High Science Multiplier

[slim kelp]

don't "think", go try it

[vagrant anchor]

i will if i have the time

maybe later this year

[slim kelp]

50000 points for the turrets and 50000 for the flammables, not expensive at all, no :))

100000 for oil processing, another 30000 for military tech

yeah that's more resources than the entire normal x1 game, by a few times

[steep spindle]

I didn't get anywhere in my world last night, because I was helping a friend who just bought the game

[slim kelp]

cool, more players !

[modern citrus]

I don;’t think that showing your science cost x1k game is going to do much but drive your friend away 😛

[steep spindle]

He wanted to immediately jump in my game lol

I had told him if I'm not finished by the time you get done with your first game you can jump in my game

Engineering brains 💪 lol

[slim kelp]

oh boy, here we go again...

[vagrant anchor]

compared to other techs that is

[steep spindle]

I might finally be able to stream factorio soon

[steep spindle]

Hehe! I know you'll blast it

[languid stump]

It’s happening

[steep spindle]

Now I really need to kick it into gear

[mossy saddle]

perfect can't wait

[spark idol]

I’ll look

[steep spindle]

Lots of friends have been constantly asking me recently too

[slim kelp]

you don't need to worry about it, I'm on default resources... this will be a slow painful process

I should write down somewhere how many patches I'm eating up :)

[mossy saddle]

will you do the x1000?

[steep spindle]

Oh trust me, I've been stuck on resource hell for a week

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[mossy saddle]

yes good

can't wait

[slim kelp]

logistics at 50%... after that it will be fine, but this manual moving of stuff stage is annoying :P

[languid stump]

I can’t believe you did it manual lol

But fair enough

[steep spindle]

I got that in 6 hrs

Damn

[stuck dove]

manual? I just made a mall then a 900 spm red base

easily made 30k science for logistics and lights

(not in that order)

[steep spindle]

I didn't get lights till I wanted solar

[stuck dove]

it's nice being able to see
though more than half my power consumption was lights

[steep spindle]

Twitch/Yt your prolly right

[slim kelp]

hooray !

not too bad, but wasn't willing to invest more effort in building things I'm going to demolish as soon as Logi is researched...

[steep spindle]

Let the smelter stacks begin!

[spark idol]

Tag me if you do streaming

[steep spindle]

It will def be 2.0 launch, but I want to before that

[spark idol]

Yea I wanna catch it

[slim kelp]

first batch of automated completed... now about those starter resources... ouch, they are vanishing quickly !

[long mauve]

no upgraded ore richness or size im guessing is what you are trying?

That seems doable assuming you can find more copper/iron patches close to eachother later on for more red/green science

[steep spindle]

What SPM you aiming for?

[slim kelp]

450 spm for red for now... (green too, once it's researched)

will probably push it to 900 once I get red belt

but I think I should immediately start the 2nd iron and copper patches because this one will not last to ...

[steep spindle]

frantically throwing grenades

[slim kelp]

going nice, now I can build in peace, knowing stuff is happening :)

[slim kelp]

100% all, default settings lol

[slim kelp]

yeah I'll have to grab tens of patches, no doubt !

[long mauve]

yeah it will be fun! if you go the trains route, itll be a bunch of trains zipping around

[steep spindle]

casually using 3k grenades to delete a forest

[slim kelp]

yeah, expecting that, lots of tiny trains :P

[modern citrus]

Beats feeding it to the furnaces doesnt it?

[long mauve]

have you decided on a size

ive done 1-4 and like it, I just realized I still suck at train signalling ive had many deadlocks

[steep spindle]

I dont know why I've always stuck with 2-4

[long mauve]

the throughput increase from 1-4 to 2-4 isnt that good on this chart

[slim kelp]

1-4, I don't have network blueprints for bigger :P

and too lazy to make them

[slim kelp]

my network setup is fine, I almost never have deadlocks

there are waits/delays, but no deadlocks, it's just about not putting those pesky signals too close

[steep spindle]

speed increase

[long mauve]

I just tried a new way do train smelting and it has just caused pain

[steep spindle]

committing sadness

[long mauve]

too much throughput on 1 line, too little room for trains to wait before a station

[slim kelp]

technically I could do 1-4-1, but that only after logi bots

to feed requester chests for fuel

[steep spindle]

this was required last night

[slim kelp]

green!?

[tepid axle]

Advanced Belts

This mod added advanced belts, splitters and undergrounds belts.

Has support for loaders from other mods.

Owner

Warnone

Downloads

15850

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

ooooh, you are modded to sky and back...

nah, I'm doing peasant level factorio :P

[steep spindle]

thats the only game changing mod lol

[long mauve]

I consider companion bots game changing

thats the only one I have besides my usual QOL

[steep spindle]

I deleted that 🙂

[long mauve]

ah

same actually, because they somehow got into my roboports to make really fast bots

[slim kelp]

you deleted them, but you already did the start of the game with them so....

[long mauve]

I couldnt spend al that time hand building lol

[slim kelp]

game time 3:25 ... it's not so bad

I'm used to building a lot and quickly

from all the speedrunning stuff

[long mauve]

not bad!

[slim kelp]

there's an iron patch to the west and a copper one to the north, will probabil belt them in and increase to 900 spm even on , because it feels still too damn slow with 450

[long mauve]

i think I got above 2000 spm on red, it is so slow to research anything

[slim kelp]

yeah... kinda necessary, 1800 or so should be for red+green, it's overkill to build that much only for red, since there are so few techs red only

[steep spindle]

this is gonna require waterfall the other way isnt it

or because its 16 belts I'm not needing to actually split it off

[long mauve]

I dont think youd need waterfall if you have enough items on the blets. just route belts without splitters and make sure the belts are full

[steep spindle]

lul

need 8 belts of and

is gonna be interesting

think I'll get tonight

and work on

2 out of

have to head back, but I accomplished placing it on lunch

I need 3.91M

If I do plan to 100% this research before infinite tech because of the mods I'm using, I need to find a way to launch a thousand rockets for a million space science

[stuck dove]

how many full copper patches is that

[steep spindle]

That *20

78.2M plates

[stuck dove]

if you're multiplying by 20, does that mean no productivity?

[steep spindle]

W/o calculating that ig

My low density structure machines do have productivity in them though

[slim kelp]

progress !

it would be interesting to see Putin's factory when it launched

how big it had to grow to beat 1000x

[steep spindle]

@languid stump

[slim kelp]

I can imagine it was pretty large...

