High Science Multiplier

[quiet sandal]

I can't upgrade much further

[mossy saddle]

I'll fund it 😛

[mossy saddle]

oh why?

[steep spindle]

I have a perfectly cooked 5.4oced 5900x

[quiet sandal]

already on some of the newest hardware

best I could do for Factorio is go from my 7700X to a 7800X3D

[mossy saddle]

oo i9 nice ggs

[tame adder]

why does nuclear cause ups issues?

[quiet sandal]

fluids

[mossy saddle]

there has to be alot of calculations with nuclear unlike solar

[tame adder]

mm I see

[quiet sandal]

Factorio has to calculate the fluids and each power generator separately

while solar can be calculated as a single object

[steep spindle]

its time to invest in Nuclear

shit is COOOKED

[quiet sandal]

you have a lot of solar but it's barely producing anything

[steep spindle]

and I already dropped a grid

it wasn't daytime fully

[mossy saddle]

xD thank god you don't have bots ggs

[steep spindle]

I had to turn off half of the science to get some accumulators back

before I do any of that. I need a new mall

[mossy saddle]

do those issues happen alot?

[steep spindle]

power?

yes

if I redid this from the start I'd make the mall first

[mossy saddle]

x-x all those items needing to be broken down and then sorted before you can build it all again

[steep spindle]

my old nuclear BP only does 480mw of power

[mossy saddle]

oh I got someone with a very good nuclear bp

makes 1.1GW

[steep spindle]

which I guess is also bad

[mossy saddle]

if you want I can ask him to send me the bp

you'll get it too then

[steep spindle]

ay 600mw this does nothing

I was testing this

oh haha, thats right

[mossy saddle]

hows it going? xD

[steep spindle]

can't yeet the stone out fast enough

[mossy saddle]

don't you have unloaderes?

unloaders

[steep spindle]

this is also what I was looking at for the other world

[steep spindle]

not in this world

[mossy saddle]

that's an interesting mall design

[steep spindle]

don't remember where I yeeted it from

[mossy saddle]

it has loads of lights better then my builds that don't use any light

[steep spindle]

but heym this one is good haha

i dont like lights

lol

[mossy saddle]

I only use them at my train tracks that's it lmao

how long did it take you to mine that one?

[steep spindle]

40 to go

oh, this rocket was already placed

[mossy saddle]

xD ooh I thought you installed the mod right before you placed your first rocket

[steep spindle]

on this world?, naw this is the first world I ever made

I tried to transition to a train base and killed the purple/yellow science

aye!

[mossy saddle]

lol thats why I did my trains right before blue

[steep spindle]

now I remember why it needed placed next to water....

[quiet sandal]

nah

you just need some water trains

my copper smeltery is now functional

[spark idol]

I put up my first smelters

2 belts of iron and 1 belt of copper

The machine cost is pretty wild

Omg five megawatts before I’ve crafted an 11th science pacj

[steep spindle]

145k to go

[spark idol]

I should have buffed size instead of richness for oil

That’s gonna be a struggle

[modern citrus]

I have frequency at minimum for all resources, but upped both size and richness. I’ve got two whole oil fields making Basic Oil Processing just for Solid Fuel - one red belt for 200 boilers (need to double that) and one red belt for the smelting area (which I can see I really need to expand as well)

Need to find 4 more belts of Coal just to get the second 900 SPMmof milsci

[spark idol]

I was aiming for 6 red sci per second but I accidentally made 12

60% of logistics

[steep spindle]

did you just start a x1k?

[spark idol]

Yes

200 labs running 😎

[steep spindle]

good luck! 🙂 I'm almost to the silo, but I need to fix a power and circuit problem before I even think about

[spark idol]

I don’t know what I’m doing tbh

I’m gonna build a mall as soon as I get logistics

[steep spindle]

have you done something like this before?

[spark idol]

No

I have done 10x multiplier

Hell yes

Underground belts achieved

Has anybody done this with biters

[steep spindle]

dear God. it can get WORSE

lmao

@mossy saddle I'm gonna blast a x1 base

[marble stream]

Reminder: Lizzy, you can add x1000 to nickname

[spark idol]

Yeah since I have logistics I’m allowed to

[languid stump]

This dude 😂

[spark idol]

New name

[marble stream]

Reminder: Chest, you can add x1000 to your nickname

[stuck dove]

perfect

[steep spindle]

I'm curious to wonder how long that would take

lol

[stuck dove]

having it without is better because you get people saying things like "why do you have 5 belts of gears on your main bus you can't supply that"
and then you get to show off your iron gear build

[spark idol]

It’s 2024 nobody builds buses

[stuck dove]

why not? it looks so nice

[vagrant anchor]

Bus with x1000 really isn't good

It works but you're better off just properly ratioing based on belts

[stuck dove]

im just tossing entire belts in

let me get a sc

2 belt of gear + 2 belt of copper = 2 belt of red

no splitting

[candid shadow]

That's starting to get into the territory of "is this really still a bus, philosophically?" territory

[vagrant anchor]

Why even bus at that point though

[stuck dove]

pretty

[quiet sandal]

I spaghetti’d it until I got trains

Except for half of my factory where I just walked somewhere else and built a new one dedicated just to science

[spark idol]

I’m probably going to rush trains

[mossy saddle]

standard?

[steep spindle]

was going too...

then that happened

[mossy saddle]

xD

[steep spindle]

2 researchs to go for rockets

[mossy saddle]

hows it going

[steep spindle]

good, you?

