High Science Multiplier

[steep spindle]

@long mauve did you do pure vanilla. like water and everything?

[long mauve]

Yes pure vanilla settings just no biters and 1 mod to let me do the multiplier

[steep spindle]

hmmm.... I might try a pure railworld.

[long mauve]

Pure vanilla is pain

My starter patch is not enough iron for logistics so I’m on multiple patches for the first research

[steep spindle]

if you made increased richness it still might not be. My increased richnes worlds has like 30M

[mossy saddle]

fireball next multiplier will be x1m

[long mauve]

Only 400k iron for logistics 1

[steep spindle]

[long mauve]

Even 100,000 would be near impossible

[zinc creek]

max richness/size go brrr

multiple 400M iron ore pathce

s

[steep spindle]

yeah

its how I play lol

normally its 400-600-600 but recently its been 150-600-600

[long mauve]

Way too much

I like playing with 17 richness

[pseudo echo]

4million iron

fuck

[long mauve]

Yeah no

It’d be more than that

[pseudo echo]

40 million iron and 20 million copper for logistics in 1 million X

[jovial oriole]

Based

[pseudo echo]

80 million iron on expensive mode

[steep spindle]

☠️

[mossy saddle]

XD impossible!!

Unless you use like an x64 mod but would still take bloody ages

[pseudo echo]

the largest single world base can probably reach 50k SPM which is enough to beat it in less than 1 year of 24/7 running

assuming no speedup

though powering 50k SPM of red and green science with only coal sounds like fun

[steep spindle]

I can't wait to see the big ass base built in 2.0 for the x1k

[quiet sandal]

1 million x is just too high

at that point it's not even about building large

it's just an endless grind and your computer won't even be able to handle the end game

[spark idol]

I built my second science module today

[long mauve]

Show us

[spark idol]

I don’t think I can

[mossy saddle]

why

[spark idol]

I’m not going to say why

[mossy saddle]

👀

you didn't build? 😛

[spark idol]

I was proud of it but it’s probably not worth showing

[marble stream]

If it does more then 1x vanilla SPM it does wirth showing

[spark idol]

It makes like 300 or so

Red and green science with nickel

[marble stream]

Ppl don't want to see designs because they are good
Ppl want to see designs because they are different

[spark idol]

I would show it

[mossy saddle]

what mod are you playing?

[spark idol]

It’s a special hand picked set

I picked the mods to make heavy use of cargo ships

I’m gonna get back on that game thanks for reminding me

[mossy saddle]

you're welcome ^^

[spark idol]

I think the spaghetti is gonna get the better of me

I’m starting to use 2 red belts of iron

And I don’t have much space to integrate more throughput

[steep spindle]

Show it!!

[spark idol]

I’ll get a screenshot tonight

Unfortunately you won’t see any boats but I’m close to starting that up

I think I wanna make an island for science and centralize refinement and some intermediates on my main island

I wanna make a belt of the pistons from nickel

Cause those things are a pain in the ass to make

1:2:2 ratio so you DI, but when you need 3 machines of them for every factory module it takes up a lot of space overall

[long mauve]

@spark idol I literally havent made any progress, no time to. but I do have some time off tomorrow evening so the plan is to continue then!

[spark idol]

I like seeing your progress

[steep spindle]

Haven't played factorio in quite awhile might soon. Warcraft sucked me back

[pseudo echo]

I gave up on my K2 1000x but I might restart it.

[fleet kindle]

imagine k2se but 1000x 💀

[spark idol]

And?

[slim kelp]

do full pY x1000 :)

[fleet kindle]

seablock

[quiet sandal]

no normal seablock is bad enough

[pseudo echo]

someone is doin 1000x seablock

https://trang.ar/seablock/map/

https://trang.ar/seablock/ is their live updating production stats

i might do 1000x pY at some point

[ember plinth]

jumps in

I started 1x, then after red belt research, switched to 100x

there is some console command to do that

interesting so far, doing 15 science per second red/green to do some progress

[spark idol]

Plenty of people do that 1k seablock but I think you should get to start with algae and I don’t think you do

[umbral wedge]

can't you use console commands to give yourself algae? you're the one setting the challenge, you decide what standards to hold yourself to

[jovial oriole]

You start out with some of it, no?

[spark idol]

I’m talking about the machine

[jovial oriole]

Oh, Algeafarm

[spark idol]

It lets you get more power in early game

[jovial oriole]

Don't you unlock it by getting a certain item?

[jovial oriole]

True

[spark idol]

I think you have to do some research

[jovial oriole]

Btw, just play with a speedup mod for early game

[jovial oriole]

Not as far as I remember

[pseudo echo]

i think they are playing without a speedup mod

[jovial oriole]

FF's

[pseudo echo]

and rather running it on a server 24/7

[jovial oriole]

Okay, that is costly, but makes sense

[pseudo echo]

a server they themselves own iirc

sorta like stuffing the game onto a 2nd computer.

[jovial oriole]

Still costly, power cost still stays

But if they have some solar on their roof, maybe "free"

[pseudo echo]

its not more expensive than running it on your main device 24/7

besides if they use speedup mods its extra processing power with increases power cost anyways

[jovial oriole]

Well, you're basically running it twice though, also permanently, so it is an increase in power draw nonetheless

[jovial oriole]

Partially, speedup mod shouldn't increase power draw more than running a seperate server for the same time yield, but I don't really know, just guessing from current knowledge and a bit of intuition.

[pseudo echo]

its costing them at most 100 dollars a month to run, and they live in Switzerland where pay isnt excruciatingly low.

[jovial oriole]

Okay yeah, they are rich

[pseudo echo]

i never said they are rich

[jovial oriole]

I did

Just a minute ago

[pseudo echo]

hm

[jovial oriole]

Welp, I definitely need to get some motivation to continue both my Seablock world and my 100x default world

[pseudo echo]

regular deathworld is a good pallete cleanser if you need.

[jovial oriole]

I played like 7 of them already, currently doing a full default world with a friend, to reach my CPU's limit

[steep spindle]

Rocket turret go brrrr

Can't wait to do the unmodded x1k run in 2.0

[mossy saddle]

with biters?

[steep spindle]

Nooooo no no no

[pseudo echo]

i will probably also do 1000x SA

when it comes out

though im not sure if i want to do 1000x first or do a regular playthrough of it

[mossy saddle]

I thought youd do it

[quiet sandal]

regular playthrough first

think of it as playing your first game, it should be unmodded

[steep spindle]

I've thought a couple times about a regular playthrough, but I'm really interested at not only experiencing it nearly blind, but experiencing it with a slower pace

[fleet kindle]

1000x vanilla with biters but biters are turned down 1000x aswell

[pseudo echo]

you cant turn biters down to 1/1000 without mods sadly

[marble stream]

Really?

[spark idol]

You can turn them to like 2%

Of what they normally are

[zinc creek]

how?

the slider only goes to 17%

[pseudo echo]

biter evolution*

[zinc creek]

oh

[spark idol]

My multiplier is geometric it goes from 1.5 to 240 from the primary techs to rocket silo

I am working on getting stack inserters so I can have better rail throughput

[steep spindle]

I just realized my issue with not doing a 600-600-600 for the level 30 infinite tech in 2.0 the amount of damn resources that going to require will need all of that

[spark idol]

I like the multipliers cause they get me to take some time and decorate when things are slow

[pseudo echo]

the only way for me to not get overwhelmed is a tech multi

i will probably do a 10x or even 50-100x as my first SA run.

[ember plinth]

nuclear is faaar away, all running on coal, and that 1 beaconed bp quadrupled my energy consumption 😵‍💫

and it's just 100x not 1000x ^^

[mossy saddle]

You could always rush nuclear

If you want

[ember plinth]

prob gonna do that and set up some more coal plants in the mean time

[mossy saddle]

I've got 1GW in coal power so it's doable xd

[jovial oriole]

You're able to afford 1GW of coal pollution in 100x? You're playing with biters off?

