High Science Multiplier

[dusty nymph]

also no accumulator research.

[plucky panther]

for you it is

except landfill

but yeah it is indeed a more endgame solution now that you mention those two

[dusty nymph]

nuclear is also similarly far away.

so, steam, forever, i guess.

[pseudo echo]

plan: i build military science, and then research flamethrowers before building a fucking humongous perimeter

[steep spindle]

Solar is great for ups, not so great on space. I don't know if the fluid changes helped nuclear power or not

[plucky panther]

nuclear is a lot easier with new fluids, but idk on ups

[steep spindle]

I didn't have a power problem in my last base, but I also wasn't at a high enough spm

[plucky panther]

cuz nuclear's ups pain is heat iirc

[steep spindle]

Nuclear is also a metric fuck ton of science

[plucky panther]

500 or 1k base cost, ye

and also potential kovarex research eventually if you want bigger plants

[steep spindle]

Koverex was 1.5Mil science in 1.1

[plucky panther]

idr the values, was a while ago since I researched them

sorry

[dusty nymph]

i guess the unfortunate part of railworld is that i don't actually... have... rails.

or cars. finding new ore patches and also doing stuff with them is going to be so fun.

[pseudo echo]

holy shit
i found an item leak that was putting copper ore onto the furnace fuel belt. thankfully there was only more copper smelting stacks afteraves so all contamninants got consumed

[steep spindle]

I won't be able to continue for a little bit 😕, but I will resume when able. Got my red science ripped up ready to place that build, but I might need to instead make a small mall for inserters/miners/belts

[mossy saddle]

I would do furnaces and t2 assemblers after your belts and furnaces

Ez double research then

I've just been nading buildings cus I'm to lazy to destroy them by picking up

[steep spindle]

Yeah I'm not rebuilding 95 assemblers

[dusty nymph]

i think my main constraint is ore, not smelt speed, but i guess maybe.

[mossy saddle]

Don't you have t2 assemblers yet?

Sorry for the tease ggs hehe

[steep spindle]

No

This still

With walls

[mossy saddle]

My research looks like trash too

I barely have anything done

[steep spindle]

Prolly grabbing steel next

[mossy saddle]

You can do it sir

You're going much faster then me

[steep spindle]

I think I'm still at 7hrs played

[pseudo echo]

holy fuck

big worms

are SO tanky

[steep spindle]

Yep

[pseudo echo]

ohhhh

i see why

my bullet dmg isnt enough to ovecome the 10 physical dmg resistance

[steep spindle]

Gotta go get dmg research

[pseudo echo]

yep

[steep spindle]

Those couple hundred thousand packs 😭

[pseudo echo]

each bullet was doing 0.68 dmg to an enemy of 1500 health

(turret spam)

[steep spindle]

Oh dear

I'm going for steel to mine stuff a little quicker

Then will turn around and get fast inserters I think

Idk what to hit first

[dusty nymph]

i'm at 3 hours played.

i'm at such bad pace considering i'm only doing x100.

but whatever, i am not racing anyway.

[mossy saddle]

It'll go faster once you can automate

[dusty nymph]

i do have automation.

though, if you mean "have it working while i'm AFK or doing other things", well.

i'm working on it.

[steep spindle]

Don't afk

Build more labs or science

[dusty nymph]

eventually i'm going to reach the capacity of this ore patch.

and when that happens i'm not sure what i'll do.

i'd have to like, walk.

with my legs.

[steep spindle]

Yup, that's another reason I crank ore

[dusty nymph]

doing that has always felt cheaty to me, so i'm not.

[steep spindle]

Hate building on it, but builds can be moved

[dusty nymph]

this is definitely the hardest i've ever red scienced.

i can't wait to do it all over again for green science whenever.

[steep spindle]

You gave me an idea for a quick mall on lunch, I need to automate inserters and stuff before I start b building my Red/Green build

[modern citrus]

Hardest part of a 1.1 tech cost x1k game was getting logistics researched. Now I suppose that it’s also getting electric mining drills researched, then it’s just go big Megabase from the start

[steep spindle]

I did logistics into miners, because I had a auto refueling burner setup. But burner phase was only about 5hrs

[marble stream]

Oof

[steep spindle]

What's the matter?

[marble stream]

Hmm
Nothing much actually
Launched the lazy marathon spoon

...
Does that mean I'm not lazy speedrunning anymore?

\o/

[steep spindle]

there now I can go rip down stuff

just hit 8 1/2hrs

[steep spindle]

I'll be about to make it at least 900 or 1k/m at first, running out of smelters space

[mossy saddle]

Lol me too

Got to walk but now I have a car

So no more

[steep spindle]

Getting a car would be nice

[pseudo echo]

got this beauty of an expansion

[steep spindle]

Yikes 😳

[median apex]

Honestly doing thousands of spm without modules sounds so cursed. How many yellow belts of iron does it take to automate 2400 blue science without modules?

[spark idol]

Hey that’s not that bad you can take out those worms whenever you feel like instead of having to deal with the biters

[pseudo echo]

yes

phew.... very narrow point in a river that would have otherwise been a defence bottleneck

triple conjoined coal patch

[steep spindle]

How big?

[pseudo echo]

478 million\

[steep spindle]

Not bad

[pseudo echo]

perimeter planning

[steep spindle]

I'm going to work on blasting more SPM next time I'm on

[dusty nymph]

32 apparently.

i'm... not looking forward to it. at least hopefully when i unlock rails the game will open up some more.

[modern citrus]

Just out of curiosity, why 2400 spm? I would have expected some multiple of either 900 (full yellow belt) or 450 (half yellow belt). 2400 falls into a weird place between 2700 (3 full yellow belts / 6 split yellow belts) and 2250 (5 split yellow belts)

[eager jacinth]

Nice round number for machines maybe?