[mossy saddle]

doing alright woke up just now

[vagrant anchor]

Welp school starting, less factorio

[modern citrus]

And I have some blue science …

[spark idol]

How much

[long mauve]

new planned science

it doesnt count as stealing blueprints if their my own

[stuck dove]

neat

I wonder if it's spaced out such that you can place the sushi science directly below it

[long mauve]

id need a 1350 spm version

it wouldnt fit to cleanly but i can make it work

im wondering if I do labs onsite or do them all together somewhere

so many labs this is insane

to be fair I do not have all the lab speed research

if I do, cut that in half

but the cost savings arent worth it unless i spam a ton of these

[quiet sandal]

ok this makes no sense to me

a lot of times I have to grab a large amount of items for a blueprint

so I make sure to grab the exact amount required

but I often end up short on that same item

[modern citrus]

If that was to me, then right now only 900 SPM. Building up the other 900 SPM as my mall makes machinery, and unfortunately, landfill

[mossy saddle]

Love landfill!

[modern citrus]

60 stone/sec going to landfill and it aint near enough 😦

[mossy saddle]

I had 4 blue assemblers taking a full red belt each for landfill xD

took me so long to get enough

how far are you in your run astro

[modern citrus]

Trying to get the second 900 set up for blue and grey

[mossy saddle]

for how much spm are you going

[modern citrus]

Atm 1800

Blue belts will see me increase that to 2700

[mossy saddle]

ooh nice

hope your research doesn't take to long tho

[modern citrus]

Longer time to research was one reason I decided to undertake this. Most games it feels like you blink and you missed researching everything in your queue

[mossy saddle]

wahah true

now it takes atleast an hour and you got to think on how to sepdn

spend

[steep spindle]

I'm frustrated because my power grid is dying trying to transition to beacons

[languid stump]

Aren’t you refusing to use robots to build solar fields tho

[steep spindle]

I've been spotted

[languid stump]

Maybe you can just do a ton of burner

[steep spindle]

Maybe into look into oil power

[modern citrus]

A blue belt of Solid Fuel can feed 300 Boilers … or provide 540 MW. So it will take a buncha boilers if you are dealing with GW of power …

[steep spindle]

I'm missing about 4GW

[quiet sandal]

Just make it into nuclear fuel

By far the most efficient

[steep spindle]

can nuclear provide a good power w/o ups issues

[languid stump]

Yes

It’s just the expensive tech cost on x1k

[steep spindle]

do I need that? I have everything else

[languid stump]

No

Just make big U238 buffer

[long mauve]

You probably want a fuel saving tractor

[languid stump]

Biplane would be good here prob

5.6 GW for each print

Doesn’t need landfill

[quiet sandal]

You don’t need kovarex… but it’s a pain to deal with the U-238

[long mauve]

Definitely if there’s room

[languid stump]

Pain? Meh. 1 reactor fills a steel chest every 15 hours

[quiet sandal]

Especially when we don’t have biters enabled

[languid stump]

Can easily make a huge stack of chests

And grenade it later if you must

A speaker can warn you if it’s full

Looking back i prob would have just done pure boiler

I didn’t need as much power as I thought I would

Solar is a bit lazier , so that’s nice

Definitely slower too

[steep spindle]

I have the room 🙂

[languid stump]

You want it??

:D.

[steep spindle]

please. lets see how much ups it will tank

[languid stump]

Lol maybe a bit

It’s not the most ups efficient one

Not horrible but not great

I’m guessing you won’t notice

I have a more ups efficient one but it needs landfill

[steep spindle]

I have landfill

[languid stump]

It doesn’t have fuel cell saving either

So you’d rack up more U238 buffer

[steep spindle]

I can get it

[languid stump]

No it’s kovarex you’d want

[steep spindle]

oh

.<

[languid stump]

For the non fuel saver imo

[steep spindle]

[languid stump]

You could run it without don’t get me wrong

But the ups efficient one just always burns fuel cells.

Well, you could attach it to your accumulators if you have enough, actually

If you have 17.6 accumulators per turbine you can do that

[steep spindle]

I was prolly gonna put it off to the left

since I have more ore than I know what to do with lol

[languid stump]

Yeah that’s so much ore lol

the good stuff :D.

my 3 reactor prints ive been using for thousands of factorio hours

ill prob make new ones for space age

[steep spindle]

whats the offshore pump for?

Dear God. I remember you talking about this but didnt see the print

[languid stump]

The pump print is to help you get all the water in without much landfill

Only thing to be wary of with that biplane is making sure it has full compressed belt of uranium fuel before you turn it on

Which isn’t ideal but oh well

[spark idol]

So I think I will be doing one research for each session

Then the next session I can reassess with my new tech

[languid stump]

You’re joining the 1000x!!!

Good luck :D.

I enjoyed it

[steep spindle]

is that a constant requirement?

[spark idol]

Definitely not

It looks like it’s a restriction from how it’s programmed

[languid stump]

yeah, since its fuel controlled it grabs a fuel cell as it releases the last one, so if there isnt a fuel cell on the belt in front it could break

its pretty easy to keep fuel cells

[steep spindle]

I need a boat load of the one that takes forever

[long mauve]

just 3.6 without prod right

36 core reactor

[steep spindle]

thats kidna funny, it almost fit in this block

[long mauve]

id do 40 uranium processing to be on the safe side

[steep spindle]

train inputs?