[mossy saddle]

X1000 biters are off obviously since meteors n cme is more then annoying enough to deal with imo

I mean they're on but not on nauvis...

[jovial oriole]

Idk how that happened, but I wanted to ping Bageera and somehow missread your 1GW of coal power as his message . . . well

[ember plinth]

biters off for me too, in my last run i couldnt set them hard enough, then added rampant and they overrun me late game

[modern citrus]

Have you considered coal liquifaction? Or taking some crude field(s) and dedicating them to solid fuel for your boilers, instead of coal?

[umbral wedge]

coal -> oil -> solid fuel doubles the burner energy output (assuming you use advanced oil processing & cracking)

solid fuel is genuinely a reasonable choice as a fuel source

one turning into gives the 🔥 energy output of six s mining

(s process at twice the rate s mine , and has 3× the fuel value of )

[ember plinth]

interesting

[umbral wedge]

ofc if nuclear's far away you don't have coal liquefaction, but -> -> is better than anyone gives it credit for (mostly b/c it's compared to solar and nuclear power, which are fantastic)

[ember plinth]

gonna remember that, thanks

[umbral wedge]

it's still an intermediate step before lategame power sources, don't get me wrong, but it's a good one.

[umbral wedge]

correction, they're only 3× more effective. I thought the solid fuel crafting time was 1s instead of 2s.

[steep spindle]

Well. We start a x1k Randomizer mod playthrough and this happens

interesting craft start too

[mossy saddle]

exfret is one scary person with his mods

[jovial oriole]

Haha

[steep spindle]

I can't wait to see the further recipes

[spark idol]

If you get a fast inserter, a cargo wagon bus becomes really useful

[steep spindle]

Hey Fireball are you still doing your x10k?

[steep spindle]

@long mauve (sorry for the ping) just curious 🤔

[long mauve]

no I quit because i did default ore patch sizes, it was way to much of a grind

[steep spindle]

🤕 yeah I could see that

I'm still deciding on this randomizer

[long mauve]

the randomizer seems fun but not fun enough to do it for 300-500 hours if that makes sense

[steep spindle]

True

Warcraft beta and rocket League season tomorrow

[long mauve]

true, gonna have to hop back on that grind

[steep spindle]

I'm getting GC this season in S15

[long mauve]

nice! goodluck with taht

[steep spindle]

Thanks!

[steep spindle]

I am attempting to revive my x1k world till 2.0 now

Going to finish out all the pre infinite science

[ember plinth]

i'm in with x100 run (and no modules, maybe no trains too)

want to finish that one before 2.0 hits 🙂

[jovial oriole]

You should get modules asap

Best investment

[ember plinth]

i'm not going to module/beacon anything 😄

it's too easy

[steep spindle]

A challenge in a challenge I see, neat. Good luck

[pseudo echo]

Low tier machines only as well

My 1000x run definitely could have been done without the eff modules if I was willing to hook in a few extra coal power plants and wait for kovarex to research.

[ember plinth]

400-800 science per minute for now, i need tier 2 assemblers ^^

[jovial oriole]

Which science multi?

Also biters on or off?

World settings?

[ember plinth]

100

biters peaceful

resources 300%

[jovial oriole]

Alright

I am doing a 100x default settings besides my current attempts at a cityblock megabase

[ember plinth]

100 is enough for me, slows the game down a lot, finally doing a 2700spm base matters

[jovial oriole]

Welp

You surely are able to understand my relief, after unlocking flamethrowers at 60% evolution then, do you?

It was truly bold of me to go in a 100x on default settings, especially with it being my first higher science multi run xD

[ember plinth]

ohyes, biters get nasty, especially when trying to mass produce some science packs 😅

[jovial oriole]

Or when you can only destroy up to 10 nests before having to run to laser turrets or accepting death

But big biters weren't too scary tbh

I only needed 1k red ammo + 200 nades to kill a size 10 - 20 base roughly

[modern citrus]

So long as you can destroy one spawner on any given sortie into the nest, you’re going to come out on top. Eventually.

[steep spindle]

stopping today, massive progress towards goal of all science before infinite tech research

[ember plinth]

200 labs are not enough for my science production 😅 and i have no red belts yet

lets try 400 ..

[jovial oriole]

My 100x world has 300 labs, which is enough for a single yellow belt on avg

[ember plinth]

waiting for my labs, watching they cant empty that belt makes me mad 😄

[modern citrus]

400 labs was enough, depending on lab speed and research time, to consume 900 SPM. That was using red belts, half belt for each science

[steep spindle]

Finished 12 stack size tonight, doing bots and other stuff tomorrow

[ember plinth]

i'm preparing my base for 2700 spm (but need red belts first, research ongoing)

biters may be peaceful but need to clear some nests nearby. i tried it with the pistol but even the smallest rampant nest killed me

[long mauve]

@steep spindle you inspired me to start finish researching everything on my 1000x world

[steep spindle]

🙂 go get it!

I was going to look at my signalling tonight, but playing RL instead

I'll SS what I have left in a bit

[long mauve]

signalling is always a pain to fix i dont blame you

[long mauve]

less than me atleast! im working on blue belts right now then spiders then clean up the rest

oh, and inserter hand size so my endgame builds work properly

[steep spindle]

lots of mods in there also tbh

I just got stack 12 last night

[long mauve]

true, still need to research them. Congrats!

[steep spindle]

Thanks, and yeah train stations just started pumping

I think the and researches will just blast because those are set to 6k/m right now

QoL Research mod is insane with the prices tho

[steep spindle]

Also trying to decide a build before I get to

[spark idol]

Gotta think about that stone

[steep spindle]

I have a stone to stone brick maker

But pure stone not so much

[spark idol]

Youre thinking of a furnace

[steep spindle]

What was military science outside of iron plate and coal for the grenade

[spark idol]

The bullets

Lots of iron and some copper

[steep spindle]

Now I see

All I need is a build and I'd have it

I have all of that being made

[steep spindle]

I wonder how much of a benefit building rail tracks that support 2-4 trains truly does, because the tracks I have laid down are sadly for 1-1 or 1-2 lol

[long mauve]

I am actually going to place a 10K build lmao, even though the rest of my research is not there yet. Future proofing!

[pseudo echo]

really depends on your play style

x-4 trains are really nice for unloading and loading because 4 and its factors/multiples are just really nice to work with

larger trains are generally better unless you are dealing with wierd cases, as long as you keep good acceleration on the train.

[steep spindle]

Right now my rail system only supports 1-2 outside of the loading/unloading stations so that was my delima

[steep spindle]

Hmmm

[pseudo echo]

what type of rail base are you after?

[steep spindle]

Just that but cleaner I don't like city blocks so I build my own

[steep spindle]

And that base was about 2 days ago

[steep spindle]

another research bites the dust!

[steep spindle]

I love the fact that proper rail signals just make trains do.

[zinc creek]

Is this vanilla? I assume so

[steep spindle]

It's Vanilla with QoL mods, only game changer is belts and loaders

[zinc creek]

faster belts and loaders?

if it aint an overhaul it is QoL

for me atleast

[steep spindle]

Yeah

No overhaul mods at all

[steep spindle]

well its at 99% lol. we are closing in

I went from needing to fix the steel to needing to fix the advanced circuits LOL

[long mauve]

closing in!

[steep spindle]

It's getting complicated, and I think I need to add 2 more smelter setups

Because there isn't enough copper or iron and the plastic is about to die

😭

[steep spindle]

base progress and techs remaining

[steep spindle]

I think tomorrow I'm going to make the other smelters start smashing more ore out, and then build a whole nother one, because I need more plates

[long mauve]

Good progress! I think what will help you is getting a builder train so it’s very easy to nab more patches . It’s what I did and I’m so much faster now

[spark idol]

Purple science solar panels?

