Overhaul Enthusiast

[stray vault]

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[cold vine]

[prisma escarp]

[quasi egret]

Is centrifuge used?

[sudden zodiac]

[stray vault]

I had the thought but didn’t want to toot my own horn

[daring forge]

[cold vine]

not to my knowledge

[quasi egret]

[terse knot]

unrecognizable at a small scale imo

[sudden zodiac]

enrich your game experience

[terse knot]

reposting my list in here

[daring forge]

'have played everything' signal

[terse knot]

not necessarily true, some people stick to one modpack

[cold vine]

, saying no to what's already there and doing it your own way

[quasi egret]

Could also be read as a dig on where mods belong.

[terse knot]

my two favorites so far are and , because overhauls tend to be more complex and the explosion fits the vibe of "oh god everything is everywhere overwheming" and the brain because of the same complexity making you think about the game a lot more

like to me the main thing about overhauls is that they expand on the vanilla game and have a more complex experience, doesn't necessarily have to be difficult, but complex, introducing new problems and making you overcome them

honestly I'm liking the brain more and more for that

[quasi egret]

Also comes with a side order of “superior yet alien minds”?

[terse knot]

I'm also not the biggest fan of using a vanilla item icon to represent modded as a whole

[stray vault]

So bees it is

[terse knot]

lol

we don't really have any overhaul emotes in the server either, so metaphorical representation it is

[quasi egret]

Aw, but I like repair pack tinkerers.

[cold vine]

well its hard to imagine an unbiased icon that represents modding without favoring a specific mod

[stray vault]

would be funny in the vein of “dear god that’s a lot”

[terse knot]

I wouldn't want to see a reaction emote everywhere tbh

I mean they're already everywhere, just not more everywhere

[sudden zodiac]

i dont think chibis would make sense as a role icon

oh, what about

[smoky oriole]

from py ofc

[cold vine]

hmm the old engine icon might be interesting

[sudden zodiac]

[terse knot]

why is alot even an emote

[terse knot]

yeah no

[sudden zodiac]

[smoky oriole]

that's used already

[sudden zodiac]

wait, is this one already used

[sudden zodiac]

jarg has it, i tihnk

[cold vine]

how many people even have that role? (scripting expert)

[smoky oriole]

not many probably

[terse knot]

there are a few people who have it, there's no "modder" role

[daring forge]

what about

[terse knot]

I guess mod creator but eh

[sudden zodiac]

thats for devs :V

[terse knot]

devs have the gear?

[daring forge]

that's on reddit

[cold vine]

i settled for the beacon, i cannot write the matrix and it looked cool :3

[terse knot]

should still probably not use it for that reason

[daring forge]

welp. right then

[terse knot]

and also because it's a combat oriented and vanilla item

[smoky oriole]

I don't think any vanilla emojis fit because it's vanilla

[terse knot]

agreed

and we're not adding modded icons because that would be biased

[sudden zodiac]

just make an emoji that is the entirety of the mod management gui

[terse knot]

could go with the mod portal gear

the blue and gray one

[smoky oriole]

how about

[sudden zodiac]

blue and grey?

[terse knot]

the one that shows up in the browser tab

[smoky oriole]

oh yeah

this little goober

[sudden zodiac]

ah

i c

[quasi egret]

I like this one.

[smoky oriole]

https://mods.factorio.com/static/favicon.ico

[smoky oriole]

agreed

[terse knot]

even though it's a vanilla icon I don't mind it because it's been so long that it was used

[smoky oriole]

that's vanilla?

damn

[cold vine]

the old icon

[smoky oriole]

makes sense

[terse knot]

could also use the old battery

not the duracell, the white one

[cold vine]

what did that one even look like again?

[smoky oriole]

this is what I find when looking it up

[terse knot]

that's not it

[smoky oriole]

?

[terse knot]

that's the one

[smoky oriole]

I might vaguely remember seeing those

but yeah I think that would be good because no longer used

[terse knot]

they were 0.15 or something

I feel like we're getting further away from the essence of modded though

[cold vine]

0.18.27 ish

[terse knot]

nah it was before the gui remake

[smoky oriole]

I existed 0.17 or so

[cold vine]

true, though i think the old engine's icon can be repurposed since it looks mechanical or something

[smoky oriole]

I do like the old engine more than battery

[terse knot]

that raw feeling of looking at the tech tree and seeing a mountain ahead of you, the base almost forced to be spaghetti from how chaotic the recipe chains are

[daring forge]

or

[quasi egret]

Hard hat?

[terse knot]

I'm still a fan of

[cold vine]

i don't think that's a good fit

[quasi egret]

It amuses me.

[terse knot]

the brain? or boskidthink

[quasi egret]

Puzzle piece, because we can’t find something that fits?

[cold vine]

the brain, but neither thinking ones seem fitting too

[desert kiln]

I’m not, because it is (allegedly) expansion content

The old engine or old battery icons are nice

I use the old battery icon in FF

[stray vault]

I think the best contenders are <complicated thing that exists in vanilla>

[terse knot]

idk, it's been so long since the concept art came out and we haven't seen anything come of it

[cold vine]

not an ideal bet tho

[desert kiln]

Surely everyone still associates it with space age though?

