High Science Multiplier

[mossy saddle]

xd

[pseudo echo]

also, a lot of those power poles are legacy that risk breaking shit if removed

and it's kinda cool having a remnant of the old intel I2700 that is visible

[modern citrus]

And onward to my first non-Nauvis planet!

[steep spindle]

finally got online

[modern citrus]

Space science, getting it to a decent “tech cost x1k” level, was annoying. Puzzling out another planet’s science now

[steep spindle]

I may have found something to help it, but I want to test it first

[mossy saddle]

How much are we producing

[steep spindle]

It's a slow 300/m but still building it

[pseudo echo]

alright

ive put it off long enough

it is gleba time

oh yeah this is gonna be fun

so many of the fuckers

[mossy saddle]

That's decent how much are you aiming for?

[steep spindle]

900

for this platform till I can get thrusters

then I'm going to build a moving platform

[elder rover]

I did that in rimworld recently

was like 415 hours in 2 weeks

or 3 weeks

[modern citrus]

Fairly certain you have to have somewhere to move to; I made a massive armed platform that does not move for my space science. Have to double check but I’ve been consistent at over 3k/min

Not quite the 3600 spm I wanted; I need to remove the prod modules from my labs if I wanted to achieve that rate of production/conaumption

Lab speed of 2.4 w/o modules is enough for 3600 spm; 2.14 with the prod 1’s means I don’t achieve that rate

[pseudo echo]

i personally made a 200 ish SPM stationary platform (i couldnt prove that increasing the size increased the asteriod spawning) then stamped it down a shitload of times

[modern citrus]

I think I put several hundred collectors on each of the three long arms (the arm to the north is ridiculously short in comparison)

[plucky panther]

the spawning isn't increased, but by having a bigger collection radius you can catch more of them since they all spawn on the edge with random trajectory

that obviously plateaus at some point where it's no longer worth increasing the size. So, bigger works well, but more of them is generally more worthwhile

[pseudo echo]

ahh

[modern citrus]

I dont know how large you can make the platform. The central section of mine was large enough for me to double the solar panels, and it can produce 3600 space science per minute, if I can catch enough asteroid chunks. I just have not checked on it in the past million-and-a-half science so not sure if its at full capacity or if I need to extend the arms even further

Took a trip to another planet (on another, moving platform) and returned to nauvis for some things I’d neglected to bring : some conbots, a bunch of logibots, ports, and logistics chests

Brought back some tech that will delay my return to the other planet, but that’s a good thing. Gearing myself up with all Rare stuff will help; upgrading the turrets on my ship to Rare will also help

[pseudo echo]

the platform max size is a million in each direction, and a few hundred up

i currently have 5 ish platforms really to supply Gleba with shit

im doing the Python approach and importing everythingbecause i CBA to set up production on this god foresaking planet

[modern citrus]

I’m not afraid to make return trips…

Though I will set up a hauler vessel to carry a ton of science (I’m thinking 5 minutes worth; 18000 in total per trip) for each of the planets to carry science back to nauvis

[pseudo echo]

it is very easy to make a massive hauler with help from quality

my science haulers are 400k science

[modern citrus]

I’m sure. I just dont see a real need; if the turnaround time is a minute or so, then 5 minutes is overkill

[modern citrus]

Just checked my space platform; I had maintained around 3.1k for over 10 hours

[steep spindle]

i finally got mine to full power

[mossy saddle]

tomorrow I'll probably have my full base back up and running again

with a steady 3.6k spm

[modern citrus]

Gonna be … interesting .. getting this planet to a decent science output. Especially without having gotten purple or yellow science yet

Elevated rails would be soooo handy about now

[pseudo echo]

time to begin work on the gleba base

fr this time

[pseudo echo]

5 hours or so to get the materials to build the gleba base

sigh

[pseudo echo]

gleba base is such a fucking slog to get materials for
gonna work on fulgora in the mean time i guess

[modern citrus]