[steep spindle]

It's a codegreen mod that helps consolidate solar panels

[spark idol]

What does that mean

[steep spindle]

Makes it produce more power per each panel

[tepid axle]

SF advanced solar

Adds a larger, stronger solar panel and matching accumulator.

Author

SpeckledFleebeedoo

Downloads

6174

[steep spindle]

I believe it's that one

[steep spindle]

True, getting faster patches and more ore to trains

[scenic imp]

yeah no I made this one
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/compact-solar

I don't even use it

[steep spindle]

Ahh my bad, yeah it's speckleds version

[spark idol]

How come the solar panel is small

[scenic imp]

the thumbnail is misleading

[steep spindle]

It's gonna be fun trying to blast the remaining portion of this base and figure out a military science

[scenic imp]

it's just solar panels with 10x the stats and 10x the cost

I probably won't be updating it to 2.0

[steep spindle]

That's ok my world in 2.0 will have no mods

It's gonna be full vanilla till at least all the achieves are done

I'm currently running into a traffic jam, not dead locks just a crap ton of trains fighting for stations

So adding a new smelter elsewhere to make traffic less I thought would be better

[long mauve]

let me see the problem area

[pseudo echo]

i may be doing something stupid

if you see the add on to my name, just note that it most certainly wont last

[steep spindle]

Which part? The trains that run by the iron and copper smelters at the top of the base is the issue

[steep spindle]

What is IM?

[pseudo echo]

impossible mode

doubles the cost of every recipe

[steep spindle]

[pseudo echo]

i need about 3.2 million copper and 2 million iron to unlock electric miners, steam power, and logistics. (as well as red tech cards)

(ore)

[steep spindle]

[pseudo echo]

i most certainly wont complete it

[steep spindle]

Most people thought I wouldn't complete the x1k and it started a whole channel and challenges in the discord here

Or they thought it wasn't fun then tired it after they saw me doing it and jumped along

[pseudo echo]

wait you are sort of the pioneer or something?

[steep spindle]

It all kinda kicked off after Maxreader the mod made this channel, and people bandwagoned along. Was like maybe 5 months or so ago I think

It used to just be named x1000 science I believe, but Fireball changed it to high science multiplier.

This looks daunting until tried

I don't necessarily know if I'm the one that started catalyst for the channel and fun, but I think I definitely helped make it happen

If Max remembers he could say

[candid shadow]

It was mostly you, but I got slightly annoyed by people talking about it constantly and then acting like it should be obvious that that’s what they were talking about

So it got its own thread to keep the conversation clear

[steep spindle]

Yeah I just went back to see that #vanilla-chat message

I felt bad it was confusing people

Appreciated you doing that

Yeah cause when you mentioned general was really just for x1 I completely understood

[long mauve]

I meant the area that had a lot of traffic

[steep spindle]

Yeah it's the rail line underneath the smelters

[candid shadow]

Not that it’s necessarily ONLY for x1, but when people joining the conversation get belittled for assuming it was stock vanilla, something is wrong

[steep spindle]

That makes sense

[steep spindle]

I can photo that in like an hour or so

[steep spindle]

Well, I'll photo it this evening. My lunch break was short

[steep spindle]

@long mauve its the intersection/track underneath the smelters

[long mauve]

oh i see, doesnt seem too bad

[steep spindle]

its not atm....

I moved this smelters output to try and combat it

ahhh here we are

[steep spindle]

#1188693488464834623 message

[steep spindle]

Tonight's base photo

Spent most of the night organizing korarex for power

[long mauve]

the base is growing!

[steep spindle]

Ye! Got 3 researchs done tonight

[long mauve]

heres mine. the north east corner is a new addition that makes 12 belts of green circuits, 2 belts of steel, 4 belts of blue science and some other random stuff. Im facing a couple problems as I scale to 10K spm which are the lack of iron and power. A building solar train and construction train have sped up the game immensely though

three iron products are at the top of the requested pile which is not good, need to grab a ton more iron quickly

[steep spindle]

I need just a bit more iron and copper and I'll be cooking again. My plastic died tonight

[steep spindle]

That's a giant base

Neat looking

[long mauve]

Plastic is always the tough one I feel like

Thanks! I try to keep it somewhat organized

I’m thinking about converting something to city blocks but I don’t know after a discussion in #vanilla-chat of how easily they can deadlift

[steep spindle]

I don't think city blocks can get the amount of throughput needed for this scale of a base tbh

But I'm biased I hate them

And when elevated rails come out I'll hate them even more, because I'm building an even better "wherever I feel like" base

I've contemplated where to put my 30k/m plate build

Maybe top right corner

[long mauve]

I’m biased too I don’t like them but I never tried them

30k is what, 11 blue belts ?

I have so many 8 belt smelters right off ore patches at this point

[steep spindle]

8 Green belts

So maybe like 11-12 blue yeah

[steep spindle]

I've contemplated that too

[long mauve]

onsite smelting is so good

[steep spindle]

Just grabbing a building train and blasting

[long mauve]

its all the ore trains gone which are the least compact

[steep spindle]

How do you deal with moving them, just go find more patches?

[long mauve]

more patches

thats why im so spread out. doesnt look like it, but the ore patches are the farthest out

[steep spindle]

Ahh

Well gn gotta sleep

Good luck with the base!

[long mauve]

goodnight!

[pseudo echo]

for my current masochistic playthrough, im deciding on the resource input for my starter mall build

since the 1.5k miners required for 900 SPM red and basic tech cards alone with cost 650k iron ore

i want it quite big, but not too big that its just a nightmare to build

well, by big i mean high resource amounts

1 belt of iron plates requires 4 belts of iron ore

[long mauve]

yikes... start small and scale up would be my sgugestion

[pseudo echo]

ye

my plan is that i paste the entire thing down and build a part of it, before using its own output to build itself

as i legit cannot progress much more, ive already mine 2,05 million iron ore with burner drills and am working on 3.2 million copper ore

im trying to decide on a smelter design as i want to avoid undergrounds as much as possible

i start off with 1 iron ore belt, then expand to the full 4 after a little bit, then go to 16 ore belts afterwards when i begin working on science production

[long mauve]

yeah, goodluck with that. hard part is scaling up in a fast way

[pseudo echo]

i included bobs adjustable inserters in the mod pack, might as well use them.

another thing i found interesting is that fast inserters happened to use less iron than regular inserters thanks to some wierd things in IM

[long mauve]

Huh thats weird

[pseudo echo]

since it requires less crafting steps, the doubling of recipes doesnt affect it as much

sure, the total of iron and copper is higher, but it is less iron

[steep spindle]

I think my next x1k unmodded world will be in that order instead of

Better tree murder

[pseudo echo]

its 48 iron ore cheaper each

wait the iron copper total is lower

a fast inserter uses 48 less iron at the cost of 16 more copper

and ofc the 3.2 coal and wood each

i will design around fast inserters

and use normal inserters until then (well, long insterters since they are only a tad bit more expensive but noticeably more throughput)

here is the smelting stack design ive created

[steep spindle]

Fireball, how are you doing military science?

[long mauve]

thats a lot of spaghetti for just a belt of iron

I might prioritize a dseign thats easier to handbuild to be honest

[long mauve]

eventually this 4 belt mammoth

[pseudo echo]

ive got personal bots thanks to K2 quickstart

[long mauve]

problem is each of these undergrounds needs half a belt of iron and coal so thats a lot of spaghetti im not ready for

[long mauve]

oh okay thats great then

[steep spindle]

so a tanker every 15s is still not enough to keep up with this mess. I guess I need to make another oil field patch and train it over

[long mauve]

That’s why I hate plastic, I’m thinking of doing coal liq

[spark idol]

I’m getting a full yellow belt of each science and it’s just not enough

[long mauve]

never enough of anything

I just added more iron to fix my 1 million requested iron plates via train. and now its -400K red circuits which is just gonna be a nightmare to solve. Hopefully it has something to do with plastic so if I solve plastic that solves half of it

and yeah thats it, just no plastic due to something in oil.

