Space Age Pricing

[silk void]

Feel free to discuss the pricing of Space Age here

[shadow magnet]

Not cheap, but enough good content to make it worth it

Just like the Elden Ring DLC which is the size of a whole game, Factorio DLC doubles the game's official content

[chilly sinew]

They should introduce hourly subscription pricing. 50 cent per hour. Sounds extremely cheap and will lure in people, only to trap them and turn the devs ultra rich

[patent lynx]

I think it's very reasonable - it's about the price of a full solid game, which it is

[shadow magnet]

Same

[hushed torrent]

2.0 <<<333

[nocturne crystal]

$5 a month for Factorio subscription

the paradox way

[shadow magnet]

Just 7 months

[chilly sinew]

yeah to be more serious, factorio itself would still be a bargain at twice the price - now they're giving us more content, again for a pretty low price in today's game market

[nocturne crystal]

with all expansion lol. so 14

[tender blaze]

I expected it to be 20 to 25 USD compared to the game's 35 USD price.

[shadow magnet]

They said it'll be 30$ a year ago, because it has new content as much as the base game

[tardy lodge]

My question is how much play time will Spage age add to the current so I can maybe gauge the price from that

[shadow magnet]

40-400 hours just for the campaign

[swift fox]

Make an alternative form of payment, selling organs for SE

[shadow magnet]

And a ton more for elevated rails and quality and spoilage and mods

[chilly sinew]

yeah I understand the general intuition of "DLC should be cheaper than the base game" but my reaction was the opposite: I forgot that factorio was only 35$ and was surprised when I found out today

[chilly sinew]

I know at least one person who will get stuck playing with elevated rails for a week before progressing further

[shadow magnet]

You?

[tardy lodge]

My dear simp will buy my the DLC anyway so we can play together but it'll be like $70 for us both lol

[chilly sinew]

No, I'll get overwhelmed with all the new stuff, quit from choice paralysis when I reach space and have to pick a planet, and come back half a year later to lose a couple hundred hours to the game

[tender blaze]

I think Factorio is a great game and DLC will bring a lot more interesting stuff to the base game however even though the game's price is on spot (for me), the DLC's price will make it less accessible to people. I play games with mods but have never played Factorio with them. I was waiting for this DLC to come so that I can start again for the last year. I think there is a lot of people like me, excluding the enthusiasts in this community, who were waiting for the DLC. Which might lead to people stop playing the game completely if they are not exposed to mods.

[chilly sinew]

Any non-free price will always exclude some people, sadly

[tardy lodge]

How bout a Spage age demo dlc >:3

The demo was the free taste for me afterall

It'll absolutely help decide if people think it's for them

Don't need to be much, just be some scenarios

[devout mango]

I also think the price is pretty fair we get a lot of new content new fabrication methods and new ways to build a factory also you have to think about it that a regular game price today is around 60-70$/€ so with 30-35 you are on a pretty good stand in my opinion.
I mean it surly is still a lot of money but if I think what I spent money in games I played 20 or 40 hours while factorio I already played thounds of hours and what I see about SA I will also probably play thounds of hours (really like the new planets) I think it is completly fine.

[lost lynx]

It is pretty good pricing, but I just despise the practice of "Oh pay (amount of money) to play the game, but if you want to play the FULL game you need to spend (another amount of money)" and its kinda why im a bit peeved by this

Most likely i'll still save up and buy it but like, I primarily play the game with friends and unfortunately they dont seem to be on the same boat on the whole 'paying 35 dollars for an expansion' thing

Also comparing the pricing of the expansion and game to the pricing of triple A titles is flat out ridiculous

[devout mango]

well SA is not the full game thats the thing the full game is planned to be factorio and SA is "just" a large dlc and not the planned full game
(Still I know what you mean)
In the beginnings I even think they never planned to make it that big it just was going like that out of passion and then you somehow have to pay your people so somehow they have to generate money from the content they produce and work they have.

[lost lynx]

The garbage quality of AAA games aside these huge companies dump literal millions into making their games, and price their games accordingly to expect alot of profit from their investment into the development of the game. Hence why triple A games are so expensive, they literally milk it as much as they can without being priced too high as that people simply wont buy the game

So the game + the expansion being about the same price as a triple A title is quite uhh, steep (atleast for people like me)

Although this is mostly a subjective opinion

[devout mango]

But AAA games are made by studios and publishers who release like 2-4 games per year (or at least 1 per year) thats a huge difference to 1 game and 1 dlc/game in 8+ years

[lost lynx]

Everyone values prices differently i suppose

[white nacelle]

Considering the amount of stuff in the expansion, I think the price is fair

It's doubling the game basically

[devout mango]

Thats definitely true it always is different depending in what situation you are and how much money you have spare in general.
I dont shame anyone who thinks twice about if he will buy it or not as I said it is still a lot of money even if I think it is fair priced and than you also get some nice QoL stuff in the base game which also could let it feel good to play even if there is nothing crazy new.

[wind rover]

At first, the price shocked me, but then I calculated it and realized that for my country the price in Rubles is 1200, while $35 is 3k RUB. I suppose I should be ashamed to complain..

[lost lynx]

Not fully, a big company alone would only make like a triple AAA game about once or twice a year at most (with some exceptions like EA making sport formula games for the 20th sequential year in a row), and they sink a huge chunk of their funds into the games they make with hopes of revenue.

Factorio is a great game, and the 35 dollar price i think is worth it if the consumer knows what theyre buying. But I still find little justification to price expansions this high

Although one thing I hear frequently is ''with the amount of content in the expansion, I think the price is fair'' which I'll need to find out once the expansion rolls out because uhh, I dont exactly know whats in the expansion and whats in 2.0

[terse nebula]

• You already paid for the base game
• The DLC is as big as the base game
• You give double the amount for shittier games

[white nacelle]

Expansion is 4 new planets (each with their own supply chain), Space plateform, Elevated rails, Quality

[devout mango]

look at the FFF-418 and you get a good grasp

[lost lynx]

• You give double the amount for shittier games
  no i dont i cant afford them 😭

[terse nebula]

• You're 3 months out

[lost lynx]

its over

[bleak pewter]

how mcuh does factorio cost in your country Makki

[last plaza]

Not necessarily about SA pricing but imo
factorio isn't worth 35$ if they're here for only doing one rocket run
same for DLC; although I haven't played it yet I don't think people would be satisfied with the price if they're just gonna play dlc once and move on

the reason it is worth the money is of how you can keep optimizing things and design stuffs even after finishing a run

also, I think many people have the view of modding community as a somewhat separated small part from the game. But I would say in factorio, mods are what factorio really worth the money, considering them not only being free but also giving you few magnitude of vanilla experience.

[dense tendon]

I have bought 100 EUR games that I stopped playing after 10 hours. I paid 20 or 25 EUR for Factorio almost a decade ago and I'm nearing my 4000th hour. 35 EUR is very fair. I would easily pay 50 EUR for it.

[devout mango]

I mean in the end there is no problem with waiting after release and watch some videos to see if it is worth for you I think no one wants to push you buying something you can not afford or think it is not worth your time 😄

[last plaza]

just dropping my thought since it's related to pricing

[lost lynx]

17 minute video, will prob see it soon!

