High Science Multiplier

[slim kelp]

at least trees can be grenaded quickly, but rocks nooooo, they tough as nails

[long mauve]

your making pretty good progress!

I do kinda wish I did regular patches like you are doing now though

[languid stump]

It does seem fun

[slim kelp]

it's kinda painful, 50% of the 42 hours so far were spent outposting

[languid stump]

I would wanna try biters if I did another one xD

[slim kelp]

miners, miners, and more miners, in 30 random places

[long mauve]

do you have any idea how you would make biters work

[long mauve]

you get fast at outposting though

[languid stump]

A bit but I’m not sure if it would work

[slim kelp]

slowed down evolution

[languid stump]

I was thinking 600% start size and no pollution or destruction evolution

Just time

[slim kelp]

like, REALLY slowed, so at 40 hrs you still deal with small biters, perhaps just a few medium ones

then it's okay

[long mauve]

combining both your ideas would work I bet

[slim kelp]

and yea pollution evo needs to be off

[languid stump]

I was also thinking about increased terrain pollution modifier

[slim kelp]

otherwise pretty much impossible, I don't want to know how big the cloud would be if pollution was on

[languid stump]

So the ground / trees just grab more of it

[fervent ravine]

600% oil will save

[long mauve]

for flamethrowers? you dont need much oil for them

[slim kelp]

researching the flamethrowers will be tough

that's nearly a million points total to get to them

[long mauve]

thats a lot..

[slim kelp]

even with effi1 in everything I'm still burning 250-300 MW of power

[long mauve]

I was on I think 800 mw of boiler before I switched to solar

[slim kelp]

so all miners are only consuming 20%... can't imagine what it would be with them at 100%, or worse, speedmodded

[long mauve]

its bad

Im at 4 maybe 5 gw now with beacons and some speed modules in miners. no

[slim kelp]

eeek.

on the other hand radar found some nice coal fields near lakes, I could easily do 2 GW burner

[long mauve]

until your coal patches run out

[slim kelp]

this spot here which is not very far away has 25M coal

[long mauve]

how long are your patches lasting? is it a number of belts out the problem or the time to depletion a problem

[spark idol]

What is that purple white stuff

[slim kelp]

combine all 3 into a huge boiler setup near the lake, that should do it

7 patches fully eaten so far

3-4 more are dying and won't ast long

(talking all resources not just coal)

ah, right, I haven't checked resources in a while, let's see where I stand

[spark idol]

And why he ourple

[long mauve]

ghosts?

[slim kelp]

no biggie, just 35 M iron extracted so far

[long mauve]

wonder what im at now

[slim kelp]

windows hdr is kinda bad with screenshots, the color you see is not the color I see

[slim kelp]

oh wow, 3.5 times more, yeah, you're much further ahead

and 8.2M red points vs 3.5M

[long mauve]

im also at 87 hours so quite a bit further in

im so close to assembly 3 then I will almost double production assuming no bottlenecks, which is a huge assumption

[slim kelp]

;-)

I think mine could have been a tad better but I made a poor decision of doing that 1-2 train network

it proved inadequate much sooner than I had hoped

[long mauve]

yeah, I went right for tried and true 1-4 2 lane highways

I should have not built stuff too close in the beginning but that was fixed by the time beacosn rolled around and I got new areas to build in

[slim kelp]

built for 1800 spm, barely half in reality

[long mauve]

welcome to my life :(

planned for 1800*2 with prod3 speed3, getting maybe 500 now from that build

[slim kelp]

and most of the dips were train bottlenecks

[slim kelp]

ouch.

well, we play the hardest "vanilla" possible ;)

it is expected to be bad

[long mauve]

yeah, eventually itll be good when I get better stuff researched!

[slim kelp]

I hope the transition to 1-4 trains and that +2 level to stack inserters will get things moving and pin the production to 1800 spm

at the moment stations simply can't keep up, stack size 2 on stack inserters is not cutting it

[long mauve]

are you using any train manager mod like LTN or cyber syn?

cyber syn has been really nice

[slim kelp]

no, just my circuit logic

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

[virtual-signal=concept-26] Load limiter

[long mauve]

just a simple train limit setup im guessing?

[slim kelp]

yep, based on chest fill level, just to make sure trains don't wait when there's nothing to do for them

it's very flawed, but it works

[long mauve]

yeah those work well enough. I use cyber syn so that any train can go to any type of item station so i need less total trains because demands fluctuate a lot, plus it was fun to learn

[slim kelp]

ah... trying to do this one pure vanilla (only some QoL that don't affect recipes or mechanics)

like the activity color indicator or squeak through

[long mauve]

yeah its kindof gamechanging but its something ive been meaning to do in a game for a while

[slim kelp]

the reason why it's a tad more complicated withi a few combinator is that it's not just closing or opening a station, but varying the limit until a max which I can set in that combinator

so if I want to push more resources somewhere I allow more trains to queue up, or the opposite, reduce the number so they go instead somewhere else

it is a bit of manual work to adjust these, especially considering there is no remote configuring of combinators... (will come in 2.0, finally, ffsake)

but it keeps the factory going depending on what I'm doing... prioritize stations that I need more

[long mauve]

cyber syn will atleast help those issues.

it wasnt too bad to learn

[slim kelp]

lol I found my previous attempt at 1000x game with more resources ... it's far behind this new one, didn't even start then before abandoning it

tbh the "low" (default) resources kinda motivated me, because there was always something to do

in the old game it was pretty boring, just giant smelter arrays to a single giant patch

[steep spindle]

reinstalled

and will be finishing my x1k before I hit play again

[long mauve]

you better

[steep spindle]

wanted to play the new update to it haha

[spark idol]

That game is so tedious

Have to travel so far to get ores

[steep spindle]

@slim kelp #1188693488464834623 message

[steep spindle]

Yeah, but it's fun tho

[mossy saddle]

I mean in Factorio you also got to travel far XD

[marble stream]

Did you try the new Dyson enemie?

[slim kelp]

yeah I'll finish x1000 too before resuming [S], or it will be abandoned for sure

[slim kelp]

moving speed improves massively once getting the jetpack, because momentum is preserved, just slide-jump off a belt in the general direction you want to go, then pulse jetpack with biofuel... you can move like 1/8 of the map in a single flight

or if you start somewhere high up, parachute can get you very, very far. But I do agree, on the land it's quite tedious (and can be dangerous)

[slim kelp]

steel, someone said steel ?

final size, 20 of iron input, how much is that in steel output ?