[steep spindle]

I'm doing a 1800 or 3600 build here next

[median apex]

The ratio is 30 spm for 5 red assembly 1s iirc, 60 spm for 10. 1800 is a good number for the purposes of ratios/number of machines and output fitting on belts. Curious

[steep spindle]

It's not built

[pseudo echo]

i've almost began treating time like it's a resource. instead of saying "this tech costs 250000 science" i've been saying "this tech costs 1,5 hours"

1000x forces you to think differently

[plucky panther]

...that does sound fun ngl

[mossy saddle]

I see it as how long do I have till I got to finish the build

[mossy saddle]

current progress

97% done with plastic

so an extra 200K science

[steep spindle]

I'm going to be rushing trains again

Since they only need green

[mossy saddle]

I'm going only trains for fuel

since last time I used them it was a horrible mess

[elder rover]

might as well go all out and do 1000x

[steep spindle]

Join us

Muahaha

[dusty nymph]

too bad, i already started doing 100x.

[pseudo echo]

uh ohhhh

i've only got 7 miliseconds left

[steep spindle]

Before what

[pseudo echo]

<60 ups

miliseconds is a term used for time between frames in factorio's context without the time sleeping

[steep spindle]

Ahh

[steep spindle]

Should I do or

[modern citrus]

In 1.1 I only did milsci for the power armor (no enemies game). Now, I would have to evaluate it as I don’t remember if armor needs milsci anymore. Of course if you are playing with biters, definitely get milsci done

[steep spindle]

I'm playing with biters

[pseudo echo]

[steep spindle]

Lull

[median apex]

Flamethrowers are good in general even without biters cause you can clear forest easily. Maybe not worth in peaceful 1000x tho because of that cost

[mossy saddle]

I'm going 2nd

[steep spindle]

I may go 2nd till bots

[mossy saddle]

smart boy

I did same thing xD

cus it hurts so much making smelters!

[steep spindle]

Waiting for 300hrs in the previous save told me otherwise

[mossy saddle]

but now you have planets

and new things to learn

[pseudo echo]

aight, military stuff automated

mostly

[pseudo echo]

busy building up the perimeter all

[steep spindle]

Nice

[mossy saddle]

don't forget to ss your base once a while

[steep spindle]

Haven't done anything yet

[mossy saddle]

I'm about to start doing things now

xD

[steep spindle]

is this an SA Change >.< that makes Circuits 10x easier

grenades need to exist >.<

[plucky panther]

circuit interface is a factorio2.0 change

[mossy saddle]

told you!

[steep spindle]

100% getting this next

[mossy saddle]

my current science done

[steep spindle]

back to climbing

[steep spindle]

stonks rising

[median apex]

Thats certainly one way to lane balance

[pseudo echo]

god i just want to work on chemical science but the biters are like "no"

finally completed the north west border

[steep spindle]

nicely done

[pseudo echo]

[steep spindle]

needed a 4 to 1 lol

it will soon be a 4 to 2

[long mauve]

very balanced input

[median apex]

For an eventual 4:2 that makes more sense, but that last lane balancer seemed unnecessary- the two input belts are already lane balanced

[steep spindle]

its not fully blasting haha

[median apex]

My philosophy to balancers-just always produce and consume in exact compressed belt ratios so you never have to balance and then cry when its hard to get a compressed belt out of the correct ratio of machines thanks to inserter stuff

[steep spindle]

the build outputs normally 4 compressed belts, but only a third of it is setup

[steep spindle]

It's a 900x4 build at full power

[hasty panther]

do you think I'll finish x1k soon \s (I'm running default settings)

[long mauve]

yeah, give it a few years

[steep spindle]

hauling

[hasty panther]

epic

see yall in 2028

[steep spindle]

@long mauve this didnt surprise me

[long mauve]

oof

[steep spindle]

I had a feeling that was still gonna be obnoxious

[hasty panther]

1M minutes to research with one lab

[steep spindle]

game about to get easier

[hasty panther]

noice

is your base 1000x bigger than mine?

[hasty panther]

similar shape :P

not sure thats x1k though

[long mauve]

thats like a factor of 10 not a 1000

maybe less just looking at smelting

[steep spindle]

LETS GOOO

about to get repair packs then truck on to

[steep spindle]

stonks are rising!

[vagrant anchor]

It's usually maybe around x50 at most with 25x waiting

[hasty panther]

fair

[steep spindle]

.<

[steep spindle]

I said screw it and went to go add belts to this mess

[steep spindle]

progging!

[steep spindle]

15hrs in on the dot, we got some work cut out. Gotta end it here to sleep

[pseudo echo]

north wall complete

[mossy saddle]

How many walls do you have left?

[pseudo echo]

1

just completed my north east wall

[pseudo echo]

finsihed the perimeter

just gotta fix up military science being at 50% production for some reason

[steep spindle]

I'm trying to decide with the 150k science I have left before I need to research if I just get a small section online then increase

[pseudo echo]

i am basically ready to begin chemical science

[plucky panther]

daaamn nice

[pseudo echo]

im running into serious ups concerns

i was consistantly below 55 for a long period of time

[steep spindle]

Uh oh

So only 8 hours remain to see if I can get a train placed and I'll be at Pace with the old and the old world had about 3 hours of AFK time

[pseudo echo]

i will have to see if i can push towards the better shit before the game becomes unplayable

well, i probably can

[steep spindle]

What SPM are you sitting at?

[pseudo echo]

2700

i'll see what machine counts i get with the better shit

[vagrant anchor]

You might want to ups optimise some stuff, even on a potato 2.7k of red+green probably shouldn't be killing ups this bad

[steep spindle]

Fireball I made a Base Thread 🙂

but we are pumping greens now!

[long mauve]

I never check those threads lol

[steep spindle]

xD

[long mauve]

lots of factory!

