3KSPM Wagonlocked Spage

[boreal oyster]

perimeter time soon

[uncut yew]

I'm mostly working towards a rail network now

well, not now, now I'm procrastinating at work

(:

[sturdy mist]

I got a meme dream wild hare situation goin on, gonna do full bidi megabase for lolz

1k spm on 2-4-2's is honestly looking peachy

[boreal oyster]

yay more tech to research 😭

[boreal oyster]

looks like you arent doing DI anymore

[sturdy mist]

Got a wild hare up my ass

Looked at WPM numbers for 1k SPM

[boreal oyster]

shii you doing 4 wagons for 1kspm now yeah thats wild

250spm per wagon is sooo easy compared to 1111 lol

[sturdy mist]

right??

[boreal oyster]

maybe with lds aswell lol

[boreal oyster]

what diference does it make with ups tho?

longer trains will be reached faster tho

so ig thats an issue

[sturdy mist]

What difference does what make, specifically?

[boreal oyster]

like doing less spm per wagon

[sturdy mist]

TPM/station decrease

Longer trains means more wagons per train so it's like 15 minutes between trains

[boreal oyster]

oh thats true

[boreal oyster]

ah true

[sturdy mist]

at 100/stack that's like.. 5 ever

52 minutes between trains

That's why I was like "waitaminute these numbers are actually stupid easy to hit with a single bidi track"

[boreal oyster]

ah igh

bruh thats so dumb

[sturdy mist]

lmfao rip, use a t2 I guess

[boreal oyster]

nuhhuh t1 it is

plus easy 2:3 gc:copper wire

lol blue science is gonna be so big its gonna hit biters

NOOOOOOOO

cliffs

[sturdy mist]

Honestly dude I'm looking at this and I'm thinking... What if I went fully nobrain

Do the basic ratio, 5-6-12 etc

What happens if I make them 8 long too

Fucked up, why's it gotta be like that

[boreal oyster]

hmmmmm i wonder if i could do this with beacons

no

cool looking tho

[boreal oyster]

cuz sometimes things dont align well

[sturdy mist]

reeeeeee

[boreal oyster]

#1284840684750241812 message

[sturdy mist]

So I have a choice

8 beacon and easy stations

or 10 beacon and I divide 3 materials into 2 chests

[boreal oyster]

ah that makes sense

@sturdy mist they buffed fluid wagons wtf

50k volume

[sturdy mist]

sick, training fluids is much better now then

[boreal oyster]

yeah

2x better

makes tpm even lower

[sturdy mist]

Dang I think my unregulated cracking trick won't work anymore

[boreal oyster]

shi how

goodnight ichy have fun

[uncut yew]

Bro how did that get there

[sturdy mist]

Wasn't paying attention, got distracted

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1299054383937359882/image.png?ex=671bce2c&is=671a7cac&hm=3a96f1f7c9e1f78ac7ae92780ce16a0badc0992a07b151f6f366780fa245c5f6& I keep getting distracted tbh

[feral maple]

looks round

[sturdy mist]

Single chunk intersection

I bet the TPM is actually p deece

[sturdy mist]

Okay welp

Turns out I'm doing 2-5-2

[feral maple]

is it updated for new beacons?

perhaps you should choose factory planner

[sturdy mist]

Maybe

I'm sitting here and realizing what I've done though

5 wagons long increments, done with the basic exact ratio, on 10 beacon, is precisely a bluebelt

Regardless of that neat little alignment, which I would like to target, I'm considering what I'm doing here as well

More DI from paired wagons is kindof cool, but so is compressing materials in trains

Anyhow I'm sitting here going "wait, if this is doable on bidi, how far could I push this with actual rails"

b/c belting science to labs, also interesting, so shipping dense materials to the labs... idk it's worth a peep

I don't have to go ape-shit like I did with green. My red science design is fine, it's 10 beacon and I can repeat at 10 instead of 5, same difference, two bluebelts instead of 1.

[uncut yew]

Progress pic

[uncut yew]

I miss being able to do a single chunk intersection with a roundabout - that was great for 1-1 trains

[sturdy mist]

I mean, roundabouts are almost passable lol

They're not so bad with short trains but at least they function

[uncut yew]

Yeahhhhh, for the pre-rocket early game rail network a lil roundabout is great for saving on U-Turn sections

[feral maple]

bro its like i forgot what to do midgame

i always play late game

mostly

[sturdy mist]

Fuk... I guess not every tool for every job, or something

I found no improvements in green sci over my 20k build

It's kinda neat you can do enough for 12 green sci machines with such a build though

That build isn't bad, it just doesn't work exactly for my needs

[feral maple]

shit

maybe i should finally get nuclear

[sturdy mist]

lmao blackout ftw

[feral maple]

double it and send it to the next person

this is silly tho

i like it

[boreal oyster]

NO

WHY

[feral maple]

?

[boreal oyster]

Wayyy too much steam power

Gotta add solar/nuclear smh

[feral maple]

my bots are not fast yet

uranium is far

[boreal oyster]

Show

[boreal oyster]

Why bots when trains work

[feral maple]

too late for setting all that

[feral maple]

already turned it if

m going to sleep

tis 3am

[boreal oyster]

Its 1 rail line for uranium bruh

[boreal oyster]

Gn bro

[boreal oyster]

Legit a single line no signals 2 stations and a 1-1-1-1 train with the 2 wagons in the middle being cargo and fluid

[feral maple]

yes ik

im lazy tho

tomorrow

[sturdy mist]

I can control the entire base of trains with ~10 combos now.

Technically it's an infinite set and +1 combo per TBT length

But I can do global sync so much easier now too... 4-20 trains because ayyylmao, 1-20 is too far.

8 bluebelt I guess?

[boreal oyster]

Big brain time fr

You planning on using that?

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, I'm still figuring out some topology stuff but I think I've got it hammered out

Yeh topology solved, ish

I'm not sure about RGB yet

Oh right I'm belting RGB

[boreal oyster]

Nice nice

[boreal oyster]

ez

[uncut yew]

I've just been reading about the absolutely insane crafting options we have now

Someone on Reddit posted about making 350+ green chips a second

With a small handful of legendary quality buildings + modules

[boreal oyster]

no space age spoilers fr

[uncut yew]

Sorry!