[steep spindle]

Dyson sphere I have too, but never really enjoyed it

[slim kelp]

it changed a lot, it's in active development

I might restart that game too soon... when I tried it first it was very EA, not very interesting

so 40 belts input / 5 = 8 belts output x 900 = 7200 steel/m, that should cover it I think, for now :P

but of course... that's a lot of outposts and trains supplying ore

[steep spindle]

Yeah the bottleneck could be quick

[slim kelp]

first iron arriving

[slim kelp]

fk... it's finally done... now back to outposting

"just" 1900ish steel furnaces, no biggie

[mossy saddle]

We love steel!

[steep spindle]

Nice

Tonight I'm thinking about making my so I can start making higher modules

[slim kelp]

I was wondering why my refineries are stalling... most of the early oil fields are basically dead already

this game is pain

[languid stump]

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

pfff... not even close

also all iron everywhere is dying... blah, I don't have the patience for this anymore... not today anyway

[steep spindle]

Ruh roh

You are doing great tho!!

[slim kelp]

when I got bots: Well, this is going to get a lot faster.... then iron mines said : NOPE, it won't.

[mossy saddle]

Lol someone was yesterday "3/s is more then enough for 2kspm

[slim kelp]

probably no choice but to research fluid wagons and start grabbing some bigger fields in the distance

already below 1000/s now (down from a peak of 1400 or so)

they are draining very fast

[languid stump]

75,000 purple science can be made surprisingly fast

A little less with prodded labs

[slim kelp]

I won't make it to that point the way it's going now

still need furnaces research 300k

or 250, whatever, a lot

[languid stump]

Ah yea

[slim kelp]

there are a couple of fields in the south which I haven't grabbed yet, might pump those up once iron shortages are somehow resolved

that should be enough to reach liquefaction

it's not going very well, this was a 7m field :P

[languid stump]

Maybe you ought to start expanding in just one direction for the richer and richer ores

[slim kelp]

that is an idea... but it also means building a lot of rail

without or very slow bots

there are plenty of 10M+ fields around, just need to get to them... they should last a bit until better tech is ready

[languid stump]

Make a sushi belt of construction parts

[steep spindle]

I'm contemplating lower resource % in the next run as well

[marble stream]

You gonna next run?

[mossy saddle]

Maybe he means in SA

[steep spindle]

Contemplating it because of my mixed trains issues yeah

And the bottleneck hell at my smelters

[mossy saddle]

This time you have bps!

You'll go as fast as Aristo then

[steep spindle]

SA sounds like a good time to go unmodded x1k first run

[mossy saddle]

Handplacing 1200 as

[steep spindle]

It's more for the ez steam achievements

Like the circuits and stuff

[steep spindle]

a 3 to 1 TU balancer that doesn't look like ass is needed

ooor....

[long mauve]

what for

[steep spindle]

unloading

its not even

but I'm looking at another route right now

the bottleneck is the train being unloaded even needed 8 total belts

[long mauve]

multiple stations could work

[steep spindle]

this somehow worked....

I think its time I hook this up and start on robo frames

and just deal with the bottleneck

[modern citrus]

I tend to leave out those belts facing away from the inserters. For the top row, left cargo wagon, I wouild have >>>^<< for the belts that the inserters put stuff onto

Rotate that around for the bottom side of the train

[steep spindle]

^<<< was going to slow and not unloading right

[long mauve]

you have the ^ in the wrong spot GGs

[steep spindle]

like it would overfill a couple chests

[long mauve]

and chest balance wont matter

[steep spindle]

huh?

[modern citrus]

I usually toss the output belts through a balancer (2 belts per wagon, 4 wagons, wouild use an 8x8 balancer) to ensure the wagons unload evenly

The up belt in your thing was one tile off. You have it located correctly in the pics though

[modern citrus]

This typed thing has the up belt one tile off

[steep spindle]

your setup is the above photo

adding 1 layer tho

lemme remove that layer and see

O.o

NOW IT wants to work

thats malding

and I would throw it into an 8x8 but

[long mauve]

you had 4 going on 1 lane while the other had 2 on 1 lane :P

[steep spindle]

there already is one

oh ic

the way the inserter output matters

[long mauve]

why dont you use loaders on the unloader

[steep spindle]

I have a couple, lemme see what that would do

[steep spindle]

fixed it....

Putin was right, that inner belt has to be 100% at all times

lmao....

its going so fast the chest is having a seizer

so, no chest it is

[fervent ravine]

Wait is the ore kept inside that thing or does it slowly deposit

[steep spindle]

it just unloads/loads from w/e source it hits

example this is my train loader that loads in 6.3s

its 48 60i/s loaders

but I'm tempted to half it and make 2 loading stations

[fervent ravine]

Damn

[steep spindle]

yeah, its dual loader time

hehe

[mossy saddle]

Nice n clean looking 👀

[slim kelp]

also fake ;P

[steep spindle]

Fake how? It's just loaders

[slim kelp]

exactly

there's a reason WUBE decided against leaving loaders in the game

and they won't exist in the expansion either

[steep spindle]

I know they won't, but I have them and they aren't causing trouble.

[slim kelp]

it's not about that

it's about the fact that loaders cancel inserters, there's no reason for inserters to exist anymore when loaders exist

[steep spindle]

My copper has a loader layout I'd use instead, I just like the loaders for trains

[slim kelp]

I can't imagine factorio without inserters...

it's a completely different game with "loader" style resource movement instead of inserters

[tepid axle]

Loader Redux

Adds Loaders. Rewritten add-loader with new loader snapping logic and graphics.

Owner

Optera

Downloads

102211

[slim kelp]

basically it turns it into satisfactory, since there stuff gets out of the machines directly on the belt, all machines have holes for belts in them

[steep spindle]

It's a satisfactory style mod for sure, I enjoy playing with them only in certain scenarios

[slim kelp]

well, if you enjoy them, all good ;) I reject such things (or any mod that cancels any type of puzzle - inserters are part of the puzzle, making thigns that work considering their speed, timing, stack size, etc.)