[long mauve]

train inputted uranium ore? should be fine

[steep spindle]

Im driving to a spot with water to see if uranium is near

[languid stump]

and prod module the fuel cells!!

prod3

if you have it

only need 1 assembler

[steep spindle]

got it last night

thats how I found out my power was dipping

this train paint mod picks what ever color that first item is

its nice

looks like we fixin to need some grenades

lul

that should do it

ONLY in factorio......

do trees grow on fucking uranium '

[long mauve]

special trees

[steep spindle]

well my goal for the day is to get that build

and running

[long mauve]

plenty of time left!

atleast here, its 10am

[steep spindle]

11am here

I dont want to set this on ore

[long mauve]

you ve set many other things on ore :P

[steep spindle]

this thing to special

lol

this map is starting to look better anyway

[spark idol]

This is my question

I played with 600% richness and that’s all

Is that bad

[steep spindle]

is the rest at 100%?

[mossy saddle]

same as those 3 eyed radiated fish

[spark idol]

Yes

Frequency is bumped a little bit

But it’s like 150% I think

[steep spindle]

you should be fine, I cranked it all up for sake of not wanting to drive far

I didn't crank uranium/oil

[spark idol]

I should have done oil size tbh

I did richness which is very temporary

[steep spindle]

"temporary"

[spark idol]

I was talking about oil

[steep spindle]

oh

[spark idol]

It lasts like an hour

[steep spindle]

I was like nearly a billion ore

lol

I can add more plastic to this mess after this power bump too

you need 56 offshore pumps

how the fuck

[languid stump]

It is 5.6 GW :p

That’s more than I had for my run I think

[long mauve]

I think my science is complete, 2700 spm

it was painful making blue belts downgradable to red so I can use it immediately

[steep spindle]

not losing these mall trains ever again

[languid stump]

Looks sweet

I like the blue on either side of red and green

[long mauve]

yeah its a neat ratio I saw

[spark idol]

My goal is to make ten thousand spidertrons

[languid stump]

That’s a lot

[spark idol]

Yeah

Once I have space science

I’ll do some of that

And then final goal

Make ten thousand spidertrons

[steep spindle]

when the spidy research is 2,5M

[spark idol]

Is it not space science

Huh

I guess I’ll do something cooler then

[steep spindle]

I'm gunning for 100% research before infinite tech and maybe a cooler like rocket silo blaster

[spark idol]

Oh I know

I’ll do space extension

[steep spindle]

someoone told me to add that

but I was just like, I'ma build this then gun for all that + maybe do a few infinite researches

I dont think we have a long enough train

needs cleaned out tho

[spark idol]

Why does it have pistols lol

[steep spindle]

trains killing me

[spark idol]

But why did you put pistols in the train

[steep spindle]

exactly why it needs cleaned out....

i went "where can I put this to deal with it later" and slapped a cargo wagon down

[spark idol]

I want to know why you did I

Oh

[steep spindle]

these 2 might also need cleaned out

I think I need to just go make a central area to drop shit

then I can just come here and upgrade it to Logi Bots

only bots in the base

🙂

first one in 275 hours

[steep spindle]

hehe..... Just so the mod said I crafted it

[spark idol]

I’m doing things that I would normally consider to be min/maxing

But I think it’s really the only way to make this work at a reasonable pace

Like I set up a 3-belt boiler system

[modern citrus]

I’m feeding 400 boilers with two red belts of solid fuel… not something I’d normally do

[spark idol]

I think I’m gonna switch to solar ASAP because I don’t want that constant coal consumption

Or at least set up a day solar

[steep spindle]

welcome to not normal

[spark idol]

But idk if that’s worth it

[steep spindle]

lmao.... "Got Wood"

[spark idol]

Wait so how many boilers is a coal belt?

[languid stump]

Which belt :p

[spark idol]

Yellow

[modern citrus]

One yellow belt of coal can fuel 33ish boilers (under full load, ish because I use burner inserters which leech some fuel from it). One yellow belt of solid fuel@can feed 100 boilers

[spark idol]

So 3 yellow is 100 boilers?

[modern citrus]

Yes. Since coal is 4 MJ each and solid fuel is 12 MJ each, you can feed 100 boilers from three yellow belts of coal

[spark idol]

Cool

I guess I’ll put those extra 2 rows on the other side

[mossy saddle]

thats the good thing I found out about recently that the companion bots take from the train you're in

[steep spindle]

i mentioned that very early on

it was kinda hilarious

the "does this work" strat

[mossy saddle]

xD i was completely baffled

[steep spindle]

I've went from wanting to finish that base to, I wish I could just do this with bots twice now

so next time I log in I may start making construction bots

[steep spindle]

I'm gonna do it

Companion drones are NO MORE

[spark idol]

Green science factory

I am short on iron but I’m gonna fix that by upgrading furnaces

Unless I get bored

I think steam engines should have a neighbor bonus

Like 5% additive

They’d be mechanically linked so they can run in a ‘higher gear’ with less friction

[steep spindle]

I hand-crafted it for the luls

[spark idol]

278 hours

I’m in for a long game ig

I’ve still got 30% left on steel

[steep spindle]

over here making blue circuits just for a couple things

mainly personal bots

[spark idol]

I thought this was two pictures at first

And the wire looked like a dividing line

[steep spindle]

oh haha

[spark idol]

I’m actually having trouble seeing it as one image

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle @languid stump @long mauve #1188693488464834623 message LOL 🙂

[spark idol]

You pinged a million people

[steep spindle]

the few that have been following the craziness

[spark idol]

You said LOL 😐

[steep spindle]

there is a message link

[vagrant anchor]

GG you using nuclear?

