High Science Multiplier

[marble stream]

Anyway tell me if you see something interesting like new yellow inserters

Third try of Maraphon on Rails (1:30) \o/

[steep spindle]

I hadn't looked to far into the tech trees but I may when I get home

[marble stream]

I mean literal yellow inserters

They've removed ||purple|| as you can see on red science

[steep spindle]

This is as far as I got

Literally placed that down and hit save

@mossy saddle how far are you

[mossy saddle]

Nearly got underground belts

But got invited to do cs

Lol

[steep spindle]

I'm going to get underground belts by the end of this evening hopefully

45k science packs just seems ridiculous

[mossy saddle]

it fun doe

[marble stream]

I only need 2k green but I only have an hour in my lazy bastard marathon 😭

[steep spindle]

I'm maybe 15minutes into mine

[pseudo echo]

im gathering the materials for the 2 major researches

i have been HORRENDOUSLY slow today so

[mossy saddle]

did they make it possible to change research queue in sa? 👀

[marble stream]

Swap yes
But you can't queue some researches lol

[mossy saddle]

rip

[stuck dove]

I got green science (I should probably be spoiling my images tbh)

[stuck dove]

would that be ||electric miners|| and ||splitters/undergrounds||?
in my 1.0 x1000, I did lights before logistics (splitters/undergrounds) and I did it again here, though I'm only on x100

I don't think I can get lights on my lab setup though

[mossy saddle]

I'm going full dark mode again

[mossy saddle]

I'm going to grind further tomorrow 69% done with logistics

[steep spindle]

Lmao 🤣,

[stuck dove]

I'm at around 270 spm red/green since I did not max ore patch size and I'm on one rn

I hope I can make it to bots without having to add more

[steep spindle]

O.o

[stuck dove]

yeah it's cool

[steep spindle]

damn it

I just want some peace 😢

duuuude

these diamond things are new...

[long mauve]

want to know what it is

[steep spindle]

ummmm

[cerulean orbit]

Some might say that it's quite a feature

[long mauve]

its not a big deal: its the effects that higher quality will change

[steep spindle]

I feel like it is a Quality item?

[long mauve]

ding ding ding

[steep spindle]

lol

the research timer thing is nice

NO NO NO NO NO

WHAT

[cerulean orbit]

Yes, they made it so that all inserters are filter inserters

[steep spindle]

we gonna need a lot of these

[stuck dove]

this looks very clean

100 labs w/ 30s research

[elder rover]

damn son, the spoilable science packs

this is going to be a fun long haul

[steep spindle]

almost have Logistics down

[steep spindle]

fixed the hell and gained 6MW of power

Stopping here for the evening

[vagrant anchor]

Are you handfeeding the burner miners

[steep spindle]

Currently yeah

Only way early game to not hate yourself

[vagrant anchor]

Well yea ig electric miners are only 25k anyways

Not that bad

Handfeedable amount

[steep spindle]

45k if you do logistics first, which I did

[vagrant anchor]

Hmm why logistics first though?

You can build around no logistics quite easily but burner miners...

[steep spindle]

Splitters are way easier to route things

[vagrant anchor]

Oh I usually do like nicely ratioed builds pre logistics

So it isn't a problem

Imma do a normal run of spage first for the experience then do a x1k run

[steep spindle]

I just jumped in head first x1k

[vagrant anchor]

Enemies off right?

[steep spindle]

Pure vanilla, and no they are on

[vagrant anchor]

Even nauvis biters? Uhh 💀

[steep spindle]

Yep

[vagrant anchor]

I think ur gonna have some problems

Fun though

[steep spindle]

We will see, I think it will be a fun challenge

[vagrant anchor]

If u can consolidate on nauvis the run should be set

Nauvis cannot fall though

What are the biter settings?

[steep spindle]

No Evo, pollution, expansion

So they stay small

And peaceful mode is on

[vagrant anchor]

Oh no evo

[steep spindle]

I contemplated turning it off but it's only 1 achievement

[vagrant anchor]

I thought u did with evo and they attack lol

No evo and peaceful shld be quite simple

[steep spindle]

Yeah, wanted then on but not a nuisance

For the achievements and stuff

Things to go after while the base builds

[vagrant anchor]

I think for my x1k spage I'll do with evo and attacks

Since I'll know the tech tree decently by then

Would be fun

Will probably have recursive bps to make life a little easier though

[steep spindle]

I wanted pure vanilla so I could also get achievements

[umbral wedge]

some achievements are locked behind default biter settings

so you still can't get 'em

[steep spindle]

The only one not locked was an artillery one

[umbral wedge]

the "kill the first biter nest with artillery" one, okay

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[pseudo echo]

I really need to get moving

Like, really

Need to remind myself that it’s only temporary infrastructure

[mossy saddle]

Hehe I got no peaceful mode

Want to see the world burn!

[marble stream]

Two minutes late
Lazy Marathon Train
Third try
Now I gonna use a blueprint of this
Going for 97.7%

At least I have a good save 40 minutes ago

[steep spindle]

This was what held me back for like 15-30m, but then I said screw it I'll use the stuff elsewhere

[marble stream]

If you have undergrounds it's easy lol

[marble stream]

Hmm
Have you considered piping a half-coal belt through a copper patch to it's easy to make half-coal half-copper belt?

[pseudo echo]

im working on it rn, ive got the mats just need to build the assemblers

[steep spindle]

I had gotten splitter and underground tech which made it easier to collapse and get electric miners. Hand feeding all the damn burner miners of what is holding me up at the moment. I think I need another 20k reds, but once I log in I'm going to double everything where I left off which should be about 500/m

I only have the 1 smelter of copper and iron ATM so having to make sure with that

[marble stream]

That's why im asking
self-feeding miners are easier

[steep spindle]

True, but I don't know if 20k reds left it would be worth it to route a belt. You do make me ponder that now tho

Wonder if I should just work on cranking up power for the miners

[marble stream]

Hmm
How many times do you have to refill then with 50 coal?