[steep spindle]

You are making me want to just build an outpost for plates

[spark idol]

I can’t wait to have trains

I’m gonna have to strip up some factory that will be in the way

[long mauve]

Do it

[spark idol]

My plan is to have 4-16 trains carrying my basic resources and 2-8 trains carrying intermediates and steel

Maybe 4-16 will just be the ore trains though so that one ore train fills one plate train

[long mauve]

Why not on-site smelting

[spark idol]

Might be smart

Most of my patches are like 30 million

But I like centralized smelting

[long mauve]

I will never run out of sulfur again

[steep spindle]

It will last me forever because the resource patches are high. What is the time that train mining is a thing

[spark idol]

Where were you at on 15 hours for x1k

I feel stuck because I’ve run out of belt space

[mossy saddle]

where are you rn lizzy

[spark idol]

I got red belts

And that helped a lot actually

[steep spindle]

By 24hrs I had researched trains, could a prolly done it in 15-18hrs if I didn't afk slightly

[spark idol]

I’m glad cause I’m starting to do that

[spark idol]

I may have accidentally left my game on overnight

[steep spindle]

ruh roh

[spark idol]

I didn’t

I got hit by my first train

This is a milestone

[steep spindle]

23 kills, all train related

[mossy saddle]

the trains are your worst nightmare...

I think I'm on dead 7 cus of it xD

surprisingly no meteors yet

[spark idol]

Is anyone else putting intermediates on the trains

[long mauve]

Who isn’t?

[mossy saddle]

Yeah I got a stop for every intermediate almost that's why I nearly got 100 trains trying to drive over me

I'm starting to think city block designs aren't that great for my run tho

[spark idol]

I think it’s smart to dedicate mining patches to specific things in this. That way those first steps aren’t on the rails.

Like a patch of iron just for engine units

Copper wire actually has the same rail throughput as copper plates

[long mauve]

It does but just have circuits made near the ore patch for so much greater efficiency

[spark idol]

You’ll have to deliver iron

Anyways I’m not doing that because my patches aren’t big enough

[mossy saddle]

I've got cute small patches too I didn't walk away due to not an inf world and loads of biters

[spark idol]

I never thought to not build my base on the starting area

[steep spindle]

I am going MAD

[spark idol]

I’ve made a terrible mistake

I built seven smelting columns instead of eight

[steep spindle]

I built this so far, currently hooking up the Loading side

[steep spindle]

I'm going to go mad with power tomorrow

[steep spindle]

I know that picture prolly doesn't mean much w/o context. But it's a smelter design going from 30k/m to 120k/m
I just know my entire base will be at a stand still because I have to rip the whole thing up

[wild lion]

that's a nice upgrade :D

[mossy saddle]

@spark idol what in the world is that balancer xD

Woops accidental tag

[ember plinth]

one full blue belt of military science (well, blue belts are still far away, but need to start somewhere)

[modern citrus]

Gonna restart this once I get my new computer.

[steep spindle]

Which one lol

[mossy saddle]

The very top one how many lanes is that o-o

[steep spindle]

32

[mossy saddle]

Damn x-x

Why not 64 hehe time for 200k plates!

[steep spindle]

If I need to go that route I need to figure out a different train size

I kinda want to ping Fireball after it's built lol

It's going to make my whole base come to a crawl

[mossy saddle]

I'm not even sure how you'll supply that I hope your ore patches are huge near it XD

1.4TW is insane xD

[steep spindle]

I'ma find a way

[steep spindle]

Huh?

Oh that power metric is just the creative power brick

[mossy saddle]

👀 good luck with the challenge silly goose

How much spm are you going for atm?

[steep spindle]

Right now my spm is lower but it's not being sustained because the plates just aren't fast enough

SPM wise I think last I looked was 6k
4.4k
2.4k
900
0

This was when I set it up

But it's come to a crawl because my plates just can't supply the base

[mossy saddle]

prod science do be a pain in the back

[steep spindle]

The whole base is being reworked after I get 14k belts

[steep spindle]

ending tonight progress on Smelter

Going to rename the Ore Drop to all one I think for faster lanes

[vagrant anchor]

Probably shouldnt do that if you want your ups to survive to even like the midgame

I got sucked back into factorio lol will probably restart a x1k k2se run soon, though I want to kinda make a compiler thingy for production lines mod to save ups first before jumping into it

[spark idol]

I ran out of belts

[long mauve]

make more?

[spark idol]

I’m just using them faster than my belt mall can make them

I’m using red belts now, no yellow belts

[modern citrus]

So set up more production, and take it down when it is no longer needed (leave the mall setup alone)

[spark idol]

Science ingredients are automated now so I have to make the science

After that I need to get more ores

I’m starting to wish I had made the resources more frequent

[steep spindle]

This is why I made mine everywhere

[steep spindle]

The only three goals I have right now is to get that iron back online, make military science, and potentially have to redo copper

[spark idol]

Researching grenades was so worth it

I would have spent an hour clearing trees right now

[steep spindle]

@long mauve what train mod do you use

[tepid axle]

Project Cybersyn - Logistics Train Dispatcher

Creates a feature-rich train logistics network through cybernetic combinators. With just this mod you can coordinate the economic inputs and outputs of your entire megabase.

Author

lesbian_mami

Downloads

15191

[long mauve]

What train problems are you having GGs? I remember atleast reading a discussion with you and trains and there was a lot of confusion

[steep spindle]

Oh I didn't understand the whole train limit things

My next base I'm going to just do on a x1 and do trains different I think

[long mauve]

I definitely recommend cybersyn, but trains are changing a lot with interrupts in 2.0 so its gonna be interesting

[steep spindle]

Yeah I'm unmodded world then

[long mauve]

makes sense, id do that to atleast learn the vanilla train system

what I like about cybersyn @steep spindle is the simplicitiy of cybersyn. 1 combinator and 1 constant combinator station, thats it. And trains can service any station. Its also very easy to make multi item dropoffs

[steep spindle]

That makes sense

I might attempt a x1 world for it and just mega base it

[long mauve]

I did that on one of my first worlds and it was fun

got up to 1350 spm, then quit it

[steep spindle]

And blast science to see how fast I can infinite tech

[long mauve]

you can blast thru infinnite tech I bet with all the new toys in 2.0

something simple like stacked items on belts is HUGEEE for megabasing

[steep spindle]

🧐

[long mauve]

and quality modules, boom to production

[steep spindle]

You make me want to look at the FFFs now

[long mauve]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-393
tldr: no filter inserters, green belts ( 60 item/second ), and 4x belt throughput

[steep spindle]

But I want to stay away lol

[long mauve]

oops well I spoilered that for you

[steep spindle]

☠️

Oh wow

No that one is fine

[long mauve]

all ill say is that you will need the belt throughput

[steep spindle]

That's obnoxious

I already use green belts LOL

[long mauve]

yeah I know haha I thought you read the FFFs

[steep spindle]

I read a couple of em

Then stopped

[long mauve]

Ive read them all lol, so many new cool things

[steep spindle]

Last one I vivid remember tbh was this one

[long mauve]

that one is a couple months old I think, still accurate though to my knowledge

[steep spindle]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-381

It was that one

[long mauve]

8 months, couple months, same difference

[steep spindle]

Wow

It's been that long

[long mauve]

yeah..

I feel old

[steep spindle]

[pseudo echo]

oh lord...

just looking ahead in the tech tree

i might need to set up clustorio servers using the 3 old laptops ive inherited over the course of a while...