Wasn't sure if that was a spoiler or not 🚫

[feral maple]

you can get 700 from 1 building rn

cant wait to get on thta level

[uncut yew]

Same. I just want bots, and a new planet discovered by the end of the weekend

Not sure how fast I'm gonna try and go to rush about and do things

I'm probably just gonna play at a steady pace rather than achievement push

[feral maple]

i play too slow this time

20spm and AFK

[sturdy mist]

lol you're at 0.7 evo, 90% pollution, with the pollution/evo nerfs?!? Tf dude

[feral maple]

kek

[boreal oyster]

pov you SR latch steam

[feral maple]

i didnt

[boreal oyster]

🤷‍♂️ idk

[boreal oyster]

ok idk then

[boreal oyster]

thats an SR latch basically tho

[feral maple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768807673641566268/1182041620133183600/pointless.gif

[boreal oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1206460626512121916.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[feral maple]

my power plant trying to power my base when it takes 2x power

[boreal oyster]

yeah SR latch + lack of power production smh

[feral maple]

bruh i had 69 mod updates

[boreal oyster]

haha

nice

[feral maple]

skipped few hours

figured out a way to have mods and achievements

[sturdy mist]

lol gotta wean yourself off that modded crack bro

mainline vanilla is a hardcore enough drug

[feral maple]

yes but i need speed

[sturdy mist]

Idk probably hasting time is always bad

[uncut yew]

Slowly but surely

[boreal oyster]

ayy looking good

did you do 8hr achievement?

[boreal oyster]

https://discord.com/channels/139677590393716737/1299607145523843112
imma be making this

[uncut yew]

End of an era 😭 the first iron patch is about to run out

[sturdy mist]

Aight so it's some new style, some old, but I'm happy with the ratio b/c it means I'll be precisely producing all of them together, and it's wagonlocked still

Couldn't find a better way to do green sci so that's old school, it staples right on the side of the red tho. Still need to furnace it up but that shouldn't be an issue

8 bluebelts

[boreal oyster]

im so cooked

[boreal oyster]

looks cool tho

[boreal oyster]

wish i had a better mall

[sturdy mist]

lol narrow wagonlocked is still so funny to me

[boreal oyster]

its like jumping over a hedge instead of walking around it 😭

[boreal oyster]

ITS COOL THO CUZ IT STOPS SPAGHETTI ISSUES

yk how spaghetti isnt scaleable? it is now with this

[sturdy mist]

It does but like, if you want to expand, wider is a good direction too

I got through yellow science before I put safe exit blocks on

[boreal oyster]

what

ayyy one more train and blue sci is up

i can do this rightttt

ffs

[sturdy mist]

So like, TPM's one of the constraints, but you don't need safe exit blocks if your TPM is low enough

[boreal oyster]

im doing static 2 limit so i need 2x the trains lol

[sturdy mist]

yee

[boreal oyster]

true, but also what

[sturdy mist]

You need 1/4th the trains if they're 4x as long

[boreal oyster]

OHHHHH

[sturdy mist]

That quarters braking distance on track

[boreal oyster]

yeah true

[sturdy mist]

As long as your accel is high enough you don't get traffic issues you don't need safe exit blocks

2-18 was fast enough through yellow, I had issues when I put space science on at 2-18 but I resolved it with 3-18 instead

[boreal oyster]

i gtg sleep man

gn bro

[sturdy mist]

Also I pushed that track too far for 2-18 intentionally

cya

[sturdy mist]

New beacons allow 10-7 beaconing on steel, paired wagons lets you do it wagonlocked. I can't do it w/o paired

[sturdy mist]

Spage acquired, DDI complete

[boreal oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

[boreal oyster]

holy shit 90 tpm

@sturdy mist im almsot done designing the automall

[sturdy mist]

I got a version of DDI up over 100

Hell yea!

[boreal oyster]

its just rlly cooked the final bit

[sturdy mist]

Oh right I wanted to do a michigan left as well

[boreal oyster]

ofc you do lmao

[sturdy mist]

jfc

[boreal oyster]

it keeps flickering the "power armor" and the efficiency modules to craft power armor

instead of staying on one recipe at a time

[sturdy mist]

I guess it's not really a michigan left. I'll call it "Leftover" because all of the lefts are up and most of the rest aren't

[boreal oyster]

leftover

lmao

who ate half your michigan and left it for tmrw

[feral maple]

you bought space age?

[sturdy mist]

YEE

[boreal oyster]

GOODNIGHT PEOPLE OF THE INTERNET

[boreal oyster]

COGRATS

I WISH I COULD

[boreal oyster]

@feral maple look a half working automall

[feral maple]

i saw

[feral maple]

and u already in editor xd

[sturdy mist]

lmfao dude I can't help myself, i haven't even got back out of editor

Elevateds are fun. I think I'm almost done tho

[feral maple]

u getting spoiled no?

[sturdy mist]

Nah I'm not peeking

I just had to get my hands on them bridges

[feral maple]

im still getting used to it to seeing this and thinking its normal

[uncut yew]

dm me your steam name

and why don't you have space age?

[feral maple]

he cant buy it

too pricey he said

[uncut yew]

any idea where he's from?

I don't suppose it matters - I'm just curious

[sturdy mist]

SE asia, I forgor the country

[feral maple]

thailand i think

[sturdy mist]

Bro I just cannot stay out of the kitchen, someone stop me from cookin

DDI is unironically good for crossless multi-track

[uncut yew]

Jesus if he's from Thailand it's like 1300 if it's a direct conversion

Ah it isn't, there's some localised price reduction, but still sheesh

SA costs almost a 3rd of the countries national average salary

[boreal oyster]

Lol 1/2th the price you mentioned

I dont have a job tho so thats why i cant buy it 😭

[boreal oyster]

Im broke 💯 , my older bro owes me almost exactly how much SA costs

[boreal oyster]

I like how you are designing intersections you will probably never use

[sturdy mist]

Oh yeah, there's zero point to them lol, I'll never do them. I just like trains and intersections are actually pretty fun for me

Just look at it, that's a FOUR LANE with 209, on an unimaginably small footprint two weeks ago

