High Science Multiplier

[blissful abyss]

You can decide the degrees. I like doing 30 or 45

[jovial oriole]

I see

That is a Qol I'll need

[blissful abyss]

And it only snaps when you stop turning

[jovial oriole]

Well, in the future after all

Will use it for 1000x

[blissful abyss]

And it does it gradually

It feels very nice

[jovial oriole]

I think 1° will be the best for me

This will give me more than enough accuracy

[blissful abyss]

1 deg is too little, trust me

even 10 is low

[jovial oriole]

Nah, I am quite precise with inputs. 1° will suffice

[blissful abyss]

At that level, how is it different than not having the mod

[jovial oriole]

If it is too low, I'd be questioning my reaction time & precision from countless hours of Celeste grinding

[jovial oriole]

Well, the car does not at all rotate snap by whole degrees at all

[blissful abyss]

How do you notice single degrees out of 360?

[jovial oriole]

So getting it to snap to perfect 90° does take me sometimes up to 2 minutes

[jovial oriole]

Well, it is different, not visually, but when driving even for a few tiles, you'll notice the drift instantaneously

I usually change my direction whilst driving, so I should be able todo it

[candid shadow]

Just do tech mode Angel’s without Bob’s

[candid shadow]

gambit time

[inland kelp]

👀

This is making me want to play multiplier with biters

[slim kelp]

what's this ?

[slender wind]

Are you playing with mods?

[jovial oriole]

Looks kinda like a biter mod, maybe elemental biters?

[slim kelp]

obviously... but I'm asking what mod is that ?

[slender wind]

Well that'd depend on what mods are in your mod list

There should be a setting somewhere that shows you the mod path as well, when you mouse over it. Don't remember what it's called though

[slim kelp]

did you notice the picture above posted by Max?

[slender wind]

I did not, actually. I assumed it was your playthrough

[slim kelp]

one would think I know what mods I'm playing if it was my playthrough... 😐

[slender wind]

He's got snappers from the Armoured Biters mod, maybe it's from that? I'm not super familiar with it

[slim kelp]

Unfortunately not, I know that one, and doesn't have acid-looking nests, it's something else

anyway, @candid shadow when you come back... tnx.

[inland kelp]

Looks like a booger 👀 You should shoot it (jk i have no idea)

[candid shadow]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Explosive_biters

I have all the MFerrari biters types mods on that save

[slim kelp]

thanks !

[candid shadow]

They’re extremely good at tearing down defenses unfortunately

[slim kelp]

I love mods that add fresh new graphics which aren't some reuse/recolor of existing ones

[slim kelp]

if gun doesn't solve the problem, add more gun !

aka, if these prove to be too much of a challenge, I'll change my high caliber guns mod to have even higher caliber guns :D

tank cannon turret, enhanced long range tank cannon (aka, railgun) turret (unfortunately these can't be behind walls)

[mossy saddle]

it has happend my first UPS drops

[jovial oriole]

Can you show general stats, size of base and so on?

Also seeing taskmanager & knowing your CPU's and GPU's perfomance view in taksmanager would be cool to know, I might be able to roughly calculate when that would apply to me

[safe coral]

UPS drops arent tied to GPU at all, that would be FPS drops

[mossy saddle]

t were the biters

it

I deleted them all and suddenly back to a steady 60

all the purple is the biters that have been deleted

[jovial oriole]

I see, okay

[mossy saddle]

was able to half the RAM factorio used by just getting rid of them

so you won't hear me complain

[safe coral]

send help

[spark idol]

Is it a randomizer

[safe coral]

yeah

iron costs were bs so started over with another seed

[marble stream]

Is it x1000?

[safe coral]

it scales up to more than that

using a mod I made instead of omniresearch or w/e it was called

[mossy saddle]

does it go upto 5m :P?

[vagrant anchor]

On like the best CPU for factorio? Damn.

If ur running windows you can try dualbooting Linux (even just smth like mint) to run factorio it should be a lot more performant

Also, how's your progress? Haven't checked in here for a long while lol

Am sadly kinda moving away from factorio to other projects

Also damn the newest fff is pretty cool

[slender wind]

I thought Wube dropped Linux support a while back? Like somewhere around 0.16 or .17

[mossy saddle]

The issue was the million biters that I kept scouting with radars

[slender wind]

That just means it's time to go on a crusade

[vagrant anchor]

They did?

[vagrant anchor]

Ah

[mossy saddle]

hows your run going frogggy ^^

[vagrant anchor]

Haven't opened it for like 2 months

Haven't even opened factorio for like 2 months

More like 1.5 months ig

Really busy recently with my own projects

[mossy saddle]

I recently started again im at blue

[vagrant anchor]

https://www.factorio.com/download
Also there seems to be a Linux version

[vagrant anchor]

Oh damn, nice

I remember when I left off I was at like end of blue ish

I might try using some free cloud compute to run factorio and stream it to my laptop if I ever get back into factorio

Would allow for way bigger factories especially with clusterio, those cpus are incredibly beefy

What science route r u planning btw?

Prod first right?

Then utility - E3(?)

Or was it E2 for wabs

[mossy saddle]

'll go prod then energy maybe

[vagrant anchor]

R u skipping util

[mossy saddle]

is util very handy?

[vagrant anchor]

It might even be a prereq for energy

Util gives logi bot chests

Which is very handy for mall systems

Other than that it's quite useless

I really recommend u set up fully automatic mall supply when you get there btw

[mossy saddle]

so I just got to do util till logi bots

[vagrant anchor]

Do prod first for beacons

Bootstrap something like 1k vulc/s shld be enuf I think

Don't rly remember clearly

Then util for bots set up a mall system that you can just slap down a new bp set some combinators and get a planet constantly automatically stocked

[strange helm]

Word of warning, those CPUs are big but shit at factorio. They lack everything factorio wants, namely memory latency, uncontested cache and clockspeed.

[vagrant anchor]

You just build BP it'll get built eventually

[strange helm]

Most laptops will run circles around them, the only advantage of server grade hardware for factorio is price

[mossy saddle]

I've got 20hrs to design blue science bp rn

[vagrant anchor]

Clock speed is similar to consumer GPUs (like 3-4GHz), cache is massive, latency I'm not sure

But considering it's for heavy ml workloads which would benefit a lot with low latency I would assume it's not that bad

[strange helm]

What can I say, benchmarks don't lie :/

ml doesn't care about latency, only bandwidth.

[vagrant anchor]

Can u send me the link to the benchmarks

[vagrant anchor]

It kinda does

[vagrant anchor]

There's ways to get around it for training but for inference latency is quite needed

[vagrant anchor]

That is like quite a lot worse than what I have access to lol

Also what is it comparing to

And what does total ups mean? Running multiple instances?