@steep spindle just build 2x miners so you have to fill them 2x rare lol

Will take literal seconds to add and will save you half the trips

[mossy saddle]

many many times...

[marble stream]

How many exactly?

[mossy saddle]

I don't know how many all I know is I've walked to my coal snake atleast 20x now lol

[steep spindle]

Way to much to count tbh, I'm doing it prolly every 5-10 minutes

[marble stream]

You need 13500 coal for iron miners for 45k sci

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

Which is why I was like if I'm getting the miners soon might not be worth

[marble stream]

270 stacks
Totally worth either placing 50+ miners or making autofill

[pseudo echo]

finally

[mossy saddle]

nice job mission!

I'm at 87% on electrics can't wait

[marble stream]

@steep spindle srsly go build 50 miners

Just for coal storage

[steep spindle]

I have an outpost of coal miners

[mossy saddle]

burner miners work fine for me just got to use my legs a lil more

[steep spindle]

Gives me about 1k per pick up

[mossy saddle]

oh only 1 o-o

[steep spindle]

Yeh, don't need a crazy amount just enough to get there

[steep spindle]

You get miners yet

[mossy saddle]

I get roughly 2K mainly because I have to feed 200 burners

96%

then I have miners

I only make 900 spm so it takes a couple of mins sadly

[marble stream]

Okay I've spent my precious 3 minuts to show yall what you should do

@steep spindle @mossy saddle

[mossy saddle]

I just achieved eminers

I don't mind handfeeding I have something to do then

[pseudo echo]

it works i guess

the resources come fomr a stockpile

[mossy saddle]

neatly arranged

[mossy saddle]

I was going to say normal factorio is less pain in the butt when researching till I find out you need alot more iron then I thought

[marble stream]

Wym

[mossy saddle]

in sek2 it had diff resources to make science

not just 2

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I already understood the feedback loop, got it all over the base. The problem is, are you hand feeding the top coal miners now?

[steep spindle]

Gratz

[marble stream]

Well yes but 10x less often

[pseudo echo]

so

uhhh

i forgot to include markers on the resource inputs of my base BP

[marble stream]

70x if you add 3rd row

Infinityx if you build a proper build same as on the left

I just was lazy

[mossy saddle]

xD I didn't run that much I had 3.2k coal snake near my miners so barely runnin

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I guess my point was you had talked about not handfeeding at all and that still had that I think. I'm going to be out of the burner phase today anyway. Going to still attempt to get trains quick

[steep spindle]

Sounds like we either post here or Space Age channels now

[marble stream]

Me still no spoiler

I don't look them

So plz here

[steep spindle]

I'm not planning on there for a while either

Because I want to at least see the victory screen first

[steep spindle]

@plucky panther

[plucky panther]

ooooh someone else is doing the same?

[steep spindle]

Quite a few in here 😁

[pseudo echo]

yes

[plucky panther]

nice, looking forward to seeing megabase levels of production to unlock plastics

[pseudo echo]

i've got a 2700 SPM planed base for get me chemical science

[plucky panther]

yup, megabase levels for chem science

[pseudo echo]

here it is. the square up top is the starting revealed map

i've slowly begun the construction of it

[plucky panther]

only 6 furnace arrays?

[pseudo echo]

huh?

[plucky panther]

these

[pseudo echo]

those are 1800 labs

[plucky panther]

oh. LOL

[pseudo echo]

you can see the belt input markings

[plucky panther]

yeah I thought those were raw resources

oh you mean on the left
ok fair enough

gonna bring by trains or just belt it?

[pseudo echo]

belts

well

red and green belted

WOOOOOO

[plucky panther]

greens belts?

[steep spindle]

Nice

[pseudo echo]

?

[plucky panther]

you said red and green belted so I'm confused

[pseudo echo]

red science and green science will have belted inputs*

[plucky panther]

OH

ok that makes more sense already

[pseudo echo]

and probably blue

[plucky panther]

did you future proof for blue already?

[mossy saddle]

killed my base for the first time since electric miners

[plucky panther]

oh did you guys think about bot production already?

[pseudo echo]

i built blue into the BP

the end of blue science marks interplanetary and prod/util science would have been an actual nightmare to set up due to my UPS issues

[plucky panther]

won't interplanetary make UPS even worse?

[pseudo echo]

no

firstly, ||Vulcanus's foundry basically double how much i get out of an ore||
secondly, ||the EMP is a massive increase in productivity for circuits||

[mossy saddle]

I am using 0 already made bps just balancers

I am happy I'm done designing inserters

[plucky panther]

oh that's what you mean. I meant making the factories there will tank your UPS as well

[pseudo echo]

well

less than using nauvis machines only

[plucky panther]

fair enough

[pseudo echo]

aight

[steep spindle]

You already have ups issues?

[pseudo echo]

the skeleton of the base is online

[pseudo echo]

no

when designing the BP's, the red+green+blue base used about 50% of what i had excluding power and mining

[plucky panther]

ayy nice

[steep spindle]

Wonder what I'm researching after miners

[modern citrus]

Hey…. Did upping the research cost also affect the “researches” from making plates? Or are those “figure out by doing” gimme techs unaffected by the tech cost increase?