I mighta dun goofed… I turned Nauvis resources up but don’t think I turned up the other planets resources… so getting 3.6 kspm those sciences will be problematic

[pseudo echo]

oh god

oh no

[pseudo echo]

if you did, then you dun goofed

[steep spindle]

Might be restart with asteroid cranked too

I'm researching Vulcanus or I'd be restarting with that

[steep spindle]

going to Vulcanus soon

adding more to it

[steep spindle]

gotta go to bed but 190hrs later the ship has everything but turbines ready

[spark idol]

You gotta get more rockets if it’s taking this long

[pseudo echo]

busy finishing the gleba base

unfortunately there was a resource starvation that lead to a deadlock so i lost a lot of time on construction materials

thankfully i can restart it remotely

[pseudo echo]

sigh
i have to visit gleba anyway to activate the base

[pseudo echo]

first billion

[steep spindle]

I have 3 right now, don't have the blue chips or prod modules to support more

[pseudo echo]

gleba base is begining to boot up

[spark idol]

Also note that upgrading robot speed will help a lot

[red scarab]

oh good, there's a whole channel for it. I decided to take up this challenge

so far I have researched electric mining drills and am currently researching logistics 1. I did the math and with my current setup of 120 spm It'd take me 208 minutes just to research electric mining drills

so who's the original 1k-er science-er challenger?

[pseudo echo]

GGs brought it to light but i suspect there were some before

my own completion of the challenge was done without the knowledge that there existed other victors

[modern citrus]

SA or vanilla?

[red scarab]

SA

[steep spindle]

👋

[steep spindle]

It's a fun challenge. Just take things 1 thing at a time

[steep spindle]

big prog today, LANDED on

[pseudo echo]

glhf

[pseudo echo]

gleba

is done

im gonna have ptsd now

[pseudo echo]

gonna get some Fun Stuff™ from Gleba researches soon

[pseudo echo]

:)

[pseudo echo]

time to debut some fancy new toys

[steep spindle]

@long mauve

[long mauve]

fancy fancy!

[steep spindle]

Made it to Vulcanus on dmg 2/speed 2 lol

[pseudo echo]

ah, the big miners

they go extremely well with foundries + beacons

[pseudo echo]

:)

for some reason prod and eff 3 are 300k research but the other 2 are 2 million?

[steep spindle]

I need to get some damage upgrades and capsules to murder that demo so I brought them home, today I'm focusing military science

[pseudo echo]

just spam like 200 turrets

[steep spindle]

I'm only on damage 2*

[pseudo echo]

just spam like 250 turrets

[steep spindle]

🤣. In a line?

[pseudo echo]

in a square

you need to dump huge amounts of damage into them as quickly as possible

they dont have flat dmg resistance, just % resistance

[steep spindle]

And physical is like 50%

[pseudo echo]

you are on vulcanus. all the ingredients for turrets and ammo are infinite

[steep spindle]

True

[pseudo echo]

just confirmed, it is possible to kill them using firespeed and dmg 2

the small ones anyway

you'd need upgrades for the bigger ones if you end up needing the land

[steep spindle]

How big a square?

Did you hand feed all the turrets

[pseudo echo]

just used inserters

basically just this

[steep spindle]

🤔 hmmmm ok I may try that

Thank you

[pseudo echo]

designing of the fulgora base has began

gonna be quite the monstrosity since fulgora megabases the worst by far out of the planets

[pseudo echo]

just had a eureka moment

now time for the grind of designing it

[pseudo echo]

now that im working on fulgora, last of the 3, i can state that vulcanus is the easiest of the planets by a large margin

[spark idol]

Yea absolutely

[pseudo echo]

oof

i might have to redo my entire fulgora base as a result of fulgora's funny electricity problems

[spark idol]

Don’t be afraid to use turbines

Even rocket fuel is worth making

[steep spindle]

first demo is dead

[pseudo echo]

its the water, not the fuel

hm

i got 350 ish MW from spare ice, which can help negate the electricity consumption

[pseudo echo]

ooooooo

i can fit more than enough accumulators

i wont be needing anything fancy to power it

well, this is gonna be expensive

[steep spindle]

Would turning spoil rate down for this be better?