[strange helm]

Multiple instances yes

Pretty sure its UPS on flamesla 10x 1k

[vagrant anchor]

Oh damn

[strange helm]

Basically, to run a single instance as fast as possible you want a low latency consumer CPU - 5800x3d or 7800x3d. If you forgo the x3d part then any consumer CPU will do, higher single core performance = better. Most important is low latency memory.

To run many instances at good speed for low cost bought new hardware you want multiple 4-8 core cheap new CPUs, something like 12100F

This is the best factorio benchmarking resource, but it only has single instance benches no scaling https://factoriobox.1au.us/results/cpus?map=4c5f65003d84370f16d6950f639be1d6f92984f24c0240de6335d3e161705504&vl=1.0.0&vh=

[vagrant anchor]

That Xeon has really shitty cache though so it's kinda expected

[safe coral]

X3D is unreasonably good at it with its massive L3

[jovial oriole]

I think I found my strat for future base clearing without spidertron / artillery

240 laser turrets, compactly placed with all dmg and speed upgrades that one can get with blue science, amasing a total of roughly 120dmg a sec

And a lot of rockets

(Tank sucks btw, too slow, both acceleration wise as well as speed wise with rocket fuel)

[jovial oriole]

As soon as I got some yellow science rolling that can be increased to 317 dmg a sec

I didn't know how strong laser turrets could be

[mossy saddle]

they're very strong but watch out still xd

[jovial oriole]

I will have to watch out less than with flamethrowers

They'd just kill me in seconds

Laser turrets at least can't harm me

The spitters though

They are the real danger

So I'm thinking of a 6 shield setup to deal with the dmg from acid temporarly, so I got time to react

[jovial oriole]

Idk why I haven't had that Idea earlier, but having two power armors is so genious

Even though it sucks waiting to get the bot power armor to 100% power

[long mauve]

is this relevant to high science multiplier games?

oh you are playing a 100x deathworld it is

[jovial oriole]

It increases my biter clearing speed a lot, allowing me to get more ores more quickly

[jovial oriole]

default*

Deathworld would be insane

[long mauve]

The only problem I see with your plan is getting tech for lasers and especially damage upgrades costs so much

oh okay

[jovial oriole]

I did a 100x default as a beginning for me into high science multi games

[jovial oriole]

I am rn researching the last dmg upgrade I can with blue science

My lasers already do 96dmg a sec

[long mauve]

what evolution are the biters on?

[jovial oriole]

92.6%

[long mauve]

yikes, those behemoths are a pain to kill I bet

[jovial oriole]

The worms are

The rest just get killed easily by the lasers

[long mauve]

thats fair, with enough lasers they can kill any amount of bugs

[long mauve]

thats a lot of lasers!

[jovial oriole]

I wish I could triple that and maybe even use them on attack, but I don't have enough power for that

Only being able to provide 700mw stable power with solar

[long mauve]

how much power are the lasers eating? the passive draw must be crazy

[jovial oriole]

The passiv draw is 5.8MW

The active draw goes up to 552MW

But usually stays at around 180MW

[long mauve]

thats less than I was expecting for the passive draw honestly. hopefully you dont get huge attacks at the end of the night when accumulators get low

[jovial oriole]

Nah, even then, I got a total of 51GJ of accumulator charge

Also I am using it as an "outpost"

Basically

I build that small array up in an area with a lot of nest

Then put on my triple exoskeleton power armor

And use rocket launchers to kill a lot of nests asap and returning once in a while to clear the biters hunting me

I find it funny how everything besides behemoths just instantly die, the frame they enter the kill zone

[long mauve]

rocket launchers are really nice! I like using them. It would be kinda cool if they could be used defensively

[jovial oriole]

This strat really is WAY better than flamethrowers

[long mauve]

oh I should ask, why no flamers on defense?

[jovial oriole]

Attack*

I use em on defence

The message above just got send at a bad timing

It was supposed to be with my attack plan messages

But somehow ended up below yours

Talking about defence

I ran out of rockets

Now I got to go back 3k tiles . . .

[marble stream]

x1000 maraphon anyone?

[jovial oriole]

Maraphon?

You mean marathon?

[spark idol]

Maraphon you have to play the game but with the monitor off and only listen to the sound

[jovial oriole]

Wth

I won't play the game for multiple weeks without video

(Idk why my brain thought sound was video there lol)

[long mauve]

Sounds kind of fun to be honest. Changes the ratios

[slim kelp]

add nyan laser mod to it :)

[jovial oriole]

HAHA

Remind me tomorrow

Won't play anymore today

[tepid axle]

Nyan Laser

nyan nyan nyan nyan pew pew nyan nyan nyan pew pew nyan nyan nyan pew pew nyan nyan

Owner

wavetrex

Downloads

352

[slim kelp]

THICCC LAZORZ

(that's my mod, btw, in case it wasn't obvious)

[mossy saddle]

is maraphon even possible? xD

[spark idol]

Probably

I think it would take 3 times as long

[mossy saddle]

atleast

[jovial oriole]

I bet 100 times, due to way more resets needed

Also, how are you supposed to find oil

Or plan anything

[spark idol]

Oil would be tricky

I guess you could have a blueprint of a matrix of pumpjacks and keep trying to paste it on the map

[jovial oriole]

Even then, how do you defend against biters

Or are biters completely off?

[mossy saddle]

biters are off in x1000 worlds most of the time

I had them and they drop UPS alot

[modern citrus]

Biters, pollution “should” be turned off for x1000 games.

[jovial oriole]

Nah, I take the real challenge of having to deal with them

[mossy saddle]

you wouldn't survive in my world with biters and evo

[jovial oriole]

I survived 100x in a desert world

A 1000x forest world should do the deed

I'll find out, when I attempt it though

[mossy saddle]

sek2

not normal

don't forget that

600 size 200 starting area max spawn rate

[slender wind]

I still think community Bob's Angel's run... because lets face it - we're all masochists here

[mossy saddle]

how many people?

[slender wind]

For the game? Whoever was interested, I suppose.

Masochists? All of us. At least, all of us in this thread...

[mossy saddle]

won't we need a dedicated server

[slender wind]

For that, probably

[mossy saddle]

since there are time zones

I've got a server rack at home xD but I don't think it'll work for factorio

[slender wind]

Hexicube and I are doing a very lightly modded run atm, and I've just been hosting it locally since I'm pretty much always online

So this is a down-the-road idea for sure

[mossy saddle]

hows it going?

I was doing SE with someone but he got rampant and stuff and its snot that good..