[steep spindle]

quite a few people in #vanilla-chat because its a Space Age play through and after I can't really be there thought of doing it

gonna have to make this accept Wednesday tho

have to stop here for the night, but big progress and a biter sighting

[pseudo echo]

+military

[pseudo echo]

oh wow

yeah i'll push to planetary machines because then i can reduce the total machine count by a factor of 10

[marble stream]

#quality is green science ackchually

[mossy saddle]

Only the high science multiplier thread 😏

[vagrant anchor]

Is military running? If so seems fine then, with ups optimised late game builds ups should be ok-ish

For now u might want to do some stuff you can (like DI-ing the stuff you can DI, inserter stack size upgrades, no having a ton of train junctions (perhaps for your play through you might want to even belt most things straight up to help ups, trains can hurt it a good bit if not well designed))

And ofc saturated lanes for longer distances belts

[pseudo echo]

yes, military is running

[steep spindle]

Time to see if I can get more green science flowing. Even just a little more helpful here

[pseudo echo]

though military <<< chem science + space science

[steep spindle]

its a sea of potions!

[plucky panther]

you all are now officially wizards and witches

cuz that's a lot of potion rbewing you've been doing

[mossy saddle]

chem is running here

it was a pain

not full one tho

just 500 spm

[steep spindle]

Just hit 20hrs, about to wreck to trains in 4hrs

[mossy saddle]

nicee

[steep spindle]

When trains happen the base is blasting

[mossy saddle]

you still have to build tho!

alot xd

[stuck dove]

What is that? 4:1 lane balancer?

TL of course

[steep spindle]

yeah that build normally does 4 belts total

right now its a 2 belt slam

[stuck dove]

btw you should be able to just do
4:4 balancer -> 1:1 or 2:2 lane balancer

and the 4:4 balancer should be able to lose the last 2 splitters since it's TL anyway

these might work idk

[steep spindle]

they normally dont use splitters at all and its 4 direct lanes into trains

[pseudo echo]

already?
nice

[mossy saddle]

Not fully though

I just want bots to help me out of my miser

Y

[pseudo echo]

fuck... burn on my finger has left me basically incapacitated for factorio... well, there goes 3 hours of potential playtime for the day

[mossy saddle]

You couldn't play for 3hr?

[pseudo echo]

cant play at all and i had 3 hours from the burn to my predicted bedtime

[mossy saddle]

Get well soon

[steep spindle]

Oof

[mossy saddle]

Keep me up to date on the recovery

[steep spindle]

If I didn't get ran over by a whirly death boulder, I'm getting trains tonight

[long mauve]

the factory must grow

[steep spindle]

upset now

[steep spindle]

explosives!!!!

wow over half a mil

[steep spindle]

locked because of belt speed

[steep spindle]

finally hit the power issue

[mossy saddle]

You need loads of power

[steep spindle]

I got to here last night

Currently belt locked so researching reds before finishing furnaces

[mossy saddle]

smart

[steep spindle]

Malding about it, but we will be ok

[mossy saddle]

xD I'm sure

[pseudo echo]

the bugs are slowly wittling away at the turrets on the wall

i cannot stall much longer. bots are a MUST

[mossy saddle]

Aren't you supposed to rest!

[steep spindle]

Yikes, how close to bots are you

[pseudo echo]

im working on chemical science as we speak

[mossy saddle]

[pseudo echo]

full 2700 SPM at once

just got sidetracked with a nest that was being a particular pain in the ass

yep autorepaing walls would be a godsend

[steep spindle]

😳

Medium or big biters?

[pseudo echo]

big

with behemoths slowly approaching

oh ffs

[steep spindle]

😭

Pollution done murdering you

[modern citrus]

Them turrets should be on the other side of the belt; you give up a lot of shoot range having them that far behind the wall @pseudo echo

[plucky panther]

it's also extra range where flamethrowers can shoot with no fear of retaliation

[pseudo echo]

i figured that one out already

but i am not fixing it until i get bots - i've got 3 Kilometes of walls

[steep spindle]

4hrs to get rid of a belt bottleneck

ok holy shit WHAT

[modern citrus]

The walls should be at the minimum range of the flamers. Turrets just behind the walls, ammo belt behind the turrets between the turrets and the flamers

[modern citrus]

El-Way. Be sure to make enough ramps and support pillars. Designing munitions that have no crossings and don’t need much in terms of signals is fun

[plucky panther]

spitters would travel longer before being in range of anything

[modern citrus]

Ideally bots are there for repairs. And the sooner you get something dead the less damage it does to your stuff

[plucky panther]

oh don't worry I agree that turrets should be in front of the belt
just saying that putting them behind could have a real reason

[steep spindle]

screaming internally

[plucky panther]

tired of placing manually?

[steep spindle]

no actually, tired of being belt locked

[plucky panther]

belt locked as in?

[steep spindle]

I'm producing more than I can output

[plucky panther]

ooooh
fair

[steep spindle]

I had to start resorting to this lol

[plucky panther]

lol rip

[steep spindle]

because this is just backing up and it shouldnt be

[plucky panther]

...it is weird that it's backing up

is the science backing up?

[steep spindle]

yeah

[plucky panther]

ah that's why

[steep spindle]

because the belt speed to get out out isn't fast enough

[plucky panther]

you use 1-1 so if science is backing up, inserters will too

[steep spindle]

never actually had this issue

[plucky panther]

oh no I meant

is the belt permanently flowing because labs at the end are using everything

[steep spindle]

labs aren't filled

belt can't output enough

[plucky panther]

so the belts are flowing properly. huh

yeah no I have no idea anymore

[steep spindle]

its because the output of science isnt fast enough

[plucky panther]

ah
red science? is there enough red science to consume the green

[steep spindle]

it needs red belt

yes

[plucky panther]

....I am deeply confused

[steep spindle]

I'm fixing the partial problem

[plucky panther]

oh well. I hope it gets fixed eventually

[steep spindle]

3hrs it will

[plucky panther]

[modern citrus]

I don’t understand… you produce one full belt of yellow belts, and one full belt of inserters, but one belt is backing up but not the other?