[steep spindle]

Those stayed normal it looks like

I haven't checked anything past green science tho

[modern citrus]

Ok. Making 50k iron plates just to get basic electricity seemed a bit … like a punishment lol

[marble stream]

Waitwhat

[steep spindle]

Oh heeelllll no

Could you imagine the amount of time in burner phase

[modern citrus]

As I said, punishing

[modern citrus]

Tech cost x1000. I asked if that applied to the techs to get steam engines and green circuits. 50 iron plate for the gimme steam power tech; 10 copper plate for the gimme green circuit tech. That would be 50k iron plate and 10k copper plate if the tech cost multiplier applied. Thankfully, according to GGs, it does not

[plucky panther]

not really. You'll be using far more than 50k iron plates before you get anywhere anyways

[modern citrus]

I got through to purple in a tech cost x1k game myself. I get the difficulties of the early game. Requiring making 50k iron plate before getting electricity up and running sounds cruel to me. I’m glad they did not make the multiplier affect these gimme techs

[marble stream]

Lol

Okay

[steep spindle]

running my weekly system scan, then I'll log in to double check but I'm 100% certain it wasnt affected

[modern citrus]

Just check Oil Processing; if the gimme techs are unaffected you only have to put one pumpjack down. If they are … good luck finding 1000 oil splotches!

[modern citrus]

Steel axe only takes 50 steel plates being produced, yay?

[steep spindle]

its being expanded

[plucky panther]

it would be mining it 1000 times rather than placing 1000 pumpjacks, so that's just time consuming

but yeahs seems trigger research don't get 1000x which is nice

[modern citrus]

1000 seconds is a decently long time …

[plucky panther]

I agree, but with an oil patch say 8 patches, that goes down to 125 seconds

so 2 minutes

that's....acceptable

[steep spindle]

damn it

trying to crank this now lol

the raging burner phase

is almost over

[plucky panther]

soon!!!

[steep spindle]

science is being cranked out

so its still 1:2 Boiler to steam engine.... but its like what 1:100 for the offshore pump to boiler?

[marble stream]

It was 1:20:40 now it's 1:200:400

[steep spindle]

HOLY !@#$%

[marble stream]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1fqnvhv/my_new_earlygame_1200400_build/

I even shitposted on that matter

[marble stream]

@steep spindle r u gonna build this?

[steep spindle]

oh dear God....

[plucky panther]

don't worry

[steep spindle]

that looks nice

[plucky panther]

that's not the worst

silo tech is still 1000 science btw

[steep spindle]

meh, 1M science packs wasnt to bad

[plucky panther]

and it's not the most expensive

even without including infinite science

[marble stream]

Hmmm
Considering your production scale you can already start using it everywhere

Do you have ele smelters yet?

Hmm

Then in drills I guess

[steep spindle]

the electric drill?

no

barely got a half lane of copper going right nmow

[marble stream]

Hmm
With 3 mods in drills you gonna have 0.12%
I guess all your buildings gonna be soon

[steep spindle]

Have to go back to work but smashed 40% prog

[plucky panther]

congratz and gl at work

[steep spindle]

30 minutes extra and then we can actually start grinding it

[pseudo echo]

expanded power

[steep spindle]

My problem with this challenge is also having to get military science but because I didn't get military in the last one I wanted to make it to where I needed to

Needing a couple hundred thousand science packs is going to be interesting

[pseudo echo]

im getting close to being able to being automating science

[steep spindle]

Automating it where you stop having to hand feed?

[pseudo echo]

yes

well

im still building the base

but i think i have enough power now

[steep spindle]

Nice directly. After I get the electric miners I'll be in the same boat

[pseudo echo]

im getting gun turrets, radars, and fast insertes first things

[steep spindle]

I have to get one of the military techs soon too

Thankfully they are only 10k

Radar is more tho isn't it?

I didn't check

Might get that first tbh

[pseudo echo]

radar is 20k

[steep spindle]

Oh so the cost of 2 military techs

🧐🤔

[pseudo echo]

?

[steep spindle]

The 10k turret and 10k shotgun

[mossy saddle]

Cute

[steep spindle]

70% on miners

[mossy saddle]

I've already got the radars heeheh

[steep spindle]

5hrs in

[mossy saddle]

I'll check what I have

Green is also setup on my save

[pseudo echo]

wait WHAT

[mossy saddle]

Qué?

[steep spindle]

Huh?

[pseudo echo]

^

[mossy saddle]

Green science

[steep spindle]

[pseudo echo]

its the speed

[mossy saddle]

Oh lmao

It's not so fast imo

I thought you'd already have done it too

[pseudo echo]

im 9 hours

what SPM?

[mossy saddle]

To be fair I did hand-feed 250 miners with coal

Rn 900 spm

[steep spindle]

Ahh I'm sitting at 300 rn

But about to crank directly after electric miners

[mossy saddle]

I'll show you what I have when I'm back home

[pseudo echo]

im busy building the first 900 SPM red science module

[mossy saddle]

It's a mess though...

It took my 10m to figure out how to make enough inserters for green science xd

Cus I made it weird

[steep spindle]

I need to jump on my old save and just yeet the BP

[mossy saddle]

I am not using bps

I'm just building and copying what I build

[steep spindle]

Gonna crack 1k SPM tomorrow I think

[pseudo echo]

science automated

450 ish SPM because i dont wannt build the labs with yellow inserters

[steep spindle]

Nicely done

[pseudo echo]

so

i plugged iron ore into a copper smelting stack

TIMES FOUR

[mossy saddle]

how many labs do you have?

[pseudo echo]

1800

arragend in 60 30-long chains

[mossy saddle]

o-o

that's alot!

what I have atm

[plucky panther]

did blueprints string change between 1.1 and 2.0? if I have a 1.1 blueprint string, will 2.0 read it correctly?