[steep spindle]

Froggy I forgot to ping 😦

about to

[vagrant anchor]

Might want to consider using like a 4 core or 8 core blueprint and stamping down a ton of those

The multithreading saves some ups

[steep spindle]

Putin gave me a 36 core

[spark idol]

Red belts is expensive as frick

200 thousand

[steep spindle]

oh the science cost? yeah

[spark idol]

Yeah

Im not looking forward to that gap in tech

[steep spindle]

did you check this?

[spark idol]

Shit

I’m gonna try and get to a red belt of each science in a sec

[steep spindle]

I'm 3 off

doesn't help that this also exists

3M science packs just to launch space

[spark idol]

Yeah

What do you do when you’re waiting

[steep spindle]

build more

[spark idol]

It will become obsolete in less than an hour

[vagrant anchor]

Make your designs upgradable

[steep spindle]

Putins Nuclear thing is gonna break my brain

[languid stump]

What’s going on

[steep spindle]

oh just making a builder train for it

[languid stump]

Oh lol

Yea it’s a big beast

[steep spindle]

308 tanks

TANK

like >.<

shouldn't complain about power after its up tho

also...

closing in on it tho

now for 390 pumps

@languid stump all that is left of this mess is the Turbines/heat exchangers and reactors

making 36*500 concrete is gonna be

[vagrant anchor]

1000 heat pipes is crazy

[long mauve]

280 hours is insane

[steep spindle]

getting close to it 🙂

[long mauve]

I’m trying to win before 100 hours though that’s looking more unlikely

[steep spindle]

how close are you?

[long mauve]

far

progress on beacons has been slow but its getting there

I got 48K purple science saved up more than I thought I had

designed this new science build I can place now

it looks like its only 380 spm before beacons.. yikes

[spark idol]

New idea

I’m getting trains soon

So I’ll build enough science to get me there quickly and then tear it all down

[languid stump]

Trains overrated

[steep spindle]

nice looking

I NEEED it

lol

[languid stump]

Big powa

[steep spindle]

I have these 2 circuit conditioned. time to work on the reactors

18K of / / /

[languid stump]

Okay but look how much steel and copper is in 133k solar panels :p

[steep spindle]

665k

[quiet sandal]

that could have been very bad

my green circuit trains were set to unload at my copper plate stations

but it's all set correctly now

it's taken a long time to get to this point

but I now have all the basic materials I need to start working on chemical science

[steep spindle]

nice!

[quiet sandal]

currently though, what really matters is that I finally have red circuits properly automated to build stack inserters

so I can now have my train stations working as they are supposed to, instead of just using fast inserters

[steep spindle]

bots

[quiet sandal]

bruh.

[steep spindle]

this just requires sooo much

[quiet sandal]

for reference, the assemblers around this one have each produced around 16,000 green science

and this one is at zero because it's the sole assembler where I forgot an inserter

[steep spindle]

oof

[quiet sandal]

the pipe is way more annoying

[steep spindle]

dont you have bots to sort that out?

[quiet sandal]

nawr

that underground pipe means I must have an orphan somewhere

because I've never broken one before and my assemblers aren't one off anywhere

I found it

luckily it was at the same oil field that there was a single ghost missing

[steep spindle]

nice

[steep spindle]

slow and steady

[spark idol]

I got a new five yellow belts of iron

I feel like if I go back from this it won’t be as fun to play default

[steep spindle]

haha

I tried to play a default world yesterday and got to in an hour

fucking HAULING

[spark idol]

I’m getting good at laying inserters

I need to start using a hotbar

[steep spindle]

ye, this mode teaches efficiency 100%

[spark idol]

But I set up a few rows of furnaces with no mistakes

And my green science i did a lot of that flawlessly

I need red belts cause it’s more than one belt of gears for green

But I don’t wanna fix it

I’m thinking about mining productivity idk how soon that will pay off

[steep spindle]

there is where I am with that

its a want, but not a need

might become a want after the Silo

[quiet sandal]

ez no spoon speedrun

[steep spindle]

Probably tbh

You got me wondering how quick I could legit do it now

[mossy saddle]

@languid stump nice

You're doing great buddyyyy

[steep spindle]

Wrong @?

[mossy saddle]

Oh shit yes xD

I just woke up my excuses

I was holding your name in not sure how it tagged Putin!

Nice job tho ggs!!

[quiet sandal]

well, a big part of no spoon is an optimal map anyway

it's very hard to find the perfect one

most won't get the luxury of using stuff like landfill and cliff explosives

plus defense takes a lot of time

[steep spindle]

True

[steep spindle]

Got 2 more reactors and uranium to mine and I'll be making power

[mossy saddle]

xD everything still down cus of power issues?

[steep spindle]

I haven't kicked on another research so it's back filling

While I make nuclear power

I ditched the companion drones and got bots tho

Came to the Bot side

They are so damn slow lol

[mossy saddle]

xD don't forget those bots require loads of power when you go down gain!!

[steep spindle]

Just using personal and logic bots atm, adding construction bots later

[mossy saddle]

oh good for inv fill

o rmall

or

[quiet sandal]

hmmm

for green science, should I craft on site or put belts and inserters into trains?