[steep spindle]

I finally decided to use bots

So I'm gonna just have the bots build it while I work on I think

[slim kelp]

oh definitely the way to go

I can't imagine doing this challenge without bots

in current run basically I'll only research strictly what's needed for bots

[steep spindle]

I did until 280hrs in

[slim kelp]

since there are no biters, it's a straight path with no deviations

assuming I get bots flying in 40 hrs, the game will be finished in anotehr 20 for sure

[steep spindle]

I wish you could click on an unresearched tech base game and all the techs needed for it go into the queue

[steep spindle]

Hence why I said I need to kick it in gear lol

[slim kelp]

because after bots... it's just copy/paste blueprints like mad :D

I have a bunch of blueprints like these

or this

drop 20 copies of this stuff, and the 2-3 million points to research the rocket and prerequisites is not really a big deal

[languid stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1188693488464834623/1195400588851154984/image.png?ex=65c64f8d&is=65b3da8d&hm=d42bd46072d1a25b5df438dbb9227e52b9e85ff71bf3d8eff1574e66f7623b35&

Not that big really

150 hours is a long time

AFK and large resource settings

[slim kelp]

oh I see, you built "enough" and just waited for it

well it seems pretty big though, judging by the roboport grid

[languid stump]

Yea

Near the end, roboports were the largest power consumer :D.

Just on construction

I also used zero trains

Favorite feature: lazy blue science River

[slim kelp]

yeah with enough resources, not really needed

[languid stump]

If your production line is gonna be 720 assemblers, may as well snake it in the direction of the labs xd

[slim kelp]

but damn that's a massive roboport grid

GGs, take note ;)

[steep spindle]

😭

[languid stump]

Want any tips wave?

[slim kelp]

not sure if they would apply to my game, I'm with default resources

[languid stump]

A few might :D.

[slim kelp]

well then, shoot !

[languid stump]

I think you wanna get robots before trains, it’s still somewhat cheap in the scheme of things. I would not plan for upgrading designs that are upgraded by hand, it’s better to just build a new set of furnaces than upgrade an old one

And uhhh speed modules in miners and prod modules 1 in the whole chain helps a lot

Oh and nuclear is trash on 1000x

I would go boiler or solar

[slim kelp]

well just the basic furnace to steel furnace, and the belts

those are quick and easy upgrades

not needing to scoop up anything

[steep spindle]

😭

[languid stump]

Kinda but for almost the same amount of time clicking you could be placing new ones idk

Which is a bit more craft speed added

It’s a lot of hand build is all

And I skipped trains to get bots

[slim kelp]

technically yes, practically all the linked stuff doesn't need to be rebuilt... but yea, I'm not going to go heavy on trains

[languid stump]

And then uh, remember beacons are actually kinda cheap still when it comes time for purple

75,000

[slim kelp]

yeah, definitely get beacons

especially since pollution is not an issue

I plan to use my oil power bp... since GGs didn't want to :P

[languid stump]

A car is really useful early on too, as with a nice mall you’ll be bottlenecked by inventory capacity

Walking from the spawn to production sites

[slim kelp]

find a new field - build near it to capacity, drag power poles

[languid stump]

And it lets you make power plants from distant coal or oil fields

[slim kelp]

indeed

[languid stump]

Probably need about 1-2 GW boiler power to get to bots depending on spm

[slim kelp]

pain :P

but oh well, that's the challenge :)

[languid stump]

So if you have any idle time you can just mine out entire coal patches xD

Default settings is gone be hard

Maybe you should just take your car and go elsewhere

A nice 20 min drive in one direction

[slim kelp]

pumpjacks + pipe + this... it's not really hard to build manually, mostly straight lines

178 MW x 10, should cover all the power needs

[languid stump]

After you get advanced oil processing, should be nice

[stuck dove]

thats a lot of connected steam pipes no?

[slim kelp]

yeah

[languid stump]

I really enjoyed speed1 miners for 60% speed boost

But maybe that only works with 600% size 600% richness :D.

[slim kelp]

yeah, standard res runs out very quickly

[languid stump]

I seriously think it might be worth driving really far from spawn

And making a new mall out there

No biters in the way… :D.

[slim kelp]

possible

on the other hand, it's more interesting to just grab and consume all the patches on the way

especially after bots, it's not really an issue, just slap a mining blueprint, a fully built station blueprint, and done

[languid stump]

Without an early bot mod, most of the struggle was before bots honestly

After that it was pretty simple

[slim kelp]

yeah I can imagine

[languid stump]

You’ll probably do better with it since you’re more used to speed runner style building

But that’s how I had to design stuff for blue science

[slim kelp]

the speedrunning stuff doesn't really apply

that's mostly designed that manual building and research are mostly in sync

[languid stump]

Eh I disagree they do a lot of stuff that lessens the needed mouse movements

Or total inserters used

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1188693488464834623/1192236148710449222/image.png?ex=65c406f0&is=65b191f0&hm=8689268d143ca3f3c889df2b4f7ed5ce6e661bb0903aa3cf5a72ea302bef3dd6&

[slim kelp]

but I do have bps for everything, so even if manually built, it's just QQQQQQQ

[languid stump]

This thing was gnarly to hand build for only 1.8k spm

I think I also did the lowest spm of anyone I’ve seen

Everyone else seemed to go 3.6k or higher

I ignored a LOT of tech

[slim kelp]

going for 3.6k with manual build ? that's insane.. nah

[languid stump]

The purple science build worked with stack size 2 :D.

[slim kelp]

1800 is the limit for me as well

at least until bots are flying

then I can increase to whatever I have patience to place down bps...

since you linked reds...

my bps is pretty easy to build, it's all straight lines with pairs of inserters which can be placed down while running

not sure how many of these I need for 1800 spm, but whatever the number is, just copies of the same thing

and this is also made around the idea of being easy to build by hand

loooong lines with pairs of inserters

one of these double yb of for 2x the above mentioned , repeat N times

I can imagine in yours this was pretty tough to build due to all the insertes pointing in various directions

oh well, I guess I'll find out ;) assuming I don't abandon the game in a week's time :D

[languid stump]

A lil bit yeah

I figured out a rhythm eventually but it was not the best of choices

Luckily wasn’t thaaaat large compared to the rest where I mostly did better stuff

[slim kelp]

in my game it will most likely have to be train based

since no single patch will be big enough to supply such a production like in your screenshot

[languid stump]

Yeah I’m worried you might want more spm to help with that

But maybe since building will take more time you won’t

[slim kelp]

more precisely, this setup

repeated a few times

[languid stump]

Yeah stations like that are gonna want stack size research tho

That stuff is expensive now

[slim kelp]

maybe I'll have a variation with the standard 4-inline, instead of the thin 2-inline

so stack size is not really relevant

[languid stump]

As long as you accommodate for it

[slim kelp]

not really sure how hard this will be to build by hand but.. oh well, if necessary....