[pseudo echo]

?

oh

well, really depends if you want your Gleba base to be a Shitbox monstrosity (default spoil rate) or a more coherent base (slower spoiling rate)

[steep spindle]

There made me want to restart now tbh

Tbh wouldn't be that bad an idea 300hrs in, but lot of the time I was deciding where to put stuff or how to build it instead of just sending it and fixing it later

[pseudo echo]

it is not a run-killer

[pseudo echo]

first batch of Fulgora science just arrived on Nauvis

[plucky panther]

mech armor

[pseudo echo]

soon

[pseudo echo]

not worth the 7 hours

[steep spindle]

[pseudo echo]

i've still got some things to do on fulgora, power outages but need some fulgora research to fix the outages

[plucky panther]

fair

[pseudo echo]

also gleba base shat the bed for some reason

[pseudo echo]

busy waiting on a fuckton of imports

[pseudo echo]

need to do a bunch of goofy shit to cold start the aquilo base

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

I may end up grabbing logistics network directly after Cliff explosive and then getting yellow/purple online

But what goofy stuff?

[pseudo echo]

||cold start. aquilo has a heating mechanic and solar is... uh... dogshit||

[fathom jungle]

x1k chat:D Ayyyyy

[steep spindle]

[fathom jungle]

cutesy x1k starter base

might consume me for the next 5 years
might be done with it in a week

we'll see

[steep spindle]

xD enjoy it!

[fathom jungle]

[steep spindle]

almost 1 shotting trees

[fathom jungle]

ok either i wait 4 hours for weapon dmg + speed 1 to complete
or i git gud, and kill 2 (!!) nests with basic upgrades

Damn did i miss x1k

[steep spindle]

xD

[long mauve]

I remember the pain.. trying just a 10x now and its very hard to deal with biters

[fathom jungle]

I love how stimulating it is

Can't just lolcheese your way through it
kind of

[long mauve]

yeah

what biter settings do you have?

[fathom jungle]

ignore the gleeba setting, its on. just it doesnt show through /editor rn

[steep spindle]

trying to get the disturb demo achievement

[long mauve]

so pretty much default and more starting size

[fathom jungle]

i wanted pollution, but am afraid of the performance impact

i want biters, and gleebaglobbers, to matter. but i dont want to defend against continuous waves
and i want biter egg spoilage to matter

yh basically just no pollution bc performance

and no expansion

and no peaceful

its easymode, but i do want the gleebaglobbers to matter etc yknow

[long mauve]

yeah I get it, make it a bit of challenge while still being possible

sounds fun!

[fathom jungle]

and not having to set up automated walls and defenses and resupply trains:D

so far its pretty great ngl

but, i just started lmao. radars feel like such a big upgrade

[long mauve]

just dont get comfortable. once biters starting fighting, they fight hard and will overwhelm your base

[fathom jungle]

evolution is cranked the actual down

not gnna get too comfortable, they still dictate space

but its solo, so i can savescum

[fathom jungle]

i tried that. its quite bugged. im not sure how to trigger that

[pseudo echo]

im spending way too much time on fancy lighting for my Aquilo base instead of actualy completing the design

[pseudo echo]

cryo science takes a pluto orbit to craft so i need 50 10 beacon machines

which, on aquilo, equates to a really fucking chonky build

also dun goofed when designing another section of the base and cannot access a resource

[pseudo echo]

im just gonna stamp down an extra section to produce the resource, CBA to spaghetti around the circuit monstrocity that displays some random information about resource counts

[pseudo echo]

Aquilo base is designed, just need to gather materials and finalize the mood lighting

[fathom jungle]

little power upgrade

I missed x1k so much

[fathom jungle]

Quick science doubling 🙂

[steep spindle]

Man Chep, you are cruising!