[spark idol]

Science is on the rails now

1k is gonna be the death of me

[mossy saddle]

xD it's very painfull at certain times

[spark idol]

I have to start on oil

Debating making a new mall that is closer to the rails

My current mall is a decent walk from the nearest rail

But malls are a lot of work to build and I’m lazy

[pseudo echo]

just branch a bit of rail to the mall

[spark idol]

No space

[steep spindle]

There is always space

[spark idol]

There is space for a new mall

I’m not gonna deconstruct my starter base cause it would take too long

[vagrant anchor]

you should leave it anyways until way later in case you need more resources from there

you can try making a wagon mall

they are really good for x1k runs since you can just keep stamping down more

[spark idol]

I’m already using all the resources from the starter base on my rails

It’s just junk now and it’s space I want to eventually fill with a power plant and blue circuits

[vagrant anchor]

well then wait for bots, and drain the base fully of stuff before deconstructing

[spark idol]

Is productivity worth it

Between productivity and building more factory

[vagrant anchor]

yes if you expand the higher level products a bit more (which is a lot easier to do)

[steep spindle]

Productivity is 100% worth

[steep spindle]

Make your starter if you did a bus or something, convert it into a mall. That's what I did

[obtuse blaze]

fast inserters in about 10 mins and i'll start building my real starter base

gonna do main bus or smth

[spark idol]

My starter has a bunch of smelters that I don’t use anymore

[steep spindle]

I repurposed mine into the mall

It went from those to, to the central mall

[elder rover]

Is there any way to disable biters in a current game? Even with a mod.

Haven't touched my 1k save in ages. Wanted to continue with it but without biters.

[umbral wedge]

https://wiki.factorio.com/Console#Kill_all_enemies

[elder rover]

That wont effect the newly spawned bases as i travel will it

[umbral wedge]

that section also links to a "disable further biter generation" command

[elder rover]

thanks

Hmm, i forgot peaceful mode exists, I may just enable that

PEaceful mode makes it so individual biters only attack if hit right?

[umbral wedge]

yeah

wait actually no

they still aggro by proxy, but that's a minor problem

[elder rover]

yeah, i have some stuff and mods for fighting them, i just felt like i wanted to actualy finish a 1kx game and ive failed like 4 times, 3 related to biters lol

and i didnt want to start over

Pretty colors.

Seems I had jsut setup green science

20 hours in lol

red science is... interesting

[zinc creek]

@elder rover you can do /editor then click surfaces then click edit map settings

then just disable biters and all new chunks will not spawn biters

[zinc creek]

alternatively use mod : https://mods.factorio.com/mod/ChangeMapSettings and turn off biters in map settings

2nd method only uses a mod so you can still get achievements

[mossy saddle]

the snake lines xd

[vagrant anchor]

7.2k spm?

That is a crazy amount for early game 1000x lol

[mossy saddle]

7.2k might be better with blue belts then yellows 👀

red possible too easily

[elder rover]

no, its like 2.4k per minute

[vagrant anchor]

2 belts of copper per block, 4 blocks, 7.2k right? I might be tripping lol

[elder rover]

İ can check in a second but im very shre its 2.4

Each section does 600spm

though i think they may be off ratio, its been ahwile since i built them or even played

rate calculator says the whole factory is making 2.4k

[elder rover]

1200 green science spm

[pseudo echo]

we be doing a lil' handfed smelting

[vagrant anchor]

Did you hand haul all of that lol

[jovial oriole]

Michael Hendriks hand crafting smelting edition:

[elder rover]

Thats overkill ngl.

You could have automated that way sooner lol

[pseudo echo]

i did need to smelt 3.2 million copper ore in order to the the things to unlock logistics

[elder rover]

automation isnt 1000x

unless you got a mod that makes it so

its 10 red science packs in my game

[pseudo echo]

k2 impossible mode 1000x

mate

[elder rover]

oh i didnt even read that

[pseudo echo]

i mistyped automation with logistics

[elder rover]

welp, i hope you have even distribution

lol

[pseudo echo]

i do

this is what i need to unlock steam power, logistics, and electric miners

[elder rover]

gg

did you start with the car?

[pseudo echo]

yes

[elder rover]

imagine no car 😄

[spark idol]

The wood is the worst

What are you gonna do for all that wood

[pseudo echo]

greenhouses are unaffected by tech cost multi

and its pre-requisites

these techs, as well as bio labs, are not affected by tech cost increases

[steep spindle]

☠️

[mossy saddle]

thank god greenhouses weren't effected else I would've quit lol

[vagrant anchor]

Iirc you start with belts (no undergrounds/splitters) right? Or is that an se thing

[umbral wedge]

that's vanilla

[pseudo echo]

you do, just that there is no use for belts for me

[vagrant anchor]

You have burner inserters right? Like on K2 x1000 expensive recipes I suppose automation would be useful, annoying to build around but it does work

No belt crossing is annoying you'll need to plan beforehand and use a lot of ore patches, you could drive around the map to find a convenient arrangement of ores to build some production

[pseudo echo]

even distribution + inf range is just better overall.

i did use burner inserters for the first techs while i worked on snowballing iron production

[vagrant anchor]

Oh, inf range, nvm then

I still recommend you try to automate it though, it is really fun

[pseudo echo]

its a little late for that, ive got the resources i need, i just need to craft the stuff

and ive got a few hundred assemblers down in a bulk handfed crafter

[mossy saddle]

You can always switch to automation

[pseudo echo]

34... HOURS

[mossy saddle]

nice job congrats!

your ups seems to struggle a lil

[pseudo echo]

my laptop has a stoke whenever i try take a screensnip

mainly because i had another game open, discord, and youtube aswell

[mossy saddle]

ooh alrighty was getting a lil worried ^^

if you want I can show you a more compact design I think for steam power :p

[spark idol]

I put that other stuff on another computer

You can get a raspberry pi to run YouTube decently

[pseudo echo]

sure

[pseudo echo]

by what do you mean "decently"

also

only took 40 hours

[steep spindle]

I like how in 5 minutes you got 10k cards

[pseudo echo]

i have 240 assemblers

that are synced

i just hope the labs are "synced" so that i dont end up with labs that have half completed research and i have to make extra

[pseudo echo]

now i can finally move on to making an actual base

[mossy saddle]

nice job! ^^

I might run into an issue... I've already found the edge of the map

[pseudo echo]

core mining if you havent already

[mossy saddle]

I'll see 👀

first got to look at what I still can grab from patches

[eager jacinth]

would a 10x cost IR3 playthrough be appropriate here?

[long mauve]

Yes! I want to see all the multiplier bases

[eager jacinth]

Well its just a start but its already a bit nutty compared to my previous IR3 saves

each of those labs and assemblers represents about 80 copper each

[eager jacinth]

finally got iron analysis going, so in about an hour I'll be able to get electric machines

[spark idol]

An hour? Is it only like x10?

[eager jacinth]

Yea. 10x is actually a preset for IR3

And each research gives like 1 or 2 distinct buildings. So for example electric furnaces, mining drills, assemblers, etc are all different techs that now cost 1000-1500 packs each

And for upgraded buildings the cost is up to 10,000 packs each

Another example is that electricity, green circuits/computers, and electric motors are different techs

The same preset also makes resources less frequent, meaning I’ll need to be more aggressive with my mining expansions

[mossy saddle]

Everything is allowed here always love seeing new people trying the craziness! ^^

[steep spindle]

Bring the heat!

Man I love it when everyone attempts multipliers and shows it

[eager jacinth]

computer production and automated iron beam delivery for iron analysis

And I nearly have all the tech needed to electrify my factory, just the electric labs need to be researched

luckily blue science doesn't take any oil, but it does take lots of steel meaning I need to effectively double my iron output, and I'll probably be quadrupling it to make research go faster

even though recycling is a thing I didn't want to ramp up research (and thus make more steam machines) until I at least had electricity

[eager jacinth]

Fully electrified my iron production including a mall to get me inserters and large frames along with other intermediates

[pseudo echo]

47 hours in: first automated iron plates

[eager jacinth]

my starting coal deposit ran out before I could electrify the rest of my production

[mossy saddle]

ouch time to setup a new area!

