3KSPM Wagonlocked Spage

[feral maple]

yes but less then 12

[boreal oyster]

true

[sturdy mist]

I like that it's encouraging people to play in an already valid space more

[feral maple]

alr hand crafting is done i can go build

[sturdy mist]

Like 98% of people pick a beacon count and then spend their time justifying it lol

[boreal oyster]

handcrafting allat is wild

[feral maple]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

AKSULY 12 BEACON IS BEST

[boreal oyster]

im not justifying the 7:8:12 lds stuff

its sad

[sturdy mist]

lmao it's fun to see when someone clearly hasn't played certain types of factorio

[feral maple]

YO whats the new pause keybind

[sturdy mist]

That's the fun part for me, "Hey so here's why I picked 6-8 on my LDS build"

[feral maple]

ah

...

[boreal oyster]

lol

[feral maple]

little spoiler but isnt this good af?

basically free?

[sturdy mist]

       The same logic now also applies to fluid storage tanks reading their contents and pumpjacks reading their expected resource yield.``` wow this "bug" is ancient

[feral maple]

[boreal oyster]

huh

[sturdy mist]

Yeah a few years ago I did some fuckery with partial fills on fluids and it was wonky AF because of that

[boreal oyster]

i like this game cuz this works and is funny

is it good?

no

it doesnt work

[feral maple]

no

nuke it

[boreal oyster]

not regretting desert world yet

[feral maple]

i had 0 attacks

😄

[boreal oyster]

and my power is out lol

[boreal oyster]

mine is less

[sturdy mist]

If you guys are doing spage I might have to dip

[boreal oyster]

im doing 2.0

too broke for spage

yay

[sturdy mist]

lol

Hmm I guess I'll do biterless. I'm too focused on signalless, going to set up the vanilla railbase again with the improvements

[boreal oyster]

🔥

biterless is based

i just like the challenge fr (default settings except more ore for me)

[sturdy mist]

Once I did a 200% deathworld I finally understood the point of the bitters

[boreal oyster]

lmao

not even 600? damnnn

[sturdy mist]

I did a 600-600% and didn't even fight a biter

600% starting area is basically "Can you go down the efficient route?"

[boreal oyster]

what

ok dayum i dont know the game much lol

[sturdy mist]

Yeah 600% starting area is too much, you can launch without triggering pollution attacks lol

[boreal oyster]

almost there

45 mins and all i gotta do is research 2 techs and make engines

[sturdy mist]

Noice

But yeah biters should be a real threat to your existence, to the point you care about your pollution output

[boreal oyster]

if im doing wagonlocked everything gotta do this achievement while i do it 💯

[sturdy mist]

If they aren't a threat that makes you consider pollution, they're too low

[boreal oyster]

ah true, atm i dont rlly gaf 😭

[boreal oyster]

default settings too low kek

[sturdy mist]

Default settings are for new players 😉

[boreal oyster]

shi

[feral maple]

i have default

xd

rn

[boreal oyster]

am i a new player?

[sturdy mist]

Eh, it might be different in spage, but I doubt it. They're not giving you trouble, so no

[boreal oyster]

in 2.0 nothing changed abt biters tbh

[feral maple]

i dont have enough prod yet for pollution to spread xd

[boreal oyster]

except the achievment "pest control" fr

[sturdy mist]

Default biters can give new players trouble. But if you want to actually deal with biters and have them add something to the game, they have to be a serious opponent rather than a nuisance

If you don't have a real chance of losing they aren't helping

[boreal oyster]

just looks dif

this might take a while

100 minutes actually

damn i need more labs

[sturdy mist]

duh lol

[feral maple]

oh

nice

[boreal oyster]

lol

makes it 50 mins

[feral maple]

holy shit

[boreal oyster]

wtf

[boreal oyster]

3 labs def enough 💯

[sturdy mist]

bro what are you doin with that not 5:6 ratio

did you ban belts

[boreal oyster]

kinda

im trynna get to trains before doing anything with belts

[sturdy mist]

shrugs

[boreal oyster]

yeah

[feral maple]

finally found it

new dead spawner textures

worms also

they seem to rot over time

[boreal oyster]

might wanna automate automation tbh

[feral maple]

xd

[boreal oyster]

thats cool

[feral maple]

bro i cant wait to cook 1 assembler mall that makes everything

[boreal oyster]

wagonlocked (but makes anything in the world) hmmmm sounds fun

[boreal oyster]

YO THIS IS FREE WHAT

lsgo i can mine buildings faster

[feral maple]

im missing that hover over ghosts build mod

😦

[sturdy mist]

should I tweak size, too? I bumped richness from 100 to 150, frequency from 33 to 25

[boreal oyster]

huh ez way to get spm now

[sturdy mist]

lol nice

official screen now

[feral maple]

cant wait to see 1M there

[boreal oyster]

huh that frequency is pretty low lol reasonable tho

[sturdy mist]

Size, yea or nay?

[boreal oyster]

dont get too ahead of yourself

[feral maple]

id max it

even richness

[boreal oyster]

you couldnt even do 100k smhh

[feral maple]

i did i just didnt build 400 mining stations

xd

[sturdy mist]

100k at 3 ups impresses almost nobody, but yeah

[boreal oyster]

😭

400

[sturdy mist]

It's like playing chess and only caring about queening your pawns. Yep you have 9 queens, but you're checkmated.

3 ups is "You didn't even play the game" lol

Anyone can copy paste a 1k SPM a hundred times. that's not the game

[feral maple]

it impresses the noobs

to see big number

that was my intention xd

[boreal oyster]

W miner

[sturdy mist]

lmfao and it makes experienced players laugh

[boreal oyster]

only half an our to get 300 science packs of red and green + train research

uhoh

[feral maple]

thast 10SPM

[sturdy mist]

idk what's funnier, that you thought it would work, or that you thought it could get built in time

[feral maple]

this shit is crazy tho

u can just put only speed mods after u have it maxed

[sturdy mist]

Or quality.