[lost lynx]

130 riyals

[bleak pewter]

in terms of $/h it's worth it even for a single rocket run, if you're comparing to most games

[last plaza]

eh probably because 'most games' sucks and only few of them get to be played few dozens of hours

[white nacelle]

Even if you do a single rocket run, you'll take, dunno, 40 or 50 hours (you can go much faster, but not on your first run). 35 for 40-50 hours ? It's a really good price.
(But video games in general are one of the cheapest hobby I know.)

[bleak pewter]

sure, doesn't change the fact that Factorio is in a pretty elite tier of $/h if you like the game (and you have a 5hr demo to make sure it suits you)

[devout mango]

I have given over 5k € in LoL (when I still had money to spend and was pretty much addicted) so tell me about having stuff that is not worth the money 😭
In comparison to that a 200€ dlc would be worth but not affordable or realistically worth for the most people 😄

[lost lynx]

Another concern I have is, then whats in 2.0 ? Cuz theres gonna be a major update and then a paid expansion

[bleak pewter]

I think if you're reading FFFs 1-2 hours after their release, you can justify spending $35 in 3 months time for ~60-80hrs of entertainment, probably pretty good entertainment ROI across other activities

[lost lynx]

So its gonna be like, is there gonna be alot of features that was in 2.0 thats gonna be in the SA instead?

[white nacelle]

No

[prisma jay]

that means that base game will get some features that were meant to be in there (in base game) and there is SA

[last plaza]

well just saying I (me) wouldn't pay 35$ for 50 hour experience
But that's personal preferences so yeah

[white nacelle]

Some unlocks are shuffled around if you play SA (cliff explosive is... the lava planet I think, as an example), but if you play without SA it's going to be the same game

[bleak pewter]

there's a breakdown in the FFF, I think only elevated rails are a "standard" feature that won't be in 2.0

[devout mango]

2.0 is (as far as I saw it) mostly updates to old systems that were to clunky or where new ideas came during the development of SA but nothing that was planned in 2.0 was shifted to SA instead more likely it was the other way stuff that were developed for SA were in some ways shifted to 2.0 because it is an overall nice system update (like the fluid system)

[bleak pewter]

everyone can decide how they spend their money ofc, but I think you'd be in the minority here. going to the movies for 3 hours costs minimum $15 across Europe/US, more like $30 when I was living in London

[last plaza]

kinda regional stuff but alright

[twin inlet]

I've spent more on some nights out with friends, at a restaurant, a concert, and many more things, that don't even come close to the time spent in Factorio.
35$ is a very fair price for a quality game/dlc.
Heck, some games sell 70$ skins inside their 80$ games :p

[nocturne crystal]

keep in mind that "going to the movies/concerts" might not even be a thing people do in some parts of the world

[shadow magnet]

500$ skin in a f2p game....

[twin inlet]

True.

[last plaza]

I think all these problems arise from the fact we're not sure if we would enjoy SA (and think it is worth the money) in the first place

I've said it before I'll say it again, there should be a short demo for SA for those who have factorio

Hell who knows I might be disappointed at it even after reading all that FFF

since I'm not the one playing it

[lost lynx]

I myself cannot realistically say i will or wont buy SA unless it comes out and i can see it, cuz for example being told what youre gonna experience in a rollercoaster is not the same thing as actually being in a rollercoaster

Only time will tell!!!!

[devout mango]

As I said before there is no pressure to buy it on release right now so just wait and watch videos of the gameplay
I agree that a demo could help but I also understand that there are points why you dont want to have it as a developer

[nocturne crystal]

I know I'll buy it, I'm going to tinker with modding the quality and spoilage systems

[lost lynx]

But whether or not i'll buy it i'm still holding firm on my stance of 'oh you bought the game but you need to spend more money to buy the full content of the game', I dont like it when any oversized company does it or even indie titles

Unless the dlc is like literal fraction of a dollar of prices like hotline miami 2 or sumn then yeah thats nothing

((Although hm2 is absolutely not the same situation, where the devs do not* care about the profit of the game, whereas the factorio devs have bills to pay))

[bleak pewter]

you have the full content of the game though

[lucid cairn]

Would you rather buy factorio + SA as one package for 70€?

[lost lynx]

I think you'd be able to when the expansion releases 😭

[lucid cairn]

Factorio is the full game SA just adds more content/gameplay beyond the full game,

im definitly buying SA, wouldve preorderd if i were able to lol

[lost lynx]

Does the full content of the game include SA?

[lucid cairn]

Full game is Nauvis. Beyong Nauvis is an expansion, aka more/different gameplay

[devout mango]

And what shall they do in their situation?
They spent a lot of work into it so it is worth like the base game
It comes of from the base game so making a new game from it is just as weird
I know what you mean as I had it with Monster Hunter: World Iceborn dlc but I think we might get away from the DLC is just an fraction expansion and therefor a fraction price to differentiate it more
DLC can be

• A fraction expansion and therefor a fraction price
• An addition to the game as big as the game and therefor for the price of a complete game

You cant say we put tons of work in it and just sell it for 5€ since it is labeled as DLC but if it would be standalone you can label it 50€ or stuff like that

But than thats just my point of view and you have yours but I dont know if in your point of view the devs would have an realistic option to satisfy you out of killing their income so you can pay less which is a hard thing to want.

(Also dont take it as critic or anything just trying to get a different view for you that might make sense in the end I still can understand everyone who says it is to much for me but than you probably can just wait for the next steam sail in 3 month winter sail isnt far I guess 😄 )

[shadow magnet]

RimWorld has relatively expensive DLC. Big with a lot of content. Shovel Knight keeps getting more expensive with every (free) expansion.

[lost lynx]

Yeah thats another thing, thats why i was never like 'they should make it cheaper' or outright free cuz that'd just be undermining the dev's work who literally work on this game for a living

[lucid cairn]

Probably wont go on sale either, as factorio base game has never went on sale, the dlc probably wont either.

[lost lynx]

Its moreso a thing that, when I got the game, i originally had pirated it cuz i had no way of buying it at the time, when I got my first line of income in awhile I immediately bought the game, I knew about the future space expansion before the dlc part was confirmed so I wasnt really expecting to have to spend basically the exact same price to be able to experience what i was looking forward to

[devout mango]

oh didnt know that thought it was on sale but guess youre right

[lost lynx]

So I guess the reason why I'm a bit upset at it is cuz it was moreso my expectation wasn't, this

Had I known which i had no way to at the time, it probably would've helped

[devout mango]

hmm ok that makes sense but I think when I remember correctly they said from the start that the space expansion will be an expansion which you have to pay for but my mind isnt too good in remembering stuff long term so dont know 😄

[shadow magnet]

They have said that and even said it'll cost like the base game because it doubles the content

[bleak pewter]

doesn't really make sense that an expansion 3 years in the works would be released for free tbh

[lost lynx]

When was this btw

[white nacelle]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-367

[devout mango]

I mean I bought the game over their website when it came available and than another time when it came to steam so I already paid two times for the base game and also will get the SA but thats also because I can afford it

(To be fair I only paid like 15€ all together for the base game because it was way before release very early versions where nearly no one knew it I was all alone from all the people I knew 😄 )

[white nacelle]

"We still don't want to be specific about many things, not even the expansion name, but we can start by giving you some general idea about the scale of the project. The general goal is to make the expansion feel like as big an addition as the whole vanilla game. This is why we plan to price it at $30.00, and put in enough content to make it well worth the price."