[boreal oyster]

Lol yeah

[boreal oyster]

You basically designing extremes of 2 things
A low tpm needes
B can support high tpm

[sturdy mist]

Yes, I am 1000% a minmaxer lol

I pushed those extremes on the other end so I could load the tracks with more trains

[boreal oyster]

Now make it work without signals

[boreal oyster]

Lol yeahh, more trains on track instead of waiting is good

[sturdy mist]

"How to mitigate acceleration completely" is a useful skill 😉

[boreal oyster]

I mean yeah, we are engineers

Gotta ignore acceleration

[boreal oyster]

going home in 1-1.5hrs WOOO

[uncut yew]

Drop me your steam name my guy

[boreal oyster]

mbmb alr

[boreal oyster]

thanks for space age @uncut yew lol

gotta restart now

[uncut yew]

[feral maple]

bruh spage is actually kinda short ngl

but when i will try to get everything legendary that will take long

[uncut yew]

I've yet to leave Nuavis

I'm kinda over preparing, I could've left ages ago

I'm stuck in the 'just one more thing before I leave' loop

[boreal oyster]

just leave and see how much you missing out on

[boreal oyster]

I AUTOMATED STEEL LSGO

[boreal oyster]

i got a bus down and was setting up PRE blue science

so all i gotta do tmrw if set blue sci recipes import oil and profit

@frail ledge ||IM GOING TO SPACE BEFORE YOU || (space age spoiler)

not rlly much of an achievement tbh

[frail ledge]

Lmao 🤣

How hard after was it? Before space

[feral maple]

LFG

[sturdy mist]

Hmm I might be fucking up

[feral maple]

no

i was at .6 when i was leaving

[sturdy mist]

Yeah but I must be farther from leaving than I thought

[feral maple]

🙂

[feral maple]

i wanna see how u will build your base

like what u will do about the logistics part

[sturdy mist]

Optimize, as per usual.

[feral maple]

yes but what u will do lategame

[sturdy mist]

Guess we'll see

Some interesting new realms to play in

[boreal oyster]

Well idk yet, still have to go to uni today before finding out

[boreal oyster]

Since we all kinda have space age now we could try a multiplayer world

Our schedules might not line up tho lol

[boreal oyster]

If you have expansions on yeah

[boreal oyster]

Cleared too many biters fr

[sturdy mist]

Maybe so

I have mil sci tho

Also I got mixed working with min ramps

[boreal oyster]

That looks cool

These new intersections are so hard to decipher lmao

[sturdy mist]

lol yeah it's not super clear graphically from a distance until you get real used to it

[boreal oyster]

And im not taking a closer look untill i unlock elevated rails myself

Lol

[sturdy mist]

lol unfortunately for me, the existence was enough for me to figure stuff out

I was already too deep on intersections years ago

[boreal oyster]

“Unfortunately” i mean i would say its fortune to be able to have an interest in how vehicles should merge and split on roads/rails

Btw im like 2 hrs into my new world and already almost the same progress as the first one since im not rebuilding like 3 times and having my mall deadlock lmao

3hrs in*

I mean i was stuck in burner phase for 1.5hrs in that world since i wasnt sure what counted as wagonlocked

[sturdy mist]

looool

Tools are good for certain jobs but rarely all

I'm prolly gonna launch w/o trains

[boreal oyster]

Its a good challenge tho

Not good for time

[boreal oyster]

Thats boring, gotta train some oil to avoid messing with the new fluid system

[feral maple]

notime

i play when u sleep

[boreal oyster]

even on weekends?

[feral maple]

no but

[boreal oyster]

damn

F

[uncut yew]

how do you see this?

[uncut yew]

LFG?

[uncut yew]

Me too, I'm very interested in seeing what he does with all the new buildings

[sturdy mist]

type /evolution in the console

[uncut yew]

and that doesn't fuck with achievements?

[feral maple]

lets fcking go?

[uncut yew]

ahh

[feral maple]

you can hover over the spawner in factoriopedia for graphs

[uncut yew]

I used to play wow, and that always meant Looking for group xD

[feral maple]

xd

[uncut yew]

you see why I was confused lmao

[sturdy mist]

Shouldn't

[uncut yew]

ty 🙂

[boreal oyster]

rocket rush (spoilers for space age tech plans, no space age tech tho)

[frail ledge]

It still does

[feral maple]

also i play on like 5x-10x speed most of the time when im not designning

maybe thats why my save has 250 hours and i still wasnt on last planet

but ill design the platform tonight i swear

[boreal oyster]

ah ight

[feral maple]

got 2 friends into the game i wonder which dies first to trains

[sturdy mist]

Any time you want to speed up time, you should be doing something instead

I built blue science before I'd researched plastic

The reason I have time paused RN is because I have a research queue but don't know what my character should be doing

I already boosted PG production, I guess I could fix copper, and I could build mall stuffs, but I don't know what I'm doing next is my problem

[feral maple]

i am - playing cs2

[boreal oyster]

||im researching silo, its like 30 mins of researching lol|| spage spoiler

[boreal oyster]

rushing tech

fr

like for more stuff

building ahead* ig

[sturdy mist]

Yeah I can queue silo soon, I guess I should just start building materials for it?

[boreal oyster]

im rn thinking of building ahead some of this stuff

[sturdy mist]

I can set up LDS and chips

[boreal oyster]

yeah you need bots researched for it aswell

[sturdy mist]

fucked up

[boreal oyster]

uhoh iron shortage soon maybe?

[boreal oyster]

look at my cursed oil setup

[sturdy mist]

I can't

[uncut yew]

lmao, poor lamp 💔

[boreal oyster]

i got the launch pad i jsut gotta go sleep now lmao

gn ppl of the internet

[frail ledge]

Lmao no lamps!

[feral maple]

this might be contender for most comments in showcase xd

[sturdy mist]

lol cuz it's a conversation thread at this point

[frail ledge]

Mines also at 111 😂

[sturdy mist]

Mine only got to 139, I think people are scared of our bases lol

[feral maple]

dam mine is at 949

[feral maple]

@sturdy mist did you test that

[sturdy mist]

lol I haven't gone into minspace rails yet

[feral maple]

wdym

[feral maple]

u can get them closer?

