High Science Multiplier

[long mauve]

I dont know whats worse, making 1M solar panels or managing to lose around 85K. 60K without the buffers I need

[quiet sandal]

where did the 85,000 go

[long mauve]

I dont know lmao

[languid stump]

Satellites?

[long mauve]

havent reseached those yet 😅

must be stuck somewhere on some random train

[hasty panther]

have you accedentally destroyed some

[eager jacinth]

Time for a new forest area, this time I wanna try to restore all the dead trees from my coal power plant and old iron smelting array

[long mauve]

Not 60k worth haha

[eager jacinth]

up to 30 airships now, and im gonna need a lot more from the look of things

also on the hunt for natural diamonds to get advanced crushers rn and its taken like 20 minutes scavenging the map to find 15 of the 17 i need

[eager jacinth]

Im only moderately regretting this idea due to how painful airship routing is

[long mauve]

Hey atleast it looks really cool

[eager jacinth]

True

The map view doesn’t do it justice

[long mauve]

yeah :(

[pseudo echo]

basic tech cards automated

5 hunded ingame days and 57 hours in

[mossy saddle]

Congrats!

[vagrant anchor]

You are a madman

[steep spindle]

Full yellow belt out? Gratz

I'm playing Warcraft until 10/20

[pseudo echo]

research be researching

resources/s for my target SPM for red cards

[pseudo echo]

that is a FAT load of buildings

[steep spindle]

That miner amount

😭

[pseudo echo]

thats like 600k iron ore

on the miners alone

[steep spindle]

Wow

Well 3 months from now I'll be doing that

[pseudo echo]

this playthrough will far exceed 2.0 release date.

far

i will NOT get this done before 2.0

in fact i am aiming to have 2.0 features used for chemical science onwards

i just needa find a nice place to get 26 ish belts of iron ore

i'll upgrade to 28 just to make it a bit nicer

[quiet sandal]

I have to get back to working on my x1000 save

I started it so long ago but now it’s just sitting unfinished

I don’t want to deal with fluids…

I at least want to finish it before 2.0

[steep spindle]

You can do it

I'm playing wow till then haha

[pseudo echo]

fluids are fine

process the oil near the patches

[long mauve]

fluids are the bane of my existance in my 1000x world. half the problems are fluid related I feel like

..probably because I dont do that

[pseudo echo]

in my 1000x save, all the oil processing was close to the patches

[long mauve]

I should have done that, I just have 2 massive refinery areas that are train in train out

[pseudo echo]

im booting up my 1000x save to see exactly how i did oil

here is the chem sci build

technically, im doing oil processing before iron smelting

purple science setup

and my yellow science oil setup

simple: have the processing be close to the patches, and the patches be close to a water source

[long mauve]

thats really smart

I just made a refinery section, then trained that oil to a seperate area for the sciences. I am at a 10K spm scale so it is a lot bigger than your doing

[long mauve]

I've hit a million panels

[steep spindle]

That's a lot of frieking power

[marble stream]

What's K2IM?

[pseudo echo]

K2 impossible mode

doubles the cost of every single recipe

[eager jacinth]

neverming the pathing, the goddam barrels are making me lose my mind

I tried to make a system to auto-stock up my fuel supply airship on barrels but now there's empty barrels everywhere and ships not getting fuel

I even have airships stopping because all their spent fuel slots are filled up and so they can't start on the next barrel of fuel

[eager jacinth]

y'all wanna see something even more stupid than using wood to power my base?

wood-assisted arc smelting

an advanced forestry at full throughput gives the perfect amount of CO2 and O2 production/consumption to sustain 4 arc smelters

which is effectively 5 ingots/s at the cost of only 1.667 ore/s

and while I might throw in the towel for making power with the wood and instead use nuclear by the time this happens, wood can eventually be processed into ethanol-based plastic and rubber at a 1:1 ratio

and also the minimum area needed to supply 50 trees for a 100% throughput forestry is only 13x13 tiles, which with some generous rounding means I'd only need to use 1/4 of a chunk for the trees themselves

[pseudo echo]

after about 64 hours

i finally have red tech cards

[marble scroll]

I guess you didn't have basic logistics up to this moment?

[pseudo echo]

k2 gives me logistics in basic tech cards

i am still bottlenecked on inserter speed so fast inserters is the first thing im researching

[marble scroll]

I kinda accidentally poked into this channel, and curious how you'd even mentally wait out pre-logistics steps on 1000x

[marble scroll]

Oh, cool.

[pseudo echo]

in vanilla you get long inserters with automation for some reason

and that is your underground belt

you dont need splitters in well-planned factory

just set up 900 SPM of red science without spillters and you are good

[pseudo echo]

next up: fixing some bottle necks, then working on green science

im not sure if i want to aim for 900/m of green science - that is 3k+ electric miners

[steep spindle]

Waiting is bad, but as Mission said 900 is a good target for the first one. After I got logistics I cranked it to 1800 as quick as possible

[marble scroll]

Yeah, I guess I need to play more 100x to get out of the "I'll just setup something bad to get proper tools..." mindset

And stop waiting as much

[steep spindle]

I completed my x1k base in 400hrs, but I'd say easily 50 was afk time

And I hated that feeling

[pseudo echo]

for 1000x, the mindset should be:
make a medium build that works, then upgrade to a bigger build once that becomes feasible

for me, though...
i wont be able to nicely increase my builds for a very long time

i said that i will wait until SA releases before i invest too much into the rail base, but mabye not.
i'll almost certainly have supersonic locomotives long before SA releases

[pseudo echo]

aparently IM for K2 is getting removed soon

im like the only person on this entire planet who is going to be affected by it

[steep spindle]

Rip

[spark idol]

I want to try it

It looks fun

Petition to not remove it

[steep spindle]

You should tell the author your doing a challenge with it

[eager jacinth]

So does K2 IM double every recipe? Meaning that a 5-step chain takes 32x as many materials?

[pseudo echo]

Yes

Every stage of the game is completely fucked over

And the final research alone reaches into the trillions of resources.

[stuck dove]

and that's before 1000x science costs?

[pseudo echo]

with the 1000x

without, its about 1.1 billion iron-copper total

[wild lion]

that's quite a few ores

at least oil is infinite (if small)

[pseudo echo]

k2 has finite oil

for some ungodly reason

[wild lion]

oh god... yeah lmao

[pseudo echo]

but, yeag, i think the total mined resources without prod is 4 trillion ish

[wild lion]

k2se+bz 1000x when?

[pseudo echo]

chill

well, at that point might as well make it ATO 1000x

[wild lion]

👀 wtf

[pseudo echo]

that is not the official ato pack

[wild lion]

oh... it was first google result so went with it

[pseudo echo]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/all-the-overhaul-modpack

complexity wise it is comparable to pY

roughly

more complex early game, slightly less complex later game

not a soul has beaten it

[wild lion]

ooooh damn

heh the last image looks similar to my current warehouse bus thing. I need to refine it a little so the spokes can push back into the bus, and for the bus to be bidirectional, but it works okay™️

[pseudo echo]

yeah... im laying the k2im1000x run to rest

[cerulean orbit]

I think I should post in here

I have a mod which allows me to handcraft all the buildings and modules

[pseudo echo]

?

[umbral wedge]

what mod is this?