[marble stream]

forward yes
backward idk
rails will bork
how you even got in this thread

[plucky panther]

AH
I thought I was in factorio chat, my bad

and I've been here a while

[marble stream]

hmm true

I don't remember peoples who don't multiply themselves (I hope it was a joke. I hope.)

[plucky panther]

who don't multiply themselves? are you making fun of me for my lack of marital status

(off topic but side thread so should be ok?)

[marble stream]

You see literally everyone here has x1000 server nickname

[steep spindle]

I @'ed them

[plucky panther]

OOOH that's what you meant
fair enough. I'm not doing a x1000 run but I'm following other people's that's why

[marble stream]

Yeh me too
I'm still struggling with x4 lazy-bastard train in 1:30

yk what's a lazy bastard, right?

[plucky panther]

I do

I did a run myself one time

[steep spindle]

@marble stream they are getting more strict with what goes in the #vanilla-chat channel and I was told my SA x1k was space age and shouldn't go on that channel

[mossy saddle]

@pseudo echo how far are you off green?

[marble stream]

Hmmm
Do they mean to move #1188693488464834623 or we can remain here?

[steep spindle]

We can remain here I think

[pseudo echo]

still setting up my 2700 SPM red

[steep spindle]

Have you researched green yet

[pseudo echo]

no

[steep spindle]

I might just to also start stock piling

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

green is fully setup and ready to boot up when I get it

after that I can easily upgrade it to 1.8k spm

[steep spindle]

I have a 1800 green red, I just want electric miners

[mossy saddle]

those damn electric miners right!

[steep spindle]

Lol

[pseudo echo]

fast inserters

finally

[steep spindle]

You are cooking with gas, aren't those 30k?

[pseudo echo]

yes

now

GRIND

[steep spindle]

Screenshot your tech tree with the completed please 😭😭

[pseudo echo]

placing about a thousand inserters

?

[steep spindle]

I just wanted to see what you'd done

[mossy saddle]

damn

see we're not that far!

[steep spindle]

I have the first 4+ logistics

[pseudo echo]

fuck

that was dehumanizing

1k inserters

[mossy saddle]

I've placed roughly 14k inserters x-x

I'm crying

[pseudo echo]

im logging off for the night

made major progress today, should have logistics science up TMR aswell

[mossy saddle]

nice job mission!

good night

[plucky panther]

nice

you guys gonna go faster than me at this rate

[mossy saddle]

are you also using a multiplier?

[steep spindle]

I think they just joined to see progress because of this

they are getting more strict with what goes in the #vanilla-chat channel and I was told my SA x1k was space age and shouldn't go on that channel

[mossy saddle]

ouch more strict is scary

I'll hide from that chat

[plucky panther]

I'm not. thinking of doing it next run but idk where to start

[mossy saddle]

the way I start I just yolo it

build big from the start and make sure you have enough space

I'm going to bed now nearly have steel furnaces but I'm to tired good night

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

can't wait to see your progress silly goose

[steep spindle]

Lmao, we will see what happens I might just get electric miners because Warcraft raid tonight

[steep spindle]

over producing my labs again lol

[steep spindle]

5hr 45m, no more burner phase

[plucky panther]

[steep spindle]

the last patch powering itself lol

[plucky panther]

the rightmost miner doesn't power itself

wait
can you flip buner miners

[stuck dove]

you cannot flip burner miners

or pumpjacks

[steep spindle]

xD

[plucky panther]

[plucky panther]

that's rly sad ngl

[steep spindle]

Gotta go do WoW raid.

[plucky panther]

base should hold itself while you're gone

have fun

[steep spindle]

no afk time allowed

[elder rover]

What SPM you guys going for in space age?

[steep spindle]

gonna attempt 3600 when I can get there, but have a bp for 1800

[elder rover]

İ am contemplatingif İ want to do a ribbonworld as my first run in space age lol

i love doing that

i should probably just go normal settings and not over do it

[long mauve]

Im starting with normal settings then ill go crazy with some settings and make a huge base

[steep spindle]

:)

[vagrant anchor]

What spm? It seems to me that you will have quite bad ups problems later on

If it's like 1.8k or 2.7k

[steep spindle]

i had 1800 into 3600 and was fine

[steep spindle]

not even a full power grid yet

[steep spindle]

talk about blasting. I have to sleep tho

65k science packs down, researching radars now

[steep spindle]

Well I increase it like crazy tomorrow hopefully

[pseudo echo]

:)

[plucky panther]

niiiice

das a lot of science

expecting to keep that kind of throughput even through chemical science?

[pseudo echo]

yes

my biggest enemy is UPS, but it should be fine until i can get the better machines

[plucky panther]

we'll see I suppose

byut damn 2.8k spm all throughout, good luck

skipping yellow and purple to go directly fulgora/vulcanus?

[pseudo echo]

yes

i wont survive the UPS if i set them up on nauvis

[plucky panther]

yeah figured

[pseudo echo]

busy working on the first bit of green science rn

[pseudo echo]

im nearly done with green science

well, 2/3 of the green science

just need to place some inserters

[plucky panther]

how many

[pseudo echo]

yes

a bit under 1800 on the science assemblers alone

[plucky panther]

that's

surprisingly reasonable

[pseudo echo]

[plucky panther]

ayyy production has started

[pseudo echo]

hello

[plucky panther]

the lone neighbors

gonna give them some company?