2022-02-04. So, uh, 2,5 years ago.

[shadow magnet]

When the base game was still $30

[lost lynx]

Yeah that was like a month before buying the game, reminds me

I ACTUALLY MADE A FUCKIN MEME ON THAT BRAIN ALIEN THING LMAO

When everyone was talking about it, man

Its been that long already

[dense tendon]

Quite sure we (people who bought it on the website before it was on steam) got a free steam key?

[low scroll]

I think a newcomer will look at this game and see 70 dollars

[shadow magnet]

It should be explained that it is 2 different things

[devout mango]

yep they did I got one too but still bought it on steam because I wanted to support the developers

[dense tendon]

Ah k, nice. Thought you had a key you never used 🙂

[low scroll]

The lack of sales does not help

[low scroll]

I think this is just what reviews are for

[dense tendon]

I know the devs never do sales, but maybe they can put out a base game + DLC for 50-60 instead. But personally I don't think many people would buy the DLC if they never bought the base game before.

[lost lynx]

I dont mind the lack of sales cuz like, its not a constant guarantee a game would have one lmao

[low scroll]

Sales exist for a reason though, and that reason imo is not entirely manipulation

It's essentially a form of flexible pricing, a form of haggling

[shadow magnet]

Selling them as a bundle would make it seem like you should buy the DLC straight away

Which is not the case

[low scroll]

Yeah, a bundle seems like a penalty for buying them separately

[lost lynx]

When i think abt it, if a newer player bought the dlc with the main game, they'd prob never experience the expansion 😭

[shadow magnet]

I don't think it should be the same price as the base, simply because it doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of content i.e. mods

[dense tendon]

Also true 🙂 Difficult topic, especially since 35 EUR/USD is peanuts for a couple of hundred of million of people worldwide, while it's extremely expensive for the rest.

[low scroll]

I think all the mods will move to Space Age and then it's the base game that won't have the mods

[distant lark]

They said early on that SA would contain about as much as the base game...

[shadow magnet]

How do you figure? Most mods won't be Spage only

[lost lynx]

Nah the base game will still have mods cuz alot of features are still in base game 😭

[low scroll]

IMO it doesn't help that the pre-space part is changed, I feel like it would be an easier sell if the base game ended with rocket and the DLC continued right there

[last plaza]

I guess that makes sense

[vast prawn]

There will be mods that NEED the expansion and there will be mods that will be used for base game

[shadow magnet]

Which is impossible because of mods

[bleak pewter]

that makes the dlc too difficult

[distant lark]

Vanilla base game was implied there.

[low scroll]

Yeah I suppose many mods will work on either, but I would bet the big overhaul ones will go Space Age

[shadow magnet]

Only RCU removal and rockets losing

[shadow magnet]

K2 is was confirmed not Spage

[low scroll]

RCU?

[shadow magnet]

SE hasn't decided yet

[bleak pewter]

rocket control unit

[shadow magnet]

removed from 2.0

[vast prawn]

SpaceX should need the DLC. It could extend the planets etc.

[last plaza]

you mean space exploration need the DLC?

[vast prawn]

yea sry

[dense tendon]

Pyanodon is also keeping everything base game, except for one module (PySA)

[low scroll]

What's difficult about this? it's just a matter of time isn't it?

[vast prawn]

And we dont know yet if some of the entities shown are only in the SA .exe as prototypes

It was confirmed that the elevated rail prototypes will only work in SA.

[shadow magnet]

E said he's not sure if SE will need SA, but it won't on release

[low scroll]

I think it's easier to see Space Age as a proper expansion if it continues at the end of a vanilla run 🤷

[shadow magnet]

It doesn't though

[vast gale]

A lot of mods have compatibilty with other mods but are not required, I dont see why adding space age would be any different

[shadow magnet]

It's a different run starting from 0

[bleak pewter]

people don't have infinite time 🙂 I think the expansion keeps more casual players in mind who don't make factories launching a rocket every minute

and if you buy it for the planets, I understand why they make rockets cheaper and earlier to skip on purple/yellow science

they're a huge resource spike

[low scroll]

I know, and that's what I think will add to the feeling that you should get the DLC right away

[lost lynx]

Will draining planets of resources be possible? I feel like that'd be hilarious

Though not practical

[shadow magnet]

Not more than in 1.1

[low scroll]

We should put large rockets on the planets to alter their orbits to make them super adjacent, then build bridges between

[shadow magnet]

You're not expected to play RimWorld with all the expansions from the statt

Same with Oxygen Not Included expansion

[low scroll]

I think the base game should be made cheaper 🤷 but gl with these devs

[shadow magnet]

Playing ONI Spaced Out before base game would be a pain

Did the base game lose value? So why reduce the price

[vast gale]

Honestly I would probably pay double.

[low scroll]

I think it did

[vast gale]

Most games dont have nearly as much content and are priced way higher

[low scroll]

It stopped being the canonical experience

[shadow magnet]

2.0 is a huge update

Did it?

[low scroll]

Well, it will, in October

[low scroll]

I don't think it's good for Factorio to only get the people in your position though

I bet there are people out there who would pay 2000 dollars for it

but the game can't live off those people alone

unless it goes whaling

[lost lynx]

Whaling? Lets go

[shadow magnet]

If Factorio base game is worth $35 without mods, then Space Age is worth $35 as well

[lost lynx]

The spirit of captain ahab lives within me

[lost lynx]

Unfortunately cant say the same until we see for ourselves

[shadow magnet]

Do you find the base game worth $35 without mods?

[lost lynx]

The 130 riyals i spent on it? Well, I dont regret it if thats what you mean

[shadow magnet]

The expansion is supposed to have as much new content as the base game had

[vast gale]

CAD$45

[shadow magnet]

Will they reach that? Who knows

[lost lynx]

Yeah, thats basically what I meant

I cannot in good confidence say

Its not worth it

Or

It is worth it

If ive yet to see for myself

[shadow magnet]

Just wait for more reveals then

[lost lynx]

So we'll wait till it drops

Ye

Although from a developer standpoint

The price of 35$

Seems the most fair

Cuz like there were a few choices they had

Either increase the price of the main game to like, 60 or 65$ and the expansion be free, which, yeah no lmao

It would make the devs even less money because the people already playing the game would not get them anymore money

And it would shy away potential players that wouldve bought the game but wont anymore cuz of the new steep price

Its just a lose-lose for most people except current players

From what i can tell 35$ dollars for each the main game and expansion seems most realistic as much as i hate to say it

[vestal garnet]

Vanilla and SA will have the same amount of mods on day 1: 0

[shadow magnet]

Not true

Raiguard and Earendel said their mods will be there day 1

And I assume also codegreen's

[lost lynx]

The modders about to literally do crunch hours for absolutely no profit just so they can make their mods available to players earlier:

[vast gale]

I'm gonna play Vanilla at least the first playthrough with some friends

[lost lynx]

Im not too well familiar with the community but earendel sounds familiar

P sure i saw his name a few times while browsing mods

[vestal garnet]

a handfull of mods are rounding errors compared to the ~8k 1.1 mods there are currently

it will take a while to get back to where we are now and I expect a lot of entirely new stuff that will require SA

[shadow magnet]

Raiguard has Krastorio 2, Rate Calculator, Recipe Book etc.
Earendel made Space Exploration.