[spark idol]

I really can’t say I fathom this

[cerulean orbit]

It's a multiworld through Archipelago

[pseudo echo]

oh god

[marble scroll]

How long is the start on 1000x in vanilla/K2?
Also curious about what mods you people use, of course you wouldn't build by hand in such a modifier

[steep spindle]

Some do build by hand

#vanilla-chat message

This what I used

Nano bots or companion drones

Is a good bot mod

[pseudo echo]

fairly long

steam power and basically all of logistics is locked behind affected techs

[stuck dove]

I like the normal bot mechanics so I prefer Faster Start

as opposed to Nano Bots or Companion Drones

[languid stump]

I built by hand btw lol. If you apply some of the speedrun style building concepts it’s not that bad

Kinda a practice in that style of building where you minimize mouse movements / player actions

[marble scroll]

It can be fun, if you aren't me who had the "20 hrs played, restart" issue for something like 500 hrs

I had practiced fast building quite a lot

[eager jacinth]

FINALLY got blue circuits going

this was a nightmare to set up

but now I have enough to get 5.6 electrum science per second, and up to 7/s once I get prod module 3s

I dont think I'd mind as much if the complexity of electrum science wasnt basically all in this one piece of it.

The other three ingredients are
lead + steel + acid for the high capacity battery
chrome ingot + steel ingot + nitrogen for steel foam
chromed plate + rivets + electrum for null effect plate

And none of them are nearly as bad as this, even the null effect plate doesn't come remotely close

...also I need to actually address all of my resource shortages coming up; chrome plating production is only half of what it needs to be, basically every smelting block I have except glass and silicon wont be making enough, and Im making like a third as much plastic as I need

[vagrant anchor]

Vanilla not too bad, you can get setup pretty quick (especially if you use companion drones), K2 is a lot more painful maybe like 20-50 hours?

You need some kinda creative ways to get around no tech in early game but once you figure something out it's mostly copy pasting

[marble scroll]

Factorio's big base building in general is "Figure out, and then copy/paste"

[pseudo echo]

are there any mods to increase the tech cost multi beyond 1kx?

[spark idol]

Quite a few

[stuck dove]

Oh it’s capped at x1000?
I remember a mod called Omniscience that increased tech cost based on how much the previous tech(s) costed

[scenic imp]

I made one that's unreleased cause I don't want to make it work fully that multiplies the cost on the prototype

[pseudo echo]

can the devs increase the multi? 1000x has been beaten, i wanna do more

[eager jacinth]

Just wait until you can do 1000x SA

[ember plinth]

try expensive recipes too

[steep spindle]

I think the Devs want the game at least "beatable" within. A time frame.

They may feel over x1k is to long

[vagrant anchor]

People who aren't out to toture themselves won't put x1k anyways... I think it's quite reasonable to add more

But beyond x1k I doubt that it'll be fun

Just a hell lot more copy pasting and waiting

[marble scroll]

I think beyond 1000x it is more of a "not enough content" issue

[mossy saddle]

X1k is more then enough for me lmao

If you want more just start combining overhaul mods

Or do py x1k

Will keep you busy long enuff

[zinc creek]

imagine 1Mx

[marble stream]

Hmmmmm
I wonder what modpack would you need to make it possible

Even my Dupebox can only boost production for around x100

[steep spindle]

That sounds like a computer is just asking to be set on fire

I played the x1k with the mindset of "try not to afk" and still had problems

[mossy saddle]

dupebox was the one fixing with lag right?

[mossy saddle]

with enough money everything is possible! ^^

[marble stream]

It's my mod that made basically factorissimo where one box worked with multiple IO buildings
It was not feature-complete enough to properly use it but well
IIRC there was a same-feature mod but I don't remember which one

[tepid axle]

Dupebox

Duplicate your production and improve UPS with Dupeboxes - multithreaded production buildings

Author

Dimava

Downloads

1170

[mossy saddle]

might not be a viable sollution for my run then?

Since I'm pretty sure UPS will bottleneck me xD

[marble stream]

Well, do you mind having power production to be built inside the buildings?
If you don't mind it should work well enough
Also I don't remember if you were able to deconstruct the boxes

So, well, @mossy saddle try it in a lab word

[mossy saddle]

👀 I'll have to definitely try and fool around with it

[marble stream]

Yep
Try to build a small cityblock with 1 out belt (matter to rocket fuel or whatever), and then dupetile it into multiple huge cityblocks
UPS cost scales lineary with the number of IO belts in the real world in Circuit Network UPS usage (as each belt is circuited)

[mossy saddle]

I'll try ^^

[steep spindle]

🧐

NASA super computer?

[stuck dove]

I know 2.0 is making things easier to scale up with quality, and bigger buildings like the metallurgy thing
Maybe x1M with spage

[vagrant anchor]

Do you and @marble stream wanna collab on making a mod that does something similar to dupebox but less scuffed

I had an idea which is to compile production lines into a simple i/o box

[mossy saddle]

I've never made a mod for factorio before o-o

wouldn't know anything about it

[marble stream]

I'm in
My Dupebox concept was "use linked belts and combinator logic to make a lua-less structure which can safely dupe items".
I write mods in Typescript btw

[marble stream]

U r the only 1 who do x1000
We need ur help in UX testing

Basically we need to see your current dupe-less designs so we understand how it's tiled and what to we need to dupe

BTW @mossy saddle some screens plz
Show your hugeest factory that would profit most from duping it down

[mossy saddle]

just crafting or also power and lab?

[marble stream]

The one you have at this moment odc

The ones you have at this moment and had before

[mossy saddle]

I'll show you some thingies (I still got to fix my oil but first modules hehe)

[marble stream]

Hmm
I don't think it's possible to reliably make DupeLabs
Well, it's true for everything, so just give us all the biggest designs for now

[mossy saddle]

the other builds are the same just slight differences with belts

and recipes ofcourse

my biggest smelter (I got a couple of them pasted everywhere tho) and blue science should be my biggest assembly if you count belts in it

[marble stream]

Hmm
@.papaatje.#0000 how much do you need dupe-boxes before armor bots, before roboports, and before logi-chests?

How often would you deconstruct/upgrade(e.g. stone to steel furnaces and mods)/add more tiles ?

[mossy saddle]

in sek2 you get loads of different mods so that would happen once in maybe every 100h depends how much you tryhard xD

and I'd switch to efurnaces when I have beacons but then it'll still take a very long time to get both of those due to all the different science packs

I don't think much deconstructing will happen just letting the base die out and send the rss into space

[marble stream]

And this?

[mossy saddle]

would be good for early game mainly due to me not having to walk 2m to the opposit side of the base (before trains)

in late game it would be alot more helpfull due to the assemblers being even more big

[marble stream]

Those are important questions, because building with and without logibots require different logic, adding more tiles is almost impossible because you can't properly calculate it, so it requires deconstruction-reconstruction. Upgrading is as easy as going into a box and spamming some upgrade orders tho.

Hmm
Also before trains

[mossy saddle]

bots is alot more painfull because I got to go into space for certain boxes

[marble stream]

@mossy saddle what's your preference on IO types?
There are only linked-belts ATM, but trains, chests, pipes and accums may be possible as well I guess

Maybe also something else idk. Tanks?

[mossy saddle]

maybe accums would be nice but in the modpack there's different levels of those so I don't really need that anymore at a certain stage

pipes could be handy if you count the oil production line?

[marble stream]

I mean power IO in general
Currently all you can do it to steam up the free water

[mossy saddle]

maybe if you could size down that solar field it would be nice takes alot of place 👀

[marble stream]

You can't, dupeboxes have the same scale inside as outside

[mossy saddle]

does it have a hitbox

[marble stream]

On the surface it's just a bunch of walls pooping pollution (they can be destroyed ofc, then you lose the box forever as you can't rebuild it)

[mossy saddle]

so meteor impacts and CME's can damage it too

[marble stream]

Hmmm

Sounds like a hard problem

[mossy saddle]

else it'd be a cheat to go against those disasters xD

[marble stream]

Yep
This is going to require damageable structures on the outside

[marble stream]

Are meteors single-hit?