[rugged ferry]

[terse knot]

space age is an overhaul

just an official one

[desert kiln]

And therefore irrelevant for the topic at hand 🙃

[quasi egret]

In which case it would be disqualified for bias?

[desert kiln]

We’re not expecting SA-exclusive players to use this role

[terse knot]

I don't see how that's relevant?

there's talk about using a vanilla item icon, but space age is off limits? especially when the icon in question isn't even taken from the game itself

[smoky oriole]

I think the difference is spage age is new stuff so everyone remembers it while the vanilla items are just old textures no longer used so less association with the game as of now

like I forgot entirely what drills used to look like

[terse knot]

I meant here

[smoky oriole]

yeah I don't agree with that

[quasi egret]

See linked post.

[quasi egret]

And here.

[smoky oriole]

who are you talking to with that?

[terse knot]

you're putting two different points into the same context, it doesn't work that way

[acoustic wadi]

I honestly don't care what the icon is, I just want it to look neat. Which a lot of icons do 🤷

[terse knot]

we're not adding any modded icons into the server because the emote would then be available for regular use, and that isn't great, but space age things are already in the server because they are official so I'm more okay with it

[quasi egret]

Implying Space Age is an issue, though.

[terse knot]

maybe it's because it's been around for so long, but I see the emote as "brain related to factorio" and not "space age specifically brain" cause the concept art is literally the only thing we've seen of the concept and it's kind of a meme at this point

[quasi egret]

Why invite the potential confusion, though?

And we don’t know that it won’t get used.

[desert kiln]

I back the old engine icon

[sudden zodiac]

i too back the old engine icon

[terse knot]

I'm worried it's too similar to the top of the assembler 3

I do like it though

[stray vault]

I think I like that or the kovarex enrichment process icon

[quasi egret]

Kovarex is pretty distinct.

[stray vault]

I feel like the enrichment icon gets more of the “big complicated thing” feeling while still meeting our other criteria

[terse knot]

kovarex enrichment still feels too vanilla to me

[smoky oriole]

Show it?

[sudden zodiac]

[smoky oriole]

I can't remember it, it's been too long since vanilla

[smoky oriole]

Ah yeah I don't like it

[stray vault]

It’s vanilla but something many people avoid for being too complicated (whether accurate or not is another discussion)

[quasi egret]

That would rule out a lot.

[wicked quest]

The mod portal gear would be a perfect fit though. It's where mod enthusiasts get their fix from.

[quasi egret]

The developer icon is a gear. I don’t think it’s a good idea to use any gear icon for non Wube people.

[terse knot]

look at the factorio account role

[smoky oriole]

Trolled

[amber onyx]

portable roboport since it started as a mod :o

[terse knot]

I feel like nobody knows that

[amber onyx]

hehe

I think I like the idea of the rocket control unit since it's being deprecated in the base game

it's pretty distinct and has that fine-tuning look

[small edge]

has anyone suggested something like 🗒️

we do spend a lot of time looking at lists of mods

[terse knot]

no, but the default emotes aren't really cool looking

[smoky oriole]

Agreed

[terse knot]

have we ruled out ?

[smoky oriole]

If you're playing hard enough mods biters are off fr

[amber onyx]

I think it's a bit too close to biter fighter / combat in general in feeling, though I like where you were going with it

overlaying it onto expansion brain might work too but that also folds in more of the other issues

a Factorio-specific 🤯 would be ripe for memery but that's neither here nor there :P

+faq newcar

[lost crane]

Newcar

[quasi egret]

There are people who use mods for hard enough biters.

[amber onyx]

^ Actual old Factorio art, only became a mod to bring it back :p

I don't think I'd want to use it though

We could do a poll with the total number of reactions to each option being the level of enthusiasm for each? (That way there'd be no chance of double-voting (alt accounts notwithstanding. . .), everyone's limited by the reaction slot count)

I like either the RCU or old engine unit, but I worry the engine unit might be too close to the

[quasi egret]

Never seen it.

It’s not in Channels and Roles.

[amber onyx]

it's assigned by the mod portal account integration

[small edge]

Oh

on thst note what if we used the old "damaged lab/reactor/whatever" building for the role?

from the ship crash site

it's a vanilla asset but you'll only see it in mods

[quasi egret]

Also a good idea.

[amber onyx]

if we were calling it Mod Collector, would work 😂

[quasi egret]

Obsolete/unused icons are a good source.

[quasi egret]

I like that one, too.

[smoky oriole]

I say we have enough suggestions to create a poll

[cold vine]

any updates? ☕

[prisma escarp]

Role has been created. Icon bikeshedding may continue

[bleak ore]

bug?

[prisma escarp]

Bug?

[bleak ore]

the icon

[prisma escarp]

Icon bikeshedding may continue

[bleak ore]

huh?