[feral maple]

ye

[sturdy mist]

There are some major curves to solve for

[feral maple]

curves

[sturdy mist]

Dang, nice start other than desert

[feral maple]

how does engineer make oxidiser from iron ore

[sturdy mist]

No bugs, fuckit

[boreal oyster]

where is copper 🤔

ayo wtf

[sturdy mist]

That's what I'm sayin

[feral maple]

there is the ore view

idk how tho yet

[boreal oyster]

just did some basic maths

im cooked

1/5*3 is 3/5 spm for red

i have less than 1 spm for red kek

[feral maple]

xd

[sturdy mist]

lmao p sick deposit

[boreal oyster]

why aint it purple now

[feral maple]

crazy icon

they cooked

starting price is 1200

not bad

[boreal oyster]

atleast it aint 100 more lol

[sturdy mist]

huh?

[boreal oyster]

it looks purple here

[sturdy mist]

If you don't stop posting Spage content I'm going to have to leave this channel.

[feral maple]

oke, i though that was general knowledge bcs it was leaked for a long time there would be that

[boreal oyster]

not a reason tho smh

[feral maple]

👍

[sturdy mist]

lol yeah, we know you have spage. I'm not impressed by that.

[boreal oyster]

i should probably make a pseudo mall

[feral maple]

i handcrafted a whole base

now u too

[boreal oyster]

im gonna try scale a fuck ton now ig

try reach like 15 spm

[feral maple]

gl

[boreal oyster]

this is cursed

[feral maple]

wtf are u cooking

[boreal oyster]

hmm

LSgO

[feral maple]

i miss bots

[boreal oyster]

almost there

waiting on engines

[feral maple]

:p

[feral maple]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[boreal oyster]

i did it

🥱

game ez

[feral maple]

😄

[boreal oyster]

@sturdy mist i can start wagonlocked now

i got the achievement

[feral maple]

now im going automating green science bruh

[sturdy mist]

lmfao this is so bad

[boreal oyster]

whats the playtime on that world?

[boreal oyster]

this was my setup lmao

it looks so cursed

[feral maple]

2 hours

[boreal oyster]

direct insert spaghetti

[boreal oyster]

i automated green before you 🥱

[sturdy mist]

I'm prolly spending too much time paused and thinking tbh. It's the same thing as always

[boreal oyster]

(im part of the machine)

[feral maple]

im watching school

[sturdy mist]

You're severely overbuilding

[boreal oyster]

might wanna go and just rush fr

[feral maple]

im just getting 1 belt of each bruh

[sturdy mist]

25 mins, I'm about to move into green sci

[boreal oyster]

also i have everything i need to make wagonlocked base

[sturdy mist]

So overbuilt

[boreal oyster]

just gonna automate some stuff

[feral maple]

idc 😄

[boreal oyster]

like maybe a small mall for trains inserters and belts

that was actually pretty fun of a challenge

90 mins to get locomotive

[sturdy mist]

You should. Overbuilding is your biggest error lol

[boreal oyster]

helps that i wasnt rlly waiting on anything at any point and was just rushing a build

[feral maple]

ill have this for blue and space science too

[sturdy mist]

Okay, build it for blue science. Building that before red science means you're that much farther from red at the start

It's a build order thing. Place a couple, research red, then place a couple more and do green.

[boreal oyster]

The real question is if i should break down the whole science setup or not 🤔

[feral maple]

ill do that when ill be getting the timed achievements

[sturdy mist]

Yeah that's a part of minmaxing that'd do you a lot of good. It's like half the game you're ignoring by not playing min side lol

[boreal oyster]

LMAO I GOT 32 spm 😭

[feral maple]

also im doing 60SPM

[sturdy mist]

60 to start is too much

[boreal oyster]

yeah imma just let it be while i do techs and automate a psuedo mall

[feral maple]

i thought they increased cost a little in SA, aparently not and its too easy still

[sturdy mist]

Yeah that's the thing is that you have to build the next science. So the comparison to look at is how long it takes you to research all of those techs, versus how long it takes you to build the next tech

If you finish researching red before you finish building green, you had too much red sci.

[boreal oyster]

im gonna need so much steel ffs

[feral maple]

AAAAA

[boreal oyster]

jinx'd it

[feral maple]

hmm

[boreal oyster]

ayo what

[feral maple]

very nice

[sturdy mist]

lol I saw that in the patch notes, along with the pollution changes

[feral maple]

what pollution changes

[boreal oyster]

yooo thats sick

you can make even more customizable defences

[sturdy mist]

Pollution got nerfed in many ways

So that you're getting attacked by biters makes me laugh even harder

[boreal oyster]

i seem pretty stinky

[sturdy mist]

Shit I forgot to turn pollution off

[feral maple]

that was first 3 biters

[boreal oyster]

lol

[feral maple]

also first time i play with cliffs on to test the new ones

[boreal oyster]

ayo

thats sick

[feral maple]

yes

even machines

[boreal oyster]

just realized

who needs this when you have

[feral maple]

how op are worms tho

ah i have no armor

[boreal oyster]

this

IT WORKS

HOLY SHIT I LOVE THIS GAME

they didnt patch cargo wagon spam

[sturdy mist]

Jouster and I worked out some super compact stuff but there was a problem with fully DI from single chest on RG

You have to make some choices

[boreal oyster]

im not going to use this tech fully

why am i still trying to do full DI

i have belts

eh fuck it

1 cargo wagon for 2 mall assemblers

[feral maple]

I MAY HAVE FCKED UP

[boreal oyster]

whats wrong

[sturdy mist]

Biters got your number?

[feral maple]

i forgor to enabled expansion i think

[sturdy mist]

Ah damn lol

[boreal oyster]

gg

you have to enable it?

[feral maple]

when you select railworld then yets

[boreal oyster]

oh lol

[feral maple]

😦

whatevr iguess

[boreal oyster]

this is cursed

[boreal oyster]

F

[sturdy mist]

lol where did flip go?

[boreal oyster]

rebinded as H

[feral maple]

bruh

[boreal oyster]

just to be safe fr

[feral maple]

what about vertical flip

[boreal oyster]

Y i think

or V

its in settings

[boreal oyster]

just do ctrl f

[feral maple]

bruh my push to talk key

xd

F

[boreal oyster]

change it 🤷‍♂️

[feral maple]

yes

[boreal oyster]

IT WORKS I THINK

yeah its working

got belts being made

and inserters

[feral maple]

take this guys cooking cap

[boreal oyster]

never said im a chef

[sturdy mist]

50 mins

pretty slow tbh

I shouldn't have done green sci at the same time

Penalty wasn't super bad tho b/c it's still very small

[boreal oyster]

that reminds me i can just add red sci and green sci to the “wagon mall” and have the ability to remove all the prev science

need stack size upgrades tho

[sturdy mist]

okay I'm going to sushi science

I don't think I'm going to sushDI blue this time but I'll DI the blue build itself, I think.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930147588160782436/1269234338793263208/image.png?ex=67177897&is=67162717&hm=89c4491a1b866c9ac480d6b544ebe2ce06845b240d95623a17a21678b67ec6ad& oh man 2/7 is not worth

[boreal oyster]

why tho

too many splitters?