[steep spindle]

Unknown

It wasn't bad but I had the drones

[steep spindle]

I've never made a 4 lane train rail

[slim kelp]

900.. that's as high as I want to go with and

[slim kelp]

yay

[steep spindle]

Cruising

[slim kelp]

sigh... and barely 3 sciences finished...

but at least resources secured... for now, I can wait

[steep spindle]

You got more created in 5 hrs than I did in 10 I think

[slim kelp]

well... I've been playing this game a bit longer than you, it would be sad if I didn't progress decently quick :P

[steep spindle]

I'm at about 1500 if you include before steam hours 🙂

[slim kelp]

not bad... but if I include "before steam" hours, I'm probably at 3500 :P

and none of them were afk, because I don't afk in games

[steep spindle]

@slim kelp ^

The was hand crafted 😂

[slim kelp]

yay

hmm, it's a tiny bit faster indeed

and I'm on default resources, no helper bots :D

[steep spindle]

6hrs ahead

[slim kelp]

ramping up !

[steep spindle]

bots

oops

[slim kelp]

well hopefully it's able to sustain 900 spm red+green

tiny patches are tiny ....

[slim kelp]

those are a lot of batteries...

[steep spindle]

all went to construction bots

soon to have stack size 10 and an build, life is good

dont question that train balancer for the copper... im doing magic

[slim kelp]

ffsake, already 100 MW...

this will get really painful once upgrading to

[slim kelp]

yay! Time to upgrade stuff

[modern citrus]

Woot’

[steep spindle]

places a blueprint down like....

yikes

[quiet sandal]

what is that, 15,000 of green and red circuits each?

and it's just prod 1s

[steep spindle]

yeah..... I'm scared of 2's and 3's

[quiet sandal]

why the efficiency modules in the efficiency module build lol

that's probably the one that gets used the least

[steep spindle]

I've lost the 4 's IO made for the silo

found 2 of em

LOL

[stuck dove]

can try running a deconstruct planner for "dropped items" across your base?

[steep spindle]

nope, just some cable I left in narnia

[stuck dove]

you can try blueprinting your entire base to get a list of items, so you can see if it was put in a machine?

[steep spindle]

that works?

[stuck dove]

might lag

[steep spindle]

haven't had lag yet, but I get what you mean

[quiet sandal]

if I tried to make a mall train and just leave it somewhere my whole factory would back up due to it eventually lol

[tepid axle]

Factory Search

Search your factory for items, fluids, entities, signals, tags and more with Shift + F. Displays a list of matching buildings: clicking on a result opens it in the map. Supports Space Exploration (works across all surfaces).
Control + Shift + Click on almost anything (e.g. built entity, inventory item, recipe) to open the search with that item selected.
Similar to BeastFinder and Where is it Made?

Owner

Xorimuth

Downloads

49565

[slim kelp]

1.35k, but I don't have enough materials to sustain it yet...

time to sleep, enough for today...

[steep spindle]

nice!

[mossy saddle]

congrats! are you also doing the x1000?

[steep spindle]

Yeah he is 🙂

[slim kelp]

... but damn, those patches are dying quickly...

rip starter copper and iron

[slim kelp]

definitely going to need trains for this one, 4 iron patches on the periphery and it's barely keeping up with the production... haven't started steel consumption yet

[marble stream]

In rocket silo construction site 2?

[slim kelp]

1500 ... slowly going up as I grab more patches

[slim kelp]

it's a weird mod where the silo is built in stages and is a ton more expensive than normally

[steep spindle]

Tooltips are bugged slightly, but yeh

[steep spindle]

9 hrs ahead of me >.<

[slim kelp]

so... what did you spend time on early game ?

I'm basically building non-stop, no matter if research is completed or not... I can set the recipe later

[steep spindle]

I think mine was just a lot of time spent trying to build a bus

[slim kelp]

this is bus based too

[steep spindle]

And I afked to much

[slim kelp]

this part looks pretty trippy ;)

[slim kelp]

ah.... that would explain it, indeed :)

[steep spindle]

When I got green I afked for like 10 hours or so, trying to figure out what to build. I did not have blueprints that could build giant

You created gears on the bus

[slim kelp]

4 belts of gears, still not enough

will need 6 going 100% for 1800 spm...

[steep spindle]

I didn't belt gear, I made it on site

[slim kelp]

well, a yellow belt can carry more gears than iron... so why not

I would need double amount of belts ...

in megabases resource compression is very useful

[steep spindle]

That makes sense

[slim kelp]

in small factories it's wasteful, but when already moving millions of iron bits per minute...

[slim kelp]

look at putin's setup, he's belting engines, something he wouldn't normally do in any "standard" game

I'll most likely have engine production right near some big iron patches, then train it in

since it only uses iron, nothing else, can be produced 100% local

[steep spindle]

I wish Putin would help me understand why his biplane keeps saying there is like 50k steam when there is 0 or like 3-4k tops

[languid stump]

hm

I dunno, did you disconnect some wires or sum?

mine has worked flawlessly for like 500 hours in my SE run

[steep spindle]

I just placed it, but I placed it 180°

[languid stump]

well hard for me to know without any pics or anything but here is mine

its got 2 power networks which is maybe not obvious

the solar / accum is its own grid

and I used way too many tanks prob lol but yeah the bottom ones will be full while top empties

[steep spindle]

I might need to look at the inner power network

[languid stump]

so are you turbines not working?

is there an actual issue or

[steep spindle]

They are the circuit says there is 45k steam when I don't see a tank over 5 steam

[languid stump]

pictures?

that doesnt seem possible

[slim kelp]

poor starter iron :P that's all that's left of it

[languid stump]

it was not ready for this

[steep spindle]

#vanilla-chat message

It starts there

I have to go into work but I don't know what the problem is. I can help you figure it out after work I guess

[slim kelp]

all working well, but damn, still sloooow

[slim kelp]

poor thing :)

[slim kelp]

rip copper too

[steep spindle]

I may need to look at the inner grid to see if I'm pulling from it I placed a few radars down

[languid stump]

Your belt of fuel was not full

In that pic

[steep spindle]

O.o

Yeah the used fuel cells backed it up

[languid stump]

So that means some reactors probably dumped a cell and couldn’t pick one up at same time

[steep spindle]

How would I fix?

[languid stump]

Make sure each reactor has 1 cell

Either burning or empty inside of it

[steep spindle]

And the belt full again

[languid stump]

Mhm

[steep spindle]

Was trying to understand the damn steam, but if that is the case, that's understandable

Might jump into the realm of expensive recipes

After this world

The buddy I was showing this game is already at rocket launch and his base is 15 hrs old

[slim kelp]

back in force with renewed strength, that should sustain the 1800 spm for a while

soooon... choo choo

might as well start building the arrays for while I wait...