[sturdy mist]

No, but it's difficult to lay infrastructure for signaling and movement

[frail ledge]

Well the train endeavour continues

[feral maple]

must be horrid for UPS

not straight rails and this close xd

[sturdy mist]

I would assume so but I think they fixed one train collision thing

[feral maple]

surely right

[sturdy mist]

I won't say anything for sure until I see modern data

Anything up till that point is "1.1 data"

[manic sky]

What Mod is that you're using there?

[tribal acorn]

Testbenchcontrols

Scenario and control GUI for the Throughput testbench. /viewtopic.php?f=194&t=94795

Author

HansJoachim

Downloads

943

Factorio version

2.0

[manic sky]

thanks

[feral maple]

cant want to get that OMEGA items

[feral maple]

maybe ill try to cook tomorrow 😄

bruh good thing i did a littlebit of cleansing before but maybe i should prepare the trenches

[boreal oyster]

PROGRESS

[frail ledge]

Nice 🤠

[boreal oyster]

another spot almost secured

last one after that

nvm

[frail ledge]

xD they just keep on happening

[boreal oyster]

i love how shit the pathing is on my trains rn lol

cuz of a bad rail system

[sturdy mist]

Jfc dude what is that

Turn right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hJ1HDcMowk

[boreal oyster]

a non complete 4 way issue

[frail ledge]

That's hilarious and sad

[boreal oyster]

i dont need much tpm tho

[frail ledge]

Yeah, and I'm also going to learn how to do on-site smelting so trains only bring plates around instead of ore

[boreal oyster]

smart

[sturdy mist]

Deposits near each other are usually circuits of some kind

[boreal oyster]

holy shit fulgora is fun

it has gambling

perfect planet fr

[frail ledge]

and I'm dealing with a belt lock for 3 more hours 😢

[boreal oyster]

make a setup that doesnt have that issue

[frail ledge]

😂

First time since playing I've ever dealt with this problem

The science isn't being shot out of the build fast enough

[boreal oyster]

💀

ig you need more belts carrying science

this is the thing i cant deal with tho

[frail ledge]

Ruh roh

[boreal oyster]

i trust that the flamers will be fine tho

i always got an emergancy rocket tho

doesnt help me but i got it

[boreal oyster]

i have to go sleep now goodnight people of the internet

[feral maple]

sleep is irelevant

the factory must grow

[boreal oyster]

[boreal oyster]

I wokeup a bit late today

Apparently the class im late for is canceled today

So thats cool

[sturdy mist]

Hell yea

[frail ledge]

So you lucked out to play more

I'm attempting a second bypass lane on til bed to squeeze some more science out

[boreal oyster]

Nah lol, i only found out the class is canceled because there was no one in the 6208 classroom the class starts

[frail ledge]

I'm getting closer to no more belt lock

[boreal oyster]

Ayyy finally basically what ive been suggesting lol

[frail ledge]

this piece of crap is 900spm belt locked

[boreal oyster]

900spm is still a ton

Maybe not for 1xk cost

[frail ledge]

it was 1500 for about 20 minutes

my problem is all 4 of those double belts need full

[boreal oyster]

holy shit no pollution cuz of solar

i got some stuff from fulgora

[uncut yew]

I gotta say I'm having so much fun on Vulcanus

Killed my first worm last night

Only had to reload my save like 4 times

[boreal oyster]

save scumming? bruhh smh

shame SHAME

[boreal oyster]

fulgora is fun too

im abt to start setting up actual production lol

[uncut yew]

I don't normally do it, but losing all my ammo/ turrets, no way home, and no setup for producing more I'd have just been wasting my time xD

I've finally gotten to the point where I can properly start fleshing out the base and start producing the science pack

so hype

Fucking worms take some killing fr

[boreal oyster]

FR SO HYPE to actually make a base on a new planet

[boreal oyster]

havent seen them yet but id assume so for the name "demolisher"

[boreal oyster]

yeah that makes sense, i was tempted to do save scumming too but on fulgora its so easy to rebuild

[uncut yew]

The only time I save scum is if the result of me dying would simply cause me to wait X amount of time as punishment for my mistake

and as I say, first time this run so, not all bad 😄

the foundry is such a powerful building, it's absurd

[feral maple]

good for you

i started on the mini island on fulgrora....

i didnt know there were bigger ones

bcs i did have any close

[uncut yew]

Can't wait to get to fulgora

The only planet I'm not looking forward to is Gleba 🤣

[boreal oyster]

i made mine not on my starter and so far im almost done designing it

[feral maple]

belts

[uncut yew]

The people using bots to solve all of their problems offend me

Belts feel more Factorio to me

And I refuse to elaborate on what that means

[boreal oyster]

ONG SAME

must use belts for sorting

[uncut yew]

Honestly it just makes my brain kick out happy signals, until the belts jam

I completely respect the use of bots for most things, but setting up a base for production etc, needs to be belts or pipes moving resources about

[frail ledge]

Your telling me 😂

And my ass is belt locked

[uncut yew]

That is a lot of belts

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-smile-evil-plan-oh-yes-gif-4908227414509090338

[frail ledge]

BELT LOCK

[feral maple]

im mind stuck

i dont want to design aquillo platform but i need it

[sturdy mist]

I'm stuck in a hyperengineering project

#combinators message Wildcard exensible dual wire multiplexer

For those times you have no way of avoiding 57 signals on copper

And also want to handle every signal except info

swishes wizard robes and a flash of sparks appears

[feral maple]

alr then 😄

[sturdy mist]

Tfw the pieces of your hyperengineering project are so beyond comprehension as to go unappreciated

[feral maple]

what are u cooking and for what purpose

[sturdy mist]

True vanilla LTN

I need a combinator GPS system, right now I have to have people input X and Y

[feral maple]

bruh

u could do a clock for each stop

[sturdy mist]

That's the multiplexer

[feral maple]

lke give each stop an id and iterate over them

[sturdy mist]

New stops register their presence and get an ID

[feral maple]

ah

[sturdy mist]

If I have 18 copper stops and 9 iron, it multiplexes over 18. If I build 18 more iron and go up to 27, it multiplexes over 27

There's a max for both wire colors.