[candid shadow]

I don't see much point in moving the belts and inserters somewhere else

[quiet sandal]

I should probably put gears into trains at least

[steep spindle]

I did mine onsite and just trained in iron and circuits

[marble stream]

I'd say produce as much as possible on-mines
So everything made from iron+copper is on-mines

[marble stream]

Do you have a mall train?

[vagrant anchor]

Do it onsite, you can even do smelting onsite or gear production onsite after electric furnaces

[quiet sandal]

No, idk how they work

Is it something you can automate or just a train you drive around manually

[marble stream]

It's like a mall (stack limiter boxes with belt,inserter and assemler items) but a train (stack filtered wagons belt,inserter and assemler items)

"Wall builder train" basically if you use that

[quiet sandal]

I’ve just loaded everything I need into my car and inventory

If I need a lot of stuff it seems useful

Or when I get bots it’ll help to move items closer

[marble stream]

It may be helpful with bots and if you need more stuff then a car can handle (cuz you basically may request a train in any point where there are rails

And extremely helpful with solar placing as it can make placing an order of magnitude faster and cheaper on power

[steep spindle]

I'm working on a mall with mall trains after my power stabilizes

Need 4 more reactors

[long mauve]

im still running off my mall that was built right at the start. I just keep adding bits and pieces to it

[steep spindle]

Me too lol

[quiet sandal]

Yeah I need to build a new mall

[marble stream]

Are you going to build some specific sort of a mall or just a mall and some sushi shenanigans or mall and loong belts or mall with sushi instead of chests or just a sushi mall?

[steep spindle]

Mall with logistics bots I'm thinking

[marble stream]

Boring (but well that's the only answer possible if you have )

[steep spindle]

Might do a belt mall instead

Because looking at filtered trains and circuit chests

My problem is needing to figure out what to put in the mall

[mossy saddle]

xD I use a belt one saves such a hastle

goodbye starter base

[steep spindle]

Oh nooo

[mossy saddle]

I had to do it!

I can't watch it get destroyed by the solar beans soon

[steep spindle]

Currently looking up a way to get items for the mall

Like I want nearly everything make able

[mossy saddle]

even the ones not useable?

[steep spindle]

Wym?

[mossy saddle]

like the one addon for the power armor that makes belt not move you

[steep spindle]

Oh, no lol, the one off items don't need it

Going to make a laundry list after work

Of what each item needs

[mossy saddle]

oh lol I thought already "everything" as those items too xd

[steep spindle]

Everything that is used multiple times

[quiet sandal]

SE's next major update is supposed to revamp everything

will probably break current saves

[steep spindle]

Trying to make a list of what things use

Me right now because I can't figure it out

[marble stream]

🤔

I think I'd use the mod that makes research easier with every research you complete

So you can start with absurds like x1000 but lategame stuff is like x100 or even x10

Cuz I dunno if x1000 k2se is completeable

@mossy saddle Can I see your science graph?

[quiet sandal]

hurry up

[marble stream]

Did you forget to disable pollution

[quiet sandal]

no why

[marble stream]

Ups

... Not sure how much tho

[quiet sandal]

UPS is unrelated to what I was saying lol

[marble stream]

I just see eco on your screen that's why I'm asking

[quiet sandal]

one thing I forgot to disable is evolution but since biters are disabled I don't think that matters

I don't get why these trains think there's no path

after a bit they update and leave the station

it only happens with coal though, so I think they're trying to go to my power plant

which is on a separate rail system

well I just put "power" in the station names for that

that seems to have fixed it

[marble stream]

Do you happen to disable stations?

[quiet sandal]

yes they have train limiters

if they didn't I'd have lots of trains backing up into my rail network trying to go to a single station

[marble stream]

Not setting train limit, settingg disable one

[quiet sandal]

no for that

[marble stream]

Hmm
Then dunno

[quiet sandal]

I haven't needed to completely disable stations

[quiet sandal]

but yeah this was the reason

oil will be a problem for a long time

need to really increase my extracting

[spark idol]

I’m going to halt on this cause I think it’s making me depressed

[steep spindle]

Awe

[mossy saddle]

Lol now's its 0

I'll send it when it's booted back up

[steep spindle]

I understand why people kept saying this game used a ton of ram now

[modern citrus]

The more explored area you have, the more ram the game needs and the longer it takes to save

[steep spindle]

It's a 37mb save using 16gb of ram lol

[quiet sandal]

yeah idk how much RAM I'm gonna need

but I have 32gb so I think I'll be fine

[steep spindle]

I do as well

[mossy saddle]

I don't have much explored

[steep spindle]

I think I'm going to make my own BP's for 2.0

[mossy saddle]

I make my own not my mall tho

to stupid for that

[marble stream]

I mean 50hrs one

[mossy saddle]

I got rid of everything some time ago to make place and get ready for the beam

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

that's me trying to make the damage minimal

[steep spindle]

Until it blasted the chests you put it in

Blueprints in this world for 2.0

Maybe

[quiet sandal]

nearly all my blueprints are unique

only things are my basic furnace array design since there's not much difference that can be done for that

my solar array, and balancer blueprint book

my furnaces though I modify to suit my needs, for example I've made my own steel designs based on it and I've made my own electric furnace designs

[steep spindle]

here looks good

[vagrant anchor]

You already have a rail base going?

