]

as long as it works 💯

3kspm purple science (not tested lol)

[sturdy mist]

It's so big lol

[boreal oyster]

yeah lmao

if only i had quality machines

[sturdy mist]

20k is literally 40 machines

[boreal oyster]

💀

i have seen the light and it scares me

lmao wtf

[sturdy mist]

Yeah trains are DEAD

[sturdy mist]

I have no clue what's going on with that tbh lol

[boreal oyster]

1 machine

making copper

[sturdy mist]

For 20k. Yes.

[boreal oyster]

for 20kspm purple sci 😭

[boreal oyster]

not even worthy of 1 plate foundry for the iron

😭

[sturdy mist]

Y E A H

[boreal oyster]

thats some wild numbrs lol

[sturdy mist]

I haven't done any wagonlocked in spage because of those numbers

It's just not there

[boreal oyster]

also fluid wagon per minute?

[sturdy mist]

Yeah

[boreal oyster]

that doesnt sound much

[sturdy mist]

Fluid wagons are alright

[boreal oyster]

16.5 wagons of fluid per minute

huh

[sturdy mist]

If you're going to do trains it's either ore, science, or fluid wagons I think

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh

[sturdy mist]

Nothing else is remotely close to making sense

[boreal oyster]

in 1.1 processing units on trains sure