[feral maple]

lot smaller then i though

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, bottom is red, top is green, so if you only need one you can chop it in half

The ID requesters are only 3 lol

[feral maple]

can it be made smaller tho

now that u can combine them

[sturdy mist]

I don't think so. I had to do a bunch of bullshit. Maybe

I don't think so b/c the wiring is specific

[feral maple]

maybe its better for performace like this

[sturdy mist]

There's a bunch of color back and forth

Yeah I'm 99.9% sure you can't combine it, damn

Tbh I'm stoked it's this small at all

*N multiplexing is tuff

[feral maple]

what the fck is multiplexing tho

is it him?

[sturdy mist]

3298723(copper) 27(i) is different than 3298723(copper) 28(i)

That way I can allow N copper stations to communicate on just the copper signal

[feral maple]

dosh had that in his city video

with the cars

[sturdy mist]

Nice, yeah this whole thing was doable in 1.1 but the combination of RG wires and the single selector combo to replace a max circuit probably cut it to less than 20% of the size of a 1.1 circuit

There was a reason I always avoided it if I could, now, I think it's not so bad

[feral maple]

well his "brain" was big af

but it did a lot more i think

[sturdy mist]

Hopefully

[feral maple]

https://youtu.be/TW5_9iLW9Wg?t=1943

😄

just 1 12 50

xd

[sturdy mist]

Oh sweet jesus

[feral maple]

u havnt seen it?

[sturdy mist]

I don't like dosh's voice

[feral maple]

why

[sturdy mist]

Dunno

[feral maple]

i like it

[sturdy mist]

I can barely stand factorio vids anyhow

[feral maple]

i only watch him or antielitz/nefrums

[sturdy mist]

I don't like processing things at video speed

[feral maple]

i still yet to watch the 14h speedrun of SA 😄

well not watch but skip through it

[sturdy mist]

Speed is my primary problem. I have audio processing issues anyhow so if I watch at 1x I can understand, 2x not really unless I'm focused. But the information is coming in way too slow

[feral maple]

wdym

[sturdy mist]

Filler words that don't elucidate concepts for me.

Prolly it's necessary for the video's intended audience

I need a technical brief

Gimme one logic diagram and I'll have it in 20s, an hour 12 is preposterous

There's no shot his big brain is more than 120 seconds of processing for me

[feral maple]

ofc maestro

i think he zooms out somewhere

[sturdy mist]

Oh I understand why it's all factorio vids now

They're explaining the concepts

I don't want that

[feral maple]

they milkin the expansion

[sturdy mist]

"here's how it works, and here's why it works, and here's...." Just the map plz and thank you

If you found a neat trick I'll be impressed

[feral maple]

here its zoomed out

he hardcoded the ids tho

[sturdy mist]

My brothre in christ

Have you heard the good word of the each each

[feral maple]

maybe it had a purpose

bcs im sure he does

[sturdy mist]

The wiring is fucked up or I don't have enough pixels

[feral maple]

😭 no idea

[sturdy mist]

Oh my god no, he's barely doing anything there

That's just a bit of destination encoding

Oh I guess it's two banks, but that's still so many combos per train

||tracking trains is the hella wrong approach, oops|||

[feral maple]

🙂

[sturdy mist]

I wonder if he misunderstood how trains work (probably on this count), didn't see how to use that, or just flat out concepted it wrong

[feral maple]

he didnt have trains tho

he used remote hauler cars

[sturdy mist]

Meh, okay, I'm still doing XY with a lot fewer than that

<<16 yo

[feral maple]

?

[sturdy mist]

bsl 16

iykyk

[feral maple]

what are u writing bruh

[sturdy mist]

https://www.interviewcake.com/concept/java/bit-shift

[feral maple]

ah....

yh im going to sleep

[sturdy mist]

cyaaa

[feral maple]

yh ik what that is

[frail ledge]

im gonna go get it damn it!

[boreal oyster]

You actually made a multiplexer? Dayum alr

[boreal oyster]

What abt trains

[sturdy mist]

I couldn't figure out how to encode enough information on the wire. I did global clonal min but if I'm trying to pulse two XY destination coordinates in the same tick on the same wire... welp

[boreal oyster]

Isnt a multiplexer legit just the selector combinator or do i have the wrong definition?

[frail ledge]

Ummmm

[boreal oyster]

Eventually fr

[boreal oyster]

Have you decided on your first planet?

[sturdy mist]

It's effectively this. Each station gets it's own unique i

I did a bunch of them, that one is #8

[boreal oyster]

Huh alr

I just wokeup so im a bit frazzled ofc

[frail ledge]

Possiblity volcanus

[sturdy mist]

Yeh, s'all good. when you're ready for it, it's a fun concept

I'mma jet soon tho

[boreal oyster]

Nauvis is also a good planet ig?

[boreal oyster]

What

[sturdy mist]

it's like midnight already

[boreal oyster]

Yeah foundries will 100% help

[frail ledge]

Achievement tho

[boreal oyster]

Gn bro sleep well, let your sleep schedule be normal

[sturdy mist]

Oh this is also cool

[boreal oyster]

Ok makes 0 sense to me but cool

[sturdy mist]

If signal is on red wire AND green wire, output only red wire value

[boreal oyster]

Why isnt there yellow sci tho

[sturdy mist]

B/c yellow sci isn't on the green wire

[boreal oyster]

Oh

Dayum okay thats cool

[boreal oyster]

Wdym achievement mb

Oh btw @sturdy mist im still stuck on fulgora for the 3rd day so far lol

Need to make a working space ship and im almost done

[sturdy mist]

Did you softlock yourself?

[boreal oyster]

Nah, cant do that

[sturdy mist]

Oh nice

[boreal oyster]

But my old ship is destroyed

[sturdy mist]

LMAO

[boreal oyster]

So im making a new one out of fulgora resources lol

Luckily its the best planet for that

Rn its just an ammo factory for the asteroids lol

[frail ledge]

There is an achievement for another planets science before

only 300k till trains and 575k till auto trains

lol

[frail ledge]

this one

[boreal oyster]

OHHH, yeah volcanus is a good choice cuz you dont need trains there

||elevated rails are purple sci||

[frail ledge]

production about to just yeet

didnt walk speed use to be 110%?

lmao what is going on

[sturdy mist]

Btw I'mma head to bed so I'll drop as short an explanation on you as I can about what's goin on with this circuit.