[sturdy mist]

Yeah I'm not fucking around with that many splitters this early

It's 30 spm, this doesn't matter. I'm doing 1/4th

[boreal oyster]

this doesnt seem right

not rlly faithful to wagonlocked

[sturdy mist]

shrugs tools are tools, they don't have to be used for every situation.

[boreal oyster]

yeah true

i just wanna stick to wagonlocked as a challenge

[sturdy mist]

Fair, yeah it's an interesting constraint space

[boreal oyster]

ight just cleared up the mines time to palce electric miners and do drill into train fr

[sturdy mist]

lmfao

[boreal oyster]

yeah 😭

wagonlocked 🔥

[sturdy mist]

Gonna have an interesting blue build

[boreal oyster]

i mean i could also do "belt into train"

[sturdy mist]

Oh wait shit this doesn't work as is

[boreal oyster]

in the sense that each wagon has a line of drills

[sturdy mist]

Hmm

[boreal oyster]

yeahhh as interesting as non functional lol

[boreal oyster]

F

[sturdy mist]

I'm trying to save literally two machines here

About to say fuck that

[boreal oyster]

fluid handeling research gives you barrel

and i have t2 assembler

hmmm

[sturdy mist]

lol sick, I do like how they changes some of the progression

omg I mean, I can't recommend actually doing it, but that's one of the few use cases

Instead of piping, fluids just always get an extra asm lol

[boreal oyster]

perfect

[boreal oyster]

oh im not gon do that kek

i misclicked and made this

new rail angles lsgo

im planning on doing 1-2 trains

AYO

this game is sick

there is a drive remotely button? oh shi

@sturdy mist do you mind if i post stuff youve yet to see cuz im ahead

[sturdy mist]

Oh shit drive remotely

Honestly I can only complain about spoilers for so long lol, if it gets bad I'll just shut discord down

I haven't been in main chat all day

[boreal oyster]

ah ight

[boreal oyster]

same

i only popped in twice wasnt spoiled anything tho

[boreal oyster]

That doesnt rlly answer my question lol

i can hold off on posting abt new 2.0 stuff

[sturdy mist]

dw about it too much I guess, I'm a big kid, if I feel like it's too much I'll dip

[boreal oyster]

alr alr

[boreal oyster]

i didnt realize how much mats i need for a train system so now i placed my drills and furnaces back lol

this gon be a bit cursed fr

i think ill do 2 rail lines instead of just one cuz idk how to stop <-this exact emoji with 2 way rails

have to go sleep

goodnight

@sturdy mist have fun with your world

[sturdy mist]

cyaaa

[boreal oyster]

i only added an iron train aswell, still need tons of mats to add steel furnace arrays

also i think i can use the ore trains as plate trains which would be cursed since you need 2 ore trains for 1 plate train

legal tho

[feral maple]

it still going up holy

[feral maple]

we can make hexagons

GN

[sturdy mist]

Hexas are pretty memeworthy

lmao I peeped the train channel and it's already completely... off the rails 😎

[sturdy mist]

Dang nice, I almost finished building blue just when I got it researched

[boreal oyster]

Ig you overbuilt GG

[sturdy mist]

lol 30 spm is a lot, I square

[boreal oyster]

loading in

lsgo

[boreal oyster]

so much orange skittles

x2

• blue ones ofc

uhoh

[sturdy mist]

lol incoming!

[boreal oyster]

yeah engineer incoming

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1274390894329593917/image.png?ex=67186ec2&is=67171d42&hm=f7a55689265fd6df5c9f053342540da5ff081e3da0f646a1aa441233a8f567ba& Okay so topology

Drop off ore, pick up plates. I have a problem.

[boreal oyster]

yeah i might wanna change my topology

[sturdy mist]

lol you're direct to training already?

[boreal oyster]

wym

[boreal oyster]

yeah idgaf tbh, slow asf in early game then its gonna speed up

im thinking of maybe static 2 limits

[sturdy mist]

If you have chests then static 1 is so much. If not then static 2 is enough even at like 5km

[boreal oyster]

fuck chests 💯

[sturdy mist]

The new feature that allows you to basically vanilla LTN, use empty ore trains to pick up plates

[boreal oyster]

huh didnt know that exists

[sturdy mist]

Not sure if it's spage or 2.0 tbh

I think I don't have options

[boreal oyster]

interupts are 2.0 from what ik

well i can legit see interupts rn

(idk wym by basically vanilla ltn)

[sturdy mist]

LTN, like the mod. But vanilla.

[boreal oyster]

ig you need more space there

[boreal oyster]

havent used that mod so idk how it would be done in vanilla so idk the features required ig

[sturdy mist]

Basically it tries to use trains more efficiently. Instead of empty trains having to head back their full distance, they can scoop something else.

[boreal oyster]

ah ight

yeah idk how interupts would make that happen

other than

[sturdy mist]

Like, 4 ore trains show up, 2 ore trains return, 2 of them leave forward with plates instead.

It doesn't actually save traffic. You'll pay back that loop eventually.

[boreal oyster]

"if empty go to any plates" and everything is max train amounts

[boreal oyster]

huh

[sturdy mist]

Effectively, empty trains just find the closest provider with an open limit

[boreal oyster]

🤷‍♂️

[sturdy mist]

It really doesn't matter, you're going to pay the piper on both loops some day

[boreal oyster]

imma basically just do normal furnace arrays coming off the top, but like wagonlocked ofc

[boreal oyster]

yeah fr

what is "mining speed" like 1 ore per 0.5s?