[modern citrus]

Ok, cool … getting Advanced Oil Processing seems to have been enough that my existing oil refineries could, with cracking, provide enough plastic/sulfur to maintain 1800 SPM blue science

[quiet sandal]

need water

direct water access would be easiest

but that's a problem with how small those lakes are

god damn it

[steep spindle]

ye it has water

[mossy saddle]

70% done

[vagrant anchor]

wow nice

[mossy saddle]

So today I'm going to boot it up after beam

Just got to craft like 200 repair kits

[steep spindle]

Now to just supply the uranium and off the races we go

Needing a full uranium fuel cell unit belt is gonna be Hell tho

[languid stump]

It won’t consume it at speed :p

Just gotta fill a lil buffer

[steep spindle]

Yellow belt?

Got 1 side to water and then fill it

Woulda looked cooler the other way, but didn't fit

[long mauve]

beautiful science

[long mauve]

I was wondering where all my green circuits have gone. Ive spent almost 2 million of them on solar 🤦‍♂️

so about 4 hours of wasted time making solar lol

another mistake: half my red chips werent outputting because its train limit was always 0

[mossy saddle]

not even a yellow belt but you can if you want xd

[vagrant anchor]

Nowhere near that

A fuel cell lasts 200 seconds in a reactor

[languid stump]

Yeah it’s cause the design is fuel controlled so it wants a compressed yellow belt at all times

It won’t consume it but you want it before start up

[mossy saddle]

ooh I got a reactor with steam controller

[languid stump]

I could have made it not need that but yea

[mossy saddle]

how many reactors are there?

[languid stump]

36

[mossy saddle]

damn xD

that's a massive amount

[languid stump]

Yea, 5.6 GW at once

Good times

Similar resource cost to throwing up 280-560 MW solar panels + accumulator fields

[vagrant anchor]

36 reactors is like one fuel cell every 7-8 seconds?

Not too bad

[languid stump]

1 every 5.55 seconds if full blast

But it’s fuel controlled so yea

[vagrant anchor]

My math is horrible

Tbh at those rates is there even a point in fuel controlling

[languid stump]

Honestly yes

[vagrant anchor]

It's barely even anything

[languid stump]

That reactor has been in operation for 450 hours in my SE world

I also built it before kovarex enrichment

[vagrant anchor]

Oh before kovarex

Why would you need such a huge reactor pre kovarex though

[languid stump]

Kovarex is expensive tech, you can delay that ish a long time

But I also used it to defend my 4 GW CME

I use bare minimum heat exchangers, reactors, heat pipes, pretty much.

So when I already need the tanks and turbines… may as well do the whole thing, was my thought process

[vagrant anchor]

Bruteforcing the CME lmao

No steam battery

[languid stump]

Not too bad with nuclear yea lol

I’ve done it on 3 occasions

Before first CME

It’s nice to not think about power too

[mossy saddle]

the cme's are annoyin!

[stuck dove]

the sun is angy
it demands sacrifice

[mossy saddle]

I'll send you off to the sun if you want that!

[stuck dove]

it wants 50 fluid tanks of your finest 500 degree steam

[mossy saddle]

that's alot!

[stuck dove]

thristy

[mossy saddle]

24/7

[mossy saddle]

@vagrant anchor don't you have power issues or how do you do it?

[vagrant anchor]

i used steam for belt base

[mossy saddle]

how much power if I may ask

[vagrant anchor]

900MW for 3.6k red/green/blue

but get more so you dont power die

[steep spindle]

I'm trying to decide what to do after the reactor is operational today

I have a mall and left to do

[marble stream]

What's your point on reactor vs solar?

🤔
You may grow solar by up to 5MW/s

[steep spindle]

Stress Testing the world for one, but not wanting to. Deal with power for a bit

It's a 5.6GW design by Putin

[marble stream]

Oof that's alot

[steep spindle]

Yeah it's monstrous

36

[marble stream]

The largest I ever did is this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/166489681821827072/1073198677214109706/image.png?ex=65b24127&is=659fcc27&hm=10e1c63c398b818efe2ba068607db7ddf03fcecdcf24320b698ef2f8b65ef332&

12core, so,

1.7GW?

3 times smaller

[marble stream]

Can I have a screen?

[marble stream]

This os a map screen
I mean a world screen

[steep spindle]

I'm at work, might have the blue print screen, one sec

#1188693488464834623 message Putin did a while back

I 180° flipped it

I'm hoping my power grid isn't eaten alive

[mossy saddle]

NO!!!

[steep spindle]

🤔

[mossy saddle]

I was trying to place a rail signal!

[steep spindle]

Join the club!

[mossy saddle]

xD how many times have you died?

[steep spindle]

12...

Because I refused to use bots lol

[mossy saddle]

xD I'm still botless too

maybe that's why I kissed a train

[steep spindle]

After this reactor goes up tho ... All bets are off

[mossy saddle]

full bot?

[steep spindle]

Maybe

[mossy saddle]

I'm within a minute of emf I don't wanna see it happen

[polar pewter]

How would be of any use in this gamemode?

[mossy saddle]

I got biters

[steep spindle]

100% science like me, otherwise for the fusion reactor

[polar pewter]

Oh right the power armor things still need them, right right

[polar pewter]

K2SE farms biters of course you have them on

[mossy saddle]

uh no.. you don't need biters it'll just fix the researches then

you can play without them XD

I just wanted an "extra" challange

[modern citrus]

You want to need biters? The Alien Loot Economy… come to think of it that just might make the 1k thing easier once you can deal with biters

[steep spindle]

My next world is gonna have biters

[mossy saddle]

you can do it ggs

[modern citrus]

Hmm. Not my cup@of tea, but would 1k be doable with Rampant Deathworld settings?