[steep spindle]

That's the one thing I struggled with. Building the next science ahead of time

[slim kelp]

yea, understandable, fortunately I have a very repeatable set of blueprints which can be used on this scale as well

for example, all that will be just assemblers...

it will have a "local bus" to the left to feed it, via trains

1800spm, no chance of doing more with default resources, already spread out a ton just to keep red/green working

look at all the belts going out... and it's barely holding

⚰️

first field fully down

[steep spindle]

😭☠️

[slim kelp]

not gonna get that achievement for sure :P

[steep spindle]

😂

I got that at 23:54

So you still are about 10hrs ahead

I think it was because I immediately went trains

[slim kelp]

finally I can get to places quickly...

[steep spindle]

I'm bottleneck because of my stupid train layout now

[slim kelp]

look at that nice rail crossing the factory ;-)

anyway, objective complete... enough for today, next episode... tomorrow, probably

[steep spindle]

Looks neat

I'm hoping I can get done tonight

[slim kelp]

good luck !

[steep spindle]

Acid will be the issue I think

[steep spindle]

@languid stump here is what I meant

[languid stump]

Idk

[steep spindle]

now granted I don't have a power failure atm

[languid stump]

No problem then

Not sure how you have it messing up so much

[steep spindle]

I did notice something with the 2 power grids

I had 4 radars pulling to much

[languid stump]

Mm

Yea

[steep spindle]

I think thats what did it tbh

[spark idol]

Fast inserters on the reactors

[languid stump]

Fast inserter good

[steep spindle]

ITS ALIVE!

[steep spindle]

When originally building this bp it said 2 belts... After building it, it says 16

Jeez

Supplying 32 belts LOL

[slim kelp]

seems a bit inefficient use of beacons.. but I guess you're rich enough

just a suggestion... fancy green belts not really needed

[steep spindle]

I'm just trying to understand why it wanted to much of a difference

[slim kelp]

each beacon in a setup like mine affects 8 assembers (assuming there's another row on each side), with the exception of beacons on the edges, where they affect just 4

in your picture, a beacon affects only two assemblers

basically, you're using 4 times more beacons than necessary

[steep spindle]

So I could re make that built

[slim kelp]

with the associated power use (and at least the modules are cheap)

but I've seen stuff like that using , which is ouch.... lots of resources sunk into modules that affect only one or two machines

[steep spindle]

I'mma re do that when I get home

[slim kelp]

for now, leave it if it works... just saying, things can be improved for future builds

[steep spindle]

Well, I'm prolly using way to much power on it

Because I need to make the rest of the stuff for yellow

is the same resource in

So I need to solve now not later

[slim kelp]

blue chips can be done with the 8-8 beacon setup as well (despite having that pipe). It's tricky, but possible

well, you have to pick your poison, belt weaving pretty much mandatory, otherwise no chance

it gets even worse with high tier modules

these things eat so many , it's nuts

[steep spindle]

Interesting

[slim kelp]

the top bp is somewhat easy.. the bottom one broke my brain to create...

[steep spindle]

I can belt weave with the other one too

[slim kelp]

ah yes, you have 4 belt types

[marble stream]

Have you tried direct insertion?

[slim kelp]

I can imagine some crazy weaving can be done with those

[slim kelp]

that loses beacon efficiency

and is actually worse, since you have to carry even MORE resources (iron, copper), instead of just chips

[marble stream]

That saves on inserter ups
Maybe

[slim kelp]

don't care about ups... not playing on an ancient i3...

[marble stream]

In x1000?
But okay

[steep spindle]

My 5900x is still sneezing on my base

[slim kelp]

I have yet to see the limits of this CPU no matter how big I built

5800X3D is just wrecking factorio

[marble stream]

If your x1000 factory is not limited by UPS it's too small

[steep spindle]

5900x at 5.4

It just hauls ass

[slim kelp]

yeah

x1000 is still small, but I've built "standard" megabases with 2700 spm or more

solid 60 fps, no slowdown whatsoever

despite using nuclear for power

cpu was barely working ...

[steep spindle]

Everyone complaining about UPS up here has other issues. My CPU doesn't go above 5% playing factorio

[slim kelp]

it's pretty insane how fast these modern cpus are compared to some from just a few years ago

they aren't like... 20% faster, they are 5 times faster than some 2010s i5's or so

[steep spindle]

The I7 6700k at 4.8 wasnt having issues either

[slim kelp]

next upgrade is Zen5 X3D next year

I don't think I'll ever build a factory big enough to reach the limits of that future cpu

[steep spindle]

I want an x3D for "science" reasons

[slim kelp]

it's just "smoother", not faster, but has fewer (or no) dips (1% lows) than the normal cpus

so overall probably a better experience, constant framerates

[steep spindle]

Was told they are better for editing/streaming

[slim kelp]

(not talking about this game... saying in general)

not really

it's actually slower overall than the "normal" ones (like yours), lower clocks

but the huge cache results in little to no stutters in any game

but I have no idea how streaming would influence things... another program running and consuming cpu/cache...

[steep spindle]

My CPU doesn't have issues, but I stream on my gpu

Oced 3080

[slim kelp]

cool cool :)

I noticed something today, yesterday... something was done to factorio, or a change in steam... It literally launches instantly

I click on factorio, see the steam launching app window for a second or two, the screen goes black and a second later I'm in the menu

[steep spindle]

I wondered if that was just me

[slim kelp]

like, I can't see the loading bar anymore

[steep spindle]

Do you have a lot of mods

[slim kelp]

not really, basic qol stuff (and cache is active)

it was always fast (after learning about the cache thing), but not it's ridiculously fast

the game launches like I'm starting Notepad or something :))

the independent (non-steam) version would probably be even faster, click -> BOOM menu

[slim kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-train-tracks-work-swift-fast-gif-3793283

train based exploration ;-)

[slim kelp]

found the location for production, ~30m copper should do it

still no place good enough for engines, unfortunately

[mossy saddle]

Are your resources on railworld setting?

[slim kelp]

100% default...

[mossy saddle]

It'll be interesting for your resources 👀

[slim kelp]

and gee, I forgot how crappy default is for megabasing... so change of plans, will make mining outposts everywhere and centralize smelting and production, not worth building anywhere outside, the resources are just going to run out

[mossy saddle]

How much SPM are you going for?

[slim kelp]

here comes the beehive

[mossy saddle]

Well I'm blocked in by biters so I can't really chose where to build 🥲

[slim kelp]

at the moment is close to 1800, but will probably increase everything to 2700 once the beehive is operational

biters on x1000 ? You're brave.