[sturdy mist]

It's the same work formula I think

[boreal oyster]

alr alr

so i basically only have enough for 1 furnace per wagon lol

2*

[sturdy mist]

lmao sounds about right tbh

[boreal oyster]

or one

W

[sturdy mist]

That's legal I guess

If it weren't for prod, and efurnaces being 3x3

[boreal oyster]

yeah i mean im probably gonna deconstruct this when i have efurnaces lol

cuz id also have mining prod

[sturdy mist]

Honestly at this point, if you're going out to belt, that's cool, but you could very well just out back to train

"oh no it's only half full!" so what lol

[boreal oyster]

ah true

who cares if its half full 💯

[sturdy mist]

Yeah at this point, that's not a big deal

[boreal oyster]

so compact 💯

i love the curve rail spam lmao

[sturdy mist]

I mean back into the ore train

Remove the belts and the third stop

[boreal oyster]

yeah

gimme a sec

this scheduling is gon be cursed ( i havent setup the plate requesting stuff)

[sturdy mist]

lol ayyy

[feral maple]

xd ill look too

cant find it

[boreal oyster]

the one cursed thing is im not using chests so i cant do "1 train supplies everything" so i need like a train per furnace on the line TM

so imma just say fuck it and do furnace arrays for half a belt

[sturdy mist]

Yeah it's not a nontrivial problem to solve

[boreal oyster]

making it so i need multiple ore trains for 1 plate train

[sturdy mist]

I've told you the solution before but you forgot b/c you didn't understand it 😛

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1271517158978879631/image.png?ex=67188662&is=671734e2&hm=272f86e10832327bf7b96544967a658f9f08d1b23fc63b743ef7bb7c7db9fd08& I think it's b/c of how I describe stuff, tools in the toolbox kind of thing, "This is how to look at this thing"

Fully static limit, no buffer chests. But the way I've tried to explain it to you I don't think clicked b/c it doesn't seem related until you get it

[boreal oyster]

yeah fuck drills into trains imma just add belts then inserters 😭

adds a swing tax but like its 2.0 and early game

[feral maple]

now u can have ore trains that do all ores

[boreal oyster]

🔥 totally

i might need to filter these cuz i got deadlocked cuz of em

ayy coal time

[boreal oyster]

lsgo

ayy lsgo @sturdy mist first coal train

will be 11/s or plates per side (still needa change it into red belts)

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1298284267603890176/image.png?ex=671900f2&is=6717af72&hm=cb0e03257d2e3621bda77786a7f53d46ca52af9320f65cba053904c3d7f2f5f4& So I guess this exists now

[boreal oyster]

bro wtf is that

[sturdy mist]

1-spaced two way, to bidi

[boreal oyster]

OH YEAH

shifting the alignment of a rail can be smaller now

L is new R is old i think

holy shit

[sturdy mist]

Not really, you can't replicate old jogs

[boreal oyster]

ICHY

I FOUND SMTH COOl

[sturdy mist]

o?

[boreal oyster]

do ctrl F while in map

you can find where you crafting science

like instantly

[sturdy mist]

nb

[boreal oyster]

also tells you about ore veins

like thats cool asf

[sturdy mist]

fsho

[boreal oyster]

ah true

[sturdy mist]

That'll probably save me a significant amount of time if I get to 30km again

[boreal oyster]

should i load my old world and see how broken it is? lol

[sturdy mist]

Part of me wants to break things up into proper subfactories

lol shouldn't be totally borked

[boreal oyster]

boring fr

[boreal oyster]

i probably have like 100k placed rails

20k of them probs just ctrl alt del'd

[boreal oyster]

the line TM is better

lets see

uh oh

oh shit

old rails still work damn

roboports have radars now dayum

anyways imma leave that world now

too many spoilers fr

[sturdy mist]

Hmm, new rails don't help the trivial intersections much

Changes literally nothing for me

Elevateds wouldn't actually change much either for me, I could save a little bit of track but I can avoid crossings altogether anyhow so like, meh.

Kinda made the trainyard concept worse, dang.

Idk maybe bidi stackers are better

[boreal oyster]

shiii i forgot bidi stackers existed

i assumed stackers are inherently one directional lol

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1298299426678378536/image.png?ex=67190f10&is=6717bd90&hm=8f114698be7dcce0f89a2fe5e0bda58f8fdbd0e25bdd1fe1b2250f42be91e52b& lol yeah, it's also the same thing as a passing lane. I think these concepts are generally improved

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1298298377821356093/image.png?ex=67190e16&is=6717bc96&hm=d0561bddb748e7c6966469e1a2a4b1aec8c956ece4e691667ef3329092c9fcec&

[boreal oyster]

huh if you change the name of a station while its being taken by a train the train doesnt leave the station

[sturdy mist]

Yup, only once it leaves

They'll stick around at wrong name stations

[boreal oyster]

glad i caught that

trains sound so dif now dayum

[uncut yew]

man I can't believe I gotta wait another month to play

gonna be the longest month of my life fr

[boreal oyster]

why would you need to wait a whole month?

ayyy copper and iron done now to upgrade to red belt after making new mall TM

[feral maple]

where is train channel

[feral maple]

why bruh

[uncut yew]

Gotta focus on my driving theory

Promised the Mrs I wouldn't buy it

[uncut yew]

I've fucked off my promise 🙂

[feral maple]

ah

progress day2 tomorrow is the big bot revolution

played like 30 minutes

xd

[boreal oyster]

nice

😭

overbuilt fr

so far i havent been run over by trains so im GAMING

[boreal oyster]

wym driving theory like the exam?