[fathom jungle]

working on 1800/m

I must admit, it's quite heavily QOL modded. Rate calculator, nanobots......

[pseudo echo]

early construction makes SUCH a massive difference for the first many dozens of hours

hyuh... cold staring the aquilo base is gonna be quite the challenge

[fathom jungle]

yeh. i aint going through that again

[pseudo echo]

hyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the reduced robot battery life on Aquilo is driving me nuts

it takes two and a half centuries to build anything since im waiting for robots to charge

[modern citrus]

More power generation? More ports?

[fathom jungle]

ngl i had no idea aquilo had that effect

The green science is planned out and built now 😄 very satisfying

[steep spindle]

getting vulcanus more online

[steep spindle]

ITS RISING!

[placid epoch]

next time start the research for gleba when u finish fulgora one

so u dont need to wait

[fathom jungle]

Cant wait for train unlock 😍

only takes like 10-15 hrs of science running..should give me some time to set up the basics, lmao

[pseudo echo]

my save file has exceeded 91 MB

[fathom jungle]

how big is your factory? 10.000spm on every planet?

[pseudo echo]

3600 spm

tho, i have explored quite a bit on all the planets

[fathom jungle]

Nice!

ngl if i keep going with this x1000 run, ima need a new pc soon
which would be worth it

[pseudo echo]

im sustaining 3600 SPM, 60 ups, on an i3 11th gen

mainly because of how much i can get out of a single machine after the planets

[fathom jungle]

Ah.
Ima remember this!

[pseudo echo]

my 2700 SPM red, green, blue, and military was green tech machines and below, and had thousands and thousands of them. it ran at 40 ish UPS when fully running.

now, i have 3600 SPM of all sciences apart from cryo and promethium (and 5400SPM on Gleba because Gleba), running at 60 UPS

[fathom jungle]

you completely destroyed/rebuild your own setups then

[pseudo echo]

yeah

[fathom jungle]

this x1k run might consume my life but ima love that

[pseudo echo]

demolishing the old base alone took days iirc

[pseudo echo]

yeah...

if you want to complete it in any reasonable time

[fathom jungle]

so far i find it very chill

my last x1k run stopped because i realized how soon white was gnna be hit, and then the infinite science also just takes ages and takes away from everything

but now...

[pseudo echo]

i've snagged a few inf researches while working on shit

[fathom jungle]

cant wait for trains even tbh

[pseudo echo]

rocket fuel prod 5 while building fulgora, and currently asteroid processing prod while im working on cryo

[fathom jungle]

hmm ez

what are you spaceships like? surely the sushi belt meme must eventually become busted in x1k?

or do you have like 10 sushi belts?

[pseudo echo]

my asteroid chunks are sushi, but that is mostly it

[pseudo echo]

i sushi the outputs of advanced crushing since they are usually used together

[fathom jungle]

hmkay. makes sense

[pseudo echo]

there isnt a whole lot of difference in ship building between 1x and 1kx

you just need to support either: more cargo bays (if its a hauler-only), or simply have more ships in a fleet

[steep spindle]

I need to murder my base and redo it

It barely runs at 200/m Mission do you have enemies on?

[pseudo echo]

mood

[pseudo echo]

yeah

[steep spindle]

I was trying to just get Cliff explosive and then go get purple/yellow science but 200 is sloow

[pseudo echo]

aim for 900 SPM

that's what i did to get: turbo belts, beacons, adv. liquefaction, and cliff explosives

you can work on bootstrapping fulgora while the tech researches

[steep spindle]

Did you bus it?

That's mine right now

I said rebuilding because I finally murdered enough demos to move things

[fathom jungle]

I think the vulcanus rebuild is worth it, especially after cliff explosives
because, lol

[steep spindle]

Its tilting is what it is

[fathom jungle]

kind of, yeh

its a fun build though

might take a while with those 6 science makers though :x

[steep spindle]

here is how tilting it was LOL

[fathom jungle]

you alrdy have the cliff explosive unlock?