[pseudo echo]

not yet

[stuck dove]

well now that you unlocked splitters and undergrounds, you can do sushi

[steep spindle]

I'm not sushi'ing haha, I'm going to break out my 1800/m red/green and go from there

They are heavily modding all Space Age playthroughs which is totally understandable in #vanilla-chat

[vagrant anchor]

With quality, you could probably be fine

Without it, idk, since I expect the late game sciences to be quite expensive too

[steep spindle]

I haven't sent how expensive that is yet

But I've heard it's a nightmare

[vagrant anchor]

Haven't either, but I'm doing a default settings spage first to see how it can be done nicely (also since I want to do it with proper enemies)

[stuck dove]

my graph is not pretty
putting ||quality modules in the belt/inserter assemblers for green science|| was a mistake

oh wait no, im just out of electricity, thank god

[vagrant anchor]

That looks like painfully slow spm for x1k

[stuck dove]

i am only 100x

[vagrant anchor]

And already ups concerns?

[stuck dove]

I am at max ups wym

[vagrant anchor]

Concerns, not yet problems

Oh wait

Wrong person

Should really get more sleep lol

[mossy saddle]

that's mission you silly goose

[steep spindle]

[stuck dove]

I finally caved and got a second iron patch before personal roboport

but I didnt want to build it so I just snaked roboports over there

[pseudo echo]

i got my 2700 spm green up and running

[steep spindle]

I will be attempting to get my 3600 red green build going this evening

[mossy saddle]

Ggs my world is cursed with forests

So much wood

[stuck dove]

RIP

[steep spindle]

Hey, look at it. From the bright side you won't run out of power

I made my world have more rocks for stone and coal

[stuck dove]

grenades only 20k red+green, after 10k red for military

and for another several hundred thousand research, you can make them oneshot trees

(idk if breakpoint changed in 2.0)

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

I'm also researching because I have biters on this time around.

Fuck trees taking more than 1 grenade

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

thats why I'm overproducing the nades hehe

this is what I have rn

[steep spindle]

You are hauling so fast, what hours are you at?

[plucky panther]

are blue inserters necessary? that's be like 20k science saved

[steep spindle]

30k and yeah

They make life easier

[plucky panther]

that's fair

[mossy saddle]

14h to be fair I did afk for 2hrs just now since I had to grab some food xd

so I think I'm pretty slow

[steep spindle]

I'm at just shy of 6hrs

[mossy saddle]

also for gears you need the speed to keep up with the production

[mossy saddle]

you're going faster then me I think

[steep spindle]

With this

[mossy saddle]

I'm not using any bps this run

[plucky panther]

or more assemblers, setup so you work off inserter speed rather than assembler speed

[mossy saddle]

so I got to figure things out in a painfull way

[steep spindle]

Nor am I atm

[mossy saddle]

I'm using the ratios and fast inserters don't ask that much more electricity to run

[steep spindle]

Gonna be grabbing my big ass red/green one from my previous world tho

[mossy saddle]

gimme

[mossy saddle]

the nades will be used so I can easily produce 5k spm

[steep spindle]

Also this far in to radars

[mossy saddle]

where do I find that screen?

[steep spindle]

Hover over the research

At the top right

[mossy saddle]

oh I'm stupid I always press the button instead of hovering xd

I'm 60% done with faster research too

[steep spindle]

15 v 8

So you have doubled me in research right now

But not after tonight hehe

Gonna build the 1800 minimum this evening

And haul ass

[mossy saddle]

by tonight I'll have full red belts and 4.8k spm setup normally

since I already have the stuff I need to use the blue assemblers and steel mines

[steep spindle]

The difference is you'll have blue assemblers and I won't. So my build will catapult the minute I get blue assemblers

[mossy saddle]

xD true!

so

I should go for more then 4.8k spm?

[steep spindle]

Noooooooooo

😭

[mossy saddle]

maybe I'll go 5.4 mainly due to 1.8k x3 xD

unless my math is going insane

[steep spindle]

gotta get the lunch break craktorio in

[mossy saddle]

sharing is caring

so I get a bite

[steep spindle]

gonna get this in at lunch time

[plucky panther]

it's about the reserach cost

[mossy saddle]

research cost is a small price for more compact faster designs

[plucky panther]

yeah, that's fair

[mossy saddle]

well to me atleast xd

[steep spindle]

I'd rather this not be this much tbh

lmao

did they lower that to 5s/pack...

lmao...

[plucky panther]

iirc it was always 5s per pack

[pseudo echo]

im getting ready to move onto the next sciences. just waiting for techs to unlock :3

i have cars unlocking right now

[steep spindle]

I'm getting thsi then going back to work

[mossy saddle]

how far are you in the tech tree mission

@steep spindle ready to build a big boy

[steep spindle]

tonight yes

[mossy saddle]

I forgot to paste the image lol

[marble stream]

I think you need to rething building
Stationary roboports are avesome

[steep spindle]

obv automation unlocked, but back to work

[steep spindle]

That would explain why my world broke. I now have to build everything from scratch because the x1k base in 1.1 just had all of its belts deleted. Which would explain why every single blueprint I had vanished

So I'm going to have to literally rebrain all of it from scratch

Might be able to sacrifice the machines. I don't know yet

[mossy saddle]

xD

sounds like loads of fun

[steep spindle]

Oh I'm malding right now

[mossy saddle]

good luck though

[steep spindle]

Brain power activated! 💪

[mossy saddle]

how much spm

are you going for?

[steep spindle]

Prolly either 1800 or 2700

Off rip

[mossy saddle]

even with blue assemblers?