[spark idol]

I don’t think so

The evolution would go too fast and the yellow ammo wouldn’t pay for itself

So I guess it could happen but you’d be hand crafting basically the whole game

But rampant is super customizable so you could probably make it work if you change up the settings

[steep spindle]

@languid stump 56.... 56 OFFSHORE PUMPS

[languid stump]

yeaaaa buddy

[steep spindle]

glad I took a second peak

I only applied 28

I'm gonna have to rethink how to apply that many

I know why you set it up by a lake now

Damn

[marble stream]

I can try to balance Rampant Classic for that (I won't)

Basically

• ammo should be cheap enough so killing biters doesn't consume more pollution then ammo production produces
• the above should work over the whole playthrough
• turret research should be as cheap as automation is

[spark idol]

You can pump 3k/s through undergrounds

That’s 2.5 offshores

[steep spindle]

[spark idol]

So 5 offshores per 2 tiles

10 offshores for pump-tank-pump

Then you can weave the undergrounds in there and get 17.5 offshores in 3 tiles

So that means you need 12 tiles of width to carry all that water

If you don’t have any corners

And you can use boilers to make it crossable on foot

Hm then there’s pump-pipe-pump which gives you better rates but isn’t crossable

[steep spindle]

Pumps are horrible at ups

[spark idol]

Good point

If you elect for underground only that would come to about 21 tiles

[modern citrus]

When I need high flow rates I’m not above spam at max distance. But when I need to turn, I use a storage tank between two pumps

For reactors though… landfill and ocean in and out the offshore pumps at the end(s) are f the heat exchanger columns, IMO

[steep spindle]

I'm looking into it when I get home

May need to move to closer to a ocean

[spark idol]

If you’re gonna turn I’d just do a pipe between pumps

But yeah generally you’d wanna build it next to a lake

I wonder what size train you would need for all that water

Back to back trains

[modern citrus]

Tank is basically pipe piece writ very large. Yes it takes up 9 times the space but has 250 times the capacity, better for turns when spamming pumps

[spark idol]

For pump arrays it will be harder to fit tanks

They need a 21 pump array for this

[steep spindle]

this needs 28 offshore pumps

so does that

gonna make this lake flat and go that route

[spark idol]

Good idea

[steep spindle]

It'll work out

[long mauve]

all the water

[steep spindle]

this needs 56 offshore pumps...

this is half

don't know how I'm porting it to the other side yet

maybe a lane going north

[long mauve]

I think I have all the science needed for beacons now

[steep spindle]

some shenanigans are needed to go from the lake to the ports

[modern citrus]

I just brought online another oil field and refinery area that makes three red belts of solid fuel and each feeds 200 boilers. 600 boilers and 1200 steam engines added to my power supply. Think I’m at 1.6 GW from boilers as my max capacity now

[quiet sandal]

in K2 how do antimatter weapons work

it somehow flies through normal atmosphere and doesn't annihilate on that

[vagrant anchor]

Well you can shield it from annihilating until it is activated

[stuck dove]

I assume antimatter weapons would just be a rocket, with the payload being a lot of densely packed antimatter, suspended in a vacuum in a magnetic field

[mossy saddle]

Those underground pipes make me Poco loco

[steep spindle]

I had to go a long distance somehow 😭

[mossy saddle]

XD aslong as you know what's what

[steep spindle]

Oh trust me that took 4 tries to set up because I was sleepy, but I was going to get it

Tonight I figure out the centrifuges ratio for fuel cells

[mossy saddle]

Don't blow it up

[steep spindle]

Then I get sent this

Because no kovarex

[languid stump]

Wat

[steep spindle]

Your compressed yellow belt need haha

[languid stump]

You only need 10.8 fuel cells / minute

Noooo

It needs to be fully buffered

Not at full throughput

[steep spindle]

Last night I hooked in a 200M uranium patch

When you mean fully buffed, just that belt that goes around the reactor?

[languid stump]

Around and it’s full of fuel cells before starting

Also only half the belt too xD

Since it’s gotta output empty uranium cells too…

[steep spindle]

Ok, so inside belt for fuel cells

More the merrier 😂

[mossy saddle]

8k miners XD

[steep spindle]

How many centrifuges is that

[languid stump]

Depends kinda since RNG but 36-40 would be extremely safe

Given my reactor fuel cell controls and prod modules on the assemblers making fuel cells

The rule of thumb before kovarex is 1 centrifuge per reactor core + 1 (for safety)

But having a few extra just to get the initial fuel cells made so you can actually start it can be nice

[mossy saddle]

yeah when I did fuel cells I went overboard just to be safe

[mossy saddle]

are you far from kovarex?

[steep spindle]

1.5M science

[mossy saddle]

you'll be there in no time! 😛

[steep spindle]

Naw

[mossy saddle]

but you can do it I believe in you!

[mossy saddle]

this beauty is what I call home

[marble stream]

How did you balance the biters

[stuck dove]

all you need is a few of these

[marble stream]

You don't have access to those in the beginning of the game

When the biters are a problem

If they are not balanced down

[stuck dove]

oh true you need 20k

[mossy saddle]

max it all out except no expanding or evolving I think

[marble stream]

no evolving
Understood

Not even 0.1%?