[slender wind]

It's going pretty well - red/green/blue science is automated, but among the mods we have is a randomizer mod, so things are... interesting

Nothing like doing 1 craft of underground belts and getting 5 pieces out of it... or underground pipes only giving 1 piece/craft

[mossy saddle]

ooh that underground pipe is deff cursed

[spark idol]

I will join this angels bobs game

[safe coral]

I like how the undergrounds are what ming mentioned and not miners being .15/s or yellow belts being 7/s

[slender wind]

Well slow drills and belts are still functional, they're just weird. 5 underground belts per craft is just painful

Also game's up @safe coral whenever you feel like joining

[safe coral]

might not play today, im messing around with archipelago to see how it works and planning on joining a session

[slender wind]

No problem

[steep spindle]

I'd come play, but still enjoying space exploration

[spark idol]

Do include momotweak

[safe coral]

this is what we're doing for our long-term iron smelting

because of the randomiser mod and when we get T3 modules this T2 building will output a nice clean 80/s red belt

we will need 36 of them

im very much enjoying the packed design though

[mossy saddle]

that's interesting xd

[mossy saddle]

@steep spindle how big was your oil production? 👀 like how many refineries etc..

[steep spindle]

For the x1k base? Or this SE playthrough

[mossy saddle]

x1k base

[steep spindle]

I'll log into tonight and show you 🙂

I'm going to beat SE then be playing on it anyway

[mossy saddle]

thank you! ^^

[steep spindle]

I want to keep playing my x1k world, but I also like the space exploration mod lol

[mossy saddle]

that's why SE x1000 exiists 😛

k2 just makes it a lil more annoying since starter sciences are a bit more difficult to set up

[steep spindle]

Yeah, had I known how to play SE I might have tried that

Just now getting to cargo rockets

[mossy saddle]

xD I don't know how to play it either it's my first run k2SE

furthest I've gone is the first space ship launched with me in

[steep spindle]

thing 1

thing 2

thing 3

thing 4

@mossy saddle

[mossy saddle]

oh alot more then I thought!

I was thinking to myself when I was setting up blue science "damn that's alot of refineries and chem plants"

[steep spindle]

I'm going to do something a bit different next time

[mossy saddle]

all together? or

[steep spindle]

No, but different

[mossy saddle]

this is what I've done can easely double/tripple it still whch I'll deff do XD

bottom gets me enough for 3.6k spm top I'll have to double still

but I'll need more plastic for chips and modules stuff

[elder rover]

I think I will attempt another 1kx run. ITs been a couple months since I played my last one. I'm going to go easy and jsut disable biters this time like a wimp.

I still want to do a ribbonworld though lol

[steep spindle]

Good luck!

[marble stream]

1000х ribbon world?
256 chunks or something?

[modern citrus]

18 tile wide ribbon?

Or 32 to match the width of one chunk?

[elder rover]

i normally did 512 wide, anything lower gets too rough

i tried once before and ran out of stone to make landfill

so i was stuck on my starter continent

which was smoll

[modern citrus]

Mass amounts of landfill can devour several stone patches, yea

[jovial oriole]

Best mod

11/10

[jovial oriole]

This will be a big bp . . .

Only a third finished

[mossy saddle]

what does it make

[jovial oriole]

One belt of yellow science from base ingredients

So I only have to feed it iron, copper, steel, petrolium and so on and it will do the rest

I calculated it to take in roughly 70 belts of iron and copper alone

Just insanity what I did there

/ going to do there rather

[slim kelp]

in a high multiplier game I would definitely go with productivity first, and learn beacons and am3 ... it would make yellows a lot smaller and easier

(and everything else for that matter, since spm should probably be increasaed towards the endgame sciences, as they are very big... 500, 1000...

[jovial oriole]

I mean, I get that, but, I hate beacons

[slim kelp]

🤷‍♂️

[slender wind]

I know it's heresy, but I don't like Prod Mods

They make my ratios wonky

[spice escarp]

@slender wind yo ming

[slender wind]

Whaddup

[spice escarp]

did poe guild get disbanded? i dont see it in discord

[slender wind]

Wdym?

[mossy saddle]

I'd go per belt like 900-1.8k-3.6k

[slim kelp]

I meant the science points needed, rocket is 1000 x whatever multiplier

vs earlier sciences which are 150, 200, 300

[mossy saddle]

oooh

[high oriole]

Early game power

Each block makes about 200MW

[jovial oriole]

Bro plays without biters it seems

[modern citrus]

You have to tone down the biters pretty significantly if playing a tech cost x1k game. No biters is kind of expected in here, I think?

[mossy saddle]

yeah it's expected to do it without biters

10m in x100 is easely 100m at the same science rate

[jovial oriole]

I play with em in 100x, so, well

[elder rover]

ive only ever done attempted 1kx with biters enabled

[high oriole]

Yes I did some 1kx with biters before. It is hard to balance. You end up spending a large time early game just building turret walls and flame walls once you get military science. Then they only become an annoyance when you need to expand.

[mossy saddle]

With Evo?

[slim kelp]

if evo is not slowed down significantly, you lose, plain and simple.

not because they break your factory, but because you can't break them

assaulting nests filled with behemoths with a machine gun and a few grenades simply won't work.

[mossy saddle]

it has happend!

[jovial oriole]

I mean, you only need to destroy the nests . . . .

[slim kelp]

assuming you can even get close enough

[jovial oriole]

Yup

Technically, you could use like 100 turrets as bait with some ammo to get more biters to attack em and then sneak from the side in with a lot of nades and kill like 10 - 20 nests at the cost of your life and all the turrets + ammo

[high oriole]

We turned off the pollution + destroy factor and made time factor 3x I think. With pollution factor default you get behemoth biters in 5-10 hours depending how fast you build. Then with just time factor you get medium biters with logistic science and big biters around chemical science. We did not see when behemoth biters would spawn.

[jovial oriole]

I mean, you could also make sure that pollution cloud doesn't hit any nests at all

[slim kelp]

that unfortunately doesn't work, because every one of them that the turrets kill respawns between the nests, and immediately aggros you

also, without damage bonuses, turrets might not kill behemots at all, like, none, nada, not even one.

[jovial oriole]

The turrets won't kill though, the ammo is for increased aggro

[slim kelp]

might as well take a gun and shoot your CPU. Equally fun 😒

[jovial oriole]

I mean, my CPU is my weakest component being a 10% bottleneck at base capacity, but since it runs at twice base speed wtihout being overclocked, I think I'm good

I'd still shoot it sometimes though

[jovial oriole]

Well, it is looking bigger than anything else lol

[jovial oriole]

Aaaaaaaand . . .finished!

Time to test it, I just hope there ain't any bugs . . .