[steep spindle]

Like I did mention earlier tho, only really using those on my trains in this world

On the smelters

Elsewhere has been inserters

[slim kelp]

I have spend tens of hours figuring out this type of shit... oh let's just put a bunch of loaders, zero effort needed

[steep spindle]

Yeah, your loader book is nice

You gave it to me at one point, my game had fried

[slim kelp]

let me know when you're ready to drop all the cheaty mods ;-)

and we can talk about it

anyway, gtg, rl stuff to do unfortunately

[steep spindle]

Just that and belts are a game changer in this world lmao, and ok ttyl

[mossy saddle]

there's loaders in my game

am I cheating

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

IDDQD

[steep spindle]

😭

[mossy saddle]

it's in the mods

[steep spindle]

You right now^

[mossy saddle]

yes!!!

[steep spindle]

I'm going to do away with the bigger loaders in 2.0

It will force me to look at the game in an efficient way

Gonna keep mini loaders for the machines tho

Not the trains

[spark idol]

I like the 2x1 loaders

They are bulky enough that inserters are better for most things

[mossy saddle]

it's in my mods I'm not cheating!

But when I do SA it'll definitely be without them

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I'm think about what I want to carry over. Or if I want to do the first one fully unmodded

[mossy saddle]

does

the factory planner

count as a mod?

[long mauve]

yes, its a mod. gamechanging? no

[mossy saddle]

oh that sucks I'll have to use the google one then

[steep spindle]

finally damn

got em both wired to only fire a train if the chests = 14k+

[mossy saddle]

Nice job!

You have electric furnaces yet?

[steep spindle]

Me? Yea

[mossy saddle]

I saw coal and thought you were using steels still

[steep spindle]

contemplated it for a bit

[mossy saddle]

more modules?

[steep spindle]

That too

[fervent ravine]

enough?

[steep spindle]

Never enough of anything in the mode lol

[fervent ravine]

well enough for now

?

[steep spindle]

Are you trying to main bus?

[fervent ravine]

about to yea

[steep spindle]

1800 took 20 lanes of iron plates

For red and green

Or 21 I can't remember

[slim kelp]

I have 2 lanes of chips, 5 of cogs and 4 of raw plates and it was barely holding on for red/green

so just iron would be 2 + 10 + 4 ... so 16 ?

[steep spindle]

What SPM?

[slim kelp]

1800

so the answer is "not enough" to that picture

[steep spindle]

^

[long mauve]

keep what you have just be ready for future expansion @fervent ravine

[slim kelp]

ah yea that's just red/green... when hitting blue, you lose count on the number of belts :P

[steep spindle]

Main bus fixin to look like a sky scraper

[mossy saddle]

loads more!

[slim kelp]

I totally recommend higher tier intermediates if you do a bus, starting with cogs, that's more stuff moving in a smaller space

if you do raw resources, it will be very VERY wide

tbh I'm a bit sad I didn't put inserters on the bus...

that would have been 1/3 of the space used...

belts on the other hand don't save anything since 1+1 -> 2

I should have made this calculation before starting...

8 belts it all it takes to feed the beast

[steep spindle]

Wow

[steep spindle]

getting a build online

[long mauve]

I need those badly

[steep spindle]

i'm just gunning for rocket silo now

quick and dirty

[long mauve]

im going slower and going for builds that will last a while, grabbing many ore patches to sustain my base into 10K spm levels hopefully

[languid stump]

You got it!!!

[steep spindle]

its barely up and running

but its here

[steep spindle]

Good luck with that

I'm still thinking about my 100% goal

[long mauve]

are you gonna do 100%?? @steep spindle

[long mauve]

beautiful!

[steep spindle]

I'm still in the realm of wanting to do that yeah, but I want to silo now. I need 1k launches for one of the sciences before infinite tech

Having to fix my smelters every 5 minutes is quite annoying

[languid stump]

What’s happening

[steep spindle]

Just not enough being made, and don't know if I need to add modules or go build a whole nother one

[languid stump]

Both? 🙂

[steep spindle]

Prolly tbh

[languid stump]

Vanilla near the end really just wants you to copy paste smelting lines left and right lol

As long as you use a fairly cheap furnace, there becomes a low impact to overbuilding them

[steep spindle]

It's prod 1, speed 1 furnace setup

[languid stump]

Fairly cheap then

[steep spindle]

Yeah, shouldn't be too much. May upgrade it to actually output a full too

Fireball had mentioned to do it a few days ago, but I thought I could upgrade the belts and just make the design quicker, nope needs modules 😦

[modern citrus]

72 steel furnaces per blue belt. I’m basing my factory around eventually doing blue belts of stuff

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I wonder what base 60i/s is

Prolly 96?

Cause it's 48 for a red, and green is double

[long mauve]

Do you have beacons that changes it

[steep spindle]

I was wondering just the base no beacon

[long mauve]

Then 96

[steep spindle]

[modern citrus]

Recipe time / machine speed * belt speed. So 3.2 / 2 * 60 = 96

[steep spindle]

I'm concerned about the thousand rockets I need for 1M

[slim kelp]

pretty much going to need tripling everythign you have...

or 10 times to be sure. Rocket is expensive as it is...

[steep spindle]

720 parts per rocket* 1,000 rockets

But right now I just need robo frames to finish my utility science

And then I can worry about that I guess

[slim kelp]

I have about 80 nuclear reactors running in my old megabase that reached 1000 rockets launched, still took 30 hours or so to reach that point...

[steep spindle]

Well, I'll be happy with the first one tbh

[slim kelp]

probably a wise choice.. just beat 1000x and be done with it

I'm kinda thinking to abandon this run as well, default resources aren't up to this

well, they are, with a lot of patience... which I don't have

[steep spindle]

I finally made last night

[slim kelp]

not sure yet.... the rest of this week I'll be busy with RL stuff so no progress... and I have to decide next week if I'm continuing the game or not

[steep spindle]

isn't max producing because I didn't add the R3 modules

finally started looking at my mods this thing did

[slim kelp]

put p1/s1 until you have your 3's ready

[fervent ravine]

30m piss science

mmm

[slim kelp]

for ?