[steep spindle]

Yeah, the science on the back end isn't pushing out fast enough so it's causing issues

I have to get red belt and make the output of science red belt and it will fix itself

[modern citrus]

It’s a 1:1:1 ratio? With enough machines a belt of inserters and a belt of yellow belts gets you a belt of green science? I don’t understand what the issue is nor its cause

[steep spindle]

There are 480 machines producing science, the input is 1:1 calculated

But I think it's having issues and I can't see why

[pseudo echo]

eeeeeeeee i forgot that i had my flamethrower equipped

[steep spindle]

[plucky panther]

did you grenade your belts

close 'nuff

[steep spindle]

[modern citrus]

6 sec recipe time, 12 sec (am1) or 8 sec (am2) actual craft time, 15 items/sec … 8x15=120 machines; 12x15=180 machines. That’s all you can have feeding any given yellow belt, do you have more machines per yellow belt of output? 420 machines is a fair lot, clearly more than one belt of science is being made

[plucky panther]

I think his issue is belts backing up, not machines

[steep spindle]

The output belt isn't outputting fast enough and it's over full

[modern citrus]

If all 420 green science makers are putting onto the same yellow belt, upgrading to reds would help but not solve the issue

[steep spindle]

It's 2 output belts

[modern citrus]

Ok, so you have more machines than the belts can support

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[modern citrus]

I’m sure you had a reason to build it that way; but you see the results

[steep spindle]

Future proof tbh

[pseudo echo]

[steep spindle]

11,000

The hell you doing

[plucky panther]

upgrading his base?

[mossy saddle]

I'm happy that I already have bots

[steep spindle]

What path did you take to get bots?

[placid epoch]

you have bots right?

like u started with bots and armor

u didnt build all that by hand

[steep spindle]

No

It's full vanilla

[placid epoch]

dam

[steep spindle]

Yeah no I've built all that by hand

[placid epoch]

that must be boring and repetitive af

[steep spindle]

Naw, I didn't have blueprints so I was figuring where stuff was

[pseudo echo]

i will try as hard as i can to have blue science up TMR

[steep spindle]

I'm wanting trains either tonight or tomorrow night

Then the base will explode

[mossy saddle]

Advanced oil and then straight to bots

After that portable bot tho

[mossy saddle]

I forced myself to get bots because i had build 40k+ buildings by hand

[vagrant anchor]

Your flamers seem quite close to the wall

I think I'm gonna jump straight into x1k SA lol normal SA feels too "unscaly"

[modern citrus]

BTW, if you want to future proof, I think one of the best things to do is design around Red belts and Blue assembly machines. Out of the three combinations (yellow belts+assembly machine 1’s; red belts + assembly machine 2’s; blue belts+assembly machine 3’s) takes the most space. Add a little bit for the fourth belt type if you want

[steep spindle]

I had Red belt + AM2's actaully

[steep spindle]

we getting creative again

I founda solution

[steep spindle]

base update, will have red belt tomorrow and able to catapult the base

just cracked the 10mb save file size

[mossy saddle]

That's what my science setup looks like

[placid epoch]

dam i want to see what will u cook on the planets

[steep spindle]

Can't wait to get there don't know what's at them yet

[placid epoch]

which one u going first

also do u have biter expansion on

[steep spindle]

No

[steep spindle]

I know there are multiple, but haven't looked at any of them, I'll decide when I have to choose. One thing about playing completely not looking anything up I guess

[placid epoch]

oh

how long do u think it will be before planet

[steep spindle]

I've been pushed to go to the red icon one first, that's all they told me a while back, but didn't tell me why

[placid epoch]

yh go to the red one first

[steep spindle]

If I can get my red belt my production rockets to 2400/m up from 900

But that's a hard guess cause I saw the rocket was moved too

[placid epoch]

yh after blue science u have to choose from next 5 sciences

[steep spindle]

I saw one of the achievements was to do that before research so I might go to that

[mossy saddle]

@steep spindle can I add the mod to delete destroyed buildings

[steep spindle]

That will disable steam achievements 😭. Your game up to you

You could replace the building and pick it back up to get rid of the destruction

[placid epoch]

https://github.com/oorzkws/FactorioAchievementEnabler 🙂

[steep spindle]

Ngl I want to get there quick too lol

[placid epoch]

yh well 1kx isnt a good for that 😄

[mossy saddle]

Exfret asked

[steep spindle]

Is this that thing that it modifies the exe file?

[placid epoch]

a .dll file ye

[mossy saddle]

Oh btw gggs

Bots

Are so amazing

I placed 2k in a matter of minutes instead of an hour

With modules in and everything

[placid epoch]

😄

if i ever play 100-1000x im not playing without robo start

[mossy saddle]

yeah personal roboport is very slow

So I quickly made a couple of charging ports and some chests

[steep spindle]

😭😭

[mossy saddle]

You still have to wait a long time hehehehe

Now I'll play actively again

Haven't really played this week

[steep spindle]

I'm just now getting red belt

Production gonna go from 900 to 1800-2400 real quick

[mossy saddle]

I had 3k-3.6k for a long duration took so long still

[steep spindle]

Was it constant

[vagrant anchor]

shld i do this

x1k SA

well probably not desert right 💀

[steep spindle]

Desert bad start

[vagrant anchor]

shld i turn down pollution and evo

and expansion

[mossy saddle]

Yessir

Deff expansion

[steep spindle]

I turned them off

[vagrant anchor]

ill turn expansion and evo down ig

[mossy saddle]

I only have hostile biters

[vagrant anchor]

pollution ill leave default?

feel a bit scared

[mossy saddle]

600% start?

Size

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[mossy saddle]

Then should be fine if they don't constantly attack

Start in a Forest though

[vagrant anchor]

yep

ill decrease all evo by 10x ig

[steep spindle]

I'll show on lunch but I need a car gone have to start murdering nests soon

[vagrant anchor]

and make expansion slow

[mossy saddle]

O-o you don't have car?

[mossy saddle]

Evo might be a lil pain tho

[vagrant anchor]

ik but im a masochist

ill turn forests up

and grass up

[vagrant anchor]

@mossy saddle bets how many hours till i get bots?

[mossy saddle]

How fast did you do it in your last world?