[jovial oriole]

Testing time

[jovial oriole]

After some bug fixing I can comfortably say, I yield roughly a belt of yellow science with it

That's a lot of stuff

I'll definitely (not) have fun building this in my 100x world and supplying it

[high oriole]

Even if the pollution does not spread you must kill nests to expand. And pollution created is what governs evolution not pollution absorbed. 10 hours in we barely had chemical science let alone chemical and millitary. That means at best you are limited to flamethrowers and rockets. While it is possible to expand with that, it is not fun in my opinion. Maybe with a large number of players to split the workload

[jovial oriole]

Well the same was kind of true for me though and I enjoyed it that way

[steep spindle]

We are in it now

[vagrant anchor]

Damn

[steep spindle]

massive difference is the Frequency is LOWERED

[vagrant anchor]

Expensive 1kx

Good luck GGs!

[steep spindle]

We going 150% on that

need it for the coal and water

[steep spindle]

Thanks, it's also going to be as near 0 afk as possible

[steep spindle]

Well got to making things for 20k logistics

[mossy saddle]

That's the most fun part!

[steep spindle]

Each damn science is 4 iron instead of 2 lol

Or w/e the normal was

[mossy saddle]

So it's x2k theoretically?

[steep spindle]

Possibly

It will be fun

[mossy saddle]

Is your starter area the ores clustered together x-x?

[steep spindle]

That center bullshit? Yes

Gonna be fun tho, re-designing train layout

[mossy saddle]

Will you use the same rails?

[steep spindle]

Noooo

They made me wanna puke

[steep spindle]

I have yet to see a mixed cluster after that tho

[mossy saddle]

I hope you won't find any

[steep spindle]

150-600-600

So I have the ability to not lay crap on ore

[mossy saddle]

Yeah I've had to build over ore allt

[steep spindle]

Yeah, this world I'm attempting not to

In an x1k and expensive recipes settings that's gonna be fun

Space Exploration just wasn't fun after getting the cargo rocket and realizing how much more things I truly needed

[long mauve]

I kind of want to see if default settings but no biters is possible on 1k x

[jovial oriole]

It is

[mossy saddle]

you can try if you want

[mossy saddle]

xD yeah you need loads of stuff

[steep spindle]

Yeah and the expensive recipes of this is even more fun to try

Gonna be building a new rail layout, amd a smelter for early game

[mossy saddle]

xD no way I'll do that with sek2

[marble stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1225177748297748500/IMG_4764.png?ex=66202eb1&is=660db9b1&hm=711ec3ddf31ec5481bf0af3f160a2452728aa23b8fe54764c45b7f9923ff54de&

100x Marathon

[spark idol]

Why does everybody keep posting this

[marble stream]

Because everyone is lazy to scroll three screens up to see the previous posting?

[spark idol]

Is this from Reddit or something

[marble stream]

I took it from the #vanilla-chat

So it's a cyclation

[steep spindle]

Other fun fact about that world, I added jetpack and alien biomes, because the rocks are insanely increased

[steep spindle]

Need all the stone for early game haha, because of the amount of resources required

[mossy saddle]

Yeah jetpacks are mad fun!

[steep spindle]

And instead of companion drones it's nano bots so it at least requires resources

But yeah, this weekend I'll prolly plan on trying to at least get Logistics 1

[mossy saddle]

yeah companian bots are OP

[steep spindle]

@pseudo echo the high multiplier thread 🙂

[pseudo echo]

i forget threads exist

[modern citrus]

Very easy to do so

[pseudo echo]

well, 2k 1000x

starting out RN

im already worried about how my laptop will handle it as 1000x vanilla already tanked it to 120 max UPS

hmmmm... 20k basic tech cards using only wind turbines

sounds like fun

[steep spindle]

Enjoy it

I'm basically playing x2k because expensive recipes is on

[pseudo echo]

at least i get some techs for the default cost

like greenhouse so i dont have to mine 20k wood

[steep spindle]

Nice

All of mine at multiplied

So it's a pain, but it's fun

[pseudo echo]

endgame items use like 200-000x base resources or something?

[pseudo echo]

1k wind turbines

if i want to get a full belt of basic tech cards

yeah, im gonna wait until steam

[steep spindle]

Yeah, might be a good idea

[pseudo echo]

i still need a few hundred turbines anyway

[quiet sandal]

Gonna have to finish my run soon…

I’ve put it off for a while

I’ve heard that 2.0 may be in August, which will break a lot of things so I need to finish it before then

[steep spindle]

I started this to last till August

its cruising

[pseudo echo]

question
how many of you here have actually beaten 1000x?

[quiet sandal]

Working on it

I will though

[pseudo echo]

what tech stage?

[long mauve]

I have

putin, GGs are 2 others I know who have as well

[quiet sandal]

I’ve got blue completed, further expanding to set up yellow and purple

[pseudo echo]

ye

getting there

aight

[quiet sandal]

Probably gonna build military before that though because I’m gonna want power armor mk2

[pseudo echo]

so we have 5 1000x completions going onto 6?

[quiet sandal]

Yeah

[pseudo echo]

oh wow

[steep spindle]

this one is an Expensive recipes, its a hell outlier

[pseudo echo]

a bit higher than i thought

[pseudo echo]

yeah

has anyone done 1000x expensive?

[steep spindle]

not that I know of

[quiet sandal]

I was iirc the second person here to start x1000 but I had put my run on hold for a while so quite a few people passed me

[pseudo echo]

i completed my 1000x run last november

[steep spindle]

it catapulted, when I wanted to try it

and people liked the idea and started trying it

[pseudo echo]

and i began that 1000x several months before

[steep spindle]

noice, discord here wise is what I was reffering too 🙂

[pseudo echo]

like what sort of time did yall begin and end your 1000x runs?

[steep spindle]

I had mine on hold, but it was started in march of last year, finished earlier this year

[pseudo echo]

i averaged 170 hours in 2 weeks during the peak of the run

thats how invested i was

[steep spindle]

this is basically a x2000 run >.<

this weekend I'm going to attempt to get Logistics 1 so I can do my 1800/m build out of the gate

but with the 4I/gear its gonna get saucy

It's gonna be 8 iron and 4 copper lanes at this rate just to get out of

[mossy saddle]

I'm nearly n space

[pseudo echo]

oh wow

GL

[mossy saddle]

time goes by so slowly

[pseudo echo]

you will need several K SPM to beat it in any reasonable amount of time

[steep spindle]

Mine is getting obnoxious 😭

[mossy saddle]

I'm sitting at 3.6kspm

peak is 4.5k xD

[pseudo echo]

that is reasonable

but arent the late game tech several thousand (base) anyway?