[mossy saddle]

I've had to put them on passive at the start they were active but kept eating my power only + the meteors kept hitting my power supply or my research only xD

It gets mildly infuriating

I'll have to look for an image or make.one when I'm back home

[slim kelp]

I find K2SE daunting as it is, normal settings...

You must have a ton of free time to even attempt it with x1000 lol

and with biters on LOL

true masochism

[slim kelp]

and it begins... slowly

[mossy saddle]

Not the first time someone says it 👀

[slim kelp]

first delivery !

[mossy saddle]

Nkce job!

Nice

Can't wait to see you have red belts!

[slim kelp]

I have red belts, but I don't have the inserter power to actually use them yet

no point in making red belt stations with stack size 1 blue inserters...

it will take another million points to switch to my red belt stations with

anyway, it's slowly starting to look like a megabase :P

[quiet sandal]

I’ve got a 7700X, I think I’ll wait until the 4th gen on AM5

[steep spindle]

How is that handling? I looked at that chip but the 7900 version

[quiet sandal]

Really well

I haven’t had any issues other than the standard early adopter issues with RAM

It’s plenty fast

[steep spindle]

Ah are you a SAM user to?

[slim kelp]

scary 1:2 trains are scary... almost got run over :P

[quiet sandal]

I got my motherboard, CPU, and RAM in a bundle so I only paid the cost of the motherboard and CPU, only problem is my RAM isn’t officially supported by my motherboard, I’ll have to update the BIOS at some point and play with it again to see if I have better stability now

[quiet sandal]

Nah, I haven’t tried enabling SAM

[steep spindle]

If you read general chat yet wave I did credit you 🙂

[steep spindle]

Requires amd graphics too

[quiet sandal]

I’ll have to see if I can do it with my 3060 Ti

I did have one really odd issue with my CPU though

[steep spindle]

Last I heard unless they changed it, what was that?

[slim kelp]

ah, tnx, yea, but it wasn't about the credit, I just didn't remember if I sent the bp or just a picture

[quiet sandal]

So the iGPU runs together with the dedicated GPU, allowing it to perform lighter tasks and keep your GPU prioritized on heavier ones

[steep spindle]

Ah, just a photo. I wanted to see if I could remake it

[quiet sandal]

But I found that when it’s enabled it caused opening steam from the windows taskbar to be delayed by like 45 seconds

I disabled the iGPU’s drivers and it fixed that

[steep spindle]

Geeez

[slim kelp]

now the question is... how many do I need ... 🥺

oh, it's designed exactly for one of those blocks... so 20 of them for 1800 spm... geeez

well, I'd better get started

sigh...

Yay first million

[mossy saddle]

Congrats!!!

[quiet sandal]

a mere 16 hours

[mossy saddle]

It took me so long just to get 20k no way that I can get sub 16 1m red science xd

[slim kelp]

hehehehe.... it's gonna be fun :D

[mossy saddle]

You can do it buddy

[slim kelp]

well you are playing K2SE, completely different story

[mossy saddle]

Didn't it take long for your first 20k for undies?

[slim kelp]

long, not really, but annoying, I basically spent an entire hour running around with inventory full of plates

moving them between chests

[mossy saddle]

xD I had that with fuel

[slim kelp]

something like this

[slim kelp]

what I dislike about K2 and SE... coal is so pathetic, it runs out faster than wood on vanilla

I understand that it's done to promote the higher fuels, but damn, still sucks

[mossy saddle]

Yeah I went straight to processed fuel for my boilers

Great for pollution

[slim kelp]

anyway, with signals researched, the only missing piece of the puzzle is circuits, once that is done the game will only be limited by my building speed

station after station after station... once I have some 10 iron and 5 copper patches in the network I'll probably build for 2700 spm or even 3600, because those 300-500 k points researches are looking very scary

or maybe just suffer with 1800 until bots, that's an option too

can't say I'm looking forward to build everything that's already built, AGAIN....

[vagrant anchor]

1.8k upgrade to 3.6k with red belts steel furnaces

thats what i did

it works quite well

though with vanilla 1.8k should be fine as well since the science costs are less

you can also just upgrade all asm1s to asm2s to go from 1.8k to 2.7k

[slim kelp]

they are already am2

[vagrant anchor]

but you can also leave space and just use asm1s for everything

hmm

did you leave space for expansion?

[slim kelp]

not really :P but I have trains and signals, so it doesn't matter... I can build anywhere

[vagrant anchor]

as in in the production line

like, extending belts out so you can copy paste it to double the asm1s

[slim kelp]

it's not really planned or anything, just progressing wherever...

[vagrant anchor]

ohh damn...

yeah trains are a lifesaver here

those patches suck

[slim kelp]

yeah, default settings ftw :))

[mossy saddle]

Always fun with default!

[slim kelp]

it's not really factorio if not playin with choo-choo!

engines are being made, a few of them... for now

[mossy saddle]

Ggs has a huge print for them xd

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

you enjoyed making it

[steep spindle]

Yes, but it was a pain in the ass haha

[slim kelp]

the engine train

[marble stream]

Why mad

[slim kelp]

unloading to science

[slim kelp]

time to begin the massive copper smelters for

not yet sure where to place it...

probably this area here will all be dedicated to chips

[vagrant anchor]

Later on are you gonna do onsite smelting

After getting bots like moving very far from spawn and doing onsite smelting and stuff

[slim kelp]

no specific plans, but I do plan to switch to a normal 2-lane train network after bots

this single track one is temporary, because I'm too lazy to build double track by hand

[slim kelp]

the backup of the backup of starter iron (which is long gone) is also dying... I need the 4th backup now to keep red/green tech operational :P

already consumed 9.2 M iron :P

[steep spindle]

Wow

[steep spindle]

I hope to have done tonight with that build from yesterday

[slim kelp]

the new backup will be by train so that should not die... final destination :)

[slim kelp]

gl !

then waiting for some 2 million points :P

[steep spindle]

Well the robo frames

Don't know how to build that yet

[mossy saddle]

Ooh I haven't seen the blue chips!

[slim kelp]

I think that's it for today... got a few iron and copper stations... tomorrow starting to build for

[slim kelp]

batteries, steel... pretty easy

also tomorrow... 🤦‍♂️ ... not really sure how this will go, the oil patches are TINY

[steep spindle]

I'll figure it out I 🤔

[steep spindle]

That sounds like a challenge

[languid stump]

Luckily you still don’t need that much for blue sci

[slim kelp]

probably a huge underground pipe network and pumps everywhere

[languid stump]

Are you skipping trains for bots too?

Oh nvm

[slim kelp]

hmm?