[mossy saddle]

cute

Looks nice tho

On your way to blue

[vagrant anchor]

x1k k2se? iirc like 150-200h?

might have been lesss

nvm i think it was less

[mossy saddle]

Do you have bps?

[vagrant anchor]

more like 100

nope, zero bps

not even rails

[steep spindle]

Nope

[mossy saddle]

Hmmm then maybe 40 hours

I did afk a little

Because I had to go rq

I'm not sure what path you'll take but if you take mine it's ±40hrs till blue I think

Because I had modules before it

[steep spindle]

I have about 45m of afk

[vagrant anchor]

ahh that seems painfully long

bcos tbf i did have companion bots for the k2se run

[mossy saddle]

I went very slow in the start

Taking my sweet time building

After I had bots I started doing trains research

[vagrant anchor]

oh, maybe ill go faster then

i dont think trains are worth pre bots

might go for a pretty big bot rush with eff mods

considering biters

[steep spindle]

This also is comparing the 5hrs of afk I had in 1.1. But I had trains at 24hrs then

So in reality I get them before 30hrs I'll be on pace

[mossy saddle]

I haven't done a normal x1k so I'm in a record run

[steep spindle]

I'm talking between starter bots and not

Companion drones is op

[mossy saddle]

They're very OP

But nice to have lol

[steep spindle]

That's what I'm comparing my pace to tho

Hat them for 300hrs in previous save remember

[mossy saddle]

how does your smelter setup look like

cus am wondering if I am an idiot or not

[mossy saddle]

zoomed in xd

I'd love to know if you use the standard smelter setup

[steep spindle]

Had to go find a photo lol

[mossy saddle]

explains why I'm an idiot now

[steep spindle]

🧐🤔

[mossy saddle]

I'll show you mine rq

sorry its night time

[placid epoch]

dam wth

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

explains why I'm taking longer to build

[placid epoch]

looks cool tho

i want to see it in day time

or a bp

[steep spindle]

I use way to many speed run strata

[mossy saddle]

I'll show you when it turns day

@placid epoch

[steep spindle]

That actually looks really cool

[placid epoch]

i need a bp thats sick af

[mossy saddle]

it's a pain to make without bots

[steep spindle]

48 per row still too

[mossy saddle]

yep you can easily upgrade it too

[placid epoch]

yh but i ahve them

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

That coal belt at the bottom is interesting

Can you SS the splitter shenanigans

[mossy saddle]

this?

[steep spindle]

Ahh you go that route

[mossy saddle]

I mean you can change it

not big of an issue xd

[steep spindle]

Nah bro, all builds have there touch

That's an interesting way to do it

[mossy saddle]

it works and is more compact then the long ones nrml

[steep spindle]

That line I have is also like 22 deep

It's way to massive

[mossy saddle]

that one is 8 tiles by 40 or something

didnt they add a feature so you don't have to fix powerpoles?

[pseudo echo]

its climbing

[steep spindle]

[vagrant anchor]

[steep spindle]

🧐

[vagrant anchor]

all handfed until logistics + electric miners probably

[mossy saddle]

crazy

[vagrant anchor]

i think its faster LOL

also evo is already at 1.2%...

also wow you need a lot of coal

[steep spindle]

Yeah I had a coal snake of 16 burner miners and it still wasn't keeping up

[vagrant anchor]

GGs when did u get electric miners and logistics? just to check my pace

[steep spindle]

I was out of burner phase at 5hrs

That was logistics and Eminers

[vagrant anchor]

this is what i have

[steep spindle]

Hour Mark?

[vagrant anchor]

almost 2

i think ill be a bit faster

[steep spindle]

Yeah your set up is a little more

I didn't take off till after miners

[steep spindle]

You are also crafting a lot more intermediate pieces than I was

I think that's the kicker

[vagrant anchor]

its the michael hendricks handfed crafting

works pretty damn well

i think i can get out of burner by 3:30 latest

[pseudo echo]

:(

thankfully im right here

[steep spindle]

finally climbing higher than 900

finally

[vagrant anchor]

well took a bit more than expected but here we go

i can play the game now

[steep spindle]

lunch break progress almost done being belt locked

[vagrant anchor]

you could make more lanes

@mossy saddle based on current pace bots by 40 hours seems a bit fast lol

i forgot how slow x1k is

ill try though

[mossy saddle]

But I believe in you

[mossy saddle]

Iron smelter, array?

[pseudo echo]

mining for chemical science

oh god

The walls crumble bit by bit, piece by piece, but i only look on with apathy. the reconstruction is not worth the cost of time.

[mossy saddle]

Feeding that is loads of fun

[steep spindle]

That looks like mine for

[pseudo echo]

the bugs

fuck you biters

[pseudo echo]

WOOOOOOOOOO

still have 3k inserters tho

[vagrant anchor]

Yea, it's not worth unless a section is completely crippled

[steep spindle]

300k till trains 575k till automate trains

[steep spindle]

ITS HAPPENING

WHAT

bro, I'd been asking for a rocket turret for EVER!

wtf is a bulk inserter?

[long mauve]

its the old stack inserter

why you ask?

[steep spindle]

furnaces down!

[long mauve]

boom, double the throughput

[steep spindle]

this is neat!