[vast gale]

oh Rate Calculator is a must.

[lost lynx]

AH THAT!

NOW I REMEMEMENEBRBR

[shadow magnet]

Both work for Wube now

[lost lynx]

Whos wube!

[shadow magnet]

The developers of Factorio

[vestal garnet]

[lost lynx]

Are they edible

[shadow magnet]

You seem to have too many edibles already

[lost lynx]

Also my main goal in SA is seeing just how much destruction i can conjure

[shadow magnet]

The factory must blow? (things away)

[vast gale]

This comment just made my day

[lost lynx]

I remember once me and my friends were like, NEW new in the game and were playing together

We had mods that sounded fun

Included rampant arsenal

[vast gale]

Not me just turning bitters off.

[lost lynx]

At a certain point my friend was building something

A train loading thing i believe

And i was just watching

And i had a mortar equipped on my engineer

And i didnt know 'C' can shoot at objects

So when i pressed c on accident

I targetted like the center of what he was building

And destroyed the entire thing

(We both had like a 2 second stunned pause before he threw grenades at me and killed me)

This is the wrong chat, goodness me!

To get back on topic for the rest of you to discuss later: Would you buy the space age expansion if it was 377$ ?

[visual sail]

why that number?

[lost lynx]

Is it too low

[lucid cairn]

But why specificly that number?

[lost lynx]

Good question!

[dense tendon]

Paste the glass of milk again to confuse us more! 😄

[lost lynx]

Nah im good !

[last plaza]

I would... but only after others say the gameplay (+mods that require SA) is fun regardless of price

but don't you dare say then I should donate 342 dollars to wube 😢

[low scroll]

Let's auction off Space Exploration, we start it at 200 dollars and every day it drops by 10 cents

[dense tendon]

But to answer the question: I think no game is worth more than 60-70 EUR in today's economy, and I only pay that for high quality games that have replayability. But like this discussion already showed: your country, your income, ... all decide on your personal price that you are comfortable with. My take is that 377 USD is a price only rich or irresponsible people would pay. But I'm sure there are people who think the same about 60 USD and others wouldn't think that under 1k.

[low scroll]

Imagine dynamic pricing that goes up when people buy it and goes down over time

I would never pay 70 euro for any game

I don't care about all the mental tricks people use to justify it, I'm not paying that

[visual sail]

total playtime is a useful thing to look at, though

[vast gale]

Its ok if you dont value your time and things you create but dont push that mentality on other people.

[slow finch]

I think the $35 is not enough and they should set it to $99. Anyone who complains can go and cut their neighbor's grass 🙂

[shadow magnet]

(Playtime+enjoyment)/price

[low scroll]

Total playtime is something but some hours are more valuable than other hours

[visual sail]

I paid full price for starcraft 2 and its expansions; I've played factorio at least 10x more

[low scroll]

Factorio is a very slow game and I can't compare it hour for hour to a polished, intense experience like Portal

[shadow magnet]

That's where "enjoyment" comes in

[lost lynx]

Imma be fr i hate calculating if a game is worth it or not by how much i'll play it,

If its a game i think i'll enjoy, then i'll eventually get it, if not then i wont

[vast gale]

if you have 350 hours in Factorio, which is likely very conservative. thats only $1 per hour.

[slow finch]

Name 10 other games that have the coding background as factorial that can run a factory simulation with the insane amount of performance that factorio offers. So ignore the actual game play just think about the background engineering of the game itself and it's performance and think about any other game that would require such a scale of performance. There is nothing that gets even close to what factoro can do.

[shadow magnet]

Easy solution, don't be poor!

[vast prawn]

I would pay the 70€ a AAA game would cost for Factorio and another 70€ for a DLC, because its just worth that much

[last plaza]

yeah... I'm also not sure about estimating how much the game is worth with playtime

[lost lynx]

Yooo

[visual sail]

the expansion is basically "did you like original factorio? well here's even more of it!"

[vast prawn]

Without Factorio, I wouldnt have had my job today. Factorio gave me a reason to learn programming and now I'm a Front-End Webdev

[lost lynx]

Based asf

[low scroll]

Not really relevant to me as a player

[vast gale]

you have to think about the target demographic as well.. its clear this game targets Engineers (software, production, etc) and clearly those are people that can afford the $70

[vast prawn]

Factorio even saved me multiple times when I was down from depression. This game is just a masterpiece.

[shadow magnet]

It's not $70 though. It's 35 and then 35 more

[low scroll]

I don't know about that, I think it's more interesting to people who may be engineering types but aren't actually engineers yet

[lost lynx]

This reminds me factorio actually made me more knowledgeable at the field im majoring in, like this assignment i did yesterday is kinda similar to how production lines would go

[low scroll]

In my experience actual engineering kind of uses the same energy that Factorio does, so often I'll be doing it instead of Factorio

[vast prawn]

Anybody that doesnt like the 35€ price tag, should take a look at Elden Ring. The DLC costs 40€ and most people dont complain.
Its about half of the content the base game was.

Factorio Space Age is atleast as much as the base game.

[vast gale]

Heres a hint

[low scroll]

Elden Ring will go on sale, though

[vast gale]

you keep mentioning Elden Ring like its the gold standard....

[shadow magnet]

Jetbrains, Slack, and ??

[vast gale]

Docker

[vast prawn]

Well FromSoftware should be the Gold Standard for AAA Studios

[last plaza]

Yeah the fact that factorio will never be in sale is also a huge part of people worrying about pricing I suppose

[low scroll]

I appreciate some part of the lack of sales

but there are definite downsides

[shadow magnet]

It's definitely not a whim game

[low scroll]

I haven't played Elden Ring and I don't know too much about it, but it comes off as a very meaty game

Sales aren't all about whims

[visual sail]

I think that's fair; I've been looking at rimworld for a long time, and if it ever had a large sale, I might pick it up, but I don't know if I'd get enough out of it at full price

but factorio has a demo to combat this effect

[slow finch]

Thanks to Haddock's Crying, The Wube Devs decided to take the work they did (3 years worth) and charge $15 a decent dlc price but you also have to buy 2 other versions of it over the next 3 years and only get access to 1/3 of it a year 😉

[prisma jay]

make it 1/4 for each planet

[slow finch]

good point

[stuck reef]

I am just too curious not to ask: For anyone who does not want to buy the expansion because it is too expensive. Would you buy a Factorio 2 sequel, which is it's own game, with an improved Factorio engine + space age content, however at the price of 40 to maybe even 50 since this sequel is now significantly bigger than Factorio 1?
I'm genuinely curious what people's impressions of that idea are

[slow finch]

Because this is what dlc's / micro transactions really look like and act... Especially the time they put into it.

[vestal garnet]

nah just split it into 3 dlcs: elevated rails, quality and space-age which all cost 15€ independently and space-age requires you to have them all :P

[low scroll]

I think the expansion is better because of what it means for modding

[slow finch]

How do you improve god tier engine tbh? lol Cloud based AI 😛 ?

[visual sail]

0.99 USD per new technology 😛

[shadow magnet]

Many would pay $10 for

[last plaza]

Microtransactions in factorio....