[mossy saddle]

max 1h/science atm but you got to remember there are metoers emc....

no lategame k2SE isn't several thousend spm

since it only costs like 10K science max for the final ending

[pseudo echo]

oh

[mossy saddle]

which becomes 10M for me

[pseudo echo]

yeesh

thats... what...

2 days?

[mossy saddle]

crafting in space does get you 10x faster crafting though

I'm not sure haven't reached 10M I'd have beaconed everything up and t9 modules so I can't say sorry

with the beacons and stuff I might be able to get an easy 10k spm

[pseudo echo]

look i think t9 modules will probably be worth it

[steep spindle]

That would be quick

[mossy saddle]

yeah modules are worth it only issue is researching them and putting them inside the assemblers

[steep spindle]

Better than my sorry x2k scenario

[mossy saddle]

right now I'm working on module production ^^

[pseudo echo]

nice

is the run fun so far?

[mossy saddle]

x2k is still a challenge though silly goose

[steep spindle]

True

[pseudo echo]

i think its difficultly is around par with 1000x

[mossy saddle]

the run has been a pain to the point i had to get rid of the biters, the meteors have been hitting everything... the solar thingy spawns inside my smelters so can't be worse I think

[pseudo echo]

other than that?

[steep spindle]

Basically 40k instead of 20k for logistics

[mossy saddle]

other then that it's fun xD

[pseudo echo]

oh

[mossy saddle]

always love playing frog with trains

[steep spindle]

Frogger is hilarious

[pseudo echo]

i thought you meant the impossible mode in K2

as that doubles the cost of EVERYTHING

[mossy saddle]

died 7x 3 of those were me jumping out of my build train x

[pseudo echo]

ive died to my own building train in 1000x

[steep spindle]

My first run had 29 train deaths

[pseudo echo]

i didnt even use trains other than for player transport in 1000x

[mossy saddle]

bus wouldn't be good for me I'm already at 30k belts atleast

[pseudo echo]

what i did is have dedicated subfactories lying around

[steep spindle]

I'm trying to think of builds because of the increase resource needs

[pseudo echo]

like i had a section of the map dedicated solely to yellow science

with its own patches

[mossy saddle]

is it only one resource doubled of the making of an item or all of them?

[steep spindle]

Variant based on recipe

[pseudo echo]

connected by nothing other than power and the science output belt, and ofc the player shuttle

[steep spindle]

Like is 8 wire

[mossy saddle]

you cant do that in SE since you've got to strategically place powerpoles so they don't get deleted every 5seconds xD

[mossy saddle]

you can do it I'm sure!

[pseudo echo]

?

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

the meteors slam down to fast in x1000 that if you had to run or drive very far that you won't be able to build anything at all

[pseudo echo]

ah

so you have an additional system for meteor defense?

[mossy saddle]

not yet lol I repair alot

[pseudo echo]

when do you unlock the big meteor degense system?

[mossy saddle]

the big one is when you launch sats

the normal small one I have right now

[pseudo echo]

ah

[mossy saddle]

but I'm not gonna handfeed every single one 24/7 so I'll rush sats

[pseudo echo]

ye

[mossy saddle]

its fun though

for now

👀

[pseudo echo]

i do recall having quite a lot of run during my 1000x after i got past the slow af early game

wait has anyone done 1000x on more than base vanilla?

[mossy saddle]

there have been attemps as far as I know

[pseudo echo]

ofc

[mossy saddle]

not sure if anyone finished though

if you see QoL mods as not base vanilla then yes ppl deff made it xd

[pseudo echo]

i did mine without any QoL

[steep spindle]

Mine was modded slightly, but vanilla. So it didn't count as vanilla I think,

[pseudo echo]

i also got my 20M circuit acheivement during the run

[pseudo echo]

vanilla, but not true vanilla

well, depends on the level of modding

if it makes ANY difference to production itself then it loses status of being vanilla

[steep spindle]

No production mods, all QoL

Like 60i/s belts and such

Near the same mod list I have now actually

[pseudo echo]

ye, doesnt count

[steep spindle]

Lmao

[pseudo echo]

60i/s belts affect the factory

and fairly significantly

[steep spindle]

Not really 😂

[pseudo echo]

it affects the factory so it cant count as vanilla

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle 😭😭😭

[mossy saddle]

how does it effect?

[pseudo echo]

its in the same vain as a new tier of inserters that alow higher throughput, or a new tier of modules
it doesnt count as vanilla, it counts as slightly modded (IMO)

has anyone but me done 1000x in Pure vanilla?

[steep spindle]

You got a victory screen photo of that pure vanilla base?

[pseudo echo]

hold on

i do

[mossy saddle]

there have been plenty before you si

[pseudo echo]

and i also have a world download ready on my google drive

[steep spindle]

Just wanted to see the SS homie

[pseudo echo]

i grenaded a few trees

and ran over a few poles

and shot a rock

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/17wokxv/ive_just_completed_factorio_on_1000x_science_cost/#lightbox
here is the reddit post i made

if you want more proof

[steep spindle]

Just wanted to see it, no need to go to crazy

Gratz on doing that. I just wondered what it looked like

[pseudo echo]

thx

[steep spindle]

19k to go

its 2......

☠️

expanding!

[pseudo echo]

im busy waiting on steam power then i will get other stuff

i think i will hand feed until i have electric miners

or at minimun electric inserters

loaders, balancers, undergrounds, long and normal inserters are in the same tech

[pseudo echo]

uh....

20k science at 30s research time

each lab requires 10 wind turbines to sustain...

i will need 1700 wind turbines if i want to get this research done in under an hour

[pseudo echo]

ive set up 100 labs

so about 2 hours of research

[steep spindle]

Just sustain it and you should be ok

[pseudo echo]

i got steam power

and am busy building some rn

[steep spindle]

Nice

[pseudo echo]

90 MW of power compared to a past 20 MW

and in a fraction of the space

now i have like 950 wind turbines i have no idea what to do with

[steep spindle]

it grows

this is painful on expensive

[pseudo echo]

i can imagine

[steep spindle]

moved this from x10 to x5

[pseudo echo]

gulp

[marble stream]

Per minute?

[pseudo echo]

in total

[marble stream]

Cheap

[pseudo echo]

im on burner phase

[marble stream]

Half-cheap

[pseudo echo]

and that is to unlock logistics and electric miners

[marble stream]

Do yoi have red ins?

[pseudo echo]

no electric inserters at all

[marble stream]

Ah

[pseudo echo]

we dont get them in K2 until red tech cards

[marble stream]

Missed k2

Burner plase was hard cuz biters ate my base trice

Hmm, and you need a coal on every belt?