[steep spindle]

Tired of this 400-600

[mossy saddle]

I'll go same with blue as you so that we are roughly same speed

[steep spindle]

The brain power gonna kill me

[mossy saddle]

I build brainless

this is the abomination I'm making rn

[plucky panther]

I swear, anybody that doesn't know factorio would think red is your favourite color

cuz that's a lot of red pots

[steep spindle]

I mean

I have a slight design, but the rest is "oh this looks fine fuck the rest"

[mossy saddle]

got to change to green some xd

bottom will be green science

[plucky panther]

ok that's already better xD

[mossy saddle]

they take a lil longer to make sadly

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I still have the assembly layout of both builds so I'm just going to have to reconnect and reconfigure belts

Not to mad now

[mossy saddle]

can't wait to see

[steep spindle]

I'm grilling burgers tonight so it will be a bit haha

[mossy saddle]

can't wait to get a burger delivered tomorrow morning

also some fries?

[steep spindle]

🤣

[steep spindle]

I'm not in charge of the extras

[mossy saddle]

suggest it!

[steep spindle]

Maybe

[stuck dove]

I feel like this is a bug, but try pressing alt+R or alt+G

[steep spindle]

When I log in tonight sure

[mossy saddle]

the wires?

alt g is probably the red one I suppose since it opens gforce for me xd

[stuck dove]

yeah lol, doesn't need research
G is for Green and R is for Red

[mossy saddle]

didn't know you needed research for those either

I haven't had a need for it yet

[stuck dove]

you're supposed to need research for the circuits, I'm pretty sure

[mossy saddle]

yep circuit technology

[steep spindle]

I wondered why I had them immediately after researching the automation

[steep spindle]

Do we report it to the devs

Cause I have it too

[marble stream]

I think it's a feature
Same as with blueprints

You were able to bp wires anyways

[steep spindle]

Bp wires were always a thing, but having access to the whole system before you unlock it doesn't sound right

[marble stream]

Wires are same as bps
You don't have combs, that's the point

[steep spindle]

Do you have combinators?

[stuck dove]

no, just the red/green wires

[mossy saddle]

ggs

everything is build just waiting for the belts now

[steep spindle]

So @marble stream may be onto something, what does the tech for the combinators have

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

nearly 65% on belts too

hehe

[steep spindle]

☠️

xD

[mossy saddle]

you'll pass me in no time

let me have this small lead

[steep spindle]

Must blast

How many techs you have down? 16

[mossy saddle]

damn you guessed it right lol

[steep spindle]

Lmao, ez math

[mossy saddle]

69% done with belts now

200k science though..

that's alot

[steep spindle]

You had 15 5 hours ago

That's how I mathed it

[mossy saddle]

oh smart

the long wait for the red belts

should have it in an hour

[mossy saddle]

[plucky panther]

well
have fun

huge boost

[mossy saddle]

yeah expensive though all the iron to make alot ofthem

[plucky panther]

true

I wonder which will end up costing more
the iron for belts
or the iron for every science ever

[mossy saddle]

iron for every science

by alot

xD

already mined 4.3m iron

[elder rover]

https://tenor.com/view/it-starts-lion-king-timon-begins-shrug-gif-7443934

[mossy saddle]

good luck

[elder rover]

bunch of QOL mods only

doing a 512 high ribbon world

big rich resources, but 50% scarce

peaceful mode

seems this is the most expensive

not too bad, in my modded game i had ultra reactors or whatever and i believe 50m was the highest lol

[mossy saddle]

5m ouchie

[steep spindle]

chump change

its growing

[steep spindle]

I just lost 30 minutes because I mod got reinstalled and I didnt realize it

[plucky panther]

OOF that sucks

[modern citrus]

Least it was only a half hour, and not multiple hours

[steep spindle]

have to end it here tonight

[steep spindle]

true

[long mauve]

ey you got splitters, and im assuming miners

wait are biters on?

[steep spindle]

Yes

[long mauve]

I think you told me that and i just forgot

[steep spindle]

I'm that far in

[long mauve]

Thats pretty far. i wouldve saved radars for much much later

[steep spindle]

I got them to start revealing for biters

[long mauve]

gotcha

[steep spindle]

To see what way not to expand

Working walls now

Then prolly steel

[long mauve]

yeah, and then just keep going onto blue science

[steep spindle]

All my bps bricked because the belt mod I had didn't port over

So all the belts literally deleted themselves

[long mauve]

have you tried downgrading them to a tier thats in vanilla, then back up when in 2.0?

[steep spindle]

All the blue belt prints also died

[long mauve]

rip

[steep spindle]

So Im doing this base literally from scratch

[long mauve]

thats how it should be for space age I feel like

[steep spindle]

True

[long mauve]

especially when you have so much time with 1000x

[steep spindle]

Only thing that didn't die was balancers

[long mauve]

thats all im bringing over, and I havent even used any yet lol

Theres not a real need if you use 1-1 trains

[steep spindle]

I have also yet to use one

[mossy saddle]

lots of waiting

[mossy saddle]

Ooo also turrets!

[pseudo echo]

steel cooking

[pseudo echo]

:)

[plucky panther]

niiiice

huge progress

[mossy saddle]

how far are you in the tree?

[pseudo echo]

currently queueing oil gathering

[mossy saddle]

damn you are flying past the researches xd

did you afk?

[pseudo echo]

no :3

cant risk AFK because of biters

[mossy saddle]

how much spm are you at rn

[pseudo echo]

automation 2

[pseudo echo]

2700 minus some issues

[mossy saddle]

oh wait aren't you the silly goose with the rush to go to a planet cus of pc?

[pseudo echo]

yes

[mossy saddle]

that explains who I'm so slow

how many hours are you in the urn

run

[pseudo echo]

20

[mossy saddle]

you can do it sir

[pseudo echo]

im slow but making up by playing basicalyl every single second i can

[mossy saddle]

I still have to design everything x-x

does look neat thoo

you'll have to show some ss of your base

[pseudo echo]

other than the power plant up north, this is everything

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[mossy saddle]

is the right side blue science?