[low scroll]

10 dollars for a steel chest of iron plates

[vast gale]

and you can only research 4 technologies per day unless you pay for more

[low scroll]

but if you buy now it's 5 dollars

[slow finch]

$5 to air drop a ore patch

[stuck reef]

(I intentionally worded it that way to make it sound more different. What I described would literally just be the expansion, but sold as a sequel)

[shadow magnet]

$10 for
$10 for
$15 for Spage

[low scroll]

Anyway, I'll probably get it, I'm just worried what the 70 dollar price tag means for player acquisition

I would like other people to also be playing this

[visual sail]

wube seems like they're doing ok, though

[slow finch]

I think the thing is the new player acquisition is low now and we should try to encourage new players to buy the base game and only try it first. If they like it come back another day.

[last plaza]

average people who are new to automation genre would be hesitant to buy factorio (even it's been called as the prime definition of automation game) tbh
since it has """bad graphic"""
too expensive compared to other games which goes on sale frequently

so I'd have to agree on this

[visual sail]

so we direct them to the demo

[shadow magnet]

Demo, 2.0, Spage

[last plaza]

factorio isn't the only game that has demo... no? (I'm not familiar with other automation games)

[lost lynx]

Spage

[shadow magnet]

Shapez 2 has a demo

[vast gale]

I played Beltmatic for a bit, it was pretty good

[lost lynx]

The reason i prefer factorio over most is just how like, theres so much to do constantly

Youre constantly working to get to a certain goal

[vast gale]

true, Shapez and Beltmatic feel more like idle games

[lost lynx]

However if i reach rockets and launch my first, i doubt i'll keep the same world

[shadow magnet]

More chill

Spage prefers a new run

[lost lynx]

Maybe i'll keep it a bit more just to automate rocket launches but after that, i'll prob start a new world

[vast gale]

but grow the factory must.

[lost lynx]

Cuz i dont like just doing more work just to see numbers grow, i gotta work for something like the research

But

[vast gale]

thats fair. I have 65 world saves lol

[lost lynx]

I think ill most likely but the space age expansion solely cuz of this

Cuz even once you reach rockets

There is still much, much to do

[shadow magnet]

They specifically want every planet to have a unique challenge to it

[visual sail]

to be fair, you reach rockets a lot faster

[shadow magnet]

But if you want you can really megabase there

[lost lynx]

Atm in my current world im juggling between a constant rts-style war with biters (with aai programmable vehicles) and expanding my science production facilities to get more research

[shadow magnet]

2.0 had the RTS tool for easy commands

[low scroll]

I think a lower base price than expansion price would be quite provocative

[vast gale]

I just started last night a new playthrough mostly vanilla with a few QoL mods like Even Distribution, and Bottleneck

[visual sail]

maybe we'll see a "game of the year" bundle with both for, say, 60 USD

[lost lynx]

And thats what i enjoy the most, once i get to the endgame it kind of gets rudimentary, so space age for me is gonna be a must which is why i'll likely get it

[slow finch]

Just look at the assets here

Worth the price!

[last plaza]

nah I don't like that space age font lol

[slow finch]

Fine, because that their not going let you construct / place the font in the vanillas game. You ruined it for everyone

[shadow magnet]

Unlikely. It would imply you should get them together.

[terse nebula]

Yeaaaa 😭

Said the same doesn’t fit

[lost lynx]

Okay yeah the image loaded and the sauce is right

That font is so odd 😭

Literally unplayable im leaving a negative review rn

[zinc arrow]

i think a nice crisp 25 would be cool

[shadow magnet]

Just add 10 and you'll get the price!

[zinc arrow]

that’s not the point man the main game is the same price

[lost lynx]

Would it be ethical to rob someone for factorio space age money

[shadow magnet]

Nope

But try to automate it and it'll be fine

[lost lynx]

Yeah

[shadow magnet]

Well the expansion has similar amount of new content compared to vanilla

So, ignoring mods, it makes sense to cost similarly

[dim axle]

that's $0.1 per hour

[dim axle]

It's the same size as the game (if not a smidge bigger) - why is this unreasonable?

[chilly sinew]

considering it's an upgrade to the game, they should charge more for it 😉

[terse nebula]

what’s enjoyment base upon?

0 to 10?

[full valley]

it gon be 1 billion dolla

[last plaza]

just found this video about how to buy your games cheaper lol

[dense tendon]

Factorio is probably the only game this doesn't work on.

[last plaza]

yeah, I couldn't find a game that has no sale policy as well

[dim axle]

I respect their no sale policy a lot.

If I was some sort of dictator of the world I would make them illegal

'sales' are just a two-tier unfair pricing system and reward a lot of bad behaviors (IE waiting to buy)

[vast gale]

Sorry my bad, so my 2000 hours is only $0.0175 / hr

best investment ever

[shadow magnet]

Even just doing a single run puts you at less than 1$/hour... Which is considered a good time/price value

If anything it's games like Hollow Knight which are criminally underpriced

I bought it for $15 thinking it's a short 10-15 hour game and it was 40 full of content.

I hope Silksong is like $40

[dim axle]

going to see a movie is like $20 at best

The idea that space age should be cheaper than 2 trips to a movie theater is... absurd imo

I think gamers are, price wise, the most entitled and, frankly, annoying customers on the planet.

[shadow magnet]

Don't compare to a movie, but rather to similar experiences

[dim axle]

Like?

[shadow magnet]

Other video games

And that others are many times too cheap

e.g. Hollow Knight

[dim axle]

But my entire point is that gamers are expecting dramatically lower prices than any other form of entertainment

so games are precisely what I shouldn't look at

[shadow magnet]

Even compared to games, see Nintendo

Their games don't go down in price

[dim axle]

Yes, I agree that factorio is reasonably priced even compared to other games

I am just saying compared to the entire 'legacy' entertainment market, games are virtually free

I think a large part of why game monetization sucks so much is these behaviors.

[shadow magnet]

I think people have trouble with Factorio because it requires "work"

Buying a "simple" game or watching a movie is a "guaranteed" enjoyment

[dim axle]

maybe for them, but that is not true for me

[shadow magnet]

So people are wary of not liking it

[dim axle]

I 100% agree with you though - that's likely a big part of why.

[shadow magnet]

That's why we need the demo, and why it should be better

[dim axle]

doubly agreed

The thing is, for Space Age specifically, you already know you want it if you've played Factorio and liked it

[last plaza]

Space exploration is the demo for space age

jk

[dim axle]

almost half true

[last plaza]

But I'm sure there's gonna be bootleg mod to be developed that replaces SA so that might attract people to buy it

[lost lynx]

I know i want space age but i had my own reservations abt the price

But its mostly a me thing with my whole value of prices among other things

[dim axle]

For me at least, I can't think of anything else I will pay so little for and use so much.

[last plaza]

Your keyboard and mouse 😛

[dim axle]

Those probably do win slightly!

[lost lynx]

For me its a case of "does the expansion really have enough content to justify the price?" And no words can answer this question for me

[dim axle]

My mouse is like $90 though

[lost lynx]

I have to wait till space age drops and i see reviews/footage/articles abt it

[dim axle]

Is 'as much content as the base game' not a good enough answer?