[mossy saddle]

There's a splash zone

[marble stream]

I mean, if the damage is single-tick I can't rebuild entities on the surface

[mossy saddle]

I think it's single tick let me confirm by someone

[marble stream]

Hmm
I think I can manage this for that exact case, just reshoot the meteor if it damages the box

[marble stream]

@vagrant anchor so what's the plan

[vagrant anchor]

Isnt it lua

[vagrant anchor]

Can start with only belts first (no logi bots especially since that complicates things with SE), the player can submit a design to compile, it gets simulated with fully saturated inputs, where all the items and fluids and power in every container in that design is tracked, and it's matched up against a calculated version of the production where all the easy-ish bottlenecks (belt throughput, imperfect ratios etc) are taken into account, and it's let to be run for a while and the averages are compared if they are close enough then it passes and then you have a production line that you know the average inputs and outputs of

And maybe it can be added in as an entity so on restart it will just become a single recipe

[vagrant anchor]

I haven't either, but well first time for everything

[marble stream]

Well, TypeScript does not work in browsers as well, but did that ever stop anyone?

[marble stream]

https://typescripttolua.github.io/

I use https://github.com/GlassBricks/typed-factorio , love it

Didn't play with JSX GUI tho

[marble stream]

That math is why Dupebox wasn't implemented that way.
What about random recipes like uranium enrichment? What about blocks that can produce item A OR item B depending on the request? (e.g. any of 8 Bob's ores in Seablock)
What about upgrading blocks with t2 buildings and mods and beacons?
Etc, etc

[marble stream]

cc @urban olive we're so back
(@vagrant anchor proposed to team up to rewrite my Dupebox)

[urban olive]

🎉

The factorio discord has several people doing High multipliers, including a group doing 1,000x on Clustorio

[stuck dove]

I wonder if you can do x1000 on archipelago

[steep spindle]

And the 10/21 x1k Space Age Edition with 0 mods will exist 🙂

[stuck dove]

i already have the 1/12 sushi ready

[cerulean orbit]

Finally got logistics science!

[scenic imp]

I wonder how long it's going to take for it to update to 2.0

[marble stream]

Erm, npm run regenerate-from-docs?

[scenic imp]

the docs are probably changing, that's what I mean

[marble stream]

Even their json format?

[scenic imp]

yeah, I would not be surprised

[marble stream]

Doubt that, it was basically an equivalent of JSON Schema iirc

[scenic imp]

I guess if parsing is robust enough it's fine, I don't mean that it would be changing away from json

just that there's probably going to be new or different fields

[marble stream]

I guess it's better to just ask devs (or wait for the October)

Anyways

[vagrant anchor]

Oh ts to lua conversion

[vagrant anchor]

That's why it's taken as the average and if actual production isn't similar to that in a pretty long period of time it fails to compile

I think during that time it takes to compile the original dupebox simulation can be used, with linked accums (that are coming in 2.0?)

[marble stream]

@vagrant anchor @mossy saddle let's make a call this week and write some googledoc on implementation details so I can start building something

@urban olive you're welcome as well I guess

I'll stream coding in voice chat and make an anyone-edit googledoc

[urban olive]

My schedule is unpredictable for a while. I'd appreciate a few hours warning . I'm in New York's time zone.

Currently EDT, GMT-4

[marble stream]

@vagrant anchor @mossy saddle @urban olive if you would like to mod of discuiss I gonna be here until ~<t:1723928300:T>

[urban olive]

Time zone?

I might nip in for a bit. I need to get ready for afternoon visits, then recover from them.

And the drive. So much driving.

[marble stream]

GMT+3
Basically I wrote I'll be here until midnight

[urban olive]

Here

Here for just under an hour.

[marble stream]

Also here

#switch-it-up

hmm
Could you show me the best build to dupebox?

[urban olive]

I don't see you. https://discord.com/channels/139677590393716737/1035436163693031485

[marble stream]

lemme get to the phone

[marble stream]

Mkay

• CITY BLOOOOCKS

• trains are great

• will show what I make when it's working

• train boxes gonna work with ANY throughput with 0 ups as you only listen to train stop events and copy stuff in bulk

[mossy saddle]

city blocks are always handy dandy

[stuck dove]

city block?

[mossy saddle]

Mixed ores o-o

[stuck dove]

I honestly do not know if I am cooking

[mossy saddle]

I think you drank a lil to much today lol

[vagrant anchor]

Timezones lol I'm in UTC+8

[pseudo echo]

you are cooking

but using raw crude oil instead of gas

[marble stream]

@vagrant anchor send me your biggest save plz

As for further builds:
I think the first thing to dupebox will be City Blocks so I need some great samples
Requirements:

• Train IO. All the inputs and outputs should use trains only (except power poles)
• Small scale. Each tile should process 1-2 belts at most. E.g. one smelter line between beacon lines. So it only has one train every five minutes or so.
• Big duplication. There should be 10+ copies of the build

[marble stream]

I guess this build is a good example

[vagrant anchor]

I lost my saves unfortunately, but I don't think the thing to dupebox should be city blocks, they can be train input and output sure but city blocks are a really inefficient base architecture ups wise

[marble stream]

Why?

[marble stream]

And what would be an efficient arch?

[vagrant anchor]

Lots and lots and lots of junctions, pathfinding is expensive

[vagrant anchor]

A use case specific planned out base layout that allows everything to flow naturally such that there are as little junctions as possible

And many steps fused together into one

[vagrant anchor]

And I know the pathfinder has a branch limit but it is still way less efficient due to signals and all that stuff

And with dupebox abstracting away a large portion of ups consumption the train network in a city block will become very significant

[marble stream]

I call anything train-based "city blocks" lol

hmm

[stuck dove]

you can have city blocks without trains
and you can have trains without city blocks

[vagrant anchor]

Oh

[candid shadow]

Yeah train != city blocks. That’s just confusing and unhelpful

[marble stream]

Okay, I'll update my definitions accordingly

[marble stream]

What's a fitting name for this arch then?

[candid shadow]

A particular flavor of modular train base

[marble stream]

🤔
Anyways
I'll keep my previous point of "trying to implement cityblock-compatible tilable train-based system"

[mossy saddle]

You could also do direct insertion from train to assembler to train to save a lil ups

[marble stream]

UPS don't matter for dupebox contents because it gonna be duped anyway

Scale generally doesn't matter as well for the same reason
So it's all productivity aaaaand that's it
maybe also power usage but it's little anyways

[mossy saddle]

Ups matters for my PC I don't wanna blow it up yet xD

[steep spindle]

Yet

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

Lol

2 months away from computer frying

[marble stream]

I've tried to ask AI for an image of computer frying and apparently that didn't work

[vagrant anchor]

You can generate an image irl

[marble stream]

I don't have a deep fryer

And more then that I don't have small enough PC for a deep frier

[vagrant anchor]

While it's running, drop in some salt water

[marble stream]

But that's not frying.

[slim kelp]

I gave it a shot with Amuse and various models, the images were good, but not what I had in mind.

apparently frying a PC in oil is a concept too wild for AI

[marble stream]

Yep
Latest models can do "astronaut riding a horse" fine, some can even do "horse riding an astronaut"
Will frying computer be the next theshold?