[mossy saddle]

finally!

[steep spindle]

GO

[pseudo echo]

nicely done

[eager jacinth]

up to 2.4 science/s and almost done dismantling my old base

Though i might need to double my production rate yet again now that each tech is costing a minumum of 2000 analysis packs

and the cheapest blue science is 2500

[mossy saddle]

it's better to have a bigger production sii

nice job doing great

[eager jacinth]

steel smelting and analysis is online

And it turns out I've been moving just slow enough to not need to increase SPM

also 108MW of coal power, which I know isnt much for this channel but this is probably the most coal generation I've ever had to make. I usually dont even make a full 1-20-40 stack before I replace it with solar or a nuclear reactor

[mossy saddle]

It'll increase drastically soon 👀

Unless you go to solar

[eager jacinth]

I’ll probably go solar so I don’t have to worry about fuel

[modern citrus]

if a lot of oil could just go solid fuel and not worry about fuel anymore either 🙂

[eager jacinth]

Solid fuel doesn’t exist in IR3

There are liquid burning generators but they can’t even accept light oil, only petrol and natural gas (and ethanol and high-octane fuel but those come from the other two fluids)

I guess if I’m already planning on making this an airship base and I have no biters I could go crazy with farming trees for ethanol for the lols

Though a full chunk of tree growth only offers something like 417kW of ethanol power and that’s before the energy cost of any of the machines

And after the machine energy costs I’m looking at 300kW per chunk, or 6 solar panels of power

That’s 19x less space efficient

At least it would also give me a use for all my sour gas in the form of the sulfuric acid needed to turn wood into ethanol

100MW of ethanol is only 50 acid a second which in IR3 is only 2.5 sulfur

Like the airships I might just do this for the vibe; having massive swaths of forest dedicated to powering my base, like the bean farming in dosh’s seablock base

And funnily enough airships could make it easier since I could grab the wood from remote sections of forest with them rather than long stretches of yellow belts

[mossy saddle]

I'd go solar too so much easier imo

I was spending 15.5k coal/ min over a time span of 100h (when I only had 80h ingame) since i have solar it should've lowered 75% normally

only my trains and furnaces eat it now

[vagrant anchor]

Ups could become an issue, though having a forest powered megabase is really cool as well

[mossy saddle]

are you still doing k2SE x1k :p?

[eager jacinth]

Upon further analysis id need a 15x16 chunk area of forest to just reach 100MW, not including the few MW needed to run the wood crushing and chemical plants.

Perfectly dense solar panels would take up approximately a 4x4 chunk area, so it’s about as bad as I expected

But if it’s not a UPS issue I might still go for it, at least for now.

[vagrant anchor]

It's on hold right now, I'm gonna make a mod soon(TM) to be able to sort of "compile" production lines into something not too janky but ups efficient

[eager jacinth]

Just filling in the margins between the tree plots with solar gives more power than the wood does

And when I mean the margins I mean literally 6-8 solar panels per chunk

[mossy saddle]

solar is pretty nice also good for UPS lol

[eager jacinth]

But where’s the fun in doing solar when you can already do that in vanilla? /j

[mossy saddle]

playing at 2UPS isn't fun either xD

[pseudo echo]

that should be enough belt production

[steep spindle]

You change your name again

[mossy saddle]

I did?

I didn't even know what and where

[eager jacinth]

I guess I could go with both solar and ethanol. 25MW of continuous ethanol production would allow for 104MW of capacity at night with solar during the day

[eager jacinth]

turns out my starter stone deposit completely ran out on me

[eager jacinth]

and so begins the forestation

[mossy saddle]

I hope you got some nades

[eager jacinth]

I turned off military research entirely lol

it even removes the research for the car which sucks

but the bots make easy work of clearing the trees I dont need

[eager jacinth]

we meet again my love

(still need 7000 packs to research the depots, and need to make platinum to actually make H2 to craft them)

Im also up to 40 forestries now, which is almost 16MW of ethanol power

[steep spindle]

good luck!

[spark idol]

Ethanol power is not economical but I guess it does make sense for the multiplier

[eager jacinth]

It doesn’t make sense for that either. Really I’m just doing it because it’s a new thing and I’m curious how far I can push it

Same reason I plan on using airships instead of trains for bulk item transport

If anything it makes less sense here because of how much more power I need for the larger base

[pseudo echo]

that is really annoying

didnt even realize they were locked behind singulatirity tech cards and are thus effectively worthless to me

[pseudo echo]

im nearly ready to start getting somewhere, just waiting on steam engines to craft. im aiming for 600 ish MW for the proper start

just gotta put glass and wood on the bus and finish a few more machines, then i can work on science

[steep spindle]

I've contemplated either continuing my x1k base or starting a different challenge, after 10m more chips

[eager jacinth]

my current tree plot design sucks to navigate since I insisted on placing all the infrastructure along the brick paths where I'd prefer to drive, so I'm working on a second design

this one also allows for the pollution from the petrol generators to be completely absorbed at their source rather than having a central power plant to have it pool up around

and now the solar panels are in there too

now it should be sufficiently stupid

[long mauve]

It’s hard but I recommend getting the rest of the tech if you haven’t and make a 10k spm base

[steep spindle]

There are still a couple techs remaining are you saying that just to prepare for 2.0's endeavor?

I do wonder how complicated rearranging all the trains would be because I don't think changing the train names would be complicated

[long mauve]

No just something to do before 2.0 releases

[steep spindle]

True

[steep spindle]

Train station made

[long mauve]

More!!

[steep spindle]

Bro, this world is teaching a LOT

[eager jacinth]

turns out airships are also good as scouts since they have a small radar coverage like spidertrons

and even though they technically can run out of fuel 30 petroleum barrels can last like 4 hours

also made a smelting block that can be handled entirely by airships, including water delivery for washing and gunk disposal

[long mauve]

What have you learned?

[long mauve]

Airships sound really cool! Are they like bots where they make their path or trains with a set path

[steep spindle]

train wise with BP's and rails that I wish I knew in the x1k

[long mauve]

oh thats cool

Take it another level, do onsite smelting and use a mall train

[steep spindle]

🙂

and I took the less ore patches to another level

lol

[long mauve]

What ore settings is that?

[steep spindle]

eNpjZGBkyGUAgtWrtOxAmIMlOT8xByhgz8BwwAGEuZLzCwpSi3Tz
i1KRhTmTi0pTUnXzM1EVp+al5lbqJiUWAxU32DOAQYM9R2ZRfh66Caz
FJfl5qCIlRampxRCNEMxdWpSYl1mai66XgfHpHYttDS1yDCD8v55B4f
9/EAayHgDVgTADYwPYFEagGAywJudkpqUxMCg4ArETWBEDY7XIOveHV
VPsGSFq9BygjA9QkQNJMBFPGMPPAaeUCoxhgmSOMRh8RmJALC0BWgFV
xeGAYEAkW8CSjL1vty74fuyAHeOflR8v+SYl2DMauoq8+2C0zg4oyQ7
yAhOcmDUTBHbCvMIAM/OBPVTqpj3j2TMg8MaekRWkQwREOFgAiQPezA
yMAnxA1oIeIKEgwwBzmh3MGBEHxjQw+AbzyWMY47I9uj+AAWEDMlwOR
JwAEWAL4S5jhDAd+h0YHeRhspIIJUD9RgzIbkhB+PAkzNrDSPajOQQz
IpD9gSai4oAlGrhAFqbAiRfMcNcAw/MCO4znMN+BkRnEAKn6AhSD8EA
yMKMgtIADOLiZGRDggz3Dv70rTgMAXKCj+w==<<<

thats the map string

[long mauve]

ill have to check that later

[steep spindle]

I can check it in a minute here

about to bed

[long mauve]

just wondering cause the patches are so small and spread out, I usualyl do less frequency and mroe size

[steep spindle]

@long mauve ^

Finding more water also just became an issue

[long mauve]

oh im blind it is max size lol

[steep spindle]

I turned frequency down a ton because I wanted a rail base experience

[long mauve]

yeah thats how I like it

[eager jacinth]

Trains with a set path. But you don’t need any kind of rail item for them like the cargo ships mod for example

Internally I imagine they’re considered the same prototype as a spidertron, with the automated pathing being a result of scripting magic

[vagrant anchor]

You launched a rocket?