[lost lynx]

Nope

Cuz yeah that sounds cool

But im skeptical of the validity of that claim

Its the type of question the can only be answered by myself, in my own opinion

[dim axle]

I'm inversely skepitcal of it. I think it will take longer to master SA than it did 1.1

[lost lynx]

Oh def

[dim axle]

I think it's likely to be a lot more fun - but a lot of that is because of 2.0 anyways.

IE I think it will be tons more fun than 1.1, but probably not as extreme compared to 2.0

2.0 is really a huge step up from 1.1

[lost lynx]

Although theres no denying just... space expansion is gonna be so fucking awesome

[dim axle]

I have been hardcore analyzing Space Age for 10 months now, and I still can't cohesively and coherently explain all of it's systems and how they interact.

@frank thicket can probably echo this sentiment

[terse nebula]

Cause we´ve seen what they want, we’ve been comoletely nitpicked from the start

[lost lynx]

I think its why people were so critical of it being paid dlc, most i heard that complained (including me) were ones who usually have difficulty getting enough money for games, they WANT space expansion but hate the extra hurdle they need to get through to get it

[dim axle]

Cost of living is so high that $35 seems sorta like a rounding error to me. If I accidently bought Space Age, I wouldn't notice.

Maybe I shouldn't assume that every factorio player has a job though, for what it's worth.

[frank thicket]

tbh I would subscribe patreon just to read the fff

[lost lynx]

Not always a lack of job and moreso other things iswell

[dim axle]

Even at the cheapest jobs in the US ($10-11/h) it's <4h of work to afford

[lost lynx]

IM NOT FROM THE US THOUGH !!!

[dim axle]

but you have regional pricing in that case

I expect it to still work out to be around 4h

But I supoose there is an aire of privledge in my claims. I'm a relatively highly paid tech worker in the US.

[lost lynx]

Well its basically a case that average wages here (after converting to dollar) is 530$ per month and average rent is about 5k so gg

[dim axle]

rent is 5k per month?!

[lost lynx]

One of the housing crisis moments of all time, yes

[dim axle]

I don't even believe you. that would mean you're negative $4500/m

[lost lynx]

Yah thats the thing im not the one paying the rent thankfully

I'd be homeless so fast

[dim axle]

bro where do you even live 😢

[lost lynx]

Saudia, basically a thing happened here where the government basically demolished like a significant number of old housing blocks to replace with new ones (they havent done that yet)

As a result the housing prices skyrocketed absurdly high

i wont get too into it

That'd be talking politics

[dim axle]

On the bright side, space age is 0.07% of your rent

[lost lynx]

TRUE

[dim axle]

IE as I said a rounding error

I think if you're interested you'll see the value proposition once it comes out

[lost lynx]

Yea, I'm pumped for it

[dim axle]

I want to be a bit more careful navigating the pricing debate though; I have realized that for me it's <30m to afford it, which means I might not be in the best position to evaluate it correctly.

[lost lynx]

Its inevitable i suppose, i'd assume its different for person to person

[dim axle]

Well, realistically my 'fair price' is like $1000+

[lost lynx]

In my case i can scrounge around for the money but i can imagine someone just flat out cant buy it

[lost lynx]

Buy 3,000 dollar pc, with triple monitors just to solely play factorio

Although youre like a software engineer so like i think you already have that unironically lmao

[dim axle]

haha I should really soon

right now I dev from a 15 inch laptop 😳

[lost lynx]

Technically its a business investment for you!

Explain it to the IRS theyll believe you trust me

[dim axle]

I have contract income on top of my employment income so I actually can write it off

That's like, not a joke!

If I bought a $3000 PC I would 110% write that off

[lost lynx]

Trust me IRS accountant these rgb lights are crucial for my software development

[lost lynx]

Honestly based

[dim axle]

You really don't have to tell them exactly

you almost say as little as "I paid X for Y"

[lost lynx]

Ye i imagine so

[dim axle]

and if it doesn't look completely stupid, their response is 'meh'

I'm seriously considering buying one of the Ryzen X3D chips to run my megabase on though

[lost lynx]

Speaking of im going to work in software engineering in the future

Im studying it in uni

[dim axle]

:) always happy to welcome more to the cult profession

[lost lynx]

Yep!!

[dim axle]

Factorio I think both attracts and makes those types

[lost lynx]

Back to the price topic: would everyone buy space age expansion for 377$ (again)

[dim axle]

That's hitting at the price where it would be 'think about it' territory

If it was really $377 I wouldn't make the argument it is underpriced anymore.

I would probably personally still buy it

But that is more a factor of relative privilege and interest than objectively fair pricing.

[frank thicket]

I would be like “damn that’s expensive, take my money!”

[dim axle]

I'm in the top 20% of US earners and I've been spending at least an hour a day thinking about space age for a year. I'm just not a good person to ask such a question.

IE unfair

I wonder how much 'money' I've spent on Space Age if you count my time spent speculating as work :P @frank thicket

[frank thicket]

[dim axle]

It would probably make me sick to my stomach if I even had the numbers to calculate such a thing

[frank thicket]

u must have spent a lot of ‘money’ on sleeping

[dim axle]

That's unavoidable though

every hour I sleep, I could not be working. I have to sleep.

But every hour spent here is an hour I could be writing code

so the price is 'real' in a way

although arguably dev productivity does not correlate linearly with time...

@lost lynx I guess your answer is a clear no. You would not buy it for $377

[frank thicket]

u could have spent time writing bugs if I understand a little bit of coding

[dim axle]

Really depends on the project though, some are definately time constrained.

If it's solving a bunch of novel problems that require lots of thinking... you basically don't get more done if you exert yourself past a certain number of hours

If it's mostly business logic and just adding a bunch of menial things (most development!) you really can work for 12h straight without losing much productivity

[lost lynx]

Splendid

[lost lynx]

@terse nebula we should make the rich pay for all our space age expansions !

[terse nebula]

not you my guy

I’m not talking about you

And I still don’t have a way to buy it but I will find it properly, I have time

[lost lynx]

i know !

[shy ridge]

space age pricing is very reasonable IMO

just the mechanics we've been shown in FFFs more than double the size of the game realistically speaking

[dim axle]

yes, albeit many of those are coming to 2.0

so the distance from 2.0 to SA is still only like 2x

[oak hinge]

I’m not sure where my opinion on the pricing belongs but here it is:

I think the DLC is relatively expensive but fair. To me, a lot of games take advantage of their modern-day ability to inject new content into an existing game to squeeze money out of players. The biggest culprit being cosmetics, but also things as simple as disproportionately low amounts of content, in comparison to how much your dollar would get you in another game.

Factorio’s base game pricing vs DLC pricing being the same price is definitely controversial, as it’s usually only done by game producers with arguably less desire for quality than an average indie gamedev. As with Factorio’s pricing model to never go on sale, I think this DLC not being afraid to be “expensive” relative to the base game idea because of the amount of content it provides, is a pricing model I would like to support and see more of in the future. Of course, hard to tell whether or not this has enough impact to someday down the line pioneer such trends, but I would like to allow the chance.

Personally, I see comments here and there about how it’s industry standard to discount games after a while, or have DLCs be plentiful but cheap, or bundle items together. I personally think you should simply buy what you think is fair based off content, and not by expectation of pricing based off your experiences with other modern day games.