[prisma escarp]

I figured the singularity would be good enough for now

[bleak ore]

i see

was confused because its in the role select channel

[sudden zodiac]

K2 bias detected

[kind meadow]

if the icon is so hard to decide u can also make it a flavor of the month and switch the overhauls it references every so often

[prisma escarp]

We better get someone to make some good IR3 fan art then

[sudden zodiac]

Deadlock will send a dmca if anything remotely related to IR3 is used

[stray vault]

We’re not profiting off of it

[frigid plover]

Might I humbly submit

[sudden zodiac]

[amber onyx]

I see what someone meant about the old crash site lab

[cold vine]

its not even pretty how the shape is cut off

[sudden zodiac]

Fr

[cold vine]

heck the role picker shows the rcu, why not use the same icon in both places

[smoky oriole]

because bikeshedding

1️⃣ RCU: #1275127307907891376 message
2️⃣ Accumulator
3️⃣ Old Battery: #1275127307907891376 message
4️⃣ Old Engine: #1275127307907891376 message
5️⃣ Mod Icon: #1275127307907891376 message
6️⃣ Kovarex
7️⃣ Speed Module: #1275127307907891376 message
8️⃣ Old Lab: #1275127307907891376 message
9️⃣ Everything: #1275127307907891376 message
🔟 Bees: #1275127307907891376 message
0️⃣ The current icon

poll

I would say it doesn't matter if you vote multiple

[quasi egret]

I approve of approval voting.

[rugged ferry]

Overhaul Enthusiast Role Icon

[prisma escarp]

The fact that it uses number emoji for the choices makes the results very hard to parse lol

[quasi egret]

It’s like one of those “what color is this word” and they’re all color names things.

[smoky oriole]

😭

[smoky oriole]

RCU is winning

[prisma escarp]

Maybe that's because the singularity isn't even an option

[smoky oriole]

added

[solar trail]

I would use an item that multiple overhaul mods have a version of

For example iron ingots

Or a science pack from pyanodons or k2

[amber onyx]

tbf it's not just "current icon" it would be cleaned up with transparency around the edge 👀

[smoky oriole]

fixed

[solar trail]

Ultracube?

Ultracube will win for me because it is the central focus of its mod but its graphic is taken from another mod

[smoky oriole]

I think RCU is gonna win no matter what

not my preferred choice

but yk

[solar trail]

I don’t like RCU i hope they don’t do that

[smoky oriole]

I want old engine fr

[solar trail]

I wouldn’t mind that because i think it represents new content interacting with the base game engine

[amber onyx]

the black hole has some nice symbolism about the effect on one's time if one submits to the mod portal on top of the base game content

[solar trail]

Also could go with something iconic

[smoky oriole]

I do think if it got cleaned up it would look really cool

[solar trail]

Bobs has some iconic things like the gray belts

Steam pipes or inserters from IR

There’s the crazy shape tech packs from EI

[smoky oriole]

I like the look of py tech packs a lot

[solar trail]

Yeah

[smoky oriole]

some packs

[solar trail]

Im thinking what if you stack a K2 card, an EI science pack, and a pyanodons tech pack

[amber onyx]

I thought of the gray belts but figured no one would really want that despite the appropriateness in some sense

especially given the other belt balancer one :p

[solar trail]

They are bland

[smoky oriole]

belt expert would be too similar I feel

[amber onyx]

yeah

[smoky oriole]

the black hole seems more and more appealing tbh

[solar trail]

I would be rooting for blending a couple icons together

[amber onyx]

SE definitely has a lot of nice juicy fitting icons but if any one modpack is to be favored I'd want it to be K2, it's a good scale for a first overhaul

[smoky oriole]

role icons are static image?

[amber onyx]

I think the implication is blending in a static form

[solar trail]

Could also pick something non-iconic from pyanodons

So that people go, oh that looks modded

[smoky oriole]

yeah

something like coal gas I would imagine would be good

[solar trail]

Yeah

[solar trail]

What’s the red stuff you get from tar processing

[smoky oriole]

"Middle Oil"

is also good

[solar trail]

Looks like blood

Oh it is blood

[smoky oriole]

that ss is not blood

but middle oil

[solar trail]

Yes

I understand blood is a different thing in pyanodons

[smoky oriole]

just making sure

[solar trail]

Possibly something from planetfall BZ extensions?

[amber onyx]

could also just go with lol

[solar trail]

Or an ore that nobody will recognize

[smoky oriole]

I rather have ong

[solar trail]

Yea

I find RCU to be really not fitting

[smoky oriole]

yeah I don't like

[solar trail]

Without vanilla context it’s an oscilloscope

[terse knot]

the reason we have polls is to gather the opinion of everyone equally, it looks like it's going to be RCU and I'm sorry that it's not your guys' favorite, but if that's what the majority of people say they like then that's what we're going to go with

[smoky oriole]

nah we're just debating

or at least I was

I've already accepted RCU

[terse knot]

debating means it's more than "meh I don't like it"

[amber onyx]

tbf we haven't seen a cleaned up version of the current one and it was a late addition to the poll

[terse knot]

oh well

[smoky oriole]

I mean is it wrong to say opinions?