[boreal oyster]

😭

[boreal oyster]

yeah i might need a steel, furnace array

a steel train would be cool but also rlly dumb

[uncut yew]

Don't be sad, I caved last night and bought it anyway

fuck my promise

the factory must grow

[uncut yew]

Yeah, in the UK you have to do a driving theory test, so you can prove you understand the rules of the road

[uncut yew]

not bad for 30 minutes, bet I'm gonna be well slow compared to you boys

[boreal oyster]

bro im 6 hrs in and only have steel automated

[boreal oyster]

im not sad lol its just funny

[boreal oyster]

ah ight, there is a similar thing here in thailand i just didnt do it yet lol

[uncut yew]

❤️ it's not about the time it takes it's about the journey

[boreal oyster]

smhhhh
struggle over the easy route 🤷‍♂️

[uncut yew]

Yeah that's fair, I've put it off for ages, I'm 32 so, I could reallllly do with driving

[boreal oyster]

LMAO

im 17 i dont rlly need driving

taxi's work well enough 🤷‍♂️

[uncut yew]

[boreal oyster]

time to automate some mall stuff and get oil cooking

plus imma get this and nades to cook some biters

[uncut yew]

show me a zoomed in view of those rail stations please? they look great

[uncut yew]

Also the crafting time for most of this is so far above 30 minutes xD how are you here at 30 minutes

[feral maple]

i did 30 min today not total

[sturdy mist]

lol dude

Though tbh with the double ended you don't even need the 2nd track

[boreal oyster]

OH YEAH

i can just loop it into itself and go "i hope this doesnt deadlock"

[boreal oyster]

if i do this it wont be BIDI trains sadly

[sturdy mist]

lmfao what are you talking about, just remove the whole thing

Oh okay

[boreal oyster]

the what

[sturdy mist]

You only need 1 track for bidi trains, but you can still do mixes of w/e. Single head bidi track

Idk how you're getting back out of the station without bidi

Or the green track

[boreal oyster]

fuck it single loco trains it is lol

[boreal oyster]

this would help with traffic enough to do so

[boreal oyster]

lol

[sturdy mist]

I've yet to find a better topology

[boreal oyster]

time to change the system (breaking this rail effectively turned off all the trains)

yeah

[sturdy mist]

lol nice

[boreal oyster]

bruh

some of the stuff isnt aligned

[sturdy mist]

F

[boreal oyster]

bruh

[sturdy mist]

how did you manage to get it that wrong

[boreal oyster]

it isnt wrong per say its just diferent

[feral maple]

total is like 3 hours almost

[boreal oyster]

updated base

[sturdy mist]

Are those all inputs?

[boreal oyster]

what

[sturdy mist]

Oh wow it's super mixed lol

[boreal oyster]

😭

yeah a bit mixed

[sturdy mist]

You can mix no problem

But if you want your loops flat you gotta do some funk

[boreal oyster]

true gotta be funky to have flat loops

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1139947575940743228/2023-08-11_13-07-40.mp4?ex=6719c2a9&is=67187129&hm=e350a7d385b2bbed7e8a7e6501348313b4e564a9710df1e2f7b7f0ce6e08e1d9&

[boreal oyster]

huh yeah maybe might wanna do that

id have to restructure a bit ig

[sturdy mist]

lol see, I was pretty sure you didn't understand the topology thing i was going on about the other day

[boreal oyster]

atleast i dont have to remove the actual furnace arrays

[sturdy mist]

You can set things up however, the topology itself is just a minimum expression of rails

[boreal oyster]

mm ight

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1147193436190027846/image.png?ex=6719c0e5&is=67186f65&hm=07831a78e857f10c0ffe7c04b7a39be216aaf6b365a6bdc6a5755f095a708e94&

[boreal oyster]

"does your line TM bend" 😭

[sturdy mist]

If input and output stations are headed in the same direction you have added a twist to your loops.

[boreal oyster]

cuz thats what i have to figure out how to do lol

[boreal oyster]

yeah true but its hard to visualize in a base

[sturdy mist]

That's why I linked you that video lol

That's what it looks like in practice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753031298368536577/1148655383381037188/image.png?ex=6719cc70&is=67187af0&hm=049a68ac9632d8ed9e1f83ce7a05bfe6c62f8725d79b00a0dba2dd775102456d& or this

[boreal oyster]

i cant draw on my pic but like the train selected goes right down then up and to the right

a loop in a loop so its path overalps with itself

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1290136240569454663/image.png?ex=6719af01&is=67185d81&hm=7959f85841b1690fa4624fbc5fc4b7ab6060d0ae3239daecfe86777c0c232ed2& that's the left topology

[boreal oyster]

yeah see thats more understandable just isnt much "how does mixed work"

[sturdy mist]

I wish it were more than "Just have it go the other way and hook up the tracks" but it's not lol

You're using the left topology, flipping one set of stations allows you to use the right topology. Draw the loop out and see how much worse it is on the left

Also this is why I express it as a topology problem, it's equivalent so you can figure stuff out with it that applies.

[boreal oyster]

yeah the paths with the left topology are rlly long while right topology is short

thats one factor with my attempt at 1kspm that would have been present in higher SPMS

but since i was doing 333 spm per wagon essentially i didnt face that issue

[sturdy mist]

Now imagine the not condensed version in an actual factory where it isn't 3 meters of bad, but 300

[boreal oyster]

yeah

[sturdy mist]

The braindead rules are super cake:

1. Pick a direction of materials flow. One line is only empty trains, the other line is only full trains
2. Match direction for stations. Input stations all head in one direction, output stations all head in the other, towards their proper tracks.
3. Connect track and signal.
4. Profit

[boreal oyster]

this train has to go from top to bottom just to get back to where it is

yeah i see the problem 💯

one issue 😭

ig ill swap provider stations instead of requester ones

nvm still same issue

[sturdy mist]

Just move the curves? lol catching it now is better than catching it later

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1269478367502143539/image.png?ex=6719ad5c&is=67185bdc&hm=a86672b48b72aea02e8a2f02c3a817f9164a28a995f2b8208381e7bc6d9af073& Oh nice I found the nested loops screenshot

[boreal oyster]

congrats

what in the fuck

it looks half borken

[sturdy mist]

Yeah the red science line isn't hooked up yet but that's 10k red sci with no loops touching lol

[boreal oyster]

signal less easier this way?

[sturdy mist]

For sure

Signalless is basically trivial that way

[boreal oyster]

pff shoulda done it that way then

subfactory 🔥

[sturdy mist]

Okay but it was here that I realized "wait, why not share"

[boreal oyster]

cuz signalles

[sturdy mist]

What's 3 tracks here actually doing for me

[boreal oyster]

yeah true

upfront cost VS upgrading cost i think

[sturdy mist]

Yeah it's an abuse of trains too lol

[boreal oyster]

wym 😭

i aint see no "train wacker 9000"

[sturdy mist]

This is belts lol

[boreal oyster]

or ym the abuse of train mechanics

[sturdy mist]

Using trains to haul stuff belt distance

[boreal oyster]

oh lmao

hmmm

[sturdy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284840684750241812/1298256454498783232/image.png?ex=67198fcb&is=67183e4b&hm=de41fb7716bb042ee7f740b2b38b208ec262619e54111e5d09e0870b7a762143& Here's the explanatory version with some loops overlaid

Full trains on bottom, inputs up. Empty trains on top, outputs down.