[pseudo echo]

im doing my 1000x without biters

i might do a vanilla run with biters

[pseudo echo]

im just making FAT burner columns

5 full harvests of this boi would be enough for the research

but i will make a few extra labs

[marble stream]

I thought you'd make automation

[pseudo echo]

im using automation to make the machines themselves

just that not having ANY way of filtering items and even getting them across a lane is extremely slow

[modern citrus]

I’ve found that for vanilla values, iron and copper only need one burner miner per furnace. I only double up like that for stone brick. The time that the furnace spends idle is small enough to not bother me

[pseudo echo]

ye

ive beaten 1000x before i know

[steep spindle]

no need to get defensive over beating it before, we all are here for fun

buddy and I are closing in!

[steep spindle]

We got fast inserters lol

[pseudo echo]

thats one heck of a hand crafting queue

too lazy to set up my machines as ATM im just collecting large amounts of copper

[marble stream]

I would just spam a bit of machines down for manual usage

Would craft the same stuff you do

[pseudo echo]

thats what i did

im just too lazy to use them

💀

[marble stream]

I'm more lazy to wait for 200 asms I guess

But well, considering you need 4 asms for x1 speed

[pseudo echo]

i need to get 150k copper ore using only burner drills

so ye ive got time to kill in the run

[marble stream]

How many do you get per minute?

[pseudo echo]

idk

i think i have like 120 miners on copper

burner

[marble stream]

I'd guess a belt (900) or two

[pseudo echo]

i dont unlock eletric miners for a long time (90k basic and 40k red tech cards)

so i only have burner miners

[pseudo echo]

90k wood

good lord

[marble stream]

Shouldn't you already stop thinking in total numbers rather then production?

[pseudo echo]

i need these techs to even get proper production

like all i have is burner inserter and basic belt

like the only way for me to filter things is using circuit cheeses,

[spark idol]

I thought you were Kelvin

[pseudo echo]

all using handfed setups

[steep spindle]

cruising!

[pseudo echo]

and so am i

[steep spindle]

Expensive Recipes are >.<

[pseudo echo]

you already getting automated science? nice.

[steep spindle]

its a 1150 /m build

[pseudo echo]

as soon as i find my motivation again i will begin work on the proper base for k2 1000x

i think i will aim for... hmmm... 1800 SPM sounds good enough

[steep spindle]

We got down tonight, need to buff the production of tho

[pseudo echo]

i bumped it up to 5400 SPM (1 purple belt)

[pseudo echo]

nice

[pseudo echo]

i got a mall set up and am currently working on a few gigawatts of coal power

[steep spindle]

this is our base right now

[mossy saddle]

das cute can't wait till it's big again

[spark idol]

You gotta change your pfp lol I keep thinking you’re Kelvin

[pseudo echo]

nice

[pseudo echo]

who?

oh

what a co-incidence

[spark idol]

Kelvin is a technical community member, he is often helping new players in the discord

He knows a lot about belts

[steep spindle]

base update! we added a new Iron patch and are polishing the circuits for Logistic Science

@frosty coral

[long mauve]

@steep spindle looking good! what SPM are you running

[steep spindle]

We are trying to get up too 1800, but right now it's been like 1k or so. Having issues keeping made

[steep spindle]

Needing a billion wire for the circuits is just mind boggling

[mossy saddle]

at the end of your run?

[steep spindle]

No, just for the green circuits 😂

[mossy saddle]

show me 👀 I wonder what it looks like

the pain

[steep spindle]

Tonight I can

We have belted wire, because I didn't want to deal with DI till trains

It's not noobing, it's inventing LOL

[long mauve]

thats interesting

[steep spindle]

I'll show it when I get home, it's actually kinda clever

[long mauve]

without seeing it im not so sure lol

when your handplacing stuff you want simplicity and direct inserting is removing a few belts and an inserter from every copper wire machine

[steep spindle]

True, I just hated moving the belt all over the place

[long mauve]

which belt

[steep spindle]

The DI copper belt wasn't symmetrical and it bugged me

[long mauve]

deal with it

[steep spindle]

Ez

[pseudo echo]

this is majorly important:
In my k2 1000x, am i allowed item stacking on belts to increase throughput? (something like deadlock's belt stacking)

[spark idol]

Nobody will stop you

Somebody might say you’re cheating

[steep spindle]

Item stacking, coming in 2.0?

[pseudo echo]

well, considering that its coming in 2.0 anyway, it wont be too bad if i use deadlock's in k2 1000x?

[steep spindle]

That's up to you tbh

Useful? Yes. Current feature? I'd say no

[pseudo echo]

its not like it reduces the actual machine count, only saves time and precious UPS

[steep spindle]

I'm doing an unmodded x1k run in 2.0. it's gonna be fun

[pseudo echo]

ye

unmodded SA 1000x

if i nuke myself i could complete this k2 1000x in a few months

i peaked 170 hours in 2 weeks during my vanilla 1000x, so doing that in my k2 run would be enough to complete it in only a few months.

[steep spindle]

I think I was around 150, but fully unmodded day 1 is what I'm planning

No mods until the goal is done

Which will be level 30 infinite science tech

[safe coral]

I actually wanted to use a stacking mod on the on-hold run ive got going with ming, but the randomiser mod we're using was also messing with its recipes as well

the smelting setup we've designed for end-game is massive and IIRC was 30 red (80/s) belts of iron ore

[steep spindle]

Interesting

[steep spindle]

I'd say if you're gonna do it just be prepared with all the questions about it

[pseudo echo]

Like what difference does it make other than time and ups savings?

[steep spindle]

It's something that isn't in the base game yet, yeah it can save on quite a few things, but I feel like it will give 2.0 less pop

[quiet sandal]

you'll have to nerf them

I wasn't able to do it with default biters

[pseudo echo]

just a reduction to evolution would be enough i think.

[hardy blade]

Bus for iron technologies ready (IR3, 100x)

[steep spindle]

Nice! Do you have biters on

[spark idol]

You couldn’t play IR3 multiplier with biters in a desert

[mossy saddle]

ir3 makes your pollution sky rocket easely

[steep spindle]

I just saw top right that adds to UPS because if no biters but it's tracking that

[hardy blade]

no biters hehe

[quiet sandal]

I think I'm gonna have to expand my train network

I'm not sure 1 rail per direction is enough

[steep spindle]

We barely have gotten engines researched. The automation science build died

Took 8 lanes of iron instead of 4 because the amount per gear doubled

[zinc creek]

Red & Green Science + MiniMall lol

[steep spindle]

neato

[zinc creek]

preako

[quiet sandal]

I question why I signed myself up for this

[jovial oriole]

Because of the grind

[quiet sandal]

My ore patches are not that large and my oil especially is way too small

Resource extraction is gonna be my main issue

At least for oil I can eventually use coal liquefaction to help offset it

[long mauve]

I’ve started my 10,000x game I’m worried that it will be very hard to get to trains with default size patches

[spark idol]

You might go through 16 patches

But then you’re getting to the huge ones

[quiet sandal]

Thing is I accidentally nerfed the oil patches when I made this save

And even in default settings oil is one of the harder resources to manage…

I always make at least one mistake when creating a save

[long mauve]

Yeah it’s gonna be interesting for sure

[steep spindle]

what multiplier mod you use?