[languid stump]

Use trains :p

[slim kelp]

200k for fluid wagons... so NO

[languid stump]

Oh lol

Barrels

[slim kelp]

that might work yes

[steep spindle]

It's a lot yeah

[slim kelp]

but tbh long pipes are okay...

it's just iron, got plenty of that

[languid stump]

Ye

Just not as flexible later

[slim kelp]

well later the bots can change things... it's just about how much effort i need to put in stuff before them

20 hrs now... not really sure if I can make it to 40 hrs for bots

[languid stump]

I remember the feeling well :p

[slim kelp]

MAYBE, but still a ton to build to research them...

this entire area will be filled with smelting just to feed

[steep spindle]

That's crazy

[slim kelp]

look who's talking, you and your huge almost done factory :)

[steep spindle]

True, I'm also looking at and tho

I need 1k rocket launches for a tech

[slim kelp]

well you get the win screen at first launch either way

it's up to you if you actually want the space science...

I won't bother with that, finishing it will be enough... will just load the car in it, and off we go, bye stupid planet :P

[steep spindle]

xD

[vagrant anchor]

You can if you rush a bootstrapped setup quickly

Like maybe just 900spm

[slim kelp]

a tad slow :P

[slim kelp]

soon...

[slim kelp]

4 arrays complete = 2 yb of ... not enough for science, but at least it should be enough for some massive deployment

[slim kelp]

the backup of the backup of the backup is drying out...

12M iron consumed so far...

[slim kelp]

734 MW of coal power... probably won't be enough...

yay!

[slim kelp]

finally !

[languid stump]

I didn’t end up using that many greens in my run

Heresy for me I know

[slim kelp]

I'm on default resources... coal is quite rare and vanishing fast...

[slim kelp]

and if possible I would rather not build giant solar and battery fields...

[modern citrus]

Solid fuel boilers then? Or trying to wait on nukes?

[languid stump]

Nukes are kinda bad on x1000 I think

The tech cost is so high that it’s not cheap anymore

[steep spindle]

Yeah it was interesting getting to it

[slim kelp]

solid fuel will be, compensating the coal

dirty steam all the way baby!

power use already shrunk by 1/5 and there's still hundreds of things to put into

[steep spindle]

Damn

[slim kelp]

come on already, stupid research...

[slim kelp]

well that was fast

[slim kelp]

petgas immediately went kaflooey the moment I turned on the chemical tech... pfff

[steep spindle]

Hehe

My sulfuric acid will probably do the same thing when I activate tonight

[slim kelp]

still researching red/green tho

need stack inserter badly for the train stations

[quiet sandal]

10x faster than GGs

[slim kelp]

now we're talking !!

nah, just a tiny bit faster

[languid stump]

Trains cost so much tech :D.

That why I skipped

But yeah they’re helpful afterwards

[slim kelp]

these were an absolute pain to build manually, despite knowing them well and using them for years

but now I should have petgas in decent quantities :)

I sincerely don't believe I built so much by hand... (+mining outposts)

[steep spindle]

😭

My next x1k will have no afk

He also has blue print galore

[slim kelp]

true, without bps it would have been more annoying

however, these aren't exactly designed for such huge scale...

basically, in a normal game I would use a single one... not 20 copies

[slim kelp]

no choice with these shitty resources... I've eaten 6 or 7 fields already

would have needed to keep moving belts ... much simpler to build a rail in another direction

[languid stump]

makes sense

my ore patches were eternal so that was convenient

[steep spindle]

I'm hoping I can get a rocket launched this weekend

[quiet sandal]

😭

I'm well past 100 hours and haven't built chem yet

[steep spindle]

Lul wave also has quite a few more hours then I do

[slim kelp]

you better hurry because I'm 3 researches away from bots ^.^

okay, 5 not three, but still, close

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

we'll make a speedrun for x1000

how much hours does wave have?

[steep spindle]

32 it looks like

That's nearly 2 days awake

[mossy saddle]

look at your hrs silly goose

that's probably 10d awake

think?

i

[steep spindle]

340/24

14.2 days

[steep spindle]

😭☠️

[mossy saddle]

damn thats alot I haven't played yet

I'm like 1m away from the solar beam

I can't do it

[steep spindle]

I'm hopefully getting the launch this weekend

[mossy saddle]

wat stage are you at on your siloN

?

[steep spindle]

0

Not researched

Need 1.3M

I kinda wanted to wait for science tech but that's a whole 2M more science

[mossy saddle]

better to go for the other one then xD

[steep spindle]

Just research it while waiting for it to build

Lol

[slim kelp]

so I'm working in this area building belts and stuff... and every 20-30 seconds my heart jumps

[steep spindle]

Don't get ran over, or it's welcome to the club! 😀

[slim kelp]

not happened yet

I look when I cross rails ... (including in RL, doh !)

it's just that belts sometimes push me towards the track :P

still, a bee zooming nearby at full speed.. still shakes me a bit :)

they go by quite often :P

[steep spindle]

Damn

[slim kelp]

oh great, I was building my engines arrays and wondering why the belt with engines doesn't get thicker... looks like the iron patch feeding the steel is dying too... gr8t, just gr8t

[steep spindle]

Big yikes

[slim kelp]

it's almost done... but now I have to make more steel ... somewhere

[steep spindle]

That's the main reason I stopped playing my x1 default from .12 world

[slim kelp]

anyway, I'm stopping for the day

tomorrow hopefully reaching 1800 spm for , maybe

[steep spindle]

Good luck

[slim kelp]

to you too to get it done already !

[steep spindle]

I'm trying 😭

Need robo frames

And RCUs

[slim kelp]

oooh, you still have plenty of work to do

[steep spindle]

Can't catch a break

[modern citrus]

Biters be happy to give you many breaks. They won’t even ask which vertebra, they assume all of them

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

🦗 ...

nobody else playing 1000x ? I'm only seeing my pictures in the last couple of days

[spark idol]

I’m on no spoon rn

I’ll maybe go back after this

1000x builds look like shapez factories

[steep spindle]

I am, just haven't posted in here for a bit

[modern citrus]

I’m playing it but not putting pics of it

[slim kelp]

yeah they kinda have repetitive patterns

no way around it, considering how much is needed for those sciences to complete this century...

[steep spindle]

True

I have things to do this weekend or I would be finishing up

[slim kelp]

I was busy today with other things...

didn't have time to play

wedding expo, might go tomorrow as well to take more pictures

[spark idol]

Which one is you

[slim kelp]

so... your changes of finishing the x1000 increase

[slim kelp]

the one behind the camera :))

[spark idol]

Oh

You’re a photographer

[slim kelp]

yeah, that's how I live on this earth... and why I have time to play games, most of the work is weekends

[languid stump]

I kinda finished but I check your pics here and there :D.