[slim kelp]

talking about PC's frying, I'm upgrading mine next week to a 5950X... not useful for factorio, but should be very useful for non-gaming tasks

[pseudo echo]

what was the result?

i love seeing what these image gens do with figurative language

[marble stream]

It was either a PC-like stove, or a laptop in potatoes

[marble stream]

I didn't want figurative
I wanted to make a literal deepfried laptop
Hmm

[marble stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522829709201899551/1276175009450168340/laptop_cooked_in_oil_pan_laptop-8f2031ef-364d-47af-b608-6c9f6ab9e715.png?ex=66c89218&is=66c74098&hm=86b5466d22d8c52b02bc87bc595823d2b7f191e4ba2a398a02b8a74e07cd5f01& is the best I got

[pseudo echo]

just google hard enough. it already exists

[steep spindle]

Geez

[spark idol]

That hurts to look at

[mossy saddle]

failed frying should have a nice crust -1 point

[spark idol]

What’s going on here

[vagrant anchor]

Frying pcs

[marble stream]

Mkay, I have an RFC

### Train Multiplier Algo

1. Box blueprint is made by copying a wall-surrounded rectangle
    - when selecting with dupe-selection-tool
        - find dupe-train-station
            - otherwise exit with "no dupe-train-station" message and put a new dupe-selection-tool to hand
        - find a rectangle made of walls and gates
            - otherwise exit with "no wall/gate rectangle" message and put a new dupe-selection-tool to hand
        - make sure there are no entities outside the rectangle (except rails)
            - otherwise exit with "entities outside rectangle" message and put a new dupe-selection-tool to hand
        - make a new dupe-blueprint
            - copy the selection into blueprint
            - replace all entities with their simple-entity counterparts
                - copy items in object as requests
                - keep module and item requests

2. Box initialization is avaliable by opening the dupe-train-station
    - when opening a train station GUI
        - add a panel
            - with "Initialize" button
            - with text showing how many entities are built (updates on GUI open only)
    - when pressing Initialize button
        - find all the stations with the same name on the same surface
        - check that all the builds are built
        - disable all the built entities
        - create a dupebox
        - revive the blueprint in the dupebox

3. Dupebox works by copying the trains
    - when train comes to a dupe-train-station
        - the train gets disabled
        - if not all the same stations also have trains, exit
        - clone the train into dupebox
        - move the train contents into the train in dupebox
            - If the contents are different, show error message
    - when the train is trying to leave the station
        - if it's a dupe-train-station in the dupebox
            - copy train contents to the trains outside the dupebox
                - enable trains
                - move train shedule by one
            - destroy the train

4. Power may be transfered between surface and dupebox
    - you may build dupe-charge-accumulator and dupe-discharge-accumulator
    - dupe-accus have enough power for a day (7 minutes) of work
    - the max IO is based on the sum of all entity consumption (including accus)
        - so beaconed builds may need some extra unused entities to balance the power
    - the max charge is based on the consumption of entities in 1 minute, plus accus charge

# Plans

1. Water may be accessed in dupeboxes
    - if the tile is landfill, in dupebox it will be mineable with shallow-water underneath

2. Ores may be accessed in dupeboxes
    - if the dupebox contains mining drills, ores shared in the boxes will be cloned into the dupebox

3. Objects may be damaged
    - if any object in box is damaged, dupebox will be paused until it repaired and/or revived

@mossy saddle @urban olive @vagrant anchor

[mossy saddle]

AAH MY EYES!

So the dupebox are like the lil factory buildings?

[marble stream]

You liken't my markdown?
(Actually, why didn't I post it as is, Discord does support markdown)

[marble stream]

https://assets-mod.factorio.com/assets/ext/3ad650bc2ede9a9dfe90adff656fd1d455eeb6ca588206ecc5e2299e48c017e0.gif

[mossy saddle]

That looks very interesting how big can designs go

[mossy saddle]

I'm using dark version of discord and the brightness flash banged me

[marble stream]

Aren't code blocks a bit less dark grey?

[marble stream]

I'm making v2 with primarily trains IO so
So pls read my textwall (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[steep spindle]

Yeah ...

[marble stream]

Can't reproduce

ur discard is borked

[steep spindle]

It's just what happens when notifications are on and you don't check it for a few days

I turned them on when I'm actively in here, else they are off

[strange helm]

Are you working on dupeboxes again?

I was the one that made the similar mod but gave up because I would never be able to beat you on performance with my approach

[marble stream]

Me trying

[marble stream]

What was your mod and your approach?

[strange helm]

Cant remember the name but its under my name on the portal

I did everything in Lua lol

But I tried to handle building stuff in the boxes properly

Mirroring with ghosts to other boxes etc

Might be useful if you wanna do something similar

[marble stream]

Actually I did everything in Lua too lol
I didn't use GlassBricks lib back then

[strange helm]

Glass bricks?

And I thought you did the links with combinators or something?

[marble stream]

https://github.com/GlassBricks/typed-factorio I mean

[strange helm]

Ah I meant like my entire mod lived in the on tick handler

[marble stream]

Oof lol

[strange helm]

It was a few times faster than vanilla at least

But that’s not saying much

Anyways, most of my factorio modding is in TS so I should really check that out

How well does the scripting transpile, and does it work well for UI stuff?

[marble stream]

Idk didn't try jsx yet

[strange helm]

Surely there is no way it supports just

[marble stream]

I doubt it will help because I spend 50% time writing docs and 50% time writing libs

Lemme check anyways

[strange helm]

I spend 90% of my time moving data around and figuring out why my pathfinder goes in circles

And my power networks spazzing because I didn’t go for the heated steam style of power transfer

[marble stream]

Also I've failed to tint the walls idk why

[strange helm]

Haha

[marble stream]

BTW, any idea how to make power transfer?

[strange helm]

I went full soft mod on mine, no prototype stage. I am over that though

Yeah, play with the EEI

Figuring out how much your active box is drawing is the hard part

[marble stream]

Ackchually Dupebox also didn't require any custom stuff
(Well, maybe infinite-speed linked-belts but that's it)

[marble stream]

Combinator magic helps alot

And bufferinh

[strange helm]

I want to stay away from them a bit longer

[marble stream]

Not I go all-in into buffering with trains IO

[strange helm]

Figuring out how to do bidirectional inter server power transfers that respects network priority with solar panels and accumulators is the thing I am currently stuck on

[marble stream]

Why
All I did use is the most basic
...
Okay they were difficult
But simple

[strange helm]

Trains aren’t so bad outside of pathginfing

[marble stream]

Hmm
Wanna try my mod after I get something at all working?

[strange helm]

I do, I don’t have much time though

Does it handle surfaces well?

[marble stream]

It handles only making blueprints so far

[marble stream]

Why are you asking tho?

[strange helm]

I want to prepare my stuff for multi surface

I know for sure my minimap doesn’t work and probably not the train teleporting either

And definitely not worldgen

[marble stream]

I'm actually considering teleporting the box to the same surface to something like 50,000, 50,000.

[strange helm]

I am not sure if I understand how that helps

[marble stream]

I don't have to care about daytime and SE surface limitations with that

[strange helm]

Oh right I didn’t even think about day/night stuff and I suppose surface limitations can also be an issue

Maybe just treat different surfaces as not connectable, so you get one primary of the build on each surface

[vagrant anchor]

So use trains as the syncing thing?

[marble stream]

Yep, that's the plan

[vagrant anchor]

Sounds good to me

[stuck dove]

seeing that 1000x slower factorio game that was always online in multiplayer gave me an idea
once spage drops, what if multiplayer high science multiplier
can probably go more than x1k as well
x1,000,000 is a nice round number

[spark idol]

Do not call it spage

That’s horrid

[stuck dove]

well unlike Space Exploration, Space Extension, or Stellar Expedition, I can't call it SEx

[spark idol]

I honestly think that SA is a less unfortunate shortening than Spage

Like just say it and feel the way your tongue moves in your mouth

[stuck dove]

Factorio: サ

[spark idol]

Factorio feels worse to say absolutely

[cerulean orbit]

Just call it SA

[marble stream]

SAX? 🎷

🎷

[marble stream]

I'm 80% sure that was a point when they've discussed the name lol

[spark idol]

They were referring to it as “the expansion” for a long time

[steep spindle]

How we all been

[stuck dove]

The EXpAnSion

🇺🇸

[steep spindle]

1 month 17 days

[stuck dove]

until texas

[cerulean orbit]

Poof

[steep spindle]

X100?