[modern citrus]

Its neat, but too many in an area get annoying to see past

[steep spindle]

there we go

[long mauve]

true 1000x scale right there, two furnace machines

[steep spindle]

right next to the rest of my mall

[long mauve]

man your mall is so much more clean than mine

also whats your stance on quality

[steep spindle]

havent got there yet

[long mauve]

oh fair

[steep spindle]

but I think a Legendary item sounds cool

[long mauve]

Haha it does but is it practical cost wise?

eventually yes but how long is the question

[steep spindle]

right

I think with this high ass multiplier they will come in handy

[long mauve]

Thats what I was thinking to

the extra cost for machines modules beacons doesnt matter much

[steep spindle]

wait, they only need red/green

O.o

[long mauve]

yeah like all modules

go for it

[steep spindle]

aways to go

[long mauve]

yeah still need that oil stuff

Basically blue science

[steep spindle]

daytime photo

gonna go play some RL

[long mauve]

have fun in RL

havent played that in a couple months at this point

[steep spindle]

current base photo

[long mauve]

Thats very well organiuzed

I usually go for a bunch of smaller buids lol instead of 1 big line

[vagrant anchor]

for x1k definitely, for ups

do yall think i can get to bots without walling up with eff mods?

i want 1.8k spm

[long mauve]

how far away are biters

[vagrant anchor]

600% starting area

but i also have 600% biters

[long mauve]

you'll be fine

if you mess up your entire base is cooked though

[vagrant anchor]

yea im saving checkpoints frequently

hopefully itll be fine

after bots the immediate thing is gonna be walling up

[long mauve]

goodluck lol

[vagrant anchor]

thanks

am gonna need it

[vagrant anchor]

wow i hate handbuilding on such huge scales

[long mauve]

yeah it sucks, I remember hating it. its mindnumbing

[vagrant anchor]

1.8k red sci... gonna do green now

[pseudo echo]

The race is on

[pseudo echo]

the base has to hold out for 2 and a half hours

[vagrant anchor]

behemoths already?

what are the evolution settings

[pseudo echo]

about 1/10th of default

[vagrant anchor]

i set it to 1/10th also

is it really that bad

did you efficiency mod stuff?

[steep spindle]

O.o

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

its time!

[steep spindle]

cool fact, 24hrs in the previous x1k with over powered bots, 32hrs with all hand place and Vanilla

[steep spindle]

train shenanigans activated

[mossy saddle]

Do you have the 2 lab speeds?

[steep spindle]

no I had to stop research for a sec my base about had a blackout of power

[mossy saddle]

That's a huge issue I have too

Only got like 1gw of power

[steep spindle]

upgrading power to red belt right now tho

about to go into editor and make a big ass fucking reactor Boiler style

that explains a little bit...

[mossy saddle]

I've got the normal 6-12 design

[steep spindle]

I did math on belts and got this

[modern citrus]

Yellow belt of coal is 33.33333 boilers. Solid fuel would be 100 boilers. Red belt of solid fuel is 200 boilers, the same amount fed by one offshore pump. Might want to dedicate an oil field or twenty to that… or solar or nuclear

[steep spindle]

fixing it as we speak

simple, yet effective

[steep spindle]

I dont see a problem anymore...

[vagrant anchor]

Or efficiency modules

[steep spindle]

holy

its cooking with gas and bacon grease

[vagrant anchor]

Where do u get that menu

I can't find it

[steep spindle]

hover over the research dont click it

[mossy saddle]

That's interesting lookin

[mossy saddle]

Did you stockpile? XD

[steep spindle]

for a little bit lol

it was while I was building the coal generator

[mossy saddle]

I'll show you my setup when I'm back awake had a long night of making people happy

Good night

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

fireball has you seen th boiler build?

[long mauve]

im scared to know what youve made

[steep spindle]

360mw

3.1 red belts of coal tho

[modern citrus]

You not upgraded to solid fuel?

[steep spindle]

dont even close to oil yet

[long mauve]

beautiful. Im surprised you need that much power this early

[steep spindle]

I'll show base in a sec

here is why....

[modern citrus]

Tech cost x1k means you need a lot of power just to get a reasonable amount of science done

[pseudo echo]

so

it begins

[pseudo echo]

first behemoth biter killed

[zinc creek]

you are so cooked

[vagrant anchor]

no you dont you can get efficiency modules

one 3 belt / 100 boiler setup should get you to bots pretty comfortably

[mossy saddle]

Does using different fuel types give you different results in the steam generator ?

Else I'll start producing better fuel

[steep spindle]

Wow.....

[pseudo echo]

no, with 1 exception

inserter latency legit cannot keep up with spoilage in legendary ||heating tower||

[mossy saddle]

Won't have an issue with that for ages

[steep spindle]

I need an iron fix

😢

[mossy saddle]

this is my setup

[steep spindle]

yah I was gonna do a triple boiler, but didn't have the brain space last night

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

I may take time and do it at some point

oops

xD

[pseudo echo]

base: botted

[mossy saddle]

nice job!

didnt you need to rest mission

[steep spindle]

nice!

working on a car to stop walking now

[pseudo echo]

i love how fucking BEFUDDLED the biters are when against this partifuclar dragontooth

[pseudo echo]

i dont need sleep i need science

[mossy saddle]

me working on furnaces

[pseudo echo]

i have exams in the coming weeks so angry Mission noises

[steep spindle]

so much SPM >.>

[mossy saddle]

I haven't placed all my labs yet

[steep spindle]

wish my base could hold the 2.400 spm its producing

[mossy saddle]

it's not fully working just yet

now expanding all my furnace arrays now that i have bots

[steep spindle]

oh you rushed bots

[mossy saddle]

I don't have trains yet

was working on them though

but

now rushing POWAH

[pseudo echo]

modules alone will upgrade my base to be above 3k spm

just some prod modules in the labs and science assemblers

[mossy saddle]

how much hours are you in your run yet mission xd

[pseudo echo]

nearly 61

im hard capped on SPM simply because of my laptop

[mossy saddle]

how much is it hardcapped rn?

[pseudo echo]

i've got like 6 milliseconds to spare and i'm saving for space science production

[mossy saddle]

damn that's horrible will you survive 1.8k spm of space?

[pseudo echo]

mabye not

actually, probably not

[mossy saddle]

xD how much spm do you have rn?

[pseudo echo]

2700

[mossy saddle]

Maybe do 1.8k?

To survive

[pseudo echo]

well, about to jump to 3100 due to some prod modules

[steep spindle]

happy sitting at 2400 lol

[pseudo echo]

i might to it for starters

or less*

[mossy saddle]

You can always get more later on

Main thing you need is a PC that survives lol

I'm 90% done with building my 3600 blue setup

[pseudo echo]

since i'll be able to get WAYYYYY more ||once i can go interplanetary||

[mossy saddle]

Almost got nuclear power too

So I'm on track

[pseudo echo]

im pushing straight to the rocket RN

[pseudo echo]

im using 200 MW on my fucking roboports as im building my rocket launch facility

(and upgrading ALL the belts in my entire base)

[mossy saddle]

ooo you have a bp for rocket launches?