[slim kelp]

yeah I know... too bad I wasn't around while you played yours

[languid stump]

One assembler and 2 steel chests :3

[slim kelp]

would have been interesting to see the progress

[languid stump]

Maybe it’s just since SE is so long but it felt kinda basic

Yours is much harder with default settings ore

I built a mall using the starter patches and all the science production used other ones

And I’d just find a new cluster of ore patches for each new thing, make long belts.

[slim kelp]

yeah, 50% of the time spent was chasing resource patches

but... another day or two and bots should make that much easier

[languid stump]

My starter iron never depleted :p

Well. It had about 2 drills left at the end.

And I used speed1 miners too, so yea

I honestly played it for a very small amount of time. Mostly afk

Hardest part was definitely making purple science with low inserter stack size

Cause I wanted prod 3 / speed3 8 beacon but, the rail throughput is high

And my inserters shitty

Or maybe the hardest part was summoning the will to hand build the enormous blue science setup

[slim kelp]

I think I'll research that

even if it's half a million points

but it's half a million of just red/green

I could make a giant 5400 spm array of red/green with bots, get it finished, then dismantle it

[languid stump]

Yea, it’s a lot harder to buffer all the blue science you would have made during that time, but can be done

Or I guess with your trains and limited resources you might not care as much yea

I suppose that was a personal issue for me, having each science with its own supply chain

I would suggest for purple science to use prod1 electric furnaces to smelt your ores

[slim kelp]

chests are cheap :))

but that would mean going for nuclear

otherwise no chance to sustain the power

[languid stump]

Or a solar field…. Far away

You can load up a train and make a separate robot network

The solar felt quite good to me

Or lots of solid fuel might be nice

Near the end when I was close, you can also allow the old coal stuff to kick back into action

And quickly build some more coal for final power surges

[slim kelp]

we'll see how it goes with default resources, so far it's somewhat stable, but all of them are visibly shrinking

one of the reasons I've advanced decently throuigh the tech with just 1500-1800 spm is that it worked continuously, non-stop

keeping the research array operational was build priority... only when it had enough resources to operate all in green I spent time building other things

I have a feeling in GGs game it sat idle a long time

otherwise I can't explain why it took 100+ hrs for him to reach the point where I got in 25

[mossy saddle]

The one in the pink dress on the left looks pissed off what did you do!

[slim kelp]

let's not get too offtopic, one picture is enough :P

[slim kelp]

and all the supporting resourcing... which is the problem I'm facing right now, the blue science arrays are finished, but nowhere near enough resources to feed it

friday I almost finished the engines array, only to notice that I have less than 50% of the required steel, and even that one is dying

[mossy saddle]

You have a great camera tho aristo

[slim kelp]

tnx, it's decent... albeit getting a bit old

[mossy saddle]

Oh which one are you using?

[slim kelp]

but I'll continue to use it until it breaks, we've kinda reached peak photography... there's not much to improve in this area

sensor pixel counts have reached the ability of glass to difract light coherently... adding more pixels won't make clearer pictures

[slim kelp]

panasonic lumix g9

also, not that we need clearer pictures... a high-end monitor or TV is 4K, or 8 megapixels... and cameras are 24 or more already

and since we're in a factorio server, here's factorio in 8K resoultion ( 32 megapixels )

[mossy saddle]

Is that your research design o-o?

[slim kelp]

it's an old game, megabase from some 2 years ago or more

just used it for the 8K screenshot

[long mauve]

I am however I haven’t had much to share, just got some basic on-site ore smelted

[slim kelp]

ah good, well, as much as it is, share!

[mossy saddle]

I'll show mine too when I get home gonna be pretty late

[steep spindle]

I'll SS my base when I'm on next

Been helping my buddy fire rockets left and right, because he also wants to do the 2.0 x1k journey

The buddy who just bought the game like 4-5 days ago lol. Already blasting silo rockets

[mossy saddle]

Nice we're with 3 then

[slim kelp]

👍

[mossy saddle]

You doing the same aristo?

[slim kelp]

well that's what I've been saying, that I'm only seeing my screenshots in the past few days

so... looking forward to seeing other's

[mossy saddle]

Oh I mean when SA comes, directly going x1000

[slim kelp]

Aaaah, probably no

Also, who knows how long until they release it

Might be end of year, or 2025

[steep spindle]

Yeah, he's got hype

[mossy saddle]

Great job motivating ggs

[steep spindle]

Loving engineering brains

[slim kelp]

engines are done... now the bottleneck is red chips...

[steep spindle]

Wow

My engine build did not look like that

[slim kelp]

my mono-line network is starting to buckle... lots of trains waiting instead of moving, there's just too much traffic

[slim kelp]

we each have our own styles

I'll probably have to limp through it until it's done...

[steep spindle]

Interesting 1-2's?

[slim kelp]

yeah, I have a whole set of bps for 1-2 on a single line

[steep spindle]

🤔

Neat

[slim kelp]

look at all the little bypasses ;-)

[quiet sandal]

A wedding expo?

Is it like a lot of different weddings all at once or a giant advertisement thing for wedding companies

Either way neither make much sense to me

[slim kelp]

giant advertising thing

we're still doing things old school here, not everything is online ;)

people want to see and touch

[long mauve]

I worry about the eventual throughput limitations by 1 track

[slim kelp]

first conversion done manually, there was just too much traffic on this little portion

[slim kelp]

yeah, was already hitting it for a few hours

[long mauve]

its just so much traffic in 1000x yeah

[slim kelp]

looks like they are all moving again, just this line was holding up the entire network

right... time to make batteries somewhere

[long mauve]

construction robots will help you so much :D cant wait

[slim kelp]

not bad, will reach the goal of 40 hrs probably

[long mauve]

I think I was around that time?

[slim kelp]

definitely possible with 1800 spm, probably even faster

[long mauve]

42

im working on boring stuff right now, like more smelting. Soon ill place a yellow science build and make some special building trains using a BP by tangled up in bluegrass which is basically sushi trains

a big problem is bots taking forever to build new stuff because of distance

a part of that is my fault however, I built too much solar close by instead of more science builds

[slim kelp]

doing global network for bots?

that seems not fesable unless you're at 600% resources or something

especially with the crappy low speeds they have

[long mauve]

yes

it has been painful

I am going to split it up soon

[slim kelp]

nice refinery btw ;-)

[slim kelp]

now this will put a strain on the train network

on the other hand, me likey... it's ramping up to 1800

[slim kelp]

took way too long... no plans for batteries, electric engines, so basically spaggetied

this atrocity

[slim kelp]

blah, shortages everywhere... I need a break

[mossy saddle]

reminds me when ggs had so many ore patch shortages

[slim kelp]

is that an 1000x with biters !?? on K2SE???

wow.

how long have you been on this ?