[steep spindle]

100%

before infinite tech

[slim kelp]

all sciences ?

oh wow.

that is a lot

way more than just getting the win screen

[steep spindle]

yeah

cranked

[fervent ravine]

just built my circuits and realised ive fucked up the blueprint

[steep spindle]

And now I have production 3 and speed 3 modules being made

Just decided to skip the two's and say screw it

[mossy saddle]

Power poles~

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

If I up to beacons I'll fix it

[mossy saddle]

I'll find you ggs! You're not escaping the chankla!! 🥿

[steep spindle]

[fervent ravine]

making 1k red science a min

[mossy saddle]

Nice job!

[steep spindle]

Get r done

[fervent ravine]

not sure what set up to do with 4 lanes

[steep spindle]

well, getting that built is all for tonight, maybe I'll actually produce tomorrowa

[steep spindle]

Maybe I'll DI instead of using chests

It's 379/m that should be fine for

[marble stream]

Hello
You may consider adding x1000 for this server's nickname

[mossy saddle]

that's interesting does one lane make 250spm?

[fervent ravine]

500

i had 2 before then expanded

so 2k spm roughly i think

[marble stream]

Why not 900x (450)?

(belt throughput is 900)

[fervent ravine]

?

[mossy saddle]

that's a full belt without over prod

looks very clean tho show me your powerpoles

[modern citrus]

That begs the question, when someone talks “SPM” are they talking science produced (by assembly machines and the silo) or science progress made towards the current research (by the labs)? Because if you have sufficient labs, a yellow belt for each science would be 900 SPM produced, but could be 1080 SPM applied to tech thanks to having PM3’s in the labs

[fervent ravine]

you dont wanna see

[marble stream]

Always the stuff in production tab

[modern citrus]

Production side or consumption side? Both are in that tab

[marble stream]

Aren't they the same?

[mossy saddle]

not always no

I overproduce science in ratio of labs

[steep spindle]

@long mauve how close are you to launch?

[fervent ravine]

man i want logistics 2 but 200k red and green is so much and green takes a shit ton longer

i think

nvm it doesnt

[steep spindle]

Recommended pace is 1800 for stable research speed

[fervent ravine]

for green or both?

[modern citrus]

Each science

[fervent ravine]

oh

[modern citrus]

1800 means 1800 reds, 1800 greens, and when you get them, 1800 grays and 1800 blues and 1800 purples and 1800 yellows

[steep spindle]

Obviously higher is faster

But 1800 is a stable pace

I'm getting my base to 6k right now

[fervent ravine]

well rn i got 1.4k red so ill got for 2k and start wokring on green

[modern citrus]

I had started over as I had not left enough room for smelting in my other game. Currently I’m at 900 red+green, in the process of setting up for grey and researching what I need for blue. But will be going to 1800 around the time I get blues set up as well. I have room for purple planned out; yellow and space are generally allotted but not really planned out yet

[steep spindle]

I still need to work on

But I'm getting the silo running before that

[mossy saddle]

I'm going for a steady 3.6k atm

well when I find time to do it again atleast

[steep spindle]

Assuming I can play tonight Will be being made

[mossy saddle]

oh nice! I'll start playing again and tank the solar beam

if you don't see me in 2 days that means it landed in the middle of my mall

[steep spindle]

So it's just a matter of time

[mossy saddle]

yeah I'm like 1m away from it I thought xD

[steep spindle]

1.3M

[mossy saddle]

when I saw it I had to close it!

[steep spindle]

It's so far away 😭

[mossy saddle]

how many rocket silos have you made?

[steep spindle]

0

Need 1.3M

[mossy saddle]

good luck digging

I haven't reached rockets yet either was about to start blues

[steep spindle]

Where the hell I'ma put all the stone

[mossy saddle]

concrete it all upp

I am lucky that I can put it inside my smelter for circuits xD

or void it at the sun

[long mauve]

im really close to making yellow science, then after that a launch will be simple. A big bottleneck I suspect will happen is oil refining when I need rocket fuel

I also havent had much time to play :P

[steep spindle]

So we are close to each other now

[long mauve]

yeah

[steep spindle]

That's why you panicked LOL

[long mauve]

once i get blue chips ill be good for yellow, and then prod3/speed3s :D

yeah haha and its hard to find time

[slim kelp]

I'm taking a break from the 1000x (not abandoning it)... I need some better blueprints for this scale, and designing them will take time

need some blueprints for outposts that fit default resources decently and can be quickly deployed with little effort (basically, the entire train station and miners, and only needing to drag the belts - It's simply taking way too long to setup every outpost, and I need probably hundreds for the end-science part

[steep spindle]

Oh c'mon wave!

I'm almost making

[slim kelp]

I need some large resource processing blueprints, and science blueprints for hundreds of spm... with red/green/blue I copy/pasted 20 times the normal game 90 spm blueprint... but that means lots and lots of splitting and joining and it has got to my nerve

I don't want to spend hundreds of hours on it like you

the thing needs to work quickly and efficiently

[steep spindle]

Oh ic

Yeah, no I instantly went to higher design when I saw small didn't cut it

My reds were 1200 before splitter and 1800 then on till blues

[slim kelp]

I should probably aim for 3600 or 5400 for the final techs

all sciences

[steep spindle]

But with default that's prolly a massive pain in the ass

[slim kelp]

that is very, very large scale

[steep spindle]

My base is starting to crunch to 6000

All I did was building upgrades too

[slim kelp]

but considering the average iron patch is providing 4-6 yb, that's probably 100 of them minimum to sustain that spm

[steep spindle]

True

[slim kelp]

so yea, won't play it anymore until the endgame bps are resolved

[vagrant anchor]

What about moving very far away from spawn and doing beaconed direct mining to trains

[slim kelp]

that would defeat the purpose of playing on default resources

if I just move somewhere else...

[vagrant anchor]

Well megabases mostly do that as well

[steep spindle]

I didn't

[vagrant anchor]

You have 600% on all resource toggles you would never need to lmao

[steep spindle]

Still a use with train mining I think

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah it's still useful

Thought u were referring to moving far from spawn

[steep spindle]

Both, but train ⛏️ was main thing

[vagrant anchor]

Direct mining to train is actually usually slower unless you have belt throughput issues btw

[steep spindle]

Even at high prod mining?