[long mauve]

I got one not on the portal from code green

[scenic imp]

I still need to make it work with infinite techs and make a thumbnail

before uploading it at least

it works fine for everything else

[steep spindle]

Makes sense

[long mauve]

An option to disable it for infinite techs would be awesome as well

[pseudo echo]

10k x?

fuck

200k science for logistics

good lord

10m for the silo

[long mauve]

Yes, I already need a second iron patch just for logistics can’t wait

[zinc creek]

[pseudo echo]

you need like 2 blue belts of science minium to beat the game in any reasonable fashion

[steep spindle]

I kinda want to attempt a 5k now

But after this run, because I'm currently making rail blueprints

[long mauve]

Oh yeah it’s gonna suck I can’t wait

I have a plan for city blocks as well for even more torture when I get to trains. Hand building them will be the worst though

[steep spindle]

What is your SPM target

Because 10k now = 1 😭

I'm gonna be playing the new RL update

[long mauve]

I’ve only created 10 packs so far

The goal is to get a 900 spm build off starters and go to more patches for more science

[long mauve]

Oh did it reset again? I was almost to diamond finally

[steep spindle]

No we are halfway into the season.

[steep spindle]

Ah

[long mauve]

Oh okay good

Yeah it’s gonna be interesting smelting 3 belts without any splitter s

[pseudo echo]

inserters can help

i used inserters and long inserters to act as my underground and splitters in my 1k x

[weak sky]

12000 messages lmao

[jovial oriole]

100x with biters is so awful of a grind

Hyped for 1000x

[zinc creek]

I agree lol

im doing 100x with biters but max rich/size/start

takes 9yrs to research anything

i had to do 1K SPM starter base

[jovial oriole]

And now imagine that with default settings

That's what I'm doing xD

[zinc creek]

i do have modded biters do

little bit of balance

im 8/9hrs in

+1K SPM red/green

[jovial oriole]

Of what kind?

[jovial oriole]

Already at it?

[zinc creek]

and christ it will takes years to get to blye

yes

[jovial oriole]

No problems with pollution lol?

[zinc creek]

max start area

[jovial oriole]

I had many with a desert world xD

[jovial oriole]

Wow, well

[zinc creek]

mine is half deser

[jovial oriole]

I had everything default

[zinc creek]

bc alien biomes

nah i dont like cbt

i like difficulty

[jovial oriole]

Full desert here, my first forest was like 12 chunks out to the south

[jovial oriole]

Cbt?

[zinc creek]

my start starter base

[jovial oriole]

That's what I got

[zinc creek]

google it

[jovial oriole]

Nice, but why are the red and green science not on dedicated belts?

[zinc creek]

starter starter base

also unecessary

[jovial oriole]

Ah, right

[zinc creek]

that shit only produces like 4/s each science

new production area for red and green is 1K SPM

[jovial oriole]

For 1k SPM it kind of is, considering that a single yellow belt provides 900SPM of a single science

[jovial oriole]

Ah, well

[zinc creek]

for that picture

it is dedi for the new area

[jovial oriole]

I just instantly made full belt size science production

Because why not

[zinc creek]

how many hrs in?

[jovial oriole]

It's scalable anyways my designs, so I just made them full scale

[zinc creek]

bots is like 100K+ scienbce

i just made modular designs

[jovial oriole]

4 days in, trying to liberate some ore patches rn for my yellow science belt

[zinc creek]

copy+paste

route belts

so 96hrs?

[jovial oriole]

I got flamers 14 hours in btw

[jovial oriole]

Well, a bit more I think, hold on, let me start Factorio

[zinc creek]

im doing trig rn so not fatorio

[jovial oriole]

Trig was fun years ago, you're doing college level trig or just high school trig?

[zinc creek]

high school

but it is too easy

[jovial oriole]

Ah well

[jovial oriole]

Absolutely

[zinc creek]

my maths periods are my fav bc it is free period

[jovial oriole]

Haha, free time for the brain, am I right

[zinc creek]

ppl asking the teacher to explain again and im like free time

i like maths and science tho

not lifebut physics

[jovial oriole]

Same for me here, exactly have the same going with English & IT

[zinc creek]

i love IT

english is eh

like it is easy but annoying

and boring

ik in america they have AP stuff

dont have that here

so i have to take advanced classes outside of school

so a little annoying

[jovial oriole]

Would like to agree, but sadly what we are doing there is so boring for me, I am finished with tasks, that are supposed to take 2 hours, within 10 - 20 minutes and got nothing todo afterwards

[zinc creek]

I HATE THAT

[jovial oriole]

Well, Idk what AP is, ain't American

[zinc creek]

they like advanced classes

atleasst im sure

[jovial oriole]

Ah

[zinc creek]

dont have that at any of my schools

it is outside of the scgool

[jovial oriole]

We got sth similar called "performance courses" (direct translation), where we have to choose two courses to specialise in basically

[jovial oriole]

Sorry, it was 3 days and a bit, not 4

~84 hours total

My whole base size, running fully on solar to reduce pollution, stacked with efficiency modules for the same reason, yet

Pollution is imminent

A bit of power

[zinc creek]

have any of you guys used mods that can speed up the game to lessen AFK time/

[steep spindle]

Just build more 🧐

Even a couple SPM is a massive difference depending on the multiplier size

[long mauve]

Yeah never stop building would be my advice

[jovial oriole]

Wish that was possible for me, but instead I have to liberate

I'm considering getting a friend to join the act of liberation

It's so much for one lad

[marble stream]

You gonna hit the CPU limit anyways unless you use

[tepid axle]

Dupebox

Duplicate your production and improve UPS with Dupeboxes - multithreaded production buildings

Owner

Dimava

Downloads

1161

[marble stream]

Which is somewhat broken and not updated

[pseudo echo]

i would have if i hadnt insisted on true vanilla for mine

[zinc creek]

i went from 480spm to 1.5K SPM

but still afk might speed up the game

[jovial oriole]

Build even more

[zinc creek]

t i m e go brrrr

[steep spindle]

I legit in my first base want to just blast it at 6k, but didn't have the patience to do more after wards

This is going to test Patience

[zinc creek]

6k spm or 6K multiplier?