[steep spindle]

no

[fathom jungle]

aye
they worth it

nice quality items
i should mess around with those a bit. got plenty of time in x1k

[pseudo echo]

just spaghetti

pretty much

cryo science

done

[steep spindle]

I may need to finally look into Nuclear power on Nauvis

dedicating a belt fixed throughput issues

[pseudo echo]

the end is near

[fathom jungle]

what kinda godforsaken lab setup would even be needed for that
how do you feed 10-15 sciences XD

[pseudo echo]

you will figure it out after you've explored the Gleba side of the tech tree a bit

[fathom jungle]

hmkay hmkay

oh god thats a 3million science unlock
thats gnna be fun

I love how substantial upgrades feel in x1k

[pseudo echo]

yeah

tripled my eSPM for basically free

[fathom jungle]

eSPM?

[pseudo echo]

effective SPM

[fathom jungle]

Could you please elaborate on your definition?

The realized science/m?

[pseudo echo]

true SPM is the number of science packs you produce, eSPM adds lab productivity and related

so 1000 SPM with +50% lab prod is 1500 eSPM

[fathom jungle]

realized science/m
aye

[pseudo echo]

first batch of cryo science has arrived

[pseudo echo]

the end is near

[spark idol]

Is it truly 1000x

That’s crazy

[pseudo echo]

yes

im busy constructing the victory spaceship

[fathom jungle]

total save playtime rn?

[pseudo echo]

just need to build the victory ship now

[pseudo echo]

600 hours on the save, ish

bit less

[fathom jungle]

ez

[pseudo echo]

im just gonna miss sub-600 hours

[steep spindle]

I have about 250, I'm just Vulcanus tho

[pseudo echo]

there it is

right as im building the victory ship

hyag. i was incredibly wasteful this run

[pseudo echo]

[pseudo echo]

so close

Its. Fucking. Done

[steep spindle]

Congratz!!!

[eager jacinth]

jesus christ

and I thought me playing for 180 hours in one month was insane

[quiet sandal]

damn

I'm at 102 hours in my normal space age game and haven't gotten halfway through

I started playing the day of release too, but I've just stopped playing recently because this is really difficult...

[wild lion]

congrats Mission! 🥳

[fathom jungle]

I just realized the sheer madness of what will be rocketing thousands of science per minute across planets

So, whats that setup like? Just 100 rockets and a bunch of trains hooked up to the landing pad with a gazillion inventory increases?

[fathom jungle]

🫡

@pseudo echo Now that you're done... got some cool screenshots of your setups?

[pseudo echo]

https://factorio.com/galaxy/Sulfur II: Alpha4-4.C7Z5

it's gonna take me a while to recover from this enough to revisit the save

there is a world download in the galaxy of fame right?

[fathom jungle]

Idk but now i want to check it out!

Omg i had forgotten about the galaxy. This is great

It even works on my phone wtf
This is great

[spark idol]

Started up my own 200x game. Not to complete but for the dopamine cycle and the chill gameplay loop

[fathom jungle]

One of us! One of us!

\o/

[spark idol]

I see most people do dedicated ore flows but I think I’m gonna do big routers for the plates and components so I can switch production between science and quality grinding

Like 16-belt plate buses and 8-belt component buses

[steep spindle]

[spark idol]

It’s gonna be a really casual thing though so I’ll probably pick it up for a couple hours in a week

[modern citrus]

How is everyone’s game coming?

[steep spindle]

I got To Fulgora now

[modern citrus]

What are your thoughts on Fulgora?

[steep spindle]

I enjoy it a lot, but it's spaghetti central

[marble stream]

Ppls say speedrunners like better labs
But visiting every planet for the base stuff is the best
But visiting every planet without any imports until you make science and rocket and fly off it is the bestest

[steep spindle]

I did that with Vulcanus, I only stayed on Fulgora till I had about 50 recyclers then left. Gonna go back to it when I get elevated rails

[marble stream]

Hmm true, you can't really scale Fulgora without rails
Do you everything yet?