[cerulean orbit]

Yep

And PyABMSPMT on expensive mode and the hardest mode on MomosTweak

[steep spindle]

Ah, I've been engulfed in Warcraft

[spark idol]

Would you stream this? I’d love to watch

[steep spindle]

I like the older layout of the tech tree too

[spark idol]

Early early trains

Really nice

[cerulean orbit]

I can stream it in discord

[spark idol]

If you’re free in six hours or tomorrow I’m not busy

[cerulean orbit]

In six hours it's going to be 11pm for me, so probably not

[spark idol]

Oh we’re on the same time zone

[cerulean orbit]

I'm live right now

in ⁠#1035436163693031485

[cerulean orbit]

LET'S GO!

[placid epoch]

doing PY on science multiplier is crazy, god speed to u

[cerulean orbit]

And AB

[vagrant anchor]

That playtime for logistics lol

[strange helm]

Why such an old version of the game? Which version is that even?

[scenic imp]

they wanted to play a mod not available for the current version

[cerulean orbit]

0.16

[cerulean orbit]

Ok well technically it is available for the current version, it just doesn't work as well (because king abandoned it and I've only recently started working on it)

[stuck dove]

which mod

[scenic imp]

the one in his name, pycoal touched by an angel

[pseudo echo]

well, the 1kx seablock run i was apart of is completed now (we're celebrating the completion on Saturday)

[steep spindle]

Less than a month away!!

[cerulean orbit]

Automation science done! 3,500 science packs in total so far (2000 for logistics, 500 for mechanical refining). Almost two days of playtime.

[modern citrus]

Dare I ask what multiplier and modpack?

[cerulean orbit]

PyABCMSPMTBIx100

On expensive mode and MomoTweak very hard preset

Basically the madpack for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY2nxVNBHQs, but with x100 science instead of x5

[steep spindle]

Man I can't wait for x1k world unmodded

[cerulean orbit]

perhaps I should have done x1k

[stuck dove]

I can't figure out what most of that acronym is supposed to mean

Py, Angel, Bob, Clown, More Science Packs, MomoTweak, Bio Industries, x100 science multiplier?

[cerulean orbit]

Pyanodons + Angels + Bob's + Clowns + MoreSciencePacks + MomoTweak + Bio Industry + x100 Science Multiplier + Expensive Mode + MomoTweak Very Hard Preset

[wild lion]

massive :O

[steep spindle]

This thread has gained quite the following 🧐

[hasty panther]

It's a cool thread

[steep spindle]

Current numbers to infinite science x1k rounded up to the nearest million
54M
54M
45M
28M
21M
29M

[marble stream]

I wish there be an option to make only finite sciences to be multiplied

[steep spindle]

I wish there was an option in base game to do the opposite. Turn the multiplier off at infinite tech

[marble stream]

That's what I've said
Me too

[steep spindle]

Ooh, finite not infinite

Misread my bad

Can't wait to dive head first into Space Age tho

[long mauve]

you can just research all the finite techs then turn it off

[marble stream]

but I want my Infinite Productivity now (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[steep spindle]

Hiding in here will prolly still spoil things 😭

[long mauve]

thats fair

its probably possible to make a mod

[steep spindle]

I can't imagine a 1mil/m SPM and not being able to do things with it

What was the smug for haha, I just want to be in a hidey hole in discord with friends that don't spoil lol

[long mauve]

im gonna spoil it all now /s

[marble stream]

Don't worry, there are still tech foo, tech bar and tech baz that are very cool
I wonder if they will properly implement baz tho

[marble stream]

The ones whi read FFFs may understand why I didn't understand this message first time I read it

[steep spindle]

I don't read any

So I didn't want spoiled, but was informed on the 14th the gates are loose

[marble stream]

The thing is, you want the infinite productivity to do things properly
It changed balancing

[long mauve]

so whats the point of mining prod? is it to make the patches last longer or give more throughput? If its to make it last longer, I dont think its worth it to research on 1kx because it costs so much. If its more throughput per patch I can kindof see the point of researching it

[steep spindle]

The bonkcat emote is funny

[marble stream]

This

[steep spindle]

I feel like it might be both

But last longer sounds more reasonable

[long mauve]

It sounds reasonable until you think about the number of patches you have to eat up to get that 10% bonus

[steep spindle]

Don't you need the first few for silo anyway

[marble stream]

Unscaled mining would allow to actually decrease used patches
Unscaled damage research could allow actually playing with biters

[long mauve]

i dont think so

yeah thats an option its just not 100% 1kx at that point.. I can see arguments for why youd want to thoug h

[steep spindle]

Isn't mining prod one of the cheaper infinite

[long mauve]

yeah, its just a linear increase

[marble stream]

You can play on whatever multiplier with biters as long as killing cost is below 50% of ammo pollution cost

Tbh I'd be interested to try no-pollution-consumption by trees/floor so I actually have to pay for it

[long mauve]

non 1kx, I like using attack cost modifier instead so I can still use trees strategically. 10% means biters only need 10% the pollution to spawn

[marble stream]

Yep
So x1000 just makes it useless
And for exponential it just drops last 10 levels

[steep spindle]

I kinda want to see what would be the most beneficial research in infinite for x1k

[long mauve]

SA or vanilla?

[steep spindle]

SA, I think

[marble stream]

Scaled on 1x?

[steep spindle]

Vanilla seems obvious to just go bot speed

[steep spindle]

I don't understand

[marble stream]

With 1000x finite multiplier and 1x infinite it'll be productivity
With 1000x finite it'll still be productivity but it's level will be lower

[steep spindle]

Oh if it's x1k all the way productivity would help but most beneficial early

I feel like Mining prod would take forever to actually pay off

[long mauve]

I dont want to comment unless you dont mind me spoiling one thing about the tech tree regarding infinites

[steep spindle]

That's fine it's infinite tech 😃

[marble stream]

Well,

[long mauve]

alright, ill word this vaguely. In space exploration there's more infinite researches. Some of them do not require all the endgame space packs as well

[steep spindle]

🤔

[marble stream]

Rocket part reuse lol?

[steep spindle]

I knew about the SE infinite science, never made it past the platforms tho

[long mauve]

oh i thought that FFF was after

[steep spindle]

Space exploration the mod

[long mauve]

ah

[steep spindle]

I saw that science, idk about your FFF tho

Not requiring all packs would be an interesting take

[long mauve]

its interesting for sure

[steep spindle]

You have me wondering, but not curious enough to go hunting

[long mauve]

thats why im being quiet lol

[steep spindle]

I've always appreciated you being chill about not spoiling and asking if you could spoil

Outside of what you've said and that 372 FFF I don't know jack crap

[long mauve]

I just know you spent a lot of time trying not to spoilered so im respecting that lol. Theres other channels for spoilers

[steep spindle]

Taken some mad determination to do

[long mauve]

I bet haha

[marble stream]

I did read every FFF, if you didn't it's cool too

[steep spindle]

I stopped after 372

10/21 gonna be a wild day

[long mauve]

Thats the week after my midterm so I will have time

[steep spindle]

10 days

[marble stream]

Hope we get the actual ||Christmas tree|| we've seen in
...in which one

[tepid axle]

Cogmas

Adds a Cogmas tree, for a festive winter or christmassy theme.

There is a version you can place on the ground, and mod option to replace the rocket silo rocket with a tree.

Author

Earendel

Downloads

971

[steep spindle]

Firing Christmas Trees LOL

[marble stream]

390

@steep spindle you didn't see it

[steep spindle]

Nope

[long mauve]

oh no I spoilered a christmas tree

[steep spindle]

🤣 it's a tree

Wait I mean

😭

[long mauve]

so speaking of trees..