[vagrant anchor]

Belt takes one tile train takes 2

But with high prod ull run into belt throughput so yeah

[slim kelp]

train mining makes sense only when belts simply cannot cover more than a few miners (that takes mining prod 200+)

and talking about that... that's what I'm going to do next... make a true megabase until my computer cries, been wanting to do that for years

[steep spindle]

I might try that with my cpu

[slim kelp]

x1 science, all default, no helper mods, just vanilla+qol, but build and build and build and not stop building

biters on too, because it's fun blasting them with arty with lvl 15 arty range :)

[vagrant anchor]

4-beaconed miners though

You could even do 8-beaconed ones

[steep spindle]

Beacon mining

WHAT

[slim kelp]

🥓

[vagrant anchor]

Lmaooo

Bacon in the landmines to lure biters

[slim kelp]

bacon mining, yes.

[steep spindle]

robo frames have been accomplished

[steep spindle]

closing in!!!!

[steep spindle]

YES

[slim kelp]

it's happening \o/

can your resources sustain it ?

(along with everything else that needs to be produced)

[steep spindle]

Only thing not holding right now is batteries

[slim kelp]

more in their chain

you have nuclear right ? power no longer an issue

[steep spindle]

Yeah, power is not a problem

[slim kelp]

especially production of sulfur and sulfuric acid should be prioritized for

the rest can stay as 1's

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I'll hit that tomorrow

That's the next thing on the list

And the smelter stacks for faster processing

I think if I get the smelters producing slightly more and the batteries going I can get a rocket soon

Batteries were holding back the robo frames

Only 1.29M more to go tho lol

That's it for me tonight tho

[slim kelp]

the numbers are just staggering...

good thing wube didn't allow something more than 1000x to be entered there, some crazies around here would try x5000, x25000 ...

[mossy saddle]

[slim kelp]

imagine hand feeding for x25000 just to get Logistics

[mossy saddle]

oh you were handfeeding?

I just had to handfeed coal for like 4-5 hours

[slim kelp]

partially... the smelting and iron inserting was automated with a snake of belts, but then copper had to be handfed into the assemblers, since I had no undergrounds to cross things

wasn't too bad, one consumed every 10s, 100 capacity, 1000s to refill assemblers

and it didn't take 4-5 hrs for sure

the array was quite large

[mossy saddle]

Awh I would've loved to see it!

[modern citrus]

I had electric miners putting coal on one side of the belt, then I routed that belt through the iron or copper field, and had electric miners put that ore on the other side of the belt. Made for some interesting spaghetti thats for sure

Only took a couple miners to supply enough coal for the entire half furnace column, too

I had done 3 miners per belt … and the coal was backed up

[slim kelp]

900 spm of red tech means 25 ish mins to complete logistics and two iron belts. Not that hard to do, actually

You can make the cogs near the mining and then sideload the cogs onto one belt and that's it

Copper needs to be handfed tho....

[mossy saddle]

that's what I had to pay for my researches

all lazer beams missed my base

spoke to soon

[steep spindle]

So it was in SE already

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

Oh no

Well at least it was just science right

[mossy saddle]

just the red science and the biters and a couple meteors on my copper ore depot

[steep spindle]

Better then the mall or a power grid

[mossy saddle]

got pretty lucky the 4 other beams hit biters

[steep spindle]

Isn't that nice of the sun

[mossy saddle]

yeah next one is in one day instead of 2

[steep spindle]

Can power mitigate it

[mossy saddle]

you can only "defend" yourself with it with like a solar umbrella

but that's so far away still xD

[steep spindle]

Ahh

I hope to get yellows done tonight and military up and running

I need more batteries lol

[mossy saddle]

I'm focusing on bots and the metoer point defense atm

if i'm able to get a solid base on nauvis for now I should be fine

[steep spindle]

I have to go build another build for batteries

[mossy saddle]

good luck! ^^

[steep spindle]

Not looking forward to that

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle Did you see I have yellows now?

[mossy saddle]

yellows?

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

urea samples

[steep spindle]

Lol

[mossy saddle]

oooh nice!

how much pee is there in a bottle?

[spark idol]

It’s robot pee

[steep spindle]

stable pace

[long mauve]

Awesome

I haven’t played for 2 days and won’t have time for a couple more

[vagrant anchor]

I haven't played for like a month lol

Been working on coding stuff more since school has started

[steep spindle]

done for today

[slim kelp]

dang, you really want to research everything :P

nuke is 5M points btw :P

[steep spindle]

Was getting kovarex to stop having power issues

[slim kelp]

just use more centrifuges

it's about 1.02'ish centrifuge per reactor

not sure how many reactors has that biplane, but probably a lot, you need to have AT LEAST as many centrifuges (unmodded)

[steep spindle]

I have 40 right now

[slim kelp]

put speed in them or beacon them, then it gets trivial

ah, and 10000 chests for u238

no need for kov

I mean, you could have launched for the cost of that kovarex...

[steep spindle]

True

[steep spindle]

Doing the 100% science run after the silo tho

Might as well pick it up

[slim kelp]

ah, well, in that case, it's useful

[steep spindle]

I thought about not, but I want to attend to get things fixed

It will be a good world to test the limits

[slim kelp]

of the cpu ? ;) I'm curious if you manage to get under 60 ups with that computer

[steep spindle]

5900x at 5.4 and a 3080

highly unlikely

[slim kelp]

gpu don't matter

[steep spindle]

ram?

[slim kelp]

I've run this game on a GTX 7900 :P

(has 768 MB of RAM, to give you an idea on how bad it is)

[steep spindle]

oh my

[slim kelp]

or GT 7900, something, anyway, ancienc card, from before the "200" series

[steep spindle]

thats a gtx 790

I had a 750ti lol

[slim kelp]

wasn't holding 60 fps, only 40'ish or so, but still, considering the fact that it's over 15 years old

before 900, 700, 600, 400, 200, they had 4 numbers

[steep spindle]

O.o

[slim kelp]

but, the number change was the 2nd digit, not the 3rd like it is now

so an "80" class was 7800, not 7080

now AMD has that naming scheme

which can be very confusing, nvidia had a "6800" for example

like my card is now RX 6800 ;)

so anyway, a "200" series is already powerful enough to run this game at 60 fps

and that launched in 2008

[slim kelp]

after that, only the CPU matters

dang, that's a lot

[steep spindle]

we are closing in!

[slim kelp]

buffer some 720 of each component in advance so when your research is done you can just surround the silo with 15 beacons and send it in a minute or less

also don't forget about

(not that it matters much, but it's quicker than making 1000 of each)

oh, or you don't have it researched

[steep spindle]

what researched?