The ore trains don't compete with their plate trains.

[boreal oyster]

yeah gimme a sec ill have a video version of that

[sturdy mist]

I haven't done it yet but I'm sure you could alternate that

up/down/up/down/up/down

There's at least one or two weirds that would need to be handled

Hey make sure to leave yourself stacker space too @boreal oyster lol

[boreal oyster]

im not gonna put stackers on this thing

imma put it on the next stations 😭

too much effort to add stackers atp

[sturdy mist]

No stackers and no chests?

All you need is one inline stacker. It's literally just extra track

[boreal oyster]

i mean stackers would be nice but then i need like +200 million trains lol

and i have steel issues atm

[sturdy mist]

You don't have to fill them either

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1147312546303451239/image.png?ex=67198713&is=67183593&hm=c0acb4714485cfa42445f19c009aa6dbb10ac3f48bcf9e0a307e5fd5a919538a&

In-line single stacker

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1269275014440681555/image.png?ex=671998b9&is=67184739&hm=abd637266c556c44bf73acbddd7e4b2adbc615842e3aed89927eec37cb382de9& Bidi station, input and output stacker.

[boreal oyster]

also i havent rlly planned ahead cuz then i need more space

[sturdy mist]

Yeah it's not much

You have short trains. You just need to be able to hold a train in that track

You probably have the space already

[boreal oyster]

dude i broke the game wtf

[sturdy mist]

Can a train fit there? Cause that looks like in-line stack to me

[boreal oyster]

join a vc rq i just wanna share screen https://discord.com/channels/139677590393716737/892928654630350911

look at the share screen rq

BRUH IT FIXED ITSELF

the train was spamming like "forwards" and stop

then it just fixes itself when it reaches the signal

[sturdy mist]

lmao i was gonna say, that's expected behavior

You put it into a red block

By removing the signal

[boreal oyster]

its weird

it was in the middle of 2 chain signals and spazed out

[sturdy mist]

If you can catch something actually weird on vid, it might be a bug. What you're doing is already edge case

[boreal oyster]

yeah i could load a test world to try replicate it

isnt a game breaking bug tho

[sturdy mist]

Or stop removing signals on red blocks? Are you asking for a crash? Lol

[boreal oyster]

im an expert

at crashes* not trains

[sturdy mist]

lmfaooo

[boreal oyster]

okay i think its better now

[sturdy mist]

Nice, shared flat loops!

[boreal oyster]

and a stacker

time to change more signal stuff WOOO

[boreal oyster]

erm this doesnt seem right 😭

might wanna fix it

[sturdy mist]

lol hey, you're the one who chose an odd train length

That doesn't happen with even train lengths

[boreal oyster]

ah so 1:3 trains are clearly better

[sturdy mist]

Nah, the flip thing is a non-thing

It's aesthetic only

[boreal oyster]

fixed it

[sturdy mist]

You've got a range you can hit to begin with, and adjusting like you did is also nbd

That station could be 2 forward or 2 back and it wouldn't cause massive issues.

[boreal oyster]

now it has stackers

that are doing nothing 🔥

[sturdy mist]

lol one day

[boreal oyster]

nvm they are doing smth and also i might have fucked over my system cuz i flipped the train stations 😭

i just saw a train take the longest route ever 💯

yeah okay i messed up a lil

[sturdy mist]

lmao so your outputs are on the right track, headed down, correct?

Inputs left, empties up?

If you get the directionality wrong it's very bad for the trains.

If a full train needs to head up instead of down, it has a long detour. That should be avoided

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1269275014440681555/image.png?ex=671998b9&is=67184739&hm=abd637266c556c44bf73acbddd7e4b2adbc615842e3aed89927eec37cb382de9& That's also why I had these baked in double U-turns all over the place. Mostly they weren't used, but when they were they saved that turnaround.

that's a bandaid though

[uncut yew]

oh I was gonna say, lmao

[sturdy mist]

They still do the extra dumbloop

[uncut yew]

as soon as I unlock trains/ rail etc I'm going to need to setup a tileable blueprint

[sturdy mist]

lol I've been delaying my decisions on trains, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the build

[uncut yew]

I'm probably just going to keep it simple and scalable like I usually do

I love the idea of big trains

but lots of little trains just does it for me

[sturdy mist]

Hehe, I did a bunch of work on some abstractions that are allowing no-signals so I think I should continue in that vein

[uncut yew]

Yeah man, why change if it's going well and you're invested in it

[sturdy mist]

Right

I think I have the tricks to do mixed train length signalless

And there were some developments in train DI theory I need to acknowledge as well. So I guess I do need a rework

[uncut yew]

You're many layers of complexity beyond my train knowledge

[sturdy mist]

Heh, there are interesting things to be found out in crazytown, but it takes some work to make it out there.

I'll try to keep things simpler for ya but I'm already trying to find "useful simplifications" for people XD

[sturdy mist]

@uncut yew I think I figured out the Braindead Sandwich system finally XD

[boreal oyster]

Yeah

So if i flip this i think itll be fine

I change the direction of the wrong set of stations ig

[sturdy mist]

lol it took me a while to get used to it

I see no reason why you couldn't flip it, either? Do iron feeding one direction and copper feeding the other

Most of the system rules are just to give you an easy space to start so you don't have to think about it

omg pairing wagons quadruples the width of the sandwich!!!!!

[uncut yew]

That does sound pretty neat to be fair

I need to figure out a way to do "simple" rail loops, that basically take from providers, to requesters, with a periodic 'refueler' when needed

I don't know anything about the new train mechanics so that's going to be super fun to mess around with

[sturdy mist]

I haven't dug into the interrupts yet either, I don't know if I'm going to, tbh

[uncut yew]

I'm sure you will at some point, maybe just not for a while

[sturdy mist]

I suppose I'll have to at some point, but they are not worth it to me from a UPS cost

[uncut yew]

There's surely not going to be a significant UPS cost

That would make me very sad

[sturdy mist]

Far, far too high compared to my current refuelling method. They check interrupts after they finish up at every stop, I think

For a normal base that's not so bad

Even 400 trains, whoop de doo. But when you actually care about 0.5ms and have a thousand trains, it's a problem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284840684750241812/1297181402907017310/2024-10-19_08-54-29.mp4?ex=67199b12&is=67184992&hm=cd1bac83b5c6e135337c699dbd9524589871044df97a16aa187de6fea29ebc0a& lmao also I do not want this to be interrupted ***at all. ***

[uncut yew]

how on earth do they not crash

[sturdy mist]

They all start moving at the same time

All paths through the build are the same length, they all spend the same amount of time at station.