[pseudo echo]

yes

10 RPM without modules in the silos

some base upgrades took out one of the red science ore inputs temporarily

[pseudo echo]

im constantly being pinged by bots suiciding into still burning flames after biters attacked a section of wall

[vagrant anchor]

"I'm not addicted I can stop any time I want"

Mission you should probably study for your exams

[steep spindle]

we are climbing

[steep spindle]

big prog

[steep spindle]

Can this nightmare end

[long mauve]

oh thats nothign to what you will have to do

[steep spindle]

while true, I was just happy this finally happened

how its not even 400mw is beyond me

[spark idol]

Once you get into space things are gonna get fast

[steep spindle]

modules down

[pseudo echo]

if all goes well i'll have my rocket by the end of today

[steep spindle]

Chem Science was near immediately blasted

[steep spindle]

I have about this much Blues

Chem Researched, and 50hrs in

[mossy saddle]

Pretty sure I haven't seen him say that XD

He has knowledged his addiction

[pseudo echo]

im not an addict im the entire fucking drug trade

[vagrant anchor]

11.5h per day

+faq sleep

[tepid axle]

Sleep

[pseudo echo]

im replacing everything with factorio

[vagrant anchor]

Bro you've played more than me in one day than I have on my current world

How

[pseudo echo]

actually, i got 4 hours of really, really good sleep last night

[pseudo echo]

you havent played enough

[vagrant anchor]

I don't think 4 hours is a healthy amount

[pseudo echo]

for me it is

it just has to be good sleep

[long mauve]

thats insane

thats 2 full time jobs

I rsepect the grind a ton

[mossy saddle]

Lmao

[pseudo echo]

its only gonna get more

[mossy saddle]

Health is going out the door w you mission xD

Don't you have to go outside or eat?

[long mauve]

the factory can grow outside with a laptop, food is easy to eat when you are watching the factory grow

[pseudo echo]

i do

i just leave factorio running on pause

[mossy saddle]

[long mauve]

dedication

[mossy saddle]

Ooh you're afking

[pseudo echo]

no, pausing

well,

i did afk overnight because i had literally nothing else to do than to wait for the rocket to research

[vagrant anchor]

That takes quite a bit of trust that your base works

With biters

[pseudo echo]

i made a backup and i have bots on my defenses

so

it begins

[vagrant anchor]

Oh ig it's fine with a backup

[vagrant anchor]

How many hours total?

[pseudo echo]

71

[vagrant anchor]

Oh wow that's fast

[mossy saddle]

[vagrant anchor]

No companion drones anything?

[pseudo echo]

pure vanilla

rocket in sub 80

im bottlenecked on fucking lab research speed

i guess we doing 2250 spm now

actually i wont have that

just gonna add some more power plants to the grid to keep up

[pseudo echo]

2.2 Gigawatts of burner now

actually i need even more

im forcefully getting more science out of my existing infrastructure

[pseudo echo]

??????

i've sustained 3500 SPM for well over 10 minutes while dealing with a petgas shortage in chemical science

[marble stream]

So, I've got to Gleba
And I need || eggs ||
Ant the only way to get || eggs || with || clean hands || (achievement) is going deep into the wilderness for the || strongest fish ||
Now I'm loading my old save and getting a || tank ||

[vagrant anchor]

This is the source of your biter problems ig

You should probably move to solar to save some ups I bet the biters are a very big part of the ups cost

[vagrant anchor]

That is insane

[mossy saddle]

aaa I wanna click the black bars

[steep spindle]

I noticed pausing the world still increased save hours of you weren't on the main menu. I haven't been afking if I can help it yet

[mossy saddle]

I've accidentally overbuild my steel by double x-x

now tearing ti down

[pseudo echo]

[steep spindle]

A million science packs just took you 8 hours. That's crazy

How many hours in game are you right now like 80?

I just hit 54hrs and researched chem last night

[pseudo echo]

yes

[placid epoch]

biig

[steep spindle]

Makes sense, and the spoiler is probably a platform, but I ain't clicking it

I'm 25hrs behind you and just researched blue's, if I had a build going I might get there

[marble stream]

Two hours after arriving on Gleba I've noticed my music was off 😭

[marble stream]

Are you doing Quality yet?

All I've got so far is a q2 tank and couple of q2 legs

@steep spindle are you gonna yellow/purple first?

[pseudo echo]

researching it rn

space science is gonna take centuries to do

[marble stream]

Hmmm

[pseudo echo]

sorry, space science is gonna take centuries for the machines to make*

[marble stream]

True
It's not slow, but the mining speed is poor

Actually why don't you just spam rockets? @pseudo echo

[pseudo echo]

space age

[marble stream]

Thats why I'm asking
Can't you just spam rockets?

[marble stream]

I mean this sort or rocket

[pseudo echo]

well, i do plan on doing that once i get a good enough platform design

[steep spindle]

I have not gotten quality yet. I have thought about researching it though

[steep spindle]

There's an achievement for going to space and doing a space science research on one of the planets before researching purple or yellow science. I want to do every achievement I can in this base as well

[spark idol]

Yellow and purple tech can be totally subverted too

[spark idol]

What’s your first planet choice?

I guess once you’re in space it’s probably going to be all 3 planets for the new machines

Before any research

That’s the interesting thing about space age, the cost of rockets, quality, machines, are not scaled with the multiplier

[steep spindle]

Volcanus, but have no clue what each do, was just suggested to go that route

[spark idol]

Yeah that’s definitely a good idea

Vulcanus or gleba first

I think gleba looks super promising too

[marble stream]

lolololololol

[steep spindle]

time to start modules I guess, gonna do the 3 50k's first

[steep spindle]

what?