[steep spindle]

It was a 6kspm base

At 1k multiplier

This is a x1k expensive recipes base

[zinc creek]

oke

[long mauve]

first couple hours into default settings ( no biters ) 10,000x multiplier. I hate how long this is going to take

the iron patch will run out before I finish the logistics research for undergrounds and splitters

[pseudo echo]

what are your settings for patches?

[zinc creek]

no biters what a noob

JK

how many HRS and what is your spm Fireball?

[jovial oriole]

They are default

[pseudo echo]

fuck

thats like well over a thousand patches in total

[steep spindle]

Why default ore?

[marble stream]

The HOW MUCH??

Well, needing to spend 10x patches over the 1000x is a drag
How far from the spawn are you? I'd move at least 5 minutes a side

[jovial oriole]

Or he could just go out really really far away from the start and use the super rich and large ore patches

[long mauve]

Default

[pseudo echo]

oh god

[long mauve]

2 hours snd should be 900!

[pseudo echo]

900 SPM is like 6 hours to research the logistics

[long mauve]

I just started at spawn I’m already on two iron patches

[long mauve]

I’ll double it as soon as I find more ore patches

[zinc creek]

damn

mine is only 1.5K SPM at 8hrs lol

[long mauve]

Kind of defeats the point don’t you think

[pseudo echo]

i had 900 spm red and green set up at 15 ish hours in my 1000x iirc

[long mauve]

Yeah I’m committed to not afking this entire run

[pseudo echo]

are you doing true vanilla or adding a few QoL mods?

[jovial oriole]

Well yes, that is why I find turning biters of as cheaty, since there is nothing stopping you from going 10k chunks away from your starting area to play the game "normally"

[pseudo echo]

you still need to cover like 10 iron patches

for a decently high SPM

[zinc creek]

idk what you mean he makes a good point

[long mauve]

Vanilla with one mod that lets me get the multiplier for even more pain

[zinc creek]

which?

[pseudo echo]

just a mod that increased the science multiplier

[zinc creek]

you should do the MxlAchievements mod

that could be fun

[long mauve]

They would just slow me down and I’d have to turn down evolution either way. I am staying at the start though and grabbing all the initial patches. Sure I can chest but I’m not

[zinc creek]

chest?

[long mauve]

It’s a private mod not released

[zinc creek]

whaat does it do

[long mauve]

Cheat I’m on mobile

Let’s me get to 10,000 multiplier the default max in vanilla is 1,000

[jovial oriole]

Well, isn't it part of the challenge to have biters? Well it is for me anyways

[pseudo echo]

you are on 100x

[jovial oriole]

Yes I know, I'll do a 1000x next though

[pseudo echo]

Fireball is on 100 00 x

[jovial oriole]

With biters

[jovial oriole]

With a mod I can't use sadly

[long mauve]

Yeah this is yours squared

[jovial oriole]

I know

[pseudo echo]

its like Barely possible iirc to get flamethroweres before big biters

[jovial oriole]

Basically 1000x with 10% patch richness

[zinc creek]

you can do 10K mult in vanilla o

[long mauve]

I’ll ask the owner if he can publish it

[jovial oriole]

Well, I'll do it

[pseudo echo]

no, its capped at 1000x

[jovial oriole]

Would be cool

[zinc creek]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/MxlChievements

for true FATorios

[jovial oriole]

1 Trillion iron plates? Sounds like I need to start a new world

[zinc creek]

ye lol

[pseudo echo]

my 1000x vanilla world used a grand total of 350 million iron plates

[zinc creek]

skill issue

do 3000x

to get that 1B

and then 1000x that

for that 1T

[jovial oriole]

I kindof always wanted to create a defaultworld and see how far I can push it, that mod might get me to actually do it

Will ask a friend though, playing alone gets too boring real fast

[zinc creek]

i agree ^^^

could also do a 600/600 DW

[pseudo echo]

that is really fucking hard

[jovial oriole]

Nah, did too many of those

They also get boring asap

I didn't complete a 17/600/600 dw yet though . . .

[zinc creek]

HMMM

[pseudo echo]

?

lol

[zinc creek]

x0.001 Science multiplier

very difficult

almost everyhting is just 1

[spark idol]

I’m doing a 35x multiplier with cargo ships, dredgeworks, and an ocean world with big continents

And a bunch of BZ mods

Hoping to get a completely different feel to vanilla

[long mauve]

you can make them harder by tweaking the evolution effects or attack cost modifier

[long mauve]

did you complete it?

[pseudo echo]

yes

[long mauve]

I didnt know there were more who won lol, congrats

[pseudo echo]

i posted it to reddit aswell

[long mauve]

nice, im not on reddit too often, I should be more active atleast in the factorio community I just dont have time

[marble stream]

@long mauve have you considered adding x10k in your title?

[zinc creek]

i did like 4x science a few months ago

but 100x is so much longer

cant imagne 1000x

let alomne 10Kx

[spark idol]

I decided to hand feed for logistics

Halfway done

[long mauve]

I should

[steep spindle]

I've gotten back into Warcraft again haha

[marble stream]

Honestly I did like a dot in the middle

[slim kelp]

in line with this trend here I've slowed down Planet Crafter to 0.1 terraformation speed in new game (which should be 10%)... there's also a "0" but not sure how that works... in any case, it will be a LOOOOONG game :P

btw, how does that 10000X work ? is there a mod ?

[pseudo echo]

yes its a mod

unreleased tho

[slim kelp]

it simply forces you to build bigger, earlier... that's about it

[zinc creek]

more so the amount of AFK time

the building aint a problem it is afk time

[slim kelp]

not really, afk doesn't solve it... waiting 1000 hours for a research isn't a solution, instead, building 100x more machines and completing it in 10 hrs is...

and by the time you finished building them, the 10 hours have passed

(just throwing some numbers, in reality they complete a lot faster than 10 hrs when scaling is sufficient... most mid-game sciences are under 1 hr with 1800 spm of red/green/blue

[zinc creek]

takes time still

[slim kelp]

well you're not going to speedrun it for sure :)

but it doesn't take as much time as one might think...

I finished an x100 game in just 30 hrs, and Putin finished x1000 in under 150

that's just twice the amount it takes a newbie to do the default game...

(without early bots or other forms of "making it easier", just plain vanilla+)

[steep spindle]

Only time I remotely have accepted afk in the higher multiplier runs in for logistics 1 and that's it

[long mauve]

There’s always stuff to do, I’m still building red science after getting my 900 spm build going. Adding another 1800 soon, found a spot for it