[steep spindle]

That's it the SA world has 600% trees

Never running out of fuel ever again

[marble stream]

2.0 trees are much better
They are much less fucknature

+faq fucknature

[tepid axle]

Fucknature

[steep spindle]

I'm just going to create for explosive mess

Something I didn't do this round

[marble stream]

We now have a lot of FUCKNATURE in SA but the the trees are fine

Today devs said: If you were fucknatured,

When this happens to you, I invite you to turn off Alt mode and appreciate the view. It isn't a sight you get often, so enjoy the moment.

[long mauve]

lmao

[steep spindle]

LMAO what

[long mauve]

we'd have to spoil like 15 different things, you'll see eventually

[steep spindle]

We will enjoy after I see it

[steep spindle]

😭

[marble stream]

Me, every time I read something about spoilng something

[steep spindle]

Sorry

I wanted a close experience to like when I bought factorio and knew nothing about it

[long mauve]

don't be, theres other channels to discuss spoilers in haha

[marble stream]

Cool

[steep spindle]

Yeah, but that gets let loose in 3 days

[marble stream]

Yeh
I gonna leave the internets

[long mauve]

yeah its just gonna get chaotic to control it all when anyone can share anything they see ingame

[steep spindle]

That's another reason I was gonna hide here

[marble stream]

Peoples like Nilaus will spam the whole internetes with their awful builds

[long mauve]

oh no

[steep spindle]

☠️

[marble stream]

🤮

[steep spindle]

His builds take way to long

[marble stream]

Yeh

[steep spindle]

I looked at his mall prints and immediately didn't like

The science books aren't bad

[long mauve]

I just dont like people who are new to the game get a premade book by someone else

[steep spindle]

And then come in asking "why or how does this work"

That drives me nuts

[marble stream]

Here's my new early build btw

[long mauve]

too clean and easy to make, add some more spaghetti

[marble stream]

There was some, it's just cleaned up

[long mauve]

I was gonna say the only downside is the mass amount of infrastructure you need to get to red science but you have 2 seperate areas for it! genius

[steep spindle]

That's clean

I'm adding beacons to this tonight to try and crank more purple science

Makes 80i/s right now

Wanting to crank it to 100+

Gonna be cranking it to 60/s belts and beacons

[cerulean orbit]

State of the base so far, going for basic chemistry so that I can scale up my sand production (basic chem allows me to turn tailings into more sand)

Outposts

[steep spindle]

#vanilla-chat message

Time to get the Space Science to celebrate SA

[marble stream]

@steep spindle take this @Unspoiled role made by me (I asked mods)

[steep spindle]

Lol

Bro actually.... Thank you I just saw that

[marble stream]

[pseudo echo]

only a week left

i hope to have a plan up by then, and finish off some of my 1kx BPs

[steep spindle]

I'm just going in blind and having fun with it

[steep spindle]

How quick your think you'll get it

[pseudo echo]

i'll have a good enough collection by the time SA releases

i think

i'll need to find information on satellites because 6k of them would cost like 45 million iron and equal amounts of copper

or if the first space science techs are even affected by science multi

[steep spindle]

I hope not but we will find out

[pseudo echo]

that bridge from rocket based space science to space based space science is gonna be a PAIN

[steep spindle]

I have no clue what your saying with that, but I guess I'll find out

Haven't read any FFF truly after 372

And don't plan too

[pseudo echo]

uh oh

uh oh

the 2.0 changes arent looking very friendly to the early game

[steep spindle]

Don't tell me... But yikes

I'm going to guess that it's worse than just logistics if your saying that tho

[pseudo echo]

its in the same tier of "vital to the base but workaround-able"

it will probably be addressed. hopefully, anyway

[steep spindle]

Is it one of those. It's going to be a tough decision to have to choose between

I feel like fireball told me about this one, but I can't place it

[spark idol]

I don’t think it’s gonna actually be that bad

Maybe an extra half hour

[long mauve]

can you dm me or spoiler what changes it is?

|| using this||

[pseudo echo]

||Electric miners are locked under research - a Beta Tester i've talked to says that they are still affected by the science multiplier (25k science to research them)||

[long mauve]

got it, @steep spindle its what I told you about the miners

[steep spindle]

😭

[long mauve]

goodluck

[steep spindle]

We will get it

[zinc creek]

soo cooked

[steep spindle]

Cooked yes, dealable kinda

So basically gonna have to decide underground or miners first, I still feel like underground will be easier to kick-start

I can't spoiler tag on mobile lol

[long mauve]

I dont mind lol these spoilesr are nothing compared to the other channels

[steep spindle]

Yeah that's a simple change that's why I said I didn't mind it when you asked

[cerulean orbit]

Yes you can, just put || at the front and end of the part you want spoilered

[marble stream]

wym it's just ||

Wait you can use rightclick to do that?

[steep spindle]

Yes

[stuck dove]

it's so over

[steep spindle]

What's wrong with that

Deciding between the two I'd still do logistics tbh

[stuck dove]

i am tired of burner phase

[steep spindle]

True, but you can automate it w/o to much hassle

[eager jacinth]

…oh no

[eager jacinth]

And it’s technically something we’ve already heard about in the FFF

[marble stream]

So my beta tester friend won the game in 150h and I asked him why not in 100

Ah, that's because I had false impressions about the end of the game. I was preparing for much more || okay I'll erase this anyways||. If I'd known that the end of the game was a little earlier, I would have done it 50-70 hours ago :)

[cerulean orbit]

wadbvoiu.,m

cat

[marble stream]

tldr it was a there's no time for chit-chat

And you can get it in 100hrs on the first run if you don't slack off

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

I haven't read an FFF since 372 so I didn't know

[slim kelp]

you can have fully automated burner miners, it's just that the patch coverage isn't great

[steep spindle]

Yeah, that's why I think logistics is still the go to here

Just rush the 45k packs and it's back to normal

[steep spindle]

☠️

[mossy saddle]

I did nothing!

[steep spindle]

😂, after your ready next week!!

[mossy saddle]

I'll take the slow approach no pushing

Just enjoying the x1k

Aslong as there aren't meteorites

[steep spindle]

If my hand is healed I'm playing. Got in a fight with a drill bit and lost

[mossy saddle]

How bad did you lose?

[steep spindle]

Thumb and pointer finger got cooked

Thankfully they still exist

[cerulean orbit]

Did you wear gloves?

[steep spindle]

Nope

[cerulean orbit]

Ok good

(and I'm not being sadistic here, gloves actually increase the likelyhood and damage of drill injuries)

[steep spindle]

Oh I was asked that question, if I had a glove on with the drill bit I had. I wouldn't have a hand right now

[vagrant anchor]

Haven't done x1k k2se then

It's really not that bad

[pseudo echo]

oh god

i've collected the first bit of science cost statistics for SA

||6 Million on unlocking the 4 planets alone||

[stuck dove]

do you think >1k multiplier is doable

[cerulean orbit]

"Doable," yes. Fun in any way, shape, or form? Ehh...

[cerulean orbit]

Finally I have baisically fully automated science!

[steep spindle]

I don't think they will add a higher multiplier tbh

[stuck dove]

wait is 1k the actual hardcap?

[steep spindle]

Yeah

Would biters be doable w/o expansion or evo?