[pseudo echo]

yes

[mossy saddle]

what happend

[pseudo echo]

tree + biters

[mossy saddle]

xD that's so hard to see

did you drop coal on it or somethin

[pseudo echo]

?

[mossy saddle]

tree looks like it has black things as leaves

[pseudo echo]

i fear the power requirements i will have to fulfil

[mossy saddle]

I just did mine

roughly making 600-800 MW

still got to fix some things

[pseudo echo]

im gonna use oil -> solid fuel

i think

400 oil becomes 9 solid fuel...

hmmmm

oooooo

full red belt of solid fuel perfectly fits the 1:200:400 ratio

[pseudo echo]

oil researched

i'll work on shit when i get home

[steep spindle]

You are cruising, in going to need to start making a bigger layout of science

Got the next smelter down

[mossy saddle]

my base is also up and running

[pseudo echo]

14400 SPM in SA only needs like 500 machines excluding resoruce gathering

totally relevant i know

[steep spindle]

If I'm able to play tonight I want a minimum of which is going to require a lot of running around because it's all from scratch unless I can find a way to reactivate belts

[mossy saddle]

if you got all machines?

[pseudo echo]

and quality and modules

[steep spindle]

You already got the 500k quality one?

[pseudo echo]

no

what i meant is that 14400 SPM requires around 500 machines exlcuding gathering, post game

[mossy saddle]

I'm such an idiot I made 2 belts from 4 and I was thinking why am I not getting 3.6k spm x-x

[pseudo echo]

fucking lovely

biters attacksed a smelting stack

i have show expansion candidates enabled

big biters now

yep

military is the next science

there is anothere one

found it

[steep spindle]

Ruh roh

[pseudo echo]

interesting

the items have random slight tints (to aid in visibility with fast belts)

[steep spindle]

Is that new?

[pseudo echo]

yes

reason being: ||it was hard to see movement direction on the new tier of belts||

stonks

[steep spindle]

Almost a gigawatt of power. Good Lord

[pseudo echo]

about the same amount i had in my 1.1. 1000x (pre nuclear)

[pseudo echo]

where is everyone's progress at?

[steep spindle]

I'm just now getting walls

But I'm also at 500spm

So I need to whip that up a lot, but all my bps died

Gonna attempt to get an 1800 build online tonight

[mossy saddle]

Cute

[mossy saddle]

Uhhh I'm idk where

[steep spindle]

Adorable right

[mossy saddle]

I had the same before I started big boy up

Because my iron patch ran dry

[marble stream]

Hmm
I've go oil finally
Hopefully I can get the 8 hours achievement lol

[mossy saddle]

How much time left and how far are you

[marble stream]

2500 rg science away from blues and 11k rgb away from the rocket I guess
5 hours left

[steep spindle]

May or may not be able to tonight😭

[marble stream]

Hmm
I gonna need 50SPM or I'm going to lose

[steep spindle]

That shouldn't be too hard?

[marble stream]

Hmmm
I can't kill biter bases so idk

Bottom iron is already a lost cause

[steep spindle]

Oof

[mossy saddle]

@steep spindle 24 full belts of iron for blue science? x-x

that's madness

[long mauve]

never enough iron

[mossy saddle]

they called me crazy once

[steep spindle]

🧐

[mossy saddle]

@pseudo echo how many science are you going for with blue?

[steep spindle]

seems legit

[mossy saddle]

sadly yes..

@median apex

[median apex]

I found it just as you pinged lol

[dusty nymph]

i'm here because i'm curious honestly.

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

[dusty nymph]

i might want to do this on a peaceful world or something.

not x1000. that's too much.

but like, x10 i could consider.

[median apex]

Yikes 1000x with biters

[dusty nymph]

maybe more? what number of science multiplier should i have?

[steep spindle]

yea

[mossy saddle]

current base hehe

[median apex]

Im doing 10x deathworld and its causing me grief

[dusty nymph]

i will do the first number that anyone says.

[umbral wedge]

I don't think you can have a science multiplier of i

[median apex]

Might do 100x peaceful next

[dusty nymph]

100 it is.

[umbral wedge]

I think it needs to be a positive integer

[plucky panther]

can you do <1 science multiplier

[dusty nymph]

but i didn't ask for a multiplier of i.

[plucky panther]

[mossy saddle]

1k is max

[dusty nymph]

i asked what multiplier i, if anthropomorphized, would have, of course.

[median apex]

Honestly the 10x feels nice, you dont blitz through researching

[steep spindle]

they updated us again

[dusty nymph]

i'm like, bad at normal factorio.

so 100x is surely a good idea.

[mossy saddle]

ggs do you know where to put what with modules?

[dusty nymph]

what world preset should i play on?

[median apex]

I would say no biters with 100x honestly

[dusty nymph]

my inclination is railworld peaceful maybe.

[steep spindle]

huhh?

[median apex]

Peaceful is the same but still gives achievements

[median apex]

The fun of high science costs is increasing production to ludicrious amounts, biters kinda put a damper on that

[mossy saddle]

I'm lost in the module world

[mossy saddle]

you need a good pc though xD

else you'll have to rush like mission

[median apex]

Rush like mission?

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle

this bitch is the size of the fucking base

LOL

[mossy saddle]

he's rushing to other planet xD

[mossy saddle]

it crazy n silly

[steep spindle]

time ot rip up all the current science and place that

its fucking blasting time

[mossy saddle]

how many spm is that?

in blue assemblers

[steep spindle]

that at base Ass1 is 1800

[mossy saddle]

are you making the inserters and belts on the right side of the science assemblers

[dusty nymph]

why's automation untouched?