[terse knot]

no

[amber onyx]

I'm saying that despite RCU being my suggestion lol

[smoky oriole]

I think you misunderstand my intent at least

I'm trying to clean up black hole rn

[terse knot]

I'm well aware, I just didn't want the conversation to turn into a negative spiral

which it seems to be doing anyway

[smoky oriole]

fair

[amber onyx]

not that badly, but also I'd prefer to know if something was really polarizing in a bad way, the approval poll doesn't capture the negative weights

[terse knot]

I think RCU fits decently well as it's an easily recognizable item that doesn't have bias for any mod and is a complex late game recipe, representing the not uncommon complexity of overhaul mods

[sudden zodiac]

"complex" lol

[terse knot]

I didn't like it at first but I'm imagining it next to the names and I think it'll look good

[sudden zodiac]

idve prefered kovarex but rcu is also good

[terse knot]

complex in terms of the recipe chain, not by itself

[amber onyx]

kovarex enrichment was and will continue to be emblematic of a distinctly vanilla thing

the RCU icon will be legacy and possibly repurposed by mods going forward

[terse knot]

I mean it is kind of a glorified processing unit, but that's still a decently complex recipe in and of itself

some mods already use RCU but recolored

[amber onyx]

🤔 makes a horrifying color-negative RCU icon

that's actually not horrifying o_o

well granted I rotated the hue rather than doing a total negative

[bleak ore]

thats pretty cool actually

[sudden zodiac]

when the control unit rockets

[smoky oriole]

I do like this more than total negative

or normal rcu

maybe we should do a poll between normal rcu and that

[amber onyx]

I'd prefer to either have the normal RCU or the cleaned up K2 singularity though

[smoky oriole]

here's my best attempt at cleaning

still rough

[amber onyx]

throw in the old (but not old old) engine graphic for funsies

[smoky oriole]

yeah we could just do the most popular as one poll

[amber onyx]

one poll to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them

[terse knot]

I'd like to point out that this poll let people pick multiple icons so the most popular ones are already people's favorites

I guess the numbers might be slightly different if they were forced to choose but eh

[smoky oriole]

@amber onyx did you apparently say "that's not horrifying actually"

because tts played it

??

what

[amber onyx]

as part of the image embed message

[smoky oriole]

okay tts randomly played that message I suppose

[amber onyx]

you're not copying that version are you? the raw file doesn't have the checkerboard

[smoky oriole]

no

[amber onyx]

kk

[smoky oriole]

that's a ss

[amber onyx]

this is making me want to see what the K2 artists used for source to render it D:

[smoky oriole]

do you think we could actually ask for them to just render it alone

oh raiguard made k2

[amber onyx]

IIRC K2 devs are. . . .in a bad place due to world events

no, raiguard maintains it

[smoky oriole]

oh

that makes sense

[smoky oriole]

☹️

[desert kiln]

Raiguard has no such graphic skills lol

[sudden zodiac]

it looks like the black hole tutorial that i saw for blender once

just with a few extra bits on top

its not that hard to make soemthing that looks like a black hole

[bright merlin]

I would be offended, if it wasn't true

I have the blender file for the intergalactic transceiver, which includes this black hole thing.

[stray vault]

If you wait like four hours I can attempt a mask then

I have plenty of practice

[amber onyx]

blender file would be even crisper :D

[sudden zodiac]

i think it might be really easy, but id also need to have my hands on it

like, i think you can just tell blender to not put anything but the black hole into the final render, but itll still use the other things

i think thats how rendering shadows works for factorio sprites. cuz you want to take a picture of the shadow only, and it needs to interact with the thing its making a shadow of

[rugged ferry]

source image?

[stray vault]

Case study of doing it without the model:

[amber onyx]

a mod emblematic of the divide between people who want to keep or destroy the wreckage (I'm in the keep camp) </risking a thread within a thread>

[sudden zodiac]

i c

[bright merlin]

Behold:

No idea how this is turned into the final product though 🤷‍♂️

[sudden zodiac]

wao

[bright merlin]

I like your funny UI magic man

[frigid plover]

wait are you getting into blender

[bright merlin]

No, this is one of the Krastorio source files that Krastor sent to me when I took over the mod

[amber onyx]

he got into blender only in the most literal of senses

[bright merlin]

I have NO IDEA how to use blender

Literally an infant

I'm just clicking buttons and now it looks poop brown

[frigid plover]

there actually is a poop icon in K2; I know becuase I found it and now everyone else has to know too

[stray vault]

You’re in material view, not render view or render

[bright merlin]

"material"
"view"
You assume I know what these words mean!

[stray vault]

Hold Z then swipe up

[frigid plover]

(except make sure the cursor is over the 3d bit)

[bright merlin]

Pog

[frigid plover]

paaaatience

[bright merlin]

CPU is dying

[frigid plover]

oh god

hang on i'll save you

[bright merlin]

Do I need an NVIDIA GPU?