[slim kelp]

well, in that case, 1000 it is :), or 940'ish or so with prod 2

prod 3... have you spent 300k points on it ?

[steep spindle]

had to to get to yellow

[slim kelp]

ah yes... lol, forgot that it's needed for the silo

👴

[steep spindle]

making sure I dont have a power outage real quick

but I'm not researching Kovarex till after this silo launches

[slim kelp]

👍

[steep spindle]

you'd think 50 cetrifuges cranking out would be enough

[slim kelp]

if you have 60 reactors, then it's not enough ;-)

[steep spindle]

36

[slim kelp]

ok, then it's weird, are you sure they are all working ?

[steep spindle]

its a reactor by Putin

[slim kelp]

speed beaconed too

[steep spindle]

so they only kick on when needed

[slim kelp]

what tha actual f!??

[steep spindle]

but the problem is it REQUIRES all fuels

[slim kelp]

you have more than enough fuel

[steep spindle]

oh thats a 60i/s belt

[slim kelp]

oooooh, it's a "smart reactor" and something is probably broken

remove and replace all the inserters

to cut the stupid wires

[slim kelp]

the inserters are off, that's why you keep getting reactors offline

[steep spindle]

it only dies when that inner ring doesnt have a belt of fuel cells

[slim kelp]

not because centrifuges 🤦‍♂️

[steep spindle]

its this

[slim kelp]

just cut all the damn wires

and let it run 100%

[steep spindle]

I'm not burning all that reactor fuel if I dont need to

[slim kelp]

who cares, you're producing 5 times more than needed with all those beacons !

[steep spindle]

lul

[slim kelp]

🔫

[steep spindle]

bout to take a grenade and go to town

[slim kelp]

just blow them up, put empty chests

[slim kelp]

there's a wire missing somewhere, there's no way this just turns off at random

but anyway, letting it run 100% is the way to go now, rather than trying to debug what's wrong

[steep spindle]

ask putin

[slim kelp]

they should ALL turn off and on at once, simultaneously

[steep spindle]

thats who I got it from 🙂

[slim kelp]

not one by one

[slim kelp]

no need to ask, I know how this stuff works, the fact that it doesn't for you means something didn't get placed correctly

[steep spindle]

hmmmm

would placing it ontop of itself fix it?

[slim kelp]

maybe ? I don't know

there might be a small obstacle somewhere

[slim kelp]

if that doesn't fix it, remove/replace inserters, done.

[steep spindle]

something did something nopw

[slim kelp]

check if the red wire on top is intact

all the messaging is sent through there

if you have an interruption, it's not reading the tanks and obviously it's not going to work

[steep spindle]

they all look that way

[slim kelp]

actually, bottom for you, since you placed it upside down

[steep spindle]

that might have been what broke it?

yeah its intact

[slim kelp]

I don't see any red wire at all

[steep spindle]

i was hovering over it

[slim kelp]

oh, right

connections to tanks, all good ?

[steep spindle]

looks ok to me

the inserter directions seem fliped

top one is in

bottom is out

[slim kelp]

seems to be working here, so no clue really

[steep spindle]

my purple just needs steel and yellow needs more batteries

thats an easy fix

[slim kelp]

what's the output on that combinator ?

it should look like this, input something big in the millions, output between 5k and 18k

[steep spindle]

One sec

[slim kelp]

something else, these are two independent electrical networks

you may have accidentally joined them together ?

[steep spindle]

I don't think I did but I can check

[slim kelp]

if you check one of the power poles in the solar area, it should be 2-3 MW

it's just to run the pumps

so if the combinator looks like mine and power grid in the pumps is 1.6 MW, then it should be working

[slim kelp]

okay, looks good

[slim kelp]

now, remove all the fuel you might have put manually in all reactors

just empty them all

once it pings back on, insert just ONE fuel in each that is still off with z

next cycle they should all turn off and on at once

there's this little quirk with this design that it needs to be bootstrapped manually

[steep spindle]

they are all off

but they dont all kick on

[slim kelp]

ok, now place 1 fuel manually only in those that didn't kick in

[steep spindle]

done

[slim kelp]

allright, now monitor the combinator, it should go above 10k

[slim kelp]

then all output inserters off

[steep spindle]

looks so

[slim kelp]

yeah it still runs for a while, until fuel runs out

it will go up to 18-20k or something like that

then once the fuel runs out, each reactor will have just the spent fuel in it, waiting

[steep spindle]

now when that dips back to 10k all will reignite?

[slim kelp]

yeah, that should happen

[steep spindle]

ah, that may have been messed up when the power grid got yeeted

[slim kelp]

well it's just 3 minutes, we can wait and see what happens

if not all turn off, they still have extra fuel in them (more than 1)

which kinda messes things up

[steep spindle]

combinator is at 16k

[slim kelp]

allright, now monitor the combinator for under 10k

how much are you consuming ?

[steep spindle]

prolly not accurate because there is a steam boiler set up still

its at 10k now

[slim kelp]

ah, only about 1/3 of capacity

[steep spindle]

bam, they all went

[slim kelp]

well, I guess this is solved

[steep spindle]

yup, thank you

[slim kelp]

they'll keep doing so until you hit 5.4 gw consumption

at that point they'll never turn off since steam will always be below 10k

[slim kelp]

oh wow, you have some big solar too

[slim kelp]

damn, lol

[steep spindle]

this giant field

[slim kelp]

okay, good luck with the rocket

are you producing the components ?

[steep spindle]

going to work on that now

I have the LDS's

[slim kelp]

👍

[steep spindle]

yay it backed up

lol

[slim kelp]

yeah no wonder... the reactor is only at 1/3 capacity

and you're producing something like twice the full capacity...

trying to fix the wrong problem :P

[steep spindle]

whoops haha

[slim kelp]

and kovarex 🤦‍♀️

[steep spindle]

Putin couldn't figure out how I broke it

[slim kelp]

the design is use is fully automatic (but it uses logi bots so for 1000x not really a good idea)

similar to this but it has extra combinators to auto-start and auto-recover after a blackout

as in, completely running out of fuel, it self reignites, pretty awesome :)

but for an 1000x game tbh I wouldn't bother, would just run the standard setup 100% of the time

because whatever, who cares about saving fuel

you're literally swimming in that nuclear fuel :P

[steep spindle]

ah

contemplated this so I could do fuel for trains

[slim kelp]

yeah I can imagine it's useful... but still, 500k. Ouch

[steep spindle]

everything is still on coal

[slim kelp]

lol

it's not like you haven't researched rocket fuel a long time ago :P

[steep spindle]

I did, but dont have the blueprint to support running a train around for that

making my own rail BP's soon

[slim kelp]

good, good.