[uncut yew]

That's a wild system

[sturdy mist]

I should put my money where my mouth is, shouldn't I

"Acceleration can be mitigated!" WELP I see what I have to do

[boreal oyster]

yeah thats better

now to do it accross everything

[sturdy mist]

If it looks stupid but it double tiles, is it really stupid?

[boreal oyster]

wtf man 😭

double tiling is based 💯

[sturdy mist]

lol it's spot on for wagons. So silly. Yeah I think this is a thing

[boreal oyster]

the this iritates me tho

[boreal oyster]

where is the output tho or does that go on belts

[sturdy mist]

Yeah I need to do actual math, and out to belt

If I can down-beacon the furnaces and gear asm, I can maybe shuffle stuff around and get an extra beacon on the reds

[boreal oyster]

you didnt do the maths before doing it? bruh what

oh god i cant do stackers now

ig i extend the right now

and i have to extend the leftr

[sturdy mist]

I checked the 1.1 numbers and they were so comfortable I figured it was fine

this is "Oh I don't need to pay attention" territory

[boreal oyster]

ohhh yeah factory planner hasnt updated yet?

[sturdy mist]

Oh shit flab has it

[boreal oyster]

i think it has

bro 😭 19%? sooo low

they rlly made the game that easy huh

[sturdy mist]

Here's 2.0 beacon count. When I knew to not worry, it was in large part because down beaconing is more effective in 2.0 than in 1.1 and it was already working in 1.1

1 beacon for gears and copper, 2 for iron. Turns out

YEET

[boreal oyster]

lol

[sturdy mist]

Dude I knew wagonlocked was going to get better but holy shit

[boreal oyster]

i like how peaceful it is tho

so much time to just fuck around

[sturdy mist]

My eyes widened when I saw the pollution changes

It's interesting that's what they chose

[boreal oyster]

honestly cuz im experiencing them rn might be worth to see waht they changed

[sturdy mist]

Any time wube makes decisions like that, I always take a second to see if I can figure out what they were thinking

I think with default biters, it's that they're tuning them for new player intro

The changes that were made were largely pacing

[boreal oyster]

this doesnt give me much info

[sturdy mist]

You can still hit those sliders if you want

It was in the 2.0 patch notes

c-f pollution in the patch notes

[boreal oyster]

trynna find em 😭

ah ight

HMMM this is probably space age stuff

related to pollution

bruh it just barely clips it 😭

[sturdy mist]

Turns out 10 beacon with DI is still hard

[boreal oyster]

😭

i think past 8 beacons DI is hard

[sturdy mist]

Oh I think 10 isn't doable with what I want

Wait no I can shuffle

Not enough

That's WILDIN, is it really 9 beacon cap?!?

[boreal oyster]

ayo this guy just showed up as im finishing up 1 side of the rails

THE SIGNALS WORK LSGO

😭

[sturdy mist]

ayyyy

[boreal oyster]

that feels so good

it works

IT WORKS 🔥

[sturdy mist]

I've seen better, I've seen worse.

[boreal oyster]

you liking the filters?

how doesnt exist fr

[sturdy mist]

Yeah it's kinda nice

[boreal oyster]

did it

now to let it run lol

[boreal oyster]

saves like 2 slots in malls

[sturdy mist]

lol wait a minute... this ain't it

[boreal oyster]

you redesigning your build?

[boreal oyster]

ayyy it works

[sturdy mist]

Yeah, I have other improvements to make so I'm just doing the next iteration

[boreal oyster]

finished up the rails

[boreal oyster]

shiii cant wait to see what you cook up

imma go automate power so i dont have to handfeed it lol

[sturdy mist]

V noice, yeah when you do multi-to-multi that way, it's just stacked loops

[boreal oyster]

fr fr

i gotta add oil to this now then i can make blue science

but first

red and green

[sturdy mist]

I have officially cooked

10 beacon red, full DI, double tiling

[boreal oyster]

thats clean

now add the belts lol

[sturdy mist]

i have belting for days

[boreal oyster]

ah true

1 belt possible lol

1 gap for <9 tiles

[sturdy mist]

Yeah if not for that I'd be boned

[boreal oyster]

lol yeah

[sturdy mist]

Wait no I'd be fine

I have extra beaconage don't I

[boreal oyster]

oh god yeah probably

[sturdy mist]

gulp, no I don't

[boreal oyster]

cars are so powerful

(if you can drive lol)

[sturdy mist]

Yeah I think it's funny that the most OP weapon is given to the player first, but only in the right hands

[boreal oyster]

well taught hands

automated power

imma hand feed the mall rq and go build new science

[sturdy mist]

Oh yeah here we go

[boreal oyster]

YOOO thats so soick

so nice to see it tile fr

btw this exists if it ever annoys you

[sturdy mist]

nice, ty

[boreal oyster]

ayyy

[sturdy mist]

I wonder if I can do it fully with green too. Guess we gon see

Wonder if switchable asms would be good for that

[sturdy mist]

Okay wait this is close

[uncut yew]

That's quite an if

[boreal oyster]

and is it 7 tile tileable? 🤔

nah

[sturdy mist]

yea

If you do 2-gap-2 it's always 7tiling

ik it's within range for paired wagons

[boreal oyster]

ah igh paired wagons i forgot

i just thought of smth cursed with paired wagons

alternating mats on one train

iron wagon then copper wagon

[sturdy mist]

I considered it

It's bad but not that bad

[boreal oyster]

true just seems rlly cursed tbh

[sturdy mist]

It's SUPER cursed b/c like I said, you're either doubling or quadrupling the width of the build

[boreal oyster]

ah igh

[sturdy mist]

And train lengths

I guess you don't have to?