[frigid plover]

no

[bright merlin]

Good

[frigid plover]

you need to tell blender to use your gpu

[stray vault]

Dear lord lol

[frigid plover]

i'm dying lol

[stray vault]

That’s already a low res preview too lol

Lmao

[amber onyx]

"Well you found me, congratulations, was it worth it..." playing in my head

[frigid plover]

okay go to the preferences and then System and you won't have CUDA but

you should have something for your card

(I have never done it? so whee fun adventure)

[stray vault]

Veterans remember when that was experimental feature for like a decade

[frigid plover]

Then go to the properties pane and hit Cycles and set the device to GPU Compute

[frigid plover]

I am, alas, not cool enough to be numbered among them 😦 I was a late bloomenderer

[stray vault]

I started in 2014. Easy to remember since it was freshman year

[bright merlin]

No bueno, it doesn't "just work" so I need to do googling to figure it out

[frigid plover]

i started ... when covid hit because I needed to do something

oof

[stray vault]

Welcome to Blender

[bright merlin]

HIP isn't detecting my GPU even though I have both requirements satisfied (I think)

Hold on, maybe I'll try the non-flatpak version

[amber onyx]

oh lol

[frigid plover]

(also hopefully this isn't pinging the everloving heck out of the mods)

[amber onyx]

threads have separable notification settings

[frigid plover]

ok good, time to post smooth garak

[bright merlin]

Wooooow Fedora's mirrors are so much slower than flathub's

[stray vault]

It is but only on my computer at home which I’m not at currently

[sudden zodiac]

rai uses linux, so decent chance its just linux being linux >.>

[stray vault]

Hopefully partner isn’t there

[stray vault]

No, Google to figure shit out is a universal Blender experience

[bright merlin]

Google to figure shit out is a universal Blender experience

Installing non-flatpak solved it, because it also installed many system libraries that I was missing

Blender just spins for a while and crashes. FFS.

Oh well

[frigid plover]

do you want me to iconify it

[bright merlin]

That would be waaaaaaaaaaaay easier than you baby-talking me through every step of the way 😄

I'll PM you

[frigid plover]

okie

[bright merlin]

Yep, when I try to use GPU compute it just segfaults
The process was killed by SIGSEGV: Segmentation fault

[stray vault]

Smells like Linux GPU shenanigans

[bright merlin]

Gonna see if a system update and restart fixes it

"AMD on Linux is easy" they said!
"You never have to worry about GPU drivers" they said!
Well, Blender doesn't work, nor does GPU encoding for livestreaming. It looks like trash.

[amber onyx]

are you using the official amd drivers or-

[bright merlin]

They're built in to the kernel

No installation needed

[stray vault]

~~well there’s your problem ~~

[bright merlin]

AMD does make closed-source drivers for Linux but they have all sorts of problems

99% of the time AMD just works™️ without any fuss

[stray vault]

30% of the time it works all of the time

[bright merlin]

Heh, I CAN use my CPU's integrated GPU to render though... it's slightly faster than straight CPU but not much.

[stray vault]

There we go

[bright merlin]

Without cutting off the glow:

[frigid plover]

wom wom wom

[bright merlin]

Now I know a LITTLE about how to use blender 😄

[amber onyx]

Enough to be dangerous...and fun!

[frigid plover]

you know how to crash it. that literally upgrades you to Experienced User

[bright merlin]

Krastor must have done some photoshop work to this as well because this doesn't look quite right

[frigid plover]

undoubtedly

I still can't work out why everything's pink -- the files are here

asdf

anyway, it's did

[stray vault]

If there’s one thing I’m good at doing, it’s crashing programs by doing things that seem totally normal

[frigid plover]

still proud of the reproducible crash bug we found live on stream in 4.2 that I reported and instantly got a "HIGH PRIORITY" rating

and is now fixed

by someone smarter than me

Anyway, is that gonna be the icon? 🙂

[smoky oriole]

so sexxy

[stray vault]

Just needs a black drop shadow

blur + set alpha to value of the blur and value to 0 + overlay original image on that

[bright merlin]

Sorry, must play Py now

[frigid plover]

there was a glare node used in the compositor, and i just cranked the poo out of it

[sudden zodiac]

oh neat

you almost cant see the fact that the triangles are a little too big on that disk

[frigid plover]

they

are so smol

i actually have no idea what in god's name this topo is but it sure do look pretty

anywaho

[sudden zodiac]

huh

[sudden zodiac]

i guess its just a perception skill issue cuz in this one they look pretty big

[amber onyx]

excellent call, I forgot to ask about that haha

[terse knot]

Overhaul Enthusiast Icon

gah, trying to make the pin look better

[smoky oriole]

So beautiful

[rugged ferry]

I can see that

[terse knot]

Overhaul Enthusiast

there, now the poll doesn't look like absolute garbage in the pins

not sure why the emotes weren't used themselves instead of links to them lmao

[smoky oriole]

Because some of them weren't

[amber onyx]

consistency :D

[smoky oriole]

Some of them were image

[stray vault]

What icon size do we want?

[terse knot]

tech icon? 256x256

or item icon which is 64x64

[frigid plover]

4k

[smoky oriole]

I would say this one

[terse knot]

honestly it's gonna be so small I'd rather have the item icon that actually fills up more of the image

[amber onyx]

also omits the shadow come to think of it

[amber onyx]

I'm still trying to figure out what you meant here about cutting off the glow; was there some sort of edit in post affecting the current version by contrast?

or was that vs. the prior image you posted?