[steep spindle]

these are not mine and I don't like them

they work on tiny x1 games

because this

about to yeet some signals

[slim kelp]

massively oversized stackers

the max stacker size should be total chest capacity in the station divided by train capacity

which is usually in the order of 3 to 5

there's absolutely no reason to have more lines, since more trains won't result in more items in the station buffer

[modern citrus]

6 steel chests per wagon gives you 7.2 wagonloads for any vanilla homogeneous load. 48x6=288. 288/40=7.2

Iron chests would be 4.8 and wooden a mere 2.4

[slim kelp]

ah, 6... I use 4, since 4 stack inserters are enough to fill a belt

so 48x4 / 40 = 4.8

[modern citrus]

I use 6 as the more chests (with enough room in them) the faster the train gets filled or unloaded

[slim kelp]

true, but I'm not sure the station waiting is the main bottleneck...

train slowing down and accelerating is probably consuming 1/3 of the total time spent per train in station

overall I found out that with 4 chests per wagon (assuming full tech, stack size 12) the output or input belt can go non-stop, as long as there's a next train in line waiting

so 6 won't provide any benefit at all, the limitation is the belt coming to each wagon

[steep spindle]

thats it for tonight, massive progress

I just have to fix steel and I'm good

[vagrant anchor]

Spm?

[steep spindle]

6k /
4k (with resources)
2.3k
900

[slim kelp]

9 more hours ? oooh, definitely time to increase the purple a bit

btw, did you prepare the rocket parts in the mean time ?

[steep spindle]

Yeah it won't go anywhere at the moment because no steel anyway

[steep spindle]

Have all but the rocket fuel ready, preparing that tonight

[slim kelp]

so increase the steel then ;-)

[steep spindle]

That was the train dead lock issues I was dealing with yesterday

[slim kelp]

so, did you add more routes ?

[steep spindle]

Yeah, it cleared up slightly. I need to add more modules to the steel

Proper rail blueprints would have actually solved these issues

Another reason I want to do personal bps come 2.0

[languid stump]

So close GGs!

[steep spindle]

Almost there 🙂

Also resolved your blueprint power issues

Wavetrex showed it to me, had to wait till they all drained and re add the fuel cells

[languid stump]

Yea that can happen if you don’t keep your fuel cell belt full

Prob should have engineered it to not happen if it’s not full but oh well xD

I just know not to let it not be full ig

[steep spindle]

It's good now lol

I have a mile long 60 I/s belt full

[mossy saddle]

[steep spindle]

😭😭

If this gets redone, the smelters are not going to be this close to the rest of the base

Because it's all train traffic

There were a couple people that wanted my world save yesterday and I contemplated that

[slim kelp]

not really, even if the blueprints are good, lack of track will still result in massive delays

there's no way around having lots of potential routes

the more trains you have, the more rectangles the network should have...

(they don't have to be equal, aka city blocks, but they do need to increase in numbers)

[steep spindle]

I dislike city blocks, been trying to find a way around it

2.0 goal, make rail BP's that aren't city blocks that work

Elevated rails go brrr

[slim kelp]

you don't have to do equal size areas... they can be randomly tiled, but still need to be multiple touching zones

if you try to do one single traffic lane, you already saw the result

[steep spindle]

It's sadness

Elevated rails gone make me a happy camper

[slim kelp]

probably

who knows what other quirks will those have...

[steep spindle]

Needing a million blue science for the silo is gonna be nice

[slim kelp]

better than a million of everything :P

[steep spindle]

True

[slim kelp]

my guess is the rockets themselves are going to be a lot cheaper too

[mossy saddle]

But I want to pay 20m a research

[steep spindle]

lul

[steep spindle]

stopping for the evening

[spark idol]

What do you do while you’re waiting

Make more blue science?

[slim kelp]

if that's the endgame, I would just do nothing (other than fixing temporary problems). If not, I think the main goal is to improve the train network

researching is 5 million points... without smooth train traffic, that will be very hard

[steep spindle]

Right now I'm fixing train network and getting the components ready for the silo

Went up 10% yesterday because I got a smelter working faster and moved a few intersections around

[slim kelp]

good good

[steep spindle]

Today's goal is another intersection and get the rocket fuel ready

[vagrant anchor]

#708269007098085448 message

@mossy saddle

Could be very very useful

[mossy saddle]

Who dares to summon me!

i don't have acces to the link

[steep spindle]

It does indeed say #unknown

[steep spindle]

HALF WAY POINT

1% more aquired

[mossy saddle]

xD I still love the random line going west

[steep spindle]

That line has a copper to it now haha

[mossy saddle]

it's an old relic from when your base was small

[quiet sandal]

skill issue :)

you have to be in the SE dev's server

[steep spindle]

Is there an SE server link

[mossy saddle]

What's the server linl

Link

[vagrant anchor]

Join SE discord

[mossy saddle]

I did sii

[steep spindle]

done for the night!

[long mauve]

nice progress! I dont think im ever catching up haha

[steep spindle]

12% today

[long mauve]

good progress

been a few days

[steep spindle]

massive progress right now

[steep spindle]

Have to stop tonight, will launch tomorrow evening in discord

[long mauve]

I got my first yellow science at 91 hours

[fervent ravine]

damn

[mossy saddle]

Did I miss it?!

You better stream it

[steep spindle]

You did not miss it. About 15hrs from now

[mossy saddle]

I won't be able to see it then record it!

[steep spindle]

Nice

You are closing in!

If you are online tonight fireball I'll be in discord streaming my launch

[languid stump]

Eyy!

[languid stump]

Speedy

[slim kelp]

awww, so close, but no cigar

so, is that tomorrow today ?