[steep spindle]

No, but I'm getting quality 2's to start up cycling

[fathom jungle]

aye, time to remove the old science setup to make space for the mall. all science is on the trains anyway. just finishing up

God did i miss x1k

[steep spindle]

🙂

[fathom jungle]

After:
🙂

[cerulean sigil]

purple sci is dsone but waiting for purple to be researched

[jolly wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrtt1BA3WI

[fathom jungle]

did bro just speedrun sa x1k in 11hrs

[jolly wagon]

i can't tell if you are joking but if you aren't, no he didnt, he didn't even research electric mining drills in that time

[umbral wedge]

the speedrun for x1 is 9h. you aren't getting x1000 in 11h.

[pseudo echo]

has there been another completion at all?

[fathom jungle]

We all taking it slow

Ngl i might do a normal run

Purple and yellow will take like 300 belts smolten resources and im doubting if my pc will run that And space

[fathom jungle]

How many hours did u complete the x1k in?

[modern citrus]

So much for science rounding errors … 10,000 packs delivered from volcanus, 9999 registered progress towards the first volcanus tech. An additional 15,000 packs delivered from volcanus, 25,000 total progress towards the tech … no loss at all between those two shipments in my 20 lab long daisy chains

[pseudo echo]

600

[fathom jungle]

Ez
Aye

[steep spindle]

I'm at 325 with just now starting purple science and all planets unlocked

Except aquilo obviously

[steep spindle]

Purple happened

[vagrant anchor]

Default settings no base defense and no killing nests until artillery?

Think it could be possible but very very barely

[modern citrus]

Uh oh … my tungsten mine is running out and I dont currently have access to another one

[steep spindle]

I have purple at a slow rate

[modern citrus]

I’m trying to get Coal Liquifaction so I can really get purple up and running on Vulcanus. I really dont want to have to get 15 more mines on Nauvis to get 3600 purple SPM there …

[modern citrus]

Claimed the next two Tungsten patches, got my Metallurgic Science back up and running at too low a rate, but will address that after getting Coal Liquifaction and then purple science up and running

[steep spindle]

[modern citrus]

That’s gonna be my first purple too

[pseudo echo]

Train junction throughput goes through the roof with that

no more crossings either, just branches and merges

[cerulean sigil]

ok i neewd more than lazy power

[pseudo echo]

no other SA 1kx victors?

[quiet sandal]

https://discord.com/channels/139677590393716737/1300585302829830145

I think only GG is doing 1kx for space age

[steep spindle]

I'm steady, and since this is the main SA Save its just cruising

dont know how close this is

[stuck dove]

I saw michael hendriks doing one on default settings

without killing biter nests pre-artillery

[pseudo echo]

depends on how many of the inner planet sciences you've done
they took the biggest chunk of time for me, iirc

[steep spindle]

Only Vulcanus atm

[dusty nymph]

i should try SA x1k too. this time i'll try turning the oregen settings up and biters to peaceful to make this sane, i think.

i struggle to scale up regular nauvis in a regular game to like 100SPM or so, so this will be good and go well.

i won't burn out in the first few hours or anything.

i'm setting all the oregen to 600% i think.

and i think i'll turn the asteroid rate to 400% too.

the 600% oregen feels silly.

right, i also don't get these. joy.

i am now deeply glad i enabled peaceful mode.

i do not know exactly how i would have handled dealing with biter nests while getting 25k red science with only burner drills.

it's entirely possible i would have crumbled to ash maybe.

the last 10 minutes of progress are gone because factorio and steam somehow crashed simultaneously upon me mining a "small spaceship wreck". this has never happened before.

unpleasant.

[dusty nymph]

alright, i'm at the point where i have automation.

assumption: it is probably not worth actually going for science immediately because it will barely matter, and i should invest in infrastructure-making infrastructure instead.