I do recognize that I come from a position of being financially comfortable enough to be able to spare this kind of money, but things like wanting to play but not affording 35 while in school are real issues that I faced as well, and I personally plan on offering help to my IRL friends in situations like this.

[visual sail]

yeah, I think a lot of it boils down to that there's a lot of poor-quality DLCs out there

[dim axle]

Yeah, people are thinking 'DLC' and hearing '$35' and saying 'wtf'

[visual sail]

add up all the DLCs for Fallout 4, for example, and it's more than the price of the base game, but with perhaps 25% of the content (and maybe one or two small new mechanics)

[oak hinge]

Sometimes you see people here justifying the price in terms of content by some arbitrary metric and such, but I personally feel the best way to help assuage these people’s concerns (and you should approach them with the goal of helping them, not necessarily selling SA!) would be to point them in the direction for them to learn (in the case of factorio, the FFF blogposts and now possibly steam page) and leave the ultimate decision up to them

Providing your own anecdotal experience and background is fine and proper, but it’s not a particularly good argument to me, since all it really says to me is that you’re someone who knows you’ll like it and will enjoy the DLC, it doesn’t necessarily convince me that I will like it, and so anecdotal experience should only be used to supplement one’s argument

[oak hinge]

Well not necessarily poor quality, but definitely not priced as fairly between the consumer and supplier equally. One example is battlepasses that simply provide cosmetics.

[dim axle]

I think we need to focus on expressing the fact that this isn't a traditional DLC. This is an expansion that is almost bigger than the game itself in terms of mechanics.

[oak hinge]

No, I don’t think the DLC vs expansion label matters very much in the grand scheme of things

[dim axle]

Well - I do! A lot of people hear "They made a DLC" and imagine an incremental increase of +15% more content.

[oak hinge]

At least personally, that is just semantics, like the difference between a grilled cheese and a melt. Sure, there’s technically a difference, but it’s not going to convince someone who hates cheese to start eating it lol

[dim axle]

The difference is way bigger than that, what?

[oak hinge]

Fundamentally these two just mean “more content” in today’s context, regardless of what meanings they held in the past

[shadow magnet]

Elden Ring DLC is $40 and it wasn't a problem because it's a huge DLC

Wube believe in "you want to play the game? so buy and play it" vs "the game is now on sale! buy it now on a whim, even if you don't really want to play it"

[oak hinge]

Maybe a better example is Factorio’s base game being technically a mod, even though it’s not called one outside the factorio circles, it’s called vanilla/base game/main game etc.

[oak hinge]

The only thing I wish this model better addressed was financial inequality, but I don’t know of a model that doesn’t encourage impulse buying that allows the financial inequality to be less impactful

Regional pricing is one thing, wish there were a way to have student pricing etc.

[shadow magnet]

Well students should spend their time studying rather than playing Factorio

[oak hinge]

That’s a whole different debate haha. Adults should spend their time supporting their families instead of playing factorio.

[shadow magnet]

Adults should handle their finances well enough that they could spare $35 over 6 months

Of course sometimes the system is shitty like in the US with healthcare, but it's not Wube's fault

[dim axle]

did you know that not all adults have families?

but all students have studying to do

[oak hinge]

Is this really what this argument is going to boil down to lol

[dim axle]

I mean, the 'argument' is fundamentally centered around money

[visual sail]

I'd consider those poor quality, honestly

[oak hinge]

Yes, I agree

[dim axle]

I'm surprised that everyone is surprised by the SA price though

They said "$30, as that is the price of the base game"

It feels a bit to me like most people stopped reading after the ','

[visual sail]

I do think the surprise is in part due to the DLC label

[oak hinge]

Why, it’s far from the norm and Factorio’s player base is likely bigger than just AAA gamers used to these things

[dim axle]

Expansions are far from the norm though.

[oak hinge]

It’s like you being surprised that people are surprised at wube’s choice to not discount the game

[dim axle]

What Factorio is doing is not common

[visual sail]

it'd be interesting to see what would have happened if wube had just released it as factorio 2, for, say, 60 USD

[oak hinge]

I do too, maybe I could have worded it better

[dim axle]

arguably that's not a fair comparison. that would need be $70

I think that would make people who bought 1.0 mad, but would somehow make people who haven't happier. (which is your point)

[shadow magnet]

Releasing it as Factorio 2 for $60 would piss off all the playerbase

[last plaza]

Factorio 2, but if you have Factorio 1 then we can give you a 50% discount.

[dim axle]

people would probably prefer this unironically

[oak hinge]

I think we are on the same side and you may be reading into the fact that you might be “uh actually-ing” what is meant to be a simple analogy into viewing us as being on the opposing sides

[visual sail]

yep, this would probably do it

[oak hinge]

It’s like me saying “everybody has 2 arms” and you go “but some people have had arms amputated”

[dim axle]

I think your analogy was very much a false equivalence. I am of agreement that student should be able to play the game though.

[lost lynx]

and make factorio 2 70$

after discount would be 35$

[dim axle]

yup

[lost lynx]

easy asf

[shadow magnet]

Also, let players with Factorio 1 and Factorio 2 play with each other as long as they don't use the Factorio 2 specific features

[oak hinge]

It’s a shame that people are reflexive enough to buy things then the neurons activate at the sight of discount rather than think for a second, especially for something they can buy at any time

[terse nebula]

Please tell me what other games have you played so I can judge you thoroughly…

[oak hinge]

When*

[shadow magnet]

Almost as if that's why sales exists when there a no physical shortages/overflows 🙂

[lost lynx]

yes

[oak hinge]

Yea, speaks volumes about society at large

[shadow magnet]

Personally I'm very much against selling Spage together with Factorio. It gives the false idea that they should be played together from the start

[dim axle]

Realistically, playing spage from the start is probably fine even

most players won't know the difference lol

[lost lynx]

when i get space age i will start a new world probably

[dim axle]

please do

[lost lynx]

I may just not play the game until then i think

[dim axle]

so many people think they're going to use their existing save. They're all going to have a very subpar experience.

[lost lynx]

yeah because by then its just going to be hunting for new features

[dim axle]

Even for 2.0 - it's best to restart

this is a huge update and you should take time to appreciate how they've overhauled every part of it

Even the early game is different

[lost lynx]

MAN IM GETTING TOO EXCITED FOR THIS SHIT ITS NOT EVEN AUGUST YET

DAMN YOU ALL

[last plaza]

someone knock me off so I can wake up on october 21st

[oak hinge]

Can’t say should or should not be played together speaking broadly, but I do think its best played separately, and I’m really trying to convince my friends who want to try it, to p,ay sooner rather than later to not be overwhelmed

[dim axle]

all caps excited and still not sure about pricing

I think 2.0 + SA is a better game

[last plaza]

If they played automation games before then I think it's ok to play together first time

[dim axle]

if I had a friend who has already played the factory games and loves them, I'd suggest it.

If they haven't and don't know - play 1.1 first.

If they don't like it; they wouldn't have gotten to the SA stuff anyways!

[oak hinge]

I think all the games scale differently so the difference in experience can translate to difference in enjoyment

[dim axle]

SA and 2.0 are identical up until a point

[shadow magnet]

Well

no

[oak hinge]

Yeah I’m always willing to let them play on my machine but there’s only so much you can do

[shadow magnet]

They diverge even before

[dim axle]

What are the divergences before?