So the idea is that I want to be able to have as many providers and requesters of each type as I want, and I want to be able to find which of them is geologically closest. So what I've decided to do is to have requests broadcast their X-Y coordinates. If I want to get 8 copper requests and 5 iron requests and 2 steel requests, with the XY location of each, that's very hard to do.

So I multiplex over the maximum number of stations for a given type. If there's a maximum of 18 iron providers and 15 copper requesters, I multiplex both of those separately, that's why 2 wires. It finds the highest on each wire so everything lower has a slot reserved.

Each 0 tick, a new station will let the central computer know it exists, and bump the count, as well as grabbing current maximum from the central computer and adding 1 to it, and storing it as a GUID. It's as generic as you can hope for. Each new station gets a +1 and it handles every signal in the game including the quality permutations.

if copper requester 12 is ready to request, when info=12, it broadcasts its Xy coordinates.

[boreal oyster]

huh thats actually sick asf

[boreal oyster]

@frail ledge do you have some free time rn?

i need a lil bit of help

[frail ledge]

I wish I could have stayed awake what did you need

[boreal oyster]

nah its alr sleep is important

i got @uneven fiber to help out

basically had bugs infestation on main base while im stranded

[frail ledge]

Yeah, but so is factory building

[boreal oyster]

lmao flamers arent part of the factory but part of the defence

i got big biters now

[frail ledge]

Are you eu?

[frail ledge]

Uh oh

[boreal oyster]

im russian yeah but i live in thailand

[frail ledge]

Ah still a few hours difference

[boreal oyster]

cant wait to finally have a "space hauler"

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh

6pm rn

[frail ledge]

Exactly 12 hr difference

[frail ledge]

The platform?

[boreal oyster]

"a few hours diference"

[frail ledge]

xD

[boreal oyster]

a ship that moves stuff from fulgora back to nauvis orbit

[frail ledge]

O.o

[boreal oyster]

yeah

for the fulgora science and hollium or whatever the purple plates are

[feral maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogSIQSvhumY

dont tell devs

ima clone legendary buildings

[boreal oyster]

bro this dude is a fucking genius wtf

💀

[feral maple]

yes

omw to clone some buildings

legally ofc

[sturdy mist]

That audio is awful

[boreal oyster]

geniuses dont have good mics fr

hmmm should i do the glitch?

fuck no

[sturdy mist]

Turn down the background volume tho

Oh that's a funny glitch, that shouldn't have happened I wouldn't think

[boreal oyster]

basically you are making a "if the created item isnt x quality dont craft it" cuz i think the stuff in the "crafting %" isnt actually used up till it makes the thing

and when you decon the building it basically drops the craft and you dont lose mats on the non good quality shi

thats why im saying this dude is a genius

[sturdy mist]

Yeah it's sick, Idk how they're gonna close that

It's awful to use

[boreal oyster]

one way is to check crafting progress and if its 100% when you break a building it gives the craft

[sturdy mist]

Impact is low at least

[sturdy mist]

Solved

[boreal oyster]

so instead of giving the resources back it just makes the shitty quality building

ez

idk how to make a ticket and its a funny glitch ig

[feral maple]

dont make ticket 😄

im sure someone did already when the video is out

BUT i need to autoamte it somhwo

[sturdy mist]

Recursive blueprints

It's low impact because you can't automate it

You can clone purpz but you ain't building a megafactory that way

Autohotkey lmfao.

[feral maple]

😄

[frail ledge]

What is that video lol

[feral maple]

free quality stuff

[frail ledge]

I have to do a few dungeons in WoW today, but if it don't rain im getting my trains

[boreal oyster]

Goodnight people if the internet

[frail ledge]

night night 🙂

[feral maple]

holy i just went through some chanells and ill need to bleach my eyes

[frail ledge]

ruh roh

[feral maple]

so many unholy builds and questions

[sturdy mist]

Mfers really be out here like "no, I don't want to use all of factorio's epic train systems, I want pull trains"

[feral maple]

u was fighting for your life in #quick-questions

[frail ledge]

I cooked up a power blueprint in Test world and tested it against its full potential

[feral maple]

ok i may have started too big

[boreal oyster]

bro what the fuck 💀

also prod in chem plants are you insane?

[boreal oyster]

space ship

[feral maple]

why?

[boreal oyster]

power

[feral maple]

ok?

this one is going to have nuclear

[boreal oyster]

💀 DAYUM bro is rich

[feral maple]

well u kinda need it for aquilo

when there is like no solar almost

[feral maple]

not symmetric

[boreal oyster]

😢

[boreal oyster]

got me to base tho

[feral maple]

so many belts tho

[boreal oyster]

this isnt many belts bro 😭

its like 200

gn ppl of the internet

[frail ledge]

gn 🙂

[feral maple]

i mean different

i had 1 sushi belt

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1302676889353195540/2024-11-03_11-52-12.mp4?ex=6728fbe4&is=6727aa64&hm=2679b5134f6ef6723f09f5cac5869347ed096d3d8031de0becb121d9887a86a1& New minimum viable interrupts build, who dis?

[feral maple]

what

[sturdy mist]

If you don't give parameters a symbol they act as a literal

[feral maple]

yes

[sturdy mist]

Calling item param with an empty cargo = literal

[boreal oyster]

im making a spreadsheet for fulgora

gotta have info on whats excess and such

[feral maple]

bruh

all that or you can just void overflow

[boreal oyster]

thats boring

gotta know what exactly is in excess and send it to your main base

[feral maple]

well then id use factory planner

[boreal oyster]

🤷‍♂️

[feral maple]

not manually typing it

[boreal oyster]

didnt work for me so im making a spreadsheet

[feral maple]

[frail ledge]

That looks complicated. I'm going to just use a circuit

[boreal oyster]

in doing it cuz i find it interesting

my old system worked fine

kirk calc works with it

basically “i want x spm” make it so you only recycle x scrap told needed and then the rest is a belt issue but voiding excess is needed fr

[frail ledge]

I'm thinking about setting up space science then going for military science, then hitting Volcanus now

Because, biters exist

[boreal oyster]

lmao

[frail ledge]

While going to another planet will research still happen?