[steep spindle]

Yeah quite a few

[steep spindle]

Just used nilaus's science bps that are 60/m while or 75/m while

[steep spindle]

Gonna make my own soon, but because x1k for me is the new x1 it just feels off to make small bps now lol

[mossy saddle]

someone showed me an easy design you can basically copy paste for the early stages till chem science

I'll never forget it since I can't build small anymore too

[steep spindle]

I have a 1800/m and build, but contemplated making them together

There just needs to be a faster way to kickstart it

[mossy saddle]

isnt 1.8k/m more then enough in standard game?

[slim kelp]

still at it gg ?

actually, I don't know what "it" is, since I've been out of the loop for months

[steep spindle]

That is yeah, but just getting logistics to slam the rest of it

I feel like the faster you can get logistics the faster the game can go

[steep spindle]

Never stopped it just getting my last achievement for steam then headed back to it

I contemplated doing a 2k/m build

But before beacons it's obnoxiously big

@slim kelp you doing anything before 2.0?

[vagrant anchor]

Crazy man, congrats

[steep spindle]

Were you talking about the x1k base or the base I'm currently running?

[long mauve]

I did whatever science is 1 belt of iron and copied that a lot

Iron not science

One belt of iron to make red and greeen

[steep spindle]

with all of these set to the same train name, and limit of 1 do I just need to add more trains for them to switch stations?

[long mauve]

Yeah

If it’s static limit 1 for every station you want an equal amount of trains as there is stations

[steep spindle]

Ahh

If you don't train limit it will they flip between stations?

It always seems to go to the closest one

[long mauve]

They will all go to the closest I think

[steep spindle]

So I need circuit magic got it

Good thing I know how to do that

[long mauve]

I was just about to pull up the train limit thingy

[steep spindle]

+FAQ train limit

[tepid axle]

Trainlimit

Train Limits limit how many trains go to a train stop at any time. Each train driving to or waiting at a stop will take up a slot in the stop's limit, and is guaranteed to have a valid destination even if the limit is lowered. If all slots for the next destination's stops in a train's schedule are full, the train will not leave its current stop until a slot becomes available. (This is in contrast to destinations with entirely disabled stops, which will be skipped instead.)

Train Limits are unique to each train stop and can be set either manually in the train stop UI, or automatically by the circuit network. Multiple stops with the same name may be set with different Train Limits, controlling how many trains may go to each stop. Trains will drive to the "closest" stop with an available slot.

Train Limits can be used to request trains by use of a circuit network. A simple setup uses a decider combinator to output L = 1 when the amount of items at the station goes above or below a certain threshold; multiple of these can be used in parallel to get higher limits. A more advanced system allowing any Train Limit with three combinators can be found [here.](#train-help message)

[long mauve]

Yup

[steep spindle]

Yeah that bottom paragraph

[long mauve]

The simple version in that last paragraph is all you need

And it’s “closest” which means it involves the train penalties which get complicated and you don’t need to go into that

[steep spindle]

I don't think that will matter to much

[long mauve]

It won’t matter much no

[steep spindle]

Just using this base to learn trains better and it's fun

Gonna try an onsite smelter next

We are just setting up the internal 75/m base so we can make the train base while the internal one researchs science

[wraith pagoda]

for those a few hours ago . what 1.4gw of steam looks like

[mossy saddle]

looks alot more neat then what I had lol

[wraith pagoda]

shower thought , what will a legendary steam turbine do ? more power at same consumption ?

*engine

anyone else played with the janky quality mod . i know its not overly relevant , but if you got experience in these high sci your gonna love quality in the spage age

[mossy saddle]

hmmm I think more power for the same consumption

[spark idol]

They’ve kept it ambiguous

[blissful abyss]

From the FFF:

Nuclear reactors, boilers and steam engines have increased production.

[mossy saddle]

but I think most will use solar instead of making loads of steam turbines

[spark idol]

nobody can know what the hell that means lol

Increased production

I would assume it’s same consumption

[blissful abyss]

What I assumed is faster conversion of steam to power i.e. more consumption

With the new fluid system, it's not a problem like we originally thought

[wraith pagoda]

well i was thinking of doing the design above with 30 boilers , well making 2 yellow lanes of coal to 30:60 as one lane of coal can feed 30 boilers then sharing the pump with the next tile

[blissful abyss]

With the same quality boilers and engine, you'll have the same ratios as vanilla, but better production

Luckily, you can mix and match here. Nuclear reactors unfortunately don't give correct neighbor bonuses in JQ

[wraith pagoda]

was gonna say hey your the person who made janky quality , we spoke before , nice mod dude

one problem i have plastic doesn't return coal , ill post it on the forum , no biggie ! , have you played the mod much @blissful abyss , its crazy the amount of resrouces needed hey

[blissful abyss]

It's not a bug. Chemical and smelting recipes usually recycle into themselves

If anything, the bug is that don't recycle into ingredients, which we know Spage does

[wraith pagoda]

ahh thanks for the info bud

[blissful abyss]

Also, JQ allows recycling science packs, which was also said to be not available in spage

[wraith pagoda]

but i belive , its believed to be that they can have quality the result being they will last longer in the lab

hey @blissful abyss me playing with your mod , " adding quality to basically everything " as a by product taking to the first 4 lanes on the buss

was seeing how effective it would be it might be in space age

[steep spindle]

The stuff in 2.0 is leaking in all the channels. Quick run!!!!

[wraith pagoda]

sorry your right!

[steep spindle]

I legit haven't looked much up, it's ok I'll prolly have forgotten by the time it comes out

Tried to make it funny, because I wasn't insanely mad about it

[wraith pagoda]

no but your right this is not the correct channel

[steep spindle]

It's ok 😂

[wraith pagoda]

was just pointing out that us guys on multiple X sci runs are going to be more prepared for space age

[steep spindle]

If your are doing a high multiplier it's fine

[steep spindle]

Oh 100%

[wraith pagoda]

i saw soul burn and shot my shot!

the red chip "block" is what i used on my 10x run , red belt of red cicuits

[steep spindle]

It's gone change ratios like mad, just like mining prod level 20 only takes 30 electric miners to fill a blue belt

You somehow drop 60 miners with 20 prod levels lol

[hasty panther]

I really should invest in more mining prod

I only have 110% right now

[long mauve]

Each level of infinite mining prod requires the same amount of ore in the ground to be mined so it’s a great investment. Doesn’t really cost more over time

[hasty panther]

heh neat

just costs more and more time

especially with only ~200spm

[steep spindle]

Train mining starts being good at 100 prod mining?

[wraith pagoda]

well you it can be good at 30 but then you need to add speed modules and beacons

[long mauve]

It depends

I’d say it’s good whenever you are not limited by ore throughout but instead by UPS or some other limit

[steep spindle]

I mean UPS isn't really an issue and I wondered when the best time to switch was, ore throughput seems based on speed on train

[long mauve]

Ore throughput meaning are you grabbing more ore than you need out of the ground

[steep spindle]

That x1k base 100% is doing that

[long mauve]

then I think itd benefit you UPS wise, and setup wise because its easier to setup

[steep spindle]

Or at least try it

[long mauve]

yeah it doesnt hurt to try when your not doing DI mining anyway

oops

im distracted, i meant it doesnt hurt when your not doing onsite smelting anyway

[steep spindle]

Contemplating both haha

[long mauve]

Id do onsite smelting before DI mining

[steep spindle]

@frosty coral and I will definitely keep that in mind

[long mauve]

ill give you guys some reasons why I think this then..