[prisma escarp]

Previous image seems slightly cut off at the top and bottom

[amber onyx]

can we try one of them as the current icon?

[prisma escarp]

Sure

There

[amber onyx]

oh, the angled one, neat

I think that "cranked the poo out of it" glare thing means it lost detail though

[prisma escarp]

Slightly more cropped version now

[amber onyx]

^

[bright merlin]

I like it

[amber onyx]

it completely lost the separation of two parts above/below the accretion disc

[prisma escarp]

Horizontal?

[bright merlin]

Horizontal is more "recognizable" but I think the angled one looks more visually appealing

[amber onyx]

I don't get it, how was the original so crisp D:

[prisma escarp]

By not being scaled down to 10x10

[amber onyx]

nono the one you were using temporarily

[prisma escarp]

Dark background?

[amber onyx]

it's as if it had a different angle meant for an item icon rather than being in the world

[prisma escarp]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raiguard/Krastorio2/master/images/singularity.png

[sudden zodiac]

angled is cooler

[smoky oriole]

I think white mode makes it look like shit

let me try dark mode

[prisma escarp]

lol

[smoky oriole]

wow it looks so good

[prisma escarp]

I don't think that's unique to this icon

[smoky oriole]

also holy was discord always this dark...

[prisma escarp]

[smoky oriole]

the other ones look fine because they're all not really light colors

[prisma escarp]

My yellow name doesn't do too well either lol

[smoky oriole]

yeah

my discord monitors colors are bad too so everything gets worse

like your yellow name on my good color monitor is 👌

[smoky oriole]

I like that better

I think rotated like 45 deg would be good

[prisma escarp]

The contrast does work a lot better for light mode

On dark the ring is barely visible

[amber onyx]

reflection off the frame also gives the back part of the disc more body

[prisma escarp]

Angled?

[prisma escarp]

Hmmmm, yes

[smoky oriole]

I like

[bright merlin]

It's way pinker, it looks great

My raw export from blender was too light, not neon enough!

[prisma escarp]

lol

[smoky oriole]

I personally think this is way better than any of the choices

or well

[prisma escarp]

It's not any more pink, just less transparent

[smoky oriole]

this is 0th choice

[amber onyx]

how does it work scaled down through disc?

[prisma escarp]

Like that :P

[amber onyx]

the framed one

[prisma escarp]

That is the framed one

[amber onyx]

okay, I was not looking closely enough 😂

[prisma escarp]

Gotta switch to light mode :P

[smoky oriole]

it's very apparent on light mode

[amber onyx]

impressive just how much that makes it actually have defined shape by comparison, goodness

[bright merlin]

That looks great

[prisma escarp]

Note the difference in transparency, that's what makes the difference here especially on dark mode

[amber onyx]

now I gotta whip up a version of it with a faint ghost of the RCU being sucked into the singularity

[prisma escarp]

lol

[amber onyx]

that detail would be totally lost in the shrink though hehe

[smoky oriole]

only one way to find out

it's just gonna be like one pixel

one faintly green pixel

[amber onyx]

brute forced no scaling or blurring

[terse knot]

I mean RCU won, no?

[sudden zodiac]

it did? nah, pink black hole won

source: trust me bro

[terse knot]

doesn't look like it

it has more votes than the singularity

[prisma escarp]

The vote was rigged!

[sudden zodiac]

sorry, rcu winning over black holes doesnt fit in my worldview

[smoky oriole]

I think if we created a new poll now blackhole would win

[terse knot]

that's not an opinion, you're just rejecting data

[smoky oriole]

real

[sudden zodiac]

also, wait, the blak hole isnt even on the pole?

[smoky oriole]

yes it is

it's the 0th option

[terse knot]

I personally don't think the singularity fits the server, regardless of it looking cool

[sudden zodiac]

oh

[prisma escarp]

It was added a day late lol

[sudden zodiac]

so close to a tie

[smoky oriole]

was it really a day

[sudden zodiac]

someone else please vote for black hole

[smoky oriole]

wow time is weird

technically if I removed my reactions I could vote

because I can't vote

[terse knot]

it's also like... the K2 icon, which is incredibly biased

[smoky oriole]

fair

[sudden zodiac]

but it looks so good thoguh

[terse knot]

like at that point just use the SE thumbnail if we're gonna do that

[sudden zodiac]

i woudlnt mind

[terse knot]

that's not even the SE thumbnail

[smoky oriole]

👾

[sudden zodiac]

what do you mean by the SE thumbnail, like, the mod portal image?

[prisma escarp]

https://assets-mod.factorio.com/assets/0bbd7809fe9151ac3f7cd1c3c604e13d4c8598d9.thumb.png

[terse knot]

I was being facetious, it doesn't matter

[smoky oriole]

yeah lets have that

🤭

[sudden zodiac]

thank you greencode very cool

[terse knot]

like I really don't think we should be singling out a specific overhaul's art to represent the rest of them

[prisma escarp]

Shall we take Iron's suggestion and replace it every few days?