[steep spindle]

it used to not be

[dusty nymph]

i guess this is a sanity preserving thing?

[steep spindle]

you used to have to craft 10k science packs by hand

[dusty nymph]

i suppose it does not sound fun making 1000 science packs without them, yes.

[mossy saddle]

[dusty nymph]

(i am only doing 100x because i am a loser.)

[steep spindle]

hmmm

[dusty nymph]

you should research projectile damage 1.

and then projectile speed 1.

[mossy saddle]

don't say that silly goose

[dusty nymph]

that's why you should.

[steep spindle]

naw, that is way to much right now

[dusty nymph]

i should research Automation.

i assume you've probably increased the stats of the ores, going by the screenshot?

maybe i should have done that. i haven't. i'm just playing on railworld.

[mossy saddle]

you deff wanna get some more ore lol

[steep spindle]

i will be researching both of those when I'm building logistics science

[dusty nymph]

too bad for me since i'm not going back to change it.

[steep spindle]

which I got the back bone of the build. but I have to re giga brain the belts

[mossy saddle]

be happy cus I don't even think

I place modules everywhere and belt like a maniac

[dusty nymph]

i think it would be funny if they made this value multiplied too.

craft 10000 copper plates before you get electronics.

[steep spindle]

oh heeeeell no

[median apex]

I mean, very doable tbh

Just doal a single red research

[dusty nymph]

launch 1000 space platforms before you unlock thrusters.

[dusty nymph]

automation depends on this.

[median apex]

Oh rip nvm then

[dusty nymph]

i don't think it would be that bad anyway, honestly.

[mossy saddle]

takes alot longer then you think with burners xd

[dusty nymph]

burner drills are very spammable if you don't care about pollution.

[mossy saddle]

10k copper alot without eminers

[dusty nymph]

10000 would be annoying but not like implausible.

[steep spindle]

not w/o eminers

[median apex]

Problem is how would you store/spend 10k copper

[dusty nymph]

just make a coal snake long enough to reach God.

[dusty nymph]

chest.

[steep spindle]

I'm not in the mood to spend 30hrs in burner phase

[mossy saddle]

cute coal snake though

[dusty nymph]

this is my current one.

i sure am very prepared to make the 2000 science for logistics.

[steep spindle]

You mean that mess?

[dusty nymph]

i assume this is also sans logistics.

though, why the lack of electric drills? i'm pretty sure you get those.

[steep spindle]

no you dont

its 25k

[dusty nymph]

oh god. they made it a research. i forgot.

maybe that should be my first (after automation).

[steep spindle]

logistics then eminer

[dusty nymph]

really? i guess splitters are kind of invaluable.

this is my plan, then.

[median apex]

Py flashbacks - gave up on that after realizing how hard it was to get splitters

[mossy saddle]

I did logistics then eminers

since coal snake is more then enough to keep base alive with burners

[dusty nymph]

sure, that is what is in my research queue too.

[plucky panther]

if you find yourself dedicated to the run
add it to your name

why the hell not

[dusty nymph]

i'll only feel deserving of that if i research logistics.

[plucky panther]

yeah it takes time to make sure you'll finish the run

[dusty nymph]

okay, now it's a run.

[plucky panther]

how much spm

[dusty nymph]

like 240ish presently.

[plucky panther]

have fun

[dusty nymph]

i was still extending it as it completed.

[plucky panther]

I recommend automating the resource throughput tho

[dusty nymph]

well, i was waiting to do that until after logistics.

[plucky panther]

...ok fair enough

[dusty nymph]

now, however, i am to sleep. but i have plans.

[pseudo echo]

2700, but working on military rn

[marble stream]

You may try Marathon
It's just x4 so you can actually try to no spoon it

Not lazy spoon it though, I'm lazy spooning SA and this would be hard AF if I was solo

[mossy saddle]

ooo how many people?

[marble stream]

Me and FriendOfDimava

[mossy saddle]

me ship dimava with friend?

[marble stream]

U no ship Dimava with friend friend is underage

[mossy saddle]

I'll retract the shipping

[pseudo echo]

[plucky panther]

that's just a ship waiting to happen. literally waiting

(get it, cuz it can happen after a long time. bad joke ik)

[mossy saddle]

[marble stream]

It can't but im too lazy to explain

I do need to touch grass some more to get some shipping, that's true tho

[plucky panther]

I was joking anwyays, it's your private life you do what you want with it

[marble stream]

I want to do something with it (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

anyways

[steep spindle]

So anyway I started building

[mossy saddle]

how much have ubuild

[dusty nymph]

i sure did choose to do this for some reason.

the last time i played factorio under similar circumstances, i was struggling with making my starter base at 45 SPM.

i also have like no motivation of my own and drop things really quickly.

so this is definitely the challenge for me.

i wonder if this is a sensible order anyway.

i do want to rush railway but i fear how much green science i will need to make.

i feel like i'm not going to have a good time if i don't research fast inserters somewhere in here.

[steep spindle]

Was rapidly changing subject, I destroyed the 450 SPM in prep for the 1800 tho

[pseudo echo]

im entering panic mode about the biters

i think im gonna stall research until i can sort it out

[dusty nymph]

what i'm really fearing is energy consumption.

steam doesn't scale very well, and i won't have efficiency modules for a long time.

[plucky panther]

I was gonna say rush solar
but the space required for that would be....very funny

[dusty nymph]

i mean, space is free. whatever. my main concern about that would be that i couldn't place it with bots.