I'm curious to see if just having small biters in the map would cause issues no pollution either

[cerulean orbit]

without mods, yes

[steep spindle]

#vanilla-chat message

thoughts on this

for UPS reasons

[vagrant anchor]

Definitely doable, would be a fun challenge

Ups is fine if you kill all the nests around

[steep spindle]

Not only would it be a fun challenge, I was just thinking you know have biters on the map so there's something else to do other than build constantly

The fun part about it is it would end up just being how much can you kill of them instead of how big do they grow. I think

[mossy saddle]

it's definitl doable aslong as you don't upgrade the starter patches to max

else you'll have to issue of clearing 1m biters

when I did that I killed 20k biters in 2m time deleting only a couple of nests

[steep spindle]

The patches will be Max because I want to see how far into the game I get before I start absolutely lagging

[mossy saddle]

should take a while

Depending how many sats scout biters

[spark idol]

You get module 1s at Green sci which should cover expansion into space for a good while

Max patches you put speed modules in those miners

[steep spindle]

I'm still putting efficiency modules for more miners. Because speed modules absolutely murder power

[long mauve]

I mean I never ran out of coal

i did switch to solar though but I think coal or solid fuel is a viable option

[spark idol]

Yeah you’re gonna want onsite power plants on your coal patches

You can move the water faster than coal

And you don’t have to join those up besides with the power poles

[steep spindle]

True, multiple ways to prolly solve it

[spark idol]

And it might sound crazy but I’d recommend burner smelters for the early game

Just off the patch since you have burner miners there. The power consumption will be technically higher but it will take a lot less effort

[mossy saddle]

Coal snake!

[vagrant anchor]

That something else to do will probably be the bulk of the time lol

Or you could add recursive bps

I bet you could get to bots before needing to kill biters if it's 600% starting area

[steep spindle]

Vanilla only

[vagrant anchor]

That sounds more tedious than anything fun to me

Artillery is so far away

[marble stream]

Evo: time 0, kills: 0, pollution: 1‰ to 1%,
Pollution speed 30%, pollution per biter 50%-500%, or maybe 10x HP biters for 10x
Biter spawn min 10-20min as on high evo its always min

[marble stream]

Invite me if you gonna ever start it

[steep spindle]

Trying to also keep ups down while adding biters, haven't decided if I'm going to or not

[long mauve]

yo

unless you want to be spoilered by a ton of things dont read the FFF

[steep spindle]

😭

Ok. The title being labeled lift off was cool tho

[marble stream]

I can "spoil" a bit
The thing that they showed is going to cause a lot of players || be killed by trains||

At least they said so?

[long mauve]

1000%

[marble stream]

Well, once when I was playing with || Kruise Kontrol || I got like five in a row

[marble stream]

Yes, they showed the rocket animation, finally

[steep spindle]

Must not go look

[steep spindle]

Do you know if like base game buying off of factorio and not steam will get me a steam key still right

[long mauve]

Id assume so

should figure that out for sure and put it in a faq.. its only like 3 days though

[steep spindle]

Because of the steam bull shit I'm not buying it on steam and wanted to make sure

[marble stream]

Look what?
The new Youtube video?

Yes please don't look

[long mauve]

if you want I can show yall an image of just the rocket. its pretty cool

[long mauve]

I assume its possible but cant guarentee it. I dont see why it wouldnt be

[steep spindle]

I haven't seen almost anything of space age, and was going to see if this last FFF was crazy spoiler bound or not. Because it is I'm waiting till Monday, and will prolly watch the trailer then

[marble stream]

Not a spoiler, just a regular rocket is space

[long mauve]

it would be so much more fun if you didnt watch the trailer

[steep spindle]

🧐

[long mauve]

as in, youd see a lot of different things in teh trailer

[marble stream]

DO NOT watch the trailer
It explains everything

[steep spindle]

O.o you right

[marble stream]

The trailer on Steam AS WELL

@steep spindle if you could stream I'd watch
Literally everyone knows literally every spoiler, would be interesting to see someone who doesn't know a 💩

I guess everyone even knows even in which order they will research everything

I gonna start on x5 for finite science (I guess I'll cheat infinite down to x1)

Don't wanna to be fast AF for the new Spoon achievement

[steep spindle]

I'm going to try and stream it on twitch, but if twitch wants to be dumb. I'm doing it on discord

I have no problems streaming wow on discord, so I don't see why I'd have an issue on twitch

[marble stream]

Dis is fine

[long mauve]

careful streaming, people will want to spoil you lol

[steep spindle]

Yeah, that's the downside. I don't know if pictures/reactions here is better

[marble stream]

Is there a premoderation?

[long mauve]

wdym

[marble stream]

Ability to someone to remove spoilers before streamer sees them

[long mauve]

youd have to have someone actively watching it and removing comments quickly

[marble stream]

That's why I'm asking if comments could be whitelisted rather then blacklisted

[long mauve]

I guess..? thatd be hard to setup

[steep spindle]

That would be rather difficult

[steep spindle]

Yeah, if I can't get twitch to stabilize Monday I'll more than likely say something here in discord and either stream it in my discord or stream it in a channel here

[pseudo echo]

oh fuck

the techs in space age are HELLA expensive

[steep spindle]

☠️😭😭

How bad we talking or is that spoiler

[pseudo echo]

im guessing at least 15 million red science

actually

WAY more

speed modules, for instance, cost|| 2 million|| now

[steep spindle]

Well, so 1800/m prolly won't cut it anymore

[pseudo echo]

yep

my 2700/m wont be enough...
thankfully i do have a plan.

[spark idol]

I would be interested in a dynamic multiplier that slowly brings the multiplier from 1 at the start up to 1000 at white science

Then keeps 1000 for the rest of the tech tree

[steep spindle]

There are a few mods that do that

[steep spindle]

3600?

[pseudo echo]

the SA buildings allow for some extreme SPMS

i'll push through with 2700 then build a new base around like 7200 or 10800 SPM

actually 14400 sounds about enough

[pseudo echo]

FINALLY done with the 10 RPM build

[steep spindle]

The fact that you already know what that requires scares me

But don't say anything with it

[pseudo echo]

now for the mall

god

[hasty panther]

RPM?

[steep spindle]

Rocket per minute probably

[hasty panther]

Ah

[marble stream]

Hmm
Really?
Okay, then I'll consider cancelling my plan of the first playthrough being x5

[mossy saddle]

he's trying to scare you!

[placid epoch]

not that insane u can do 5x easily

[marble stream]

Can I get the || 100 || hours achievement at 5x?

[placid epoch]

i though there is || 40 and 60 ||

[cerulean orbit]

Sand x2

[pseudo echo]

probably

[elder rover]

So, starting a 1000x multiplier in the dlc tomorrow.

😄

Should be fun going in relativewly blind.

[steep spindle]

yooo you too?

[elder rover]

might as well 😄

may have to get mods to deal with biters

i am guessing you can still do everything with enemies disabled, but i dont want to disable them on the new planets

[pseudo echo]

each planet is mostly independent from each other in the settings

[mossy saddle]

If you have some good biter settings I'll also play with biters

[stuck dove]

I think you can do peaceful mode

[steep spindle]

^

Keeping them at small biters myself tho no Evo, pollution, or expansion

[marble stream]

Wow
I did know SA has more || REDACTED || researches but I didn't truly understand the scale
Its EVERYWHERE

[marble stream]

I've got a screenshot
There's EVEN MORE then I thought

[steep spindle]

😭

[marble stream]

Should I erase the spoiler so you don't read it?

[steep spindle]

I don't click them haha

[marble stream]

Okay now it says redacted

I didn't see the whole tree yet, so

[steep spindle]

I think it's gonna be interesting

[marble stream]

Wonder what'll there be
My beta-tester friend said you can see all spoilers in factoriopedia, hope they fixed that

[steep spindle]

Good thing I don't look at much of anything

I even turned off the animations here

[marble stream]

Wait you could do that

[steep spindle]

Show game simulations

[marble stream]

@steep spindle I've asked and got linked to https://mods.factorio.com/mod/hide-space-age-spoilers?from=search

As of the current version, Factoriopedia (the in-game encyclopedia) shows everything from the get-go, with no option to hide un-researched things like Recipe Book and FNEI could do. All items, all entities, all enemies.

In addition, there are menu simulations (the animated backgrounds) for every planet. If you were hoping to discover planets on your own, it's very difficult to avoid learning about them ahead of time, unless you disable menu simulations and don't use Factoriopedia.

This mod hides menu simulations and Factoriopedia pages from other planets, and lets you un-hide them one-by-one when you want to in the mod's settings.