[marble stream]

I went to Gleba
And I still don't have artillery
Are you doing that as well or it's red for you

?

[steep spindle]

going to Vulcanus first

thats all I know

[marble stream]

Can you screen your Artillery achievement?

The Hands one

with red gear

CtlrF arty

🤔

[steep spindle]

these 3?

[marble stream]

Yeh

Hmm
Okay non-Peaceful x1000 doesn't really make sense

[steep spindle]

^

[steep spindle]

What are y'all's thoughts on a steam battery? I'm not close enough to get solar and nuclear is too far away

[pseudo echo]

just place more boilers and engines

a battery is just camoflauge of a power shortage

@marble stream

[pseudo echo]

delving into quality a bit, mainly personal armour

[steep spindle]

attempting to get the deplete an ore patch achievement may have just became simple

[long mauve]

cheater

hows the base going?

[steep spindle]

its not cheating when it works

LOL

[steep spindle]

was trying to find one early before the mining prod and crap kicked in

pressing onwards tho

[long mauve]

dang thats a big base for just red/green

[steep spindle]

Yeah and the 2 steam arrays are 720mw

[long mauve]

almost a gigawatt at red green science, fun times

[steep spindle]

Yeah it's crazy 😂

[steep spindle]

closer

[dusty nymph]

maybe i should "give in" and just do space age x1000 like all the cool kids.

what kind of world settings are standard and acceptable for this?

it seems everyone's cranked the ore up a lot.

[long mauve]

default ore, do it

[dusty nymph]

is anyone else doing it with default ore?

anyway, how about biter settings, also?

i'd just like to make sure i start in a similar way to everyone else.

[vagrant anchor]

600% deathworld, 17% starting area, 17% ores

Though non jokingly if you want biters, 600% starting area and turn down expansion to be quite low and evolution to roughly 1/10 of original

And well most people would do 600% ore richness and size, frequency is up to you

If you want a big challenge go 600% biters, and down turn down evo settings that much

[steep spindle]

Dear God nooooo

[dusty nymph]

well, i might want peaceful mode.

[vagrant anchor]

x1k on deathworld railworld settings

[dusty nymph]

what's everyone else doing?

[vagrant anchor]

Eh with 600% starting area it's quite peaceful at the start

Idk why I typed biters

You need to be prepared for the biter situation though

[dusty nymph]

i'm not even good at dealing with default settings, for the record.

i had to completely quit the SA default world i was on because of this.

[vagrant anchor]

If ur doing this the first time, maybe peaceful mode or turn down evo by a lot

[dusty nymph]

that said, i think i got maybe the worst ever seed.

[vagrant anchor]

If you got an endless desert then...

[dusty nymph]

barely any ores, no oil except for really far away, desert.

[vagrant anchor]

Also, get a good seed if you do biters on x1k

Or turn up grass and forest in mapgen

[dusty nymph]

okay, well. no-one's saying what they're doing so i'm just going to go max richness+size, peaceful mode, all other settings default.

[vagrant anchor]

I would recommend not turning on peaceful, you can turn down biters a ton but can still have some warfare

Especially for the other planets

[dusty nymph]

won't they evolve really fast because of all the pollution i'd have to produce to keep up with the 1000x science demand?

[vagrant anchor]

You can turn down evo by a lot

[dusty nymph]

i'm also just very bad at dealing with biters.

[vagrant anchor]

And also, efficiency modules

[dusty nymph]

but like, late in the tech tree. surely i'll be so many hours in by then.

[vagrant anchor]

You build walls.

[dusty nymph]

yes, i've never really figured out how.

this is why i've abandoned almost every biter world™ i've done.

like, where do i build walls, how do i maintain them automatically, what happens when the resources are invariably really far away and surrounded by biters and past my walls, etc.

[vagrant anchor]

600% starting area turn up grass and forsst

You have more leeway than you think you do

The route I'm going is 1.8k red/green, eff mods, 1.8k blue, bots, military, cuckbox, upgrade to 3.6k and secure perimeter

[vagrant anchor]

Bots and trains

[dusty nymph]

but those are so, so late.

i don't know.

[vagrant anchor]

Since it's x1k machine costs are like a tiny fraction of science costs

[dusty nymph]

and i've never really figured out how to maintain bot walls either.

[vagrant anchor]

You can spare to just stamp down a wall blueprint onto biters

[dusty nymph]

i'd need to supply them with walls and ammo and bots, and have a highly non-convex possibly very long bot network (bad).

[vagrant anchor]

On this scale, train resources to individual bot pods

[dusty nymph]

sure.

[vagrant anchor]

Don't connect them all together in one network

[dusty nymph]

the barrier is mostly mental. i just never was able to handle all of that overhead just to get resources.

[steep spindle]

damn you WUBE!!!! you can't cheese it 😢

[dusty nymph]

this is why i play in peaceful.

[vagrant anchor]

And you can build a square wall

[steep spindle]

the Dev's of this game I swear

[vagrant anchor]

Nah you won't have a resource problem in x1k

It's quite slow

[dusty nymph]

i don't know what to do with expansion settings.

[vagrant anchor]

Way slower than the biter issues in normaler science multis at least

[vagrant anchor]

You can turn it off if you want

[dusty nymph]

i've kind of lost motivation to start this, anyway. i was hoping someone would just tell me what they were doing.

[vagrant anchor]

Well that's what I'm doing

[dusty nymph]

oh, were you?

[vagrant anchor]

You can try what @steep spindle is doing also

[vagrant anchor]

Yes it's all continuous biter nests outside my starting area

[steep spindle]

big Progress!
and
the base is starting! and what other than to kick it off with the Dedicated MoW. Or for the rest of this place through know as "The Mall on Wheels"

[pseudo echo]

seems like i overbuilt space science slightly

still getting 60 UPS, but barely ¯_(ツ)_/¯

its climbing

[mossy saddle]

don't forget to take care of your health too mission rest is useful XD

[pseudo echo]

i have begun overnight afks simply because i've had literally nothing else to do but wait