1. It reduces train traffic. You don't move ore at all, which is the least dense train.
2. It has some benefit for UPS. Its better than smelting in a general location but not as good as some DI mining can be.
3. You get more ore per patch out per unit of time so you have to grab less patches

4. you mine the entire patch at once with onsite smelting, no moving of mines if you want to mine the entire thing. If you use DI mining, you need to move the stations or accept you arent mining all the ore

[steep spindle]

🤔

[vagrant anchor]

x1K

[steep spindle]

Oh, no I only fired the one lol

[mossy saddle]

I have limited space sadly

due to the se world restrictions

[vagrant anchor]

Did you make nauvis 10k size

[mossy saddle]

I'm not sure it's standard k2se settings or double size I've already found my borders without sats

[vagrant anchor]

It's probably standard, double size is a hugee nauvis I doubt that you will have already gotten there

[mossy saddle]

There should be an image somewhere in this chat I'll search when I'm back at my PC

[long mauve]

hopefully this is enough solar

[slim kelp]

I haven't played in a good while. Actually, I haven't played much in general in the last month, due to a tragic event in rl... reality is the worst game of them all. Every player has just one life and doesn't respawn after biters get them... 😭

[long mauve]

im sorry that sucks :(

[slim kelp]

yeah, my mother's factory was overrun, she fought as hard as she could but defenses were breached everywhere... by the worst kind of biters, the cancerous ones. She ran out of ammo, but kept whacking with the pickaxe until the last pixel on the health bar. They were unfortunately too many.

[steep spindle]

Fireball #vanilla-chat message thoughts?

[long mauve]

no

I would rather go through real life torture camps than play that torture

[steep spindle]

Hmmmm makes sense

[mossy saddle]

scared

[long mauve]

this game is fun.. 1 second I have +2 million green cirucits. Next i'm panicking because I somehow need 2 million??

[mossy saddle]

where did the last 2m go?

you keep losing things fire!

[long mauve]

I have no idea lol

The trains are stealing them for themselves!

[mossy saddle]

you have nu luck at all fire last time I saw you searching for steel!

half a mill atleast lol

[long mauve]

Well as you can see I have fixed that problem

[mossy saddle]

does cybersyn just request it per minute or is it more 'total' at the time?

[long mauve]

the problem with this chart is that its great, it shows what I need. But it's total amount requested, nothing about time is shown. so I just see a big negative number and im scared, but if I just get a tiny bit more production that number slowly goes down over time

standard argument of buffer vs production speed

[mossy saddle]

total for what 👀

like for what does it calculate

[long mauve]

Total amount requested, the reds on the left

its just what I put in combinators in front of stations

[mossy saddle]

ooh so it's what you'd love to have at that time

[long mauve]

yeah. this guy wants 21K more steel, and the other number is just the amount a train carries. The chart adds it all up for me

you know what steel and circuits have in common? solar, and im placing a lot of it. Thats why im missing a lot of them I bet. Im nearing a million panels

[steep spindle]

When I go to modded I definitely think I'm going to try that mod out, assuming it ports over to 2.0 well

[long mauve]

I wouldnt

There's a new way of doing this in vanilla I think

obviously i havent played around with it but it looks promising

[steep spindle]

🧐🤔

[long mauve]

lookup train interrupts

[steep spindle]

If it's a 2.0 feature, that sounds fun

But I'll get that WoW 😨 moment when I cross it 😁

[long mauve]

fair enough haha, thats why I didnt spoil what it was

[mossy saddle]

@steep spindle no x1k we can do progressive multiplier tho

they suggest it

[steep spindle]

Who suggested it?

[mossy saddle]

the pyanodons discord xD

I came and asked how long would it roughly take to do py x1k

[long mauve]

I think its a good idea for what its worth as well, but ive never played pY

[steep spindle]

I see that 🧐. Hmmmm maybe

[mossy saddle]

I only did the beginning of py

[steep spindle]

No one has done that to my knowledge

[mossy saddle]

there's one with x10 and one progressive that is at x78 now

[steep spindle]

I'm finishing the last of this achievement first tho

[mossy saddle]

good luck! ^^

[long mauve]

I just checked, I make that in an hour now lol

and its still not enough, im consuming 300K more than im producing

Wait this is actually good

[steep spindle]

this isn't being consumed at all, but I'm not taking the "just chest it" approac

[long mauve]

I now know how LITTLE more belts I need. 101K/m prod vs 105K consumption meaning I only need 2 belts. so this 8 belt array im making isnt bad

anyway, yeah just throwing it in chests is great for what your doing

[mossy saddle]

show me your world fire 👀

you're using trains right

[long mauve]

yeah 145 trains heh

im in that very southeast corner getting 8 more belts of greens

at this point I have 2 building trains, and then solar trains

they all are travelling up to 8km to get to their destinations so thats why I need so many

[mossy saddle]

xD is your plan to just pave the world with them or is it still for spm

[long mauve]

It's still for science. i have the builds placed for 10K spm of everything but space, so im working thru the rest of teh tech tree. Science is very slow because im always missing a million of some random intermediate lol

[mossy saddle]

beautiful

sushi

love it!

[long mauve]

thank you :D

[mossy saddle]

my belts are sushi definitly when I use certain type of belt structures xD

[eager jacinth]

my base is officially 100% powered by solar and trees*

*and a bit of methane due to being a byproduct of oil processing

only took 34 hours to get here

and I'm only gonna need more power, so im not even deconstructing my coal power plant yet

[pseudo echo]

k2Im 1000x is coming along slowly. i'll have 600 MW of coal power up later today then i can get to work on science

[vagrant anchor]

You're doing 100x? That's pretty damn fast

[eager jacinth]

only 10x

but its IR3 so there's a lot more tech to chew through

every step of oil cracking is a separate technology

[zinc creek]

I do 2x this per second, i just put it in a trash can from a mod lol

[vagrant anchor]

Ah ic, i remember trying x1k IR3 it took like 100 hrs or smth to get to bronze forestries lol ☠️

[steep spindle]

I would, but wanted to do it legit base style. If the expansion gets close I might do that

[pseudo echo]

power be powering

all that pollution was just to fill the steam buffers

[eager jacinth]

Yea there’s no way I’d do x1k science even in the base game. Even 100x is beyond my interests

The funny thing is that it kinda feels like satisfactory now, in the sense that I have a continuous resource drain and can just move at my own pace rather than worrying about running out of research before I set up the next science pack

Even after probably a dozens hours setting up that ethanol power and the airship-supplied smelting blocks I still have a while to go before worrying about chrome analysis packs

[steep spindle]

I've contemplated IR3 x1k

But Warcraft has sucked me back in

[eager jacinth]

With larger resource patches it’s probably reasonable. But the mod preset that offers 10x research actually makes deposits less frequent and rich

Also military sucks in the mod for the sole reason that magazine weapons shoots physical projectile instead of doing instant damage, but still have lock-on aiming. So your shots trail behind like with flamethrower turrets do if biters are moving even slightly sideways

I think my only other major complaint is how deep in the tech tree nuclear power is

[quiet sandal]

This… is way more than one pump can handle

Especially with the fluid throughput decreasing

[pseudo echo]

k2 lowers the water consumption of boilers to 20/s

x 60 boilers per stack = 1200/s

[long mauve]

unlimited refining!

Im low on everything oil related so i decided to triple my refining and hope its good enough for 10K spm. now time to 12 beacon every pumpjack to not run out of crude

heres the entire base