[steep spindle]

Yep, happening tonight

[long mauve]

ping me when you are about to launch :D

[steep spindle]

Will do

I planned on pinging people about when I logged in because there is about 5% left

Going from 62% to 93% last night was something else

[slim kelp]

so it was all waiting for steel

this game... takes just one small bottleneck to slowdown the entire damn thing :P

[steep spindle]

That and proper train signals

Literally a steel back up because rail issues

I want to either build a big enough smelter to load multiple trains at once, or separate them all off

[slim kelp]

oh well this was a good excercise for megabasing

as you noticed ... the game is just different for megabases

it's not simply just adding more miners and more power

[steep spindle]

Yeah definitely

My brain does want to design a bigger smelter though

Early game and non early game

[slim kelp]

this pattern, basically, applies to all, iron, copper, steel even (with a twist)

mod1, mod2, mod3, whatever suit your fancy, same thing (just belts and inserters need to be calibrated a bit)

[steep spindle]

I'm going to try and design something with dual belts

I have a design in mind, like my other one

[mossy saddle]

Hmmm not sure how you'll manage dat

[steep spindle]

Brain wants crazy

[mossy saddle]

It's a tight fit xD

[steep spindle]

LOL

Brain wants a smelter that will hold a whole base together

[mossy saddle]

Impossible!

[steep spindle]

Nothing is impossible

[mossy saddle]

There's never enough iron

[steep spindle]

[long mauve]

i think i overcorrected power by sending 16K bots out to make more power

it just dies in the night, which isnt the worst problem to have

[steep spindle]

ITS TIME TO FINISH THIS !

[mossy saddle]

I really got to sleep now sorry

it's 4am been waiting all day

sadly I can't see

[steep spindle]

I'll record it for you

@long mauve 🙂 you asked me to ping you

[long mauve]

over 400 hours now is crazy

[steep spindle]

we are in the channel in VC

🙂

20k to go!

99%

[long mauve]

100K yellow has been created! ill be launching soon enough I bet

[fervent ravine]

Bros got a country of solars

[long mauve]

thats how it has to be

[fervent ravine]

Solars for life

[long mauve]

I would do nuclear but there is no way im wasting that much research on it

[steep spindle]

well I learned today, that OBS is a POS and Nividia Shadowplay is a PoS

and the recording that existed doesnt exist

[slim kelp]

rip. lol. OBS works fine...

but congrats, what a huge effort !

[languid stump]

You did it!!! Congrats

[steep spindle]

thanks Putin!

[steep spindle]

Thanks Wave!

[slim kelp]

so what's next ?

[steep spindle]

Tomorrow I am start the x1 journey, or play satisfactory or something for a bit

but at the moment bed 🙂

[slim kelp]

yeah, might be a good idea to take a break from factorio after this ginourmous game...

rest well, take care o/

[steep spindle]

have a good night

[slim kelp]

it's 9 am for me ;)

[steep spindle]

1am here lol

[slim kelp]

yeah, I figured out that you're not anywhere close, starlink and stuff

[steep spindle]

I'm kinda wanting to design a smelter that can be upgraded to suite a whole base

[mossy saddle]

Congrats ggs!!

[steep spindle]

Thanks!

[long mauve]

While this can be accomplished you instead would probably want a smelter you can stamp down in different parts of the base so that train traffic does not become an issue

[steep spindle]

Makes sense

[spark idol]

Smelt your steel on site

[steep spindle]

I'm all over the place, and wanting something that might be to crazy w/o elevated rails

[slim kelp]

yea I don't think the graphics engine was designed for this

but on the base it looks pretty nice

three reactors (and a few titanic turbines, pocket change)

oh, I'm in 1000x

damn, too many channels :)

[mossy saddle]

damn so many roboports

whats your power?

[slim kelp]

pretty good. Roboports only consume when recharging bots, so you can have a lot of them easily without worry. But if bots are moving, yeah, they are sucking up the juice

closing on 40 hrs on this game

and again I'm in 1000x

err, nvm

[marble stream]

Launch every item in the gam /j

[spark idol]

I thought there was only the 3 items

[mossy saddle]

You got plenty of power no stress

[steep spindle]

Huh?

[spark idol]

Car science and satellite

[spark idol]

Oh mod idea

The rocket silo is unlocked early and you get a different science pack for launching each type of item

[steep spindle]

Sounds like space exploration

[mossy saddle]

It would be more pain then space exploration

[steep spindle]

True, but the functionality of it

[spark idol]

You would probably just have one rocket silo so you have to route inputs and outputs depending on what you need at any moment

[eager jacinth]

there's only 3 that do anything, but you can technically put anything in the payload slot

[spark idol]

So if you need to get rid of u238

[steep spindle]

x1k unmodded -> instant 20M

[long mauve]

Easily yeah

I have a million buffered for trains haha

[mossy saddle]

Very easy to achieve pain to get all the circuits with rss tho

[slim kelp]

I don't think you actually got it on steam. Once a save has been modded it is not valid anymore even if you load it unmodded

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I'm just trying to see quicker ways to get them haha

[slim kelp]

only by joining multiplayer on a true vanilla megabase which has never seen a mod

unfortunately, I don't have such a thing, all of mine are modded...

but you can keep building on the game from yesterday

allready all those copper and iron once starting to fully work will do the job pretty well, given enough time

[steep spindle]

This only works if the player has played on the MP world for more than 50% of the total world time / 2

[steep spindle]

Yeah I am trying to find a way to beat my friend to that achievement, they already have nearly 9M

[mossy saddle]

But you're ggs! The most crazy one out of all of us you can do it!

[steep spindle]

So do unmodded and expensive recipes

[mossy saddle]

That's exactly what I mean yes

[steep spindle]

Lmao

Already looked at other options. Might try a new world and just do as big a base I did with the x1k but do it with x1

Just to see how fast infinite science goes

[mossy saddle]

You can do it I believe in you

[steep spindle]

Still on your x1k?

[mossy saddle]

I had quit for some time cus funeral things

Might start next week

[steep spindle]

Sorry to hear that

[mossy saddle]

Well shit happens

I'll keep you up to date next week tho if I'll play or not just taking a break now

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

Directly after my achievement running in going back to the x1k world I think

[modern citrus]

Ok

[steep spindle]

I think trying to optimize the base and add military science before 2.0 would be kinda fun

[inland kelp]

o/

[steep spindle]

Did you start the crazy x1k?

[inland kelp]

Yep! So far so good