[languid stump]

I enjoyed making a completely separate resource flow for my mall than my science

So the starter patches fed my mall to begin with and to start science I set off and found new ore

[dusty nymph]

this was roughly my plan. also, wait, you've done this?

[languid stump]

1000x in 1.1

[dusty nymph]

nice. i am in the Space Age, which presumably means i get to suffer forever i guess?

[languid stump]

Yeah a lot longer lol. But you get cool toys at least so.

[dusty nymph]

on the bright side, at least while you're on the planets themselves all the really important stuff is like, trigger unlocks.

not that i'm probably ever getting to one of those.

[languid stump]

Haha I believe in u

🫡

[dusty nymph]

of course. i've only never gotten to blue science in singleplayer playthroughs, so this one under extremely strenuous conditions can only go well.

[languid stump]

Maybe low science multiplier was always the problem

[dusty nymph]

yes. i always lose motivation to play because the science is just going by too fast.

i need it to take many weeks longer.

[languid stump]

I doubt you’ll have an issue with that anymore lol!!

I ended up skipping most the tech tree

[dusty nymph]

(facetious, for the record.)

[languid stump]

Oh

Missed that lol

[dusty nymph]

the real reason is like, motivation issues in general, but i'm ignoring that.

i haven't really figured out what order i'm doing anything in after these.

[languid stump]

Oh yea that ore gen is interesting

[dusty nymph]

i wasn't exactly going to do it in default settings.

i would die.

[languid stump]

Oh yeah that sucks

I didn’t have to research electric drills

Back when I did it

[dusty nymph]

my new post-crash world looks like this.

i guess i can disable that pollution overlay, it does not matter.

[languid stump]

Oh ok

Still a mess of ore

[dusty nymph]

it is. i hope the ones further out are a bit more cohesive.

[languid stump]

More iron at least

Good enough for the mall

Any idea how much spm you’ll aim for?

[dusty nymph]

i have no clue. probably just "as much as feasible, extensibly" for red science.

i'll think about it more at green science.

[languid stump]

Yeah that makes sense

I think I averaged like 900 spm and it took me ~100 hours?

[dusty nymph]

1k SPM sounds hard and would be agonizing but not... impossible?

[languid stump]

Yeah it’s pretty doable

I aimed at 1.8k didn’t sustain it all game

[dusty nymph]

most things are some reasonable number prepended to "K".

so it would only take me that many minutes.

[languid stump]

Did you give yourself an early robots mod?

[dusty nymph]

no. i am not giving myself any mods.

(space age aside, naturally.)

[languid stump]

Yeah I didn’t have one either

So in that case 900 is pretty good I’d say.

1 yellow belt science

[dusty nymph]

i suppose that is one yellow belt, isn't it.

that sounds achievable. two belts of iron, one belt of copper.

[languid stump]

A little weird without underground belts

But u got this

[dusty nymph]

yes, i can imagine the suffering and pain.

and i've never made serious burner mining outposts before.

i usually just replace those with electric drills instantly.

[languid stump]

For what it’s worth these next 2 techs are kinda cheap so

Could do 450 or 225 or something

[dusty nymph]

i find it funny how logistics is cheaper than electric drill.

i guess they want to make beginners suffer and/or use the burner stuff for slightly longer.

i find the existence of burner drills and inserters a little strange in factorio.

[languid stump]

Yea encourage a little more burner use I suppose

[dusty nymph]

they last a few minutes in what is usually a multi-day affair.

[languid stump]

I used them a few hours in on my current run xD

Remote mining with no power lol

[dusty nymph]

accursed.

[languid stump]

Very

[dusty nymph]

well, i'll be doing that too i guess.

i'll have to ship coal to my ore patches.

this is terrible.