Can the mod automatically reveal things when appropriate?
Unfortunately, due to the way this hiding works, it cannot automatically detect the state of your game and you have to change the mod settings in the Mod Settings menu, under the "startup" tab. There will be a chat reminder message the first time you reach any new location.

Remember that "startup" mod settings can only be changed from the main menu. You CAN change them for an existing game, you just need to save and quit to the menu first.

Can the mod also hide technologies from the tech tree?
As of now this is not implemented. Unlike Factoriopedia pages and menu simulations, it's not as common to accidentally spoil yourself something on the tech tree, since you have to intentionally scroll down and follow dependency paths.

If you would like this feature, let me know in the Discussions.

Hopefully the mod Discovery Tree will be ported to 2.0, and then I don't have to do it :P

@steep spindle you need this

[steep spindle]

I turned off the sim, which that mod said it does

I think I'm ok unless they change this background

[marble stream]

Factoriopedia (the in-game encyclopedia) shows everything from the get-go, with no option to hide un-researched things like Recipe Book and FNEI could do. All items, all entities, all enemies.

[steep spindle]

I also wanted it unmodded for achievements

Wonder if that would change anything

[marble stream]

Hmm okay
Then just don't ever open the fnei I guess?

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I think that will be the play

[marble stream]

Hmm
Unbind it in controls
same as ppls do for crafting at lazyb

[pseudo echo]

SA 1000x is looking more daunting every time I get something new

Well

In about 13 ours as of now

I get to see the true scale of what i have dug myself into

[steep spindle]

Aren't you the one trying to do it first?

@pseudo echo

[elder rover]

1000x is the same as doing 1x, you just have to build 10 times more of the same design

(or 100x or 1000x if youre amibtious)

andf a lot of waiting

so much waiting

[steep spindle]

if your waiting your doing it wrong

[umbral wedge]

time spent waiting is time you could spend growing the factory

[elder rover]

i mean when you have tapped everything and you still dont have the first tech, much less trains, it is a lot of waiting unless you want to run belts for 10 miles lol

i usually play on scarce resources

biters enabled

and the last attempt i did was on a ribbon world lol

with massive oceans

usually i have all of the spawn resources totally capped out with miners and that long before i get anything resembling long distance resource transport

[steep spindle]

8hr 40m >.<

[elder rover]

i gotta mow grass in that amoutn of time lol

so i wont be able to try it until for another 5-6 hours until afetr release

[marble stream]

.

[pseudo echo]

today is the day

[mossy saddle]

I'm not allowed to buy factorio

the dlc

[marble stream]

Why

[mossy saddle]

Friends wanna buy it for me but that means I can't play directly

[quiet sandal]

if they aren't buying it for you the second it releases are they real friends?

can't let a second go to waste

[mossy saddle]

[marble stream]

So is Maraphon only tech costs now?

[steep spindle]

I can't wait

[marble stream]

I'm running SAx5MaraphonLasyBastardNoSpoon

BTW Maraphon is now just x4 science

[pseudo echo]

uh

good luck

i've done a damage report on the MINIMUM required techs

||21 840 000||

[stuck dove]

I think I'll try x100

[marble stream]

I'll think about big ratios after I get my 40hrs achieve

[steep spindle]

Minimum to beat space age?

[pseudo echo]

yes

[steep spindle]

I didn't click the spoiler but I assumed it was going to be a metric shit ton

[steep spindle]

If you are backing down 900x, I'm concerned now. But I'll see i guess

[pseudo echo]

im doing 1kx

mitru is 100x

[steep spindle]

Oh, my bad to many names haha

[pseudo echo]

anyway, ive stamped down my premade BP for early game

[steep spindle]

Nice, what SPM is it

[pseudo echo]

2700

[mossy saddle]

did you find any the best preset for biters?

[pseudo echo]

first full box of iron to get logistics and e miners

29 to go

i might have to disable biters

[marble stream]

I regret trying Lazy Bastard On The 1:30 Rails Maraphon

That's 2k greens

Divide by 20 minutes that's 100/min

hmm

All I need is to restart (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[steep spindle]

[marble stream]

And a friend
Gonna invite FriendOfDimava to help

And gonna switch to Railworld to reve more resources (it affects only Nauvis btw)

[marble stream]

I've lost yet again (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Tomorrow 6am 3rd try

[steep spindle]

The amount of fucking options

is NUTS

there are so many options

[marble stream]

Okay there are two achieves you won't get without reading descriptions anyways

@steep spindle wanna see?

[steep spindle]

they changed the Map >.<

[marble stream]

They are sooooooooo fd up

[steep spindle]

I'm just drooling

There are enemies in this world

no Pollution/Evo/Expansion and its on Peaceful

I'm just in Awe of this rn

[marble stream]

Not to be confused with this one

[steep spindle]

wtf lol

these 3 are the only 3 I can't get

prolly because peaceful mode

[marble stream]

Makes sense

[steep spindle]

which that is fine with me

[hasty panther]

those 3 can come later

[steep spindle]

I'm not looking at the rest tho

[marble stream]

Hmm
Maybe you try no pollution diffusion instead?

[steep spindle]

they actually tell you why now

omg

[eager jacinth]

What, you don’t think you could beat the game in 40 hours with 1kx research cost?

[steep spindle]

I havent even opened teh tech tree

kinda scared to now

[eager jacinth]

I’m sorry what

[eager jacinth]

Even in the base game that sounds painful

[eager jacinth]

That’s a bit more doable, just a bit of a slow burn

[steep spindle]

is the "Item: Copper Plate" intended?

[eager jacinth]

Even if it isn’t that’s probably still good for modded content or screen readers

[steep spindle]

BRUH

[eager jacinth]

And the “item:” part helps differentiate it from resource nodes or minable structures

[steep spindle]

oh i'm having a fucking aneurysm

[eager jacinth]

Imagine if the cost here was also 1000x

[marble stream]

They always were

[steep spindle]

its off center now... that has to be something

[long mauve]

whats off center

[hasty panther]

the alt icon maybe?

[steep spindle]

the plate in the furnace

[long mauve]

just wait till you see labs

[steep spindle]

I have to go back to work now

I'll stream in disc or something when I get home

[marble stream]

Hmm I see quality diamonds

[mossy saddle]

the labs make me go crazy

[marble stream]

Oof labs

[marble stream]

I don't see its being off
Its pixel perfect on

[marble stream]

Plz write https://r.3v.fi/discord-timestamps/ on when you gonna stream

[stuck dove]

first time not having early bots in a while

i miss them

I like making those really spread-out balancers like the 1:3 entering the red science and the 3:1 leaving it

[mossy saddle]

which multiplier are you using

[stuck dove]

just x100

[mossy saddle]

damn already that far

[stuck dove]

wym

I'll probably be overtaken by some x1000s tbh since I play slowly

[mossy saddle]

I also play very slowly xD

I've just reached 1% on the first logistics tech

[stuck dove]

when I tried x1000 a while ago, I ended up making a 900 spm (full yellow belt) base for splitters

took 30k red science since I grabbed lights too : ^)

[mossy saddle]

o-o that's alot!

I'm at 144 spm at the moment

[stuck dove]

it was a fun puzzle to do it

[mossy saddle]

must've been a pain though at the beginning

[steep spindle]

If twitch will cooperate, if it doesn't, I'll probably stream in discord

[marble stream]

I mean the relative or absolute time

Cuz like I gonna sleep somewhen

[steep spindle]

About 3-4hrs is when I plan to try

[marble stream]

So around <t:1729551600:R> <t:1729551600:F>
Okay
That's 2AM for me, gonna be midsleep as I'm gonna play at 6:30

Okay Goodnight

[steep spindle]

Good night

[marble stream]

What's that time in your timezone btw

[steep spindle]

6pm