polar monolith
I haven't reached 1M SPM yet, but I might get there before we release :). ```
https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-417
Is quality that amazing? Are bulk inserters and the fluid rework that much faster? How are we currently stuck at 10-20KSPM with UPS optimized designs? How do we get to 1M SPM?
mystic glacier
A major update comes with new optimizations and the developers have game developer grade computers
polar monolith
If optimizations are the reason I'm surprised they managed 10x.
surreal ingot
Yeah I'm really surprised at 1M SPM
I would have been impressed at 100k SPM but 1M is crazy
candid carbon
Always keep in mind about 400% productivity, that some builds became 10 times faster (and 3 times more productive), and there are new buildings which are about 20 times faster than all else
But what is amazing is that 1M spm justs sounds so clean, perfect target for x1000 science run
mellow hinge
Foundry and EMP do the heavy lifting.
Lab productivity goes from +20% to +50% iirc, a 25% increase.
and .. factory size has been measured in science packs consumed so far. The science produced is a new metric.
Could that be a hint at a science productivity research? 
unborn tendon
That’s not a hint. That’s confirmed already. Don’t remember in which FFF.
unborn tendon
As there are more and more FFFs, I am in this scenario more and more often where this exchange happens:
A: that’s cool, is that evidence we will have X in 2.0/SA?
Me: that is already in 2.0/SA <FFF link<
A: oh yeah I remember now
It’s truly a testament to just how much is changing
candid carbon
And just imagine all the changes not mentioned we will only know at release
carmine sparrow
1M spm before it was cool. 😎
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/survival-crafting/factorio-world-record-server-god-factory/
candid carbon
Yeah, but that was modded as I get it.
1 vanilla MSPM will work at 3 UPS in the best scenario on most powerful cpu
carmine sparrow
I think even that is optimistic because the power requirement was enormous which meant a few enormous solar fields and they are memory hungry
candid carbon
Well, I think 128 gigs are enough, as I get they are loaded once and then just sleeping
unborn tendon
I think even that is optimistic because the power requirement was enormous which...
Memory is no issue. These can be moved to page file.
candid carbon
Yeah, eventually even on low RAM os moves all imporant to memory while pushing all not so crucial to pagefile
carmine sparrow
Nah ultimately needs to be processed which leads to the CPU waiting which reduces UPS
unborn tendon
Not true
candid carbon
How about we just test it?
unborn tendon
Solars don’t get touched
it has been tested. Check mulark’s benchmark site
this exact thing has been tested
carmine sparrow
How about we just test it?
sure, would you like a solar world that has 100M panels?
unborn tendon
Yup
candid carbon
sure, would you like a solar world that has 100M panels?
one second
carmine sparrow
do you have more than 64gb of memory?
otherwise you wont be able to load into it 😄
candid carbon
No, but I can slam the pagefale
carmine sparrow
candid carbon
Damn... I really need 2nd stick of 16gb. I have 16gb of ddr5 4800 and 20 gigs of pagefile on nvme
unborn tendon
Damn we’re really going to need to make that much solar
candid carbon
How much solar? 1 TW?
unborn tendon
This isn’t hypothetical anymore
candid carbon
How much solar? 1 TW?
Rough approximation it will be 10 TW needed for 1M SPM
unborn tendon
Not sure how much 20kspm uses, but at least 10-15x that i would guess
1 TW seems about right then yea
carmine sparrow
nope
candid carbon
As I remember 20k uses about 200 GW
unborn tendon
Reminder: SA science should be much more power efficient due to the prod all over the place
candid carbon
Akara is waiting for region cloner to do the job
carmine sparrow
unborn tendon
This is a benchmark of your OS more than anything haha
Kovarex is measuring researched
you see the problem :P
That could mean 1 SPM
candid carbon
https://grafana.eternitycluster.com/d/TkNhdE1nz24power/electricity?orgId=1&from=...
I am sorry. what is this? What base is this?
carmine sparrow
I am sorry. what is this? What base is this?
It was the Eternity Cluster run
candid carbon
I still wonder why cannot multiple surfaces be computed in multithread
carmine sparrow
I agree it seems more clean cut doing that deterministically, but it needs to the built that way from the get go
1.72GB save file of that world..
https://www.hornwitser.no/eternity-saves/instances/solar_05/saves/
candid carbon
It was the Eternity Cluster run
Also, you own a dedicated server. May I know which one?
candid carbon
🫠 fine, I guess I am satisfied with that. Hope everything is working flawlessly
candid carbon
*Akara is waiting for region cloner to do the job*
Attempt has failed miserably as I've used about 32 gigs of ram only for Factorio, and it is still not done
mellow hinge
There was no need to differentiate the two before. I expect "science produced" to replace "science packs produced" after the release.
gilded bramble
How much solar? 1 TW?
Qual doesn't increase the power consumption, so I think it will be much lower in SA
I wonder how will the power sources in Fulgora and Gleba affect UPS
mellow hinge
Quality does not, but the fancy new machines are definitely much more power hungry.
surreal ingot
More specifically I think it'll be lower relative to your production