[oak hinge]

Do they diverge meaningfully

[shadow magnet]

e.g. and

[dim axle]

Yeah that is kinda my point

[shadow magnet]

So yea same until

[dim axle]

the divergences are not best seen as discrete, but continuous

I think red+green science is enough to know if you'll like the game.

[shadow magnet]

i.e. the demo? 😄

[dim axle]

the demo doesn't get to green sci does it?

[last plaza]

it gets to green sci

[shadow magnet]

though I really wish for a better demo with optional peaceful mode

[oak hinge]

Unfortunately the demo is more biter heavy than the main game is

Exactly

[shadow magnet]

it definitely does. You need to invent car in map4 and in map5

[dim axle]

I have played a much earlier form of the demo then

was it overhauled

[last plaza]

maybe idk I played demo on 2017

[shadow magnet]

oh you played the plane demo?

[dim axle]

I don't even think there was a plane yet

[shadow magnet]

plane is the previous one

[dim axle]

when I played I remember it being a very tiny map, and doing just a few researches and that was all

I had nothing else to do

[shadow magnet]

Probably you stopped after map 3 or 4

[dim axle]

I did all the maps

[last plaza]

must be super early one or doing only the first maps

[dim axle]

but maybe my memory just isn't perfect

seems more likely

[last plaza]

or that map 3,4,5 didn't exist at that time

[dim axle]

I never made a car

[shadow magnet]

? ever? or just not in the demo

[dim axle]

not in the demo I don't think

I've made tons out cars outside demo

[lost quest]

for a brief time the map was much more heavily scripted and ended with a huge attack wave after doing a few researches; this was planned to be a sort of style of a campaign, but then deemed not worth the investment compared to making Free Play the focus

[icy nest]

I’m easily dumping a few thousand hours into space age

Soooo I’m excited

[shy ridge]

same

[dim axle]

@grizzled ice what do you mean by ‘sounds like an expansion’

[grizzled ice]

nvm

I discussed it with others in a vc

[velvet crypt]

As easy as it is to put an elephant into a fridge

Only 3 steps needed: Open the fridge, put the elephant in it, close the fridge

[dry kayak]

As some1 that enjoys the Vanilla experience, I can't wait for the day when the DLC releases, and for it to be a honeymoon experience of childhood joy all over again. As some1 invested, I find the price to be fair.

I do agree with the others that it's becoming a bit of an expensive hobby to convince the rest of my friend group to join though~ Paying an additional 35$ is not a lot. If there are several other paid additions in the future, it'll all but be an exclusive club where newcomers will likely take a look, and decide not to partake. Honestly speaking, I'm not sure what the best decision would be to solve this. I love my indies cheap, but I also want Wube to enjoy their years worth of labor finally paying off. I have my fingers crossed that there will be answers to this with the FFFs that follow.

[oak hinge]

I think part of that is because the normal perception of a DLC is some fraction of a game's content, rather than arguably greater in content than the base game itself (disregarding arguments about "fractions can be greater than 1!" or "the base game is just the engine" etc.)

Just in case I've imagined a problem, I meant that the case where people look at The Game (tm) being The Base Game + All The DLCs rather than simply The Base Game, and in that case if every DLC is priced like The Base Game then "The Game" would scale up in price significantly faster than any other game I personally know and in all likelihood faster than almost all games out there

[dim axle]

Being completely direct - SA is going to be the last factorio expansion.

[dry kayak]

absolutely, really interested in how they proceed afterwards.

[distant lark]

Bugfixes and touchups for Space Age. I'd honestly be very surprised if we got another expansion of the same size and scope as Space Age after this, unless it extends to more planets or something.

[frank thicket]

I can only imagine more solar systems and go interstellar

gas giants, black hole, neutron star

[velvet crypt]

That's modding territory imo

[lucid cairn]

i mean, isnt that what SE is?

just a "mod" of SA?

[oak hinge]

Technically it’s a mod of 1.1 right now

But I think this is off topic for this thread

[teal frost]

Why's the price the same of the base game?

[last plaza]

erm because they set the prices as so?

if you're saying that because it's too expensive, then you should maybe check out the FFF's been going around about the DLC

[woven tinsel]

Okay and? $70 for factorio is not much

[woven tinsel]

Yes

I woukd

Not the 377$ in brl, but the steam conversion

[shadow magnet]

Because it has as much new content as the base game has

It pretty much doubles the content, so it's priced the same

[teal frost]

Where can I read about thid new content

Maybe i didnt search properly

[last plaza]

Read the FFF or watch the video on it by trupen
https://youtu.be/QHhkriF14D0?si=anpG4IUE0SiruwVy

[shadow magnet]

Start from https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-373 and go up to 418 which is the current

The main things are:

• Multiple planets
• Space platforms
• Many new buildings
• New mechanics on these new planets
• Elevated rails
• Quality system

[teal frost]

Thank you

[steady swan]

!s warn rule 1

[neat current]

@dememzea warned

Reason: rule 1
Duration: 30 days, 10 hours and 30 minutes

[steady swan]

!s warn rule 1

[neat current]

@yorqat.com warned

Reason: rule 1
Duration: 30 days, 10 hours and 30 minutes

[inner skiff]

Reminds me of rimworld, base game is like $20, but it's like $70 with all the DLC

as far as factorio goes, I think $30/35 is fine. The nice part with factorio/ rimword is you'll know if you like the base game for the most part without buying all the DLC.

[velvet crypt]

I'm okay with the DLC being somewhat more expensive than base game

Because I've already completed base game, and I know the DLC will be worth it

[steady swan]

It's the exact same price, not more expensive.

Unless you are referring to what you historically paid for the game, of course

[velvet crypt]

I was saying "what if they priced the dlc higher than base game"

[steady swan]

Ah

[velvet crypt]

I did buy the game early and paid less for that. But I'm in a good financial position, and the game has proved its worth to me, so I'll buy the dlc anyway.

[warped rose]

sa is probably fairly priced but i'm not buying it day 1 obviously i trust wube but i'm still waiting at bare minimum a few days to find out if it's good and worth the money

[shadow magnet]

That's incredibly reasonable

[icy nest]

Kinda curious what kind of day 1 bugs will be out there too

I already have a dedicated playthrough planned every Wednesday for the game

So I’ll have at least 2 days before that for them to clean anything potentially game breaking up

But I don’t think that’s going to stop me from buying it as soon as it’s available lol

[shadow magnet]

They have a good track record with bugs, but they never had a release this huge

[velvet crypt]

I'll probably buy ASAP but put off playing until I finish my current modded playthroughs

Seablock will probably take quite some time to get ported

[warped rose]

then why buy it before you will play it

i doubt receiving the money from sa a few days earlier would meaningfully affect them

[vast prawn]

As somebody that experienced every major release of this game so far, I can say there are sometimes Day 1 bugs that break the game, but when then they are fixed in hours after report.
The first days/weeks after release had always a ton of subversion release to fix bugs, that the devs just didnt find.
The community is a master at finding bugs, which are sometimes so weird, that it just makes you scratch your head.

[dim axle]

how is this related to pricing

[vast prawn]

Its related to the things sayed before.

[woven tinsel]

I'm kinda lucky about the day 1 bugs, I have ENEM to study to, and it's on 3/11 and 10/11, so i might not even buy it before then, and will certainly not play it