[languid stump]

Yep lol

Could maybe get away with hand feeding burners too. 50 coal does last a good while

[dusty nymph]

you know, i actually remember part of my first playthrough where i unironically tried to just keep going with burner tech for a bit.

i developed a strange self-feeding thing with coal drills involving burner inserters.

time for it to "shine".

(or i could, you know, do this sensibly by just making a loop and extracting from it.)

[languid stump]

That setup seems good for coal

I suppose it can work for the other ores too

[dusty nymph]

this seems slightly better.

for coal specifically.

i don't know if it actually works like this.

it might or might not.

[languid stump]

Whatever automates ig

Don’t need toooo many coal miner

Prob got plenty of room for whatever design

[dusty nymph]

i mean, i think i do, don't i?

i need to feed, what, 180 drills for science alone?

plus whatever boiler power i consume.

coal lasts 26.66... seconds in these.

[languid stump]

3 belts you’ve got 180 * 150 = 27 MW for drills

13 MW furnaces

Yeah I guess it stacks up you’ll need more for assembler and lab too

But uh no more than 100 drills

[dusty nymph]

i'm sure i'll end up using multiple coal patches for this anyway.

time to do something i've never done; automating burner mining drills.

[steep spindle]

@quiet sandal and I have and automated

[dusty nymph]

nice.

honestly i cannot wait to have logistics.

awful pre-logistics smelting column go.

yes, this is a normal underground belt. i don't know what you mean.

[steep spindle]

this was our smelters pre splitters

[dusty nymph]

they look cleaner than whatever i'm doing.

[steep spindle]

it looked like a damn mess at the front tho

[dusty nymph]

i wish i also had someone to do this with. this is going to be agonizing.

[steep spindle]

It is nice to have more than 1, I can agree with that. While solo you can decide what you like

[quiet sandal]

well this one does show the splitters, but we built this before we had splitters

we converted it after unlocking them

[languid stump]

“Logistics at home”

[dusty nymph]

logistics is redundant if you spam enough long handed inserters.

alright, enough for today. science automation tomorrow.

progress: automated... copper smelting. placed some handfed assembler stuff. "semiautomated" burner drills and furnaces.

such enthralling progress.

i wonder if getting to vulcanus is going to be a huge relief.

(or if i should get to fulgora instead, honestly? agh, priorities.)

(it won't matter for a very long time.)

[steep spindle]

Vulcanus does help push some things

[dusty nymph]

all 3 planets seem like they have something to offer immediately except maybe less so gleba.

maybe not at all gleba. i don't know if gleba is useful other than for its research.

i once pondered exporting plastic from it in my not x1K game.

[zinc creek]

Same

First 2 smelt stacks into mall/science combo, lets me speed to my next 7 stacks

[steep spindle]

That's about how we did it

[dusty nymph]

all that i build is so cursed.

i have not cleanly made any nice "designs" i can repeat yet.

[pseudo echo]

just something that functions until you get electric miners and logistics

dont worry about designs in the stone age of 1kx, you'll end up ripping them up anyway

[vagrant anchor]

theorizing a spage 1kx run, default settings other than nauvis ores, nauvis cliffs and starting area

and uh 600% biters outside of the starting area

no biter nest captivity

first target is obviously efficiency modules, then its either flamethrowers + bots or tech to get to fulgora

[languid stump]

Seems good

[quiet sandal]

you're probably gonna want to modify the stone patches for gleba, island size for fulgora and such

[vagrant anchor]

shipping in landfill isnt a problem for gleba, agree about fulgora though

the main issue is getting to vulcanus or fulgora in the first place since evolution will be at behemoths really early

if not doing a lot of combat and slow production to control pollution the only way is to go really fast until eff mods then flamers and bots

[vagrant anchor]

900 red spm with burners already gets quite close to the 600% border on a relatively forested map in testing

[vagrant anchor]

this is a 900spm burner bp until electric miners, immediately swapped and researched logistics, steel and green sci

900 green sci might not be possible before effmods

will do some more testing

[mossy saddle]

Great that you're back froggy good luck!