[terse knot]

zoom out

[prisma escarp]

Waifu

[terse knot]

?

[sudden zodiac]

so true speckled

[terse knot]

regardless it's still very obviously associated with K2 and that I don't like

[smoky oriole]

let the poll decide I say

[sudden zodiac]

ill vote for 2 and 9 so you can vote for the black hole

[terse knot]

it's not a conspiracy guys

[sudden zodiac]

black hole 2024

[bright merlin]

I like it, but I am very obviously biased

[terse knot]

1️⃣ RCU
2️⃣ K2 singularity

[smoky oriole]

thank you

I am saved

[prisma escarp]

3️⃣ 3

[sudden zodiac]

pin that too, maybe?

[sudden zodiac]

i love democracy

[terse knot]

I'm wondering why we didn't allow poll permissions for moderators

[smoky oriole]

weird

[sudden zodiac]

easier to just turn it off for everyone, i suppose

dont get anybody whining that mods can do it but not normies, either

[prisma escarp]

https://assets-mod.factorio.com/assets/95e50d133577031a4004bdd1dd93a8e8e3836730.thumb.png

[smoky oriole]

if they whine just say "shut up I'm mod L + ratio"

[prisma escarp]

Hmmm, if I had to find an example of prime mod crazyness it would probably be waterfill

[sudden zodiac]

waterfill as the icon would be funny

everyone knows what waterfill is

[smoky oriole]

oh god the "water fill your house" 🤕

[terse knot]

it would be annoying af from all the martincitopants brain rot

[sudden zodiac]

lol

[terse knot]

not lol, it was hell in this server for three months

that phrase instantly makes me dislike a person

[sudden zodiac]

even if they say it ironically?

[smoky oriole]

yes

[prisma escarp]

I think it perfectly captures the "too many mods for your own good" idea

[smoky oriole]

it's still annoying

[sudden zodiac]

i guess i should keep my mouth closed then

[terse knot]

taking a shit on someone's front step ironically still isn't appreciated

[smoky oriole]

😭

real af

[prisma escarp]

Do you want an actual poll though?

[terse knot]

it's already good enough

[solar trail]

I do think waterfill was a fun meme because it represents an unusual destructive action with no otherwise negative connotation

[smoky oriole]

no

[solar trail]

If they said ^shoots you with a gun* that has inherent negative connotation

[smoky oriole]

I like multiple reactions and I can't remembre if normal polls have that

[terse knot]

only having two choices kind of defeats that purpose though

[smoky oriole]

yeah which is why we had the other poll

[terse knot]

also pretty sure you can have checkbox polls

[rugged ferry]

and this is why we make the role before the icon image

[smoky oriole]

don't like bikeshedding :(

I mean I had an entire server of just me and my friends bikeshedding

fun for me

[rugged ferry]

it's great fun

[solar trail]

What is bike shedding

[terse knot]

I wish we actually tried out both icons instead of choosing one arbitrarily

[rugged ferry]

nitpicking over the minor details you actually have a opinion on

[prisma escarp]

Dedicating all your time to the design of the bike shed when you are supposed to design an entire building

[sudden zodiac]

giving disproportionate attention to minute details

[terse knot]

I'd rather debate the significance of a role icon I won't use than figure out why the blue line is going past the red circle

[solar trail]

Well that train is in the way isn’t it

[terse knot]

this is a scripting thing

not a train behavior thing

I'm rendering that stuff

aka debugging (ew)

[smoky oriole]

okay set it as rcu you then

[solar trail]

Oh it’s a graphic display issue

[terse knot]

it's not a graphic display issue, the graphics are rendering what the code is doing fine

it's a rail tracing issue

[sudden zodiac]

my favorite is "why isnt this working" but not saying what its supposed to do

[terse knot]

something that is really annoying in the api

[stray vault]

I don’t love encouraging SE as the “default overhaul mod”

[sudden zodiac]

i feel like SE is gonna keep the RCU for sure

[stray vault]

Saw it somewhere in here in notifications… hold on

[terse knot]

how would RCU imply SE

sure it uses a modified version of it for satellite telemetry but it's different, RCU is still a vanilla item

I suppose I'm also biased away from SE/K2 because I'm sick and tired of seeing it everywhere

there are other overhauls

I guess I can just css edit and hide role icons

[sudden zodiac]

i ahve the perfect solution

[smoky oriole]

just rotate the role icon every week fr

[sudden zodiac]

:D

[smoky oriole]

bruh waht

[sudden zodiac]

just ask preylezero for whatever they used to get that black hole ish thing

[terse knot]

248k isn't even played by itself, 99% of the time it's with SE and K2

[smoky oriole]

yeah so no one knows the icon

[sudden zodiac]

so my facetious was accidentally double facetious

[terse knot]

people know the icon

[smoky oriole]

I didn't know it

[terse knot]

you do now

[smoky oriole]

I play "real" overhauls fr

[sudden zodiac]

clearly at least one of us did kekw

[terse knot]

L take, I'm out

[smoky oriole]

😭

[sudden zodiac]

what about seablock?