[boreal oyster]

yeah

goodnigbr people of the internet

[frail ledge]

👋

[feral maple]

peepoRain

[feral maple]

@sturdy mist can radars send signals across surfaces and on ships?

[sturdy mist]

I don't think so

[feral maple]

😦

[uneven fiber]

or box it!

[boreal oyster]

i am collecting a group of high level engineers LMFAO 😭

we got Creep GGs Ichy valoneu and most importantly Posture check 🔥

[uncut yew]

What does this even do?

[uncut yew]

Idk about most importantly

Also, have we totally hijacked the original purpose of this gameplay showcase to just hangout in?

Because this is the most commented showcase that's happened, recently or maybe even ever 💀

[boreal oyster]

optimal science and uhh excess mats

stuff kirkcalc cant do

[boreal oyster]

LMAO yeah maybe a bit 😭

should probably jsut make a GC

[uncut yew]

Yeah possibly xD

[boreal oyster]

"we shall wait till the mods say "nah you shouldnt be doing this""

[uncut yew]

[frail ledge]

Gameplay showcase, thread about the base. It's the same thing isn't it?

[feral maple]

my space thus storage is limited

[feral maple]

leveled up to pink 😄

only for a month tho xd

[feral maple]

does it matter?

its our server inside another server

[uncut yew]

Lmao, very true

It doesn't matter really - I don't wanna seem like the fun police

[frail ledge]

Mine is up in the 400's already too lol

[feral maple]

yours is part 2

[frail ledge]

What is this missing

[feral maple]

whats its for

[frail ledge]

Builder train for mining smelting outposts because I'm not doing a centralized smelter anymore

[feral maple]

no idea if anything is missing

[feral maple]

#579345487837003836 message we need to uncover that sercret ship @sturdy mist

that shit is insane

[frail ledge]

Jeeezus

[feral maple]

i need to find out how he managed to put 600 thrusters there

[sturdy mist]

@boreal oyster OKay so your bullshit is less bullshit now because of new curves and signal placements allowing 1-1s a pre- and post stacker

You can get some hot swaps goin

[feral maple]

dam

why not full prod tho

[sturdy mist]

I want high consumption rates it's not for a real build, I'm actually testing something sage came up with

Push full blind delivery

It's... we'll see

[feral maple]

have u seen the gif i sent? (link)

[feral maple]

OH right

they even added priority

i forgor

[sturdy mist]

whar?

[feral maple]

#579345487837003836 message

mby u have some info about how to cook this

[sturdy mist]

lmfao I haven't been to space yet I've been cooking LTN

And trains

[feral maple]

ah....

you are a profesional EE (editor enjoyer)

[sturdy mist]

I forget to touch factorio grass a lot

trains help has been wild too

Sage and I might have fully generic stops cooked

[boreal oyster]

It isnt bullshit to begin with smh
I like how 1-1’s with a stacker is likely better for ups since less inserter tax

[boreal oyster]

GO HAVE FUN WITH THE GAME dont overfocus on trains lol

[sturdy mist]

lmao fr I should but also I'm having fun

[sturdy mist]

The thing is that you don't find wizard bullshit outside the editor for the most part

It's not quite fully functional but I have a constant-combo driven fully generic w/ multi item

Something's getting weirdly hung up but it's half working

Yeah that's not quite it..... dang it's very close though. The concept is there, you can do pairing

I have the madzuri fucked up too

[boreal oyster]

wait the multi item bs you were refering to?

or you just did that to do that lol

[sturdy mist]

Yeah like, I might actually use something like this||I won't but it's closer lol||

The drops are named "Drop" and when they need the resource on the constant, and there's a provider for that resource, and it's that resource's turn, it gets a drop

[boreal oyster]

oh damn thats nice

ayo you can use radar to send signals now?

thats cool asf

Nice

[boreal oyster]

removes the powerline stuff also so thats cool

[sturdy mist]

Yeah or at least gives it another role. You may still want more semi-longrange channels

[feral maple]

you should so u cant say that u dont want spoilers 🙂

[sturdy mist]

That's my problem now

[feral maple]

what is

[sturdy mist]

Spoilers

I have a vague idea of what's coming but what I know of it still has many unanswered questions

It's funny though b/c there are a lot of times when someone asks a question and I go "lol I don't even know what you're trying to do, I don't know what the right answer is, but that answer is wrong"

50% the question is wrong lmao

[boreal oyster]

thats funny

game so ez that even someone who hasnt played the new stuff knows whats right mostly

W solar designs?

[sturdy mist]

It's more that it's an expansion, not a new game, and they're getting fundamentals I do know wrong lol. Just wrong approach to that style of factorio problems.

[boreal oyster]

ah true

@sturdy mist i just figured out how to do advanced oil cracking without tanks

reading the refineries ingredients like what it has

[sturdy mist]

Sick

It's kinda too bad we can't do unregulated anymore

I used to use pipe pressure to my advantage.

[boreal oyster]

Real

😢

now to regulate or to do it with ratios

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1288595539402686617/image.png?ex=672c77dd&is=672b265d&hm=fb68673c6a34ad6bb01a0d4aaf364c265e4989e1e662cccd6e93b9f533ee15b5&

Even with ratios you might be semi-fucked, I have to mess with it

I don't have a lot of hope though

But yeah used to be, the lube machines had heavy oil b/c of pressure. I didn't have to regulate, it was fine.

[boreal oyster]

F

[sturdy mist]

There was heavy oil in that end of the pipes lol

[boreal oyster]

have to redo a ton of wagonlocked

esp cuz the new buildings are bigger than 3x3

tada

[sturdy mist]

Shit that actually happened

[boreal oyster]

hmm

brain fart smh

[sturdy mist]

I was so confused

"Did they just ask for a division that does division, or am I forgetting how to english"

[boreal oyster]

😭

[feral maple]

you can also have sushi input and sushi output pipes for refinery so u need only 2 pipes

[boreal oyster]

only 2 pipes? nah 1

[sturdy mist]

1's not impossible but don't try

The technical isn't that hard, the concept is

Also it's probably exceptionally bad lol, 1 does limit where 2 doesn't

[feral maple]

that would be too cancer

[frail ledge]

🤔

[feral maple]

o saw it on reddit its actually viable in midgame too

[frail ledge]

I wonder what shenanigans I can try and pull off with blue science. The amount of red chips and engines required for this mess is going to be nuts

Just to put that in perspective, I had a pre-advanced oil build that required almost a 100k pet gas per minute

[sturdy mist]

The ratio is close enough to 1:1:1 you might as well DI it, though at your scale that slight ratio mismatch matters more

[frail ledge]

The engines red chips and sulfur?