[mossy saddle]

it's like 2m before my first strike of energy beam so nearly 49h

everything is normal except, biters don't attack or evolve and resources are maxed they used to be active but I got overrun

[slim kelp]

the network is becoming two-way

[mossy saddle]

nice job!

[steep spindle]

Interesting you left just enough room to convert it

[slim kelp]

I plan ahead quite a lot... and when I don't, there's Ctrl+D :))

[slim kelp]

rebuilding stations is a hell of a lot easier with bots...

these two were of the single-line design just 10 minutes ago

[steep spindle]

I'm definitely making my own BP's for everything in 2.0

Because belts won't change I should prolly just start now

[slim kelp]

still not keeping up...

oh you should definitely have bps... I don't even know how you play this game without them

[mossy saddle]

I don't have any production bps I make them on the spot

[spark idol]

What’s this nice unloading signal from

[steep spindle]

Is that from the same list of QoLs you gave me?

[slim kelp]

man it is definitely a lot easier to build outposts with bots, even if I have to carry the resources myself

[slim kelp]

yes

[steep spindle]

I'll have to go find it, I like that icon

[slim kelp]

snouz useful icons

[steep spindle]

Ye, what tab is that on?

[mossy saddle]

Do you have a mall train like ggs

[slim kelp]

no, not yet... difficult to setup, and my resource patches are tiny

[steep spindle]

My mall train isn't perfect

[mossy saddle]

But nearly!

[steep spindle]

But I have a prototype coming for it

It will be a greater ordeal for 2.0 because of the cargo rocket stuff

Train rockets

[slim kelp]

whoopsie, somehow this happened...

probably with all the changes to the network, I messed it up somewhere :)

takes jus tone poorly placed signal :P

[steep spindle]

I want to start doing more with the game, but don't want to wait till 2.0

[slim kelp]

try stuff you didn't do before, like designing blueprints :)

it's an interesting activity... I spent hundreds of hours with that

relaxing, no biter stress... just thinking and logic

also... I'm having brain freeze, not sure what to do next

can't really increase spm without massively overhauling the entire factory

anyway, end of week screenshot

detail on the core production

it -should- be able to sustain 1800 spm assuming resources are coming steadily and no train deadlocks or other problems... but the average is barely 1000'ish due to various problems

and yea, ore patches are shrinking continously, I have to chase new fields non-stop

[mossy saddle]

You don't seem to use many rails

[slim kelp]

didn't want to spend too much time building them manually... so I used the single line network. But now I have bots and it's much quicker, I'm converting everything to double rail

but there was one bad signal placed there, and it was enough to deadlock that area

[mossy saddle]

Oh alright! Yeah I already deadlocked my bricks once tooo at the startup

[slim kelp]

hmm, looks like the radar found some larger juicy fields in the last couple of hours, lemmes see how big they are

okay, decent

this one is even more than 13

yeah I think I'll grab those with 1-4 trains to a new smelting area

going for will eat steel like crazy, these tiny 2.4M or less patches which I have close won't cut it

[mossy saddle]

You'll need to move alot further love

[steep spindle]

Yeah, steel is a heavy killer

[slim kelp]

neah... I'll grab whatever is close

[steep spindle]

I have issues getting a 900 online

[slim kelp]

even if a patch services a single train, I can't just leave it there doing nothing

[steep spindle]

Trying to get a steel build that eats 60k/m

But it outputs 14.4k steel

Prolly just need to dual output the iron and increase throughput

Which I can do

[slim kelp]

hot damn, that's a lot

I'm barely producing 2.5 belts of steel ( aka, 2250 p/m )

yeah, it's clear, next step is fully converting the train network to dual lane and start grabing patches all over the place

it's pretty fast, fortunately, drop 3-4 roboports, let'em build

while I come with a train with resources

[mossy saddle]

Ggs was busy with his steel for a very long time his iron was so annoying

[steep spindle]

I don't have enough trains going to it to output that much yet

[steep spindle]

But if I rearrange the iron with higher modules and belts, it's doable

The prod is still lacking steel lol

[slim kelp]

it's tough even on a normal game x1 science

takes a full belt of steel to sustain production at 60 spm all sciences, so 240 furnaces

or 90... can't remember, but I have some blueprints designed around eating an entire yellow belt, full flow

[languid stump]

Make sure you’re using prod1 electric furnaces to make steel, with plans for prod3 purple

Well worth in lowering steel usage / demand

[slim kelp]

yeah, higher tier modules will most likely help here, considering how many points need to be invested, the 80% savings on the full supply chain for millions of points will definitely pay for themselves

BUT, only if power is in sufficient quantities, which is still ... unknown

if you look at the big map screenshot, there are some radar areas dotted around that dont' seem to have anything connected to them

[languid stump]

Just make some solar panels :D.

A fraction of my total resources went to solar

[slim kelp]

you want to know the impressive amount of oil all of these produce ?

[languid stump]

Not enough :p

[slim kelp]

some 1300 ps... total

[languid stump]

Yeah I think solar so you can coal liquefaction for yellow science… might work out

[slim kelp]

that's just barely enough to sustain blue science

very likely needed

[languid stump]

Or make longer trains 🙂

[slim kelp]

OR the fluid wagon

[languid stump]

Ahhh

Are you piping rn?

[slim kelp]

then I can just grab fields from further away

yeah, all those are piped ;)

[languid stump]

Nice lol

Yeah I did all pipes too

But my oil was op

[slim kelp]

but they are complete trash, 600%, 470%, 930%... etc.

[languid stump]

Ish

Can you just research beacons?

[slim kelp]

I can probably squeeze a t-shirt after a morning jog and get more fluid out of it than what those fields produce :P

[languid stump]

This phase is gonna be rough

It was a lot of outposting for me and i had huge ore

[slim kelp]

people have done megabases on default resources

I don't see why x1000 isn't possible

[languid stump]

Well yeah but usually they have technology xD

[slim kelp]

it will just require hundreds of outposts

[languid stump]

Mhm, I think you can do it for sure

[slim kelp]

by the time 2024 ends I might finish it :))

[languid stump]

I just think it may be a little painful to make all the iron and copper :D.

[slim kelp]

this particular one (latest outpost, first with a 1-4 station) was deployed in about 20 minutes including the trips to bring resources

with a mall train I can probably do it in 10

bots really REALLY helped, it took me an hour on average before to setup one

(including the rail to it I mean, which is half the time probably)

but now I can just drop the bp, drop 4 roboports, a few chest, all my inventory into it, and good luck bees, do your thing

and it was a long-ass rail... seesh, had to scoop some 30 rocks to get through

desert sucks :)