[smoky oriole]

haha

[sudden zodiac]

maybe you could use one of the buildings from AAI programmable structures

radar thing looks cools

[smoky oriole]

same problem

it's biased

[prisma escarp]

[smoky oriole]

I do think we should try the RCU for fairness

[prisma escarp]

unplugs keyboard
tries to write reaction message
Why can't I type???

[sudden zodiac]

[smoky oriole]

me core

[stray vault]

Okay it was me missing this comment, carry on

[smoky oriole]

I like RCU actually wow

I think I actually prefer RCU

[prisma escarp]

Oscilloscope fans assemble!

[smoky oriole]

oh damn I can't vote because I got blocked

this is so sad

[terse knot]

it was temporary

it was such an L take I had to pretend it didn't exist for a little bit

[prisma escarp]

[smoky oriole]

don't worry I don't actually believe that 😭

[unkempt tree]

Arcosphere would be best

[smoky oriole]

what the hell is arcosphere

[sudden zodiac]

[terse knot]

:P

[sudden zodiac]

the end game puzzle of SE

very fun

and very hard

[stray vault]

What if I do it unironically

[stray vault]

well….

[terse knot]

I would applaud you for the commitment

[prisma escarp]

#mod-dev-graphics message Take your pick

[stray vault]

The plebian one

[amber onyx]

whaaa what is with people attributing things to me that others said, this is the second or third time this week 😆

[sudden zodiac]

so true maxreader

[prisma escarp]

You were there

[terse knot]

I can't believe you would suggest arcospheres iron

[sudden zodiac]

didnt iron say not to trust everything you read on the internet? i think that applies here too

[stray vault]

I can’t believe Iron told me to shit on his front step

[prisma escarp]

KFC arcosphere you say? Can do...

[terse knot]

man icon that e=mc^2 thing you came up with was really genius

[smoky oriole]

I thought iron told me to trust everything

[smoky oriole]

I dare you

[terse knot]

no please don't

[prisma escarp]

Actually no, I'm off to bed

Bother codegreen about it instead

[sudden zodiac]

kentucky fried codegreen

[terse knot]

oof ouch owie

[stray vault]

#mod-dev-graphics message

?

Oh derp I didn’t see the other link

[terse knot]

iron, voting for both is like voting for neither

[smoky oriole]

I mean at least bro likes both

[amber onyx]

I either made or suggested both of them, don't make me pick XD

[terse knot]

can I have your vote then

[stray vault]

Fey deals be like

[terse knot]

speckled go to bed lol

[amber onyx]

the RCU fits the server more, the black hole fits the role's idea of "excess" more

[sudden zodiac]

iron gets it

[stray vault]

So this one it is

[terse knot]

that was the one used previously yeah

[amber onyx]

hm? I didn't see the one with the black hole eating the RCU

[terse knot]

I think

oh wait yeah wrong one

the choices (singularity would have transparent background)

[sudden zodiac]

what is this even supposed to be

[amber onyx]

pin the comparison too lol

[terse knot]

check the pins

[amber onyx]

my brain shortcircuited, carry on

I saw that and then got thrown off by the relativity thing XD

[rugged ferry]

excerpts from a (real!) pepsi logo redesign presentation

[sudden zodiac]

these people are paid too much money if they can get away with that shit

[amber onyx]

soda can labels now holographic, green up day made 10% easier

[smoky oriole]

what

average ai generated sentence

[cold vine]

damn y'all have been busy

[wicked quest]

RCU has 22 votes, almost half the total votes

[solar trail]

Am I crazy or is that just not true

Oh I get it now

[solar trail]

They did go against the vote though lol but I don’t have any investment

[wicked quest]

Because IronCartographer suggested to rotate the icons.

[amber onyx]

serioiusly not cool running with a joke (referentially after the fact when it's not clear (especially lacking tone as text does) it's a joke) when it's actual misinformation

I rotated the hue in an image, and I think the original discussion [wasn't even intended to be about animation or cycling through them](#1275127307907891376 message)

[wicked quest]

sorry, I won't do it again

[solar trail]

I won’t contest this anymore because I think it’s not as bad as the roles with icons and

If anything needs attention it’s those

[amber onyx]

pretty sure codegreen wanted to make sure that the RCU was at least tested and nothing's finalized

[smoky oriole]

that's another bikeshed issue not for this thread please create the "bikeshed the bikeshedding of icons" thread to have your recommendation bikeshedded

oh yeah black hole is winning on both polls now

[vivid portal]

Black hole has been winning on both poles for a while now

And here's the thing with black holes: K2 and 248k have them, PySEx will have them, and I'm not sure but I think SE and EI have them.

[smoky oriole]

so change the icon to black hole?

[solar trail]

I think that codegreen has made up his mind

[amber onyx]

nothing more permanent than a temp fix

[smoky oriole]

Too real

[vivid portal]

I'd like that, and looks like the majority of people here like it as well

[unkempt tree]

I'm good with blcak hole

[vivid portal]

What’s a blcak hole?