[sturdy mist]

Engines and RC are close to 1:1:1, and it's 1 sulfur machine for a lot more than 12 blue sci machines

[frail ledge]

[sturdy mist]

Fewer inserters and belts overall. Significantly fewer

For things that are actually 1:1, removing the belt is halving inserter count

[feral maple]

@frail ledge waiting for science?

[frail ledge]

no waiting till after dinner haha

[feral maple]

😄

[frail ledge]

@sturdy mist thoughts?

[boreal oyster]

Yoooooo nice DI work

[frail ledge]

I'm gonna go make some art 🙂

undergrounds would make this build way to damn costly

[frail ledge]

lmao, there is prolly an easier way

[boreal oyster]

Yeah, main bus

But as ingredients for the sci

[frail ledge]

hmmmm

you think Main bus with waterfall would do the trick here?

[boreal oyster]

yeah smth like that

[frail ledge]

attempting shenaniganry here

[boreal oyster]

i mean the under ground belts seem pretty pointless

can just do bus tech

give some space between the belts tho for bus tech

[frail ledge]

ye

sec

[frail ledge]

this is so sus

[boreal oyster]

lol THE BUSSSSS

it looks cool tho right?

more expensive belts wise tho ig

you can do 1 belt of each its fine

[frail ledge]

out here testing lol

[frail ledge]

x1k tho.....

[boreal oyster]

oh yeah lol

[frail ledge]

big OOOOF

[boreal oyster]

might wanna account for thediferent ratios of items needed IN the bus so you dont waste belts

[boreal oyster]

sooo uch for so little

[frail ledge]

I think my problem with this is how the hell do you build an 8 lane train stack

exhibit A

[boreal oyster]

with super powers

[frail ledge]

this was the old bases

brought in the 3 different crafts

I wish this fucking blueprint didn't die It's code name was Galaga

[boreal oyster]

DAYUM thats a big bp

sulfuric acid

[frail ledge]

5k/m w/o beacons

[boreal oyster]

oh dayum wtf

[frail ledge]

That's why it was code named Galaga

That and trying to learn to train onsite smelting and moving plate not ore is complicated right now

[sturdy mist]

An I/O Halfbelt for sulfur/blue sci itself allows one side to be short inserters instead of long

Not sure if that's even better but it's an option

[frail ledge]

I saw that in your print, I kinda wanted to see if I could make the insertion of sulfur in and the chem science out

[sturdy mist]

Yeah you can for sure. You get longer builds, that's why it's not clear to me which is better

[frail ledge]

Ah

[sturdy mist]

Longer is good in your case I think?

[frail ledge]

I'm trying to figure out something for bigger spm

[boreal oyster]

ichy

[sturdy mist]

The UPS is better from halfbelting but it's not going to be huge

suh

[boreal oyster]

you cant send signals with radars to space 😢

[sturdy mist]

ya

[boreal oyster]

SO SAD

[sturdy mist]

git gud?

I don't need a ton of blue chips for first launch do i?

[boreal oyster]

50

[sturdy mist]

Like after that too

[boreal oyster]

its always gon be 50 per rocket lol

[sturdy mist]

Got it

[boreal oyster]

im not gonna make a "telecomunications chest" to tell my base to get x and y

[sturdy mist]

That's not bad

[frail ledge]

Yeah I think if I run into that ups issue we may have a different problem. Would it be easier to not train that

[boreal oyster]

yeah rlly cheap

[frail ledge]

Trying to see how I can make a bigger spm with it is what's breaking my brain

[sturdy mist]

You can effectively do some communication to ship and back but also most problems probably don't require this. I'll get launched today

[boreal oyster]

AINT no way im 40W of power consumption

[boreal oyster]

yeah i dont rlly need it but its good to have yaknow?

best of luck launching to space

[frail ledge]

[boreal oyster]

lol

[boreal oyster]

hows the 1 million science coming along?

mmmm missing solar

[frail ledge]

Haven't gotten a blueprint ready for chem yet

[boreal oyster]

get on with it smh

[frail ledge]

Trying to decide size on this chem build

After that sure lol

[boreal oyster]

lmao

[boreal oyster]

A match the sci you already have B do 2x it

C do even bigger

Biters

[frail ledge]

So 3600 ☠️

You realize how big that mfer would be

This is 360

[boreal oyster]

Ah fuck yeah thats true

but dont you need high spm?

[frail ledge]

Yeah

[boreal oyster]

cant hold off till purple sci?

[frail ledge]

My red green are 3600

[frail ledge]

Going to space for the achievement first

[boreal oyster]

ah damn

ig you have to do rlly big blue sci, maybe quality and t2 modules might help make it smaller?

[frail ledge]

Wanted to try and get as many achievements as I could with this world too

[boreal oyster]

2 /3 of the planets give you rlly powerful structures aswell and dont require research

[frail ledge]

[boreal oyster]

1/3 of em is good for belts 💯

[frail ledge]

[sturdy mist]

lol "half the inserters you say"

Suddenly DI is appealing XD

Love to see it

In practice you can also ctrl-click a row if you need a handful of red chips or engines still, I've done that a few times. I only needed a handful for bots, a car, stuff like that

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No kidding

Would you on site the pipe gears?

[sturdy mist]

Probably

I normally do but it's always hard to say at scale

[frail ledge]

I contemplated making it slightly lager and adding assemblers like I did the wire

1:6 is the cable to red chip

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, wires is good to do down there for sure. Pipes is neutral and gears you belt more iron in.

But it's also fine either way? I guess min build is pipes wherever, wires local, gears distributed