But if you've got say a 4 wagon train, and you switch to a paired design, you have to either find a solution for "every other," or double stop

[boreal oyster]

start of new science settup

[boreal oyster]

yeah okay im out of my depth here lol

[sturdy mist]

If you alternate correctly you can single stop

Easier to see with a wagon in place that it is indeed wagon tiling.

[boreal oyster]

wait that seems wrong

thats mixed wagons

wtf

[sturdy mist]

No, that's why filters

Copper train, iron train

[boreal oyster]

OH you bring in 1 train then it leaves to let the other train in

thats insane wtf

[sturdy mist]

It's real easy is the thing. Design double tiling on one side. Copy, h, paste one wagon down.

[boreal oyster]

that gave me a cursed idea

[sturdy mist]

rc?

can't be, idk what your plan is

[boreal oyster]

2 trains still but only 1 furnace supporting red science

oh this doesnt work cuz there is a buffer amount in furnaces

F

[sturdy mist]

lmfao you can split wagon that but yeah you'd have to circuit regulate

I wouldn't want to do it with prod too. It's probably doable

[boreal oyster]

lol yeah

cursed and pretty pointless

less stations tho

[sturdy mist]

too cursed for me and that's saying something

[boreal oyster]

yeah i got high "cursed level" tolerances

in the sense that i accept too much cursed stuff sometimes

(sushi lds)

[sturdy mist]

Nope, not liking this. Idk if I'mma be able to do this

Most of what's pictured here seems forced?

This is what's forcing my hand

The triangle of 6 cannot change. Which means GC goes exactly there. Woof.

[sturdy mist]

I'm not stoked about training plates.

This shit's taunting me

[boreal oyster]

7 labs should be enough righttt?

if not i can always do this

[sturdy mist]

lol, sure.....?

[boreal oyster]

120spm 😭

im gonna add blue right after and i think i might be able to add yellow science to this aswell

[sturdy mist]

I found a repetition at 3 but I think I need a nap lol

[boreal oyster]

oh god its starting to resembler your blue circuits build

[sturdy mist]

I'd have to remove beacons to multi-stop, which is probably doable

[boreal oyster]

is it a sign to stop? nah

[sturdy mist]

Honestly, I'm not displeased with what I have for the green science itself

Those 7 machines are locked in, I think. The rest is weird.

[boreal oyster]

if it works it works is my motto 😭

[boreal oyster]

60 actually cuz im using t1s

[sturdy mist]

It definitely works, but the 3-repetition is super weird.

Oh that's not beltable either, wat happened to my beltable version

...ah

[boreal oyster]

beltable if you asume "tileable" is for 14 tiles

maybe

nvm

its cuz of this

or the placement of the green science assembler

but as you said its all locked in so idk

i gtg sleep so goodnight have fun

[sturdy mist]

cyaa

[sturdy mist]

I don't love it

It's not good horizontal tiling but I can make the horizontal work, that's slop right now

The thing that's fucking with me is the vertical tiling. 3 is weird but if I'm going to double stop I need to have some room on the tracks anyhow

[feral maple]

u seem to have experimented a lot so how are the new beacons

[sturdy mist]

I like it a lot. Wagonlocked has been seriously powered up

Going from 8 to 10 or 12 beacon is less important, and it's more likely that a 3 beacon intermediate is enough

[feral maple]

nice

[sturdy mist]

Also the game straight up tells you if your DI is going to work or not

[feral maple]

yes

well from this point i cant share any progress with u guys

ill need to cook my own thread again

its so steel heavy bruh

also fck trees i need grenades

[sturdy mist]

I have been more stoked about builds before. But I've also been less stoked

I haven't figured out the double stop copper problem yet

[feral maple]

thats cursed af ngl

[sturdy mist]

It might be cursed but it's 100% DI from ores

[feral maple]

ok not spoiler ||but u cant send every item in the game || thats a new one

[sturdy mist]

If it wasn't for the fact that this build behaves so goddamn good I wouldn't be working in this space still

[feral maple]

it looks so weird tho

[sturdy mist]

I hella wish I could compress it but 3 wagon is fucking weird

I don't want to fuck with actual 3 wagon so I just gapped it to 4

[feral maple]

gaming can start

[sturdy mist]

0 spacing is officially in

[feral maple]

holy

im bussin

always wanted to do that

what about chunk aligning

[sturdy mist]

New curves probably fuck chunks completely, it was barely there beforehand and curves are larger

[feral maple]

well 2x2 or 3x3 it is

[sturdy mist]

that's 40x40

I might be able to scrape a weeeee bit more

[feral maple]

well the bridges are large

i saw some 8 way intersection on reddit tho that had 420TPM

crazy af when the record was 117 before

[sturdy mist]

Here's my new fav aesthetic on 0 spaced

[feral maple]

its like that diamond interchange just on 1 level

no?

[sturdy mist]

Not quite DDI

[feral maple]

i hate the waiting part of the game

[sturdy mist]

There is no waiting phase

[feral maple]

yes there is

im building my mall

and for expanding i need the mall

[sturdy mist]

If you're waiting on something you fucked up already

[feral maple]

i still have only 1 belt of each

last time i had 30x speed 😄

[sturdy mist]

lol you're so modpilled you forgot how to play vanilla

This makes me irrationally happy

[feral maple]

xd

this is cool

but u still cant copy paste the groups.....

so i still need to set every item

atleast u can do trash unrequesd

[sturdy mist]

I think I like this one best

[feral maple]

how do the new request limits work

[sturdy mist]

Idk I haven't looked into it

[feral maple]

oh i think its about quality

[sturdy mist]

Vanilla LTN is super simple tho, once again Wube took the idea of LTN and did it better

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760455214049263646/1298797170291507200/image.png?ex=671ade9f&is=67198d1f&hm=42af74907693e3cd8da705c44ecef749abcea4118c0ad0e7d473c5c59ae57215&

Setup an interrupt for every cargo type, all trains the same

Probably pull full cargo first for UPS reasons but that's minimal

[boreal oyster]

Sigma

[uncut yew]

wow, that is a lot of steel

[boreal oyster]

i angered the biters

[uncut yew]

I love this QoL feature - though it's definitely missing the copy/paste mechanic we have in other areas of the game

[feral maple]

,yes