[mossy saddle]

if they'd evolve I'm screwed

I have no defenses or anything

49h in

[stuck dove]

could maybe evolve off of nests killed instead of time or pollution

[marble stream]

Why not 0.1%

[mossy saddle]

I'll have to check

maybe I do have that

seems to be all 0

haven't really killed that much yet

isnt there a way to see all the settings you've used in a run?

[stuck dove]

esc -> save game -> map exchange string export
which you can import into a new game

[mossy saddle]

alrighty

yeah nothing with damaging it

the evolution and stuff is on other planets though!

[vagrant anchor]

You should get blue science asap

[vagrant anchor]

Evolution is global though

[tame adder]

has anybody ever tried 1000x sciene with pollution and biters on, in a deathworld

[mossy saddle]

Well no that's impossible

Since I already had issues with extra radius and no moving

At green science

[vagrant anchor]

It is possible... theoretically

But uhhh

You don't want to do it

Basically it'll involve a lot of waiting

[mossy saddle]

XD a lot more

[vagrant anchor]

As well as ug

Taking out nests with a pistol

Deathworld size nests

And building shitloads of pipe anti expansion things

[mossy saddle]

Yeah turrets and stuff going to take atleast 24h

[vagrant anchor]

And walking all around the map to generate chunks

And even then it'll still suck because when you start doing real automation evolution is probably already going to be nearing big biters

[tame adder]

😭

[vagrant anchor]

So you have to deal with big biters with yellow ammo gun turrets with maybe only damage 1

Aka basically no damage

[stuck dove]

michael hendriks did a run where biters started with 100% evolution, so I'm sure it's possible

[mossy saddle]

Not x1000 science thought xd

Good luck getting logistics 1

[vagrant anchor]

You will need to clear out a lot of nests with yellow ammo gun turrets and make a huge perimeter just so that you generate less biters than ammo

[vagrant anchor]

It is but extremely insanely difficult

[stuck dove]

might be more tedious than difficult

[mossy saddle]

Next step pyx1000 right

[vagrant anchor]

The strategy I described will probably work but it'll be very difficult to pull off successfully

[steep spindle]

I wonder if x1k expensive recipes has ever been done

[modern citrus]

I’m not about to

[steep spindle]

Well I went to look at it, and it's like an added multiplier

Might use a bot mod like nano bots to keep it fair

[quiet sandal]

I think I’m reaching the part where I get burned out

[mossy saddle]

how far have you reached meme?

[quiet sandal]

I haven’t done a ton the past couple weeks, so I’ve just sat on building chemical science

When I was new to factorio this is where I always got burnt out

[mossy saddle]

if you want you can join me I don't mind

[steep spindle]

I'm at the point where I wanted to try a new world, but I also want to launch because I'm close. Power issues lol

[modern citrus]

2000 steam engines in my world. 1000 boilers. Power issues? lol

[quiet sandal]

only 2,000?

[vagrant anchor]

I wonder if it's possible to play on a server while not running all the simulations that the server runs on the client

Since intel dev cloud has a way of getting insane amounts of free compute which would be really helpful for massive megabases

[modern citrus]

For now. Not sure if I’m going to expand that further, delve into paving the world in solar panels, or get some nuclear power set up

I mean, its only 1.8 GW. So not a huge amount

[steep spindle]

I kinda want to finish this base before I start this expensive recipes world

The expensive recipe is 100% a way to make science cost more

[long mauve]

📈

[steep spindle]

stonks

I'm doing something wrong

[steep spindle]

I dont have a problem....

[steep spindle]

Putins a madlad and I appreciate him for giving me this

Kovarex in 4hrs

geezus

[mossy saddle]

thats a long time still

[long mauve]

kovarex isnt really needed

[steep spindle]

100% science!

🙂

[long mauve]

Fair

[steep spindle]

Gonna finish it today and start on a build I think

That is gonna take a lot of copper

[long mauve]

Nice work, I’m gonna need to start that out soon as well I just finished becoming everything now I have 900 ish purple per minute

[steep spindle]

I'm gonna take a small break and try SE

[long mauve]

@steep spindle I would finish you are close already..

[steep spindle]

true, just need and

[quiet sandal]

bleh

[long mauve]

thats the sign of a growing factory

[quiet sandal]

rocks in Factorio must be extremely magnetic despite not dropping any iron

why else would I constantly be crashing into them

[mossy saddle]

powerpoles have their own magnetic field too can't stop destroying them

[long mauve]

Ive been slowly getting more science done, heres a couple LDS prints so I can get that when the research is finished. 40 minutes away. beacons have really sped up the game

[mossy saddle]

how many are you producing now?

[long mauve]

looks like 1.4k blue

should be more, im assuming a red circuit bottleneck and soon a plastic bottleneck

actually its engines aka steel

well I should have 2.5 new belts of that done soon

Next on the agenda is a green circuit factory from ore I can place down so I do not have to train in ore, and see if cybersyn has a way to prioritize that over other green circuit factories. Then I can get blue circuits loaded on trains, frames made, and we are good for yellow

[mossy saddle]

lots of things to do!

[long mauve]

Yup, with the blueprints I have I am faster than my mall so that’s a good sign of expansion

[long mauve]

awesome! do you have prod3? @steep spindle

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[long mauve]

blue belts to I think, your set for a wihle

[steep spindle]

Ye, just need to figure out the last few pieces to the puzzle

is gonna eat quite a bit of copper

[long mauve]

it does, which Is why I have dedicated copper patches for it

[steep spindle]

I made a new smelter tonight with bots that is getting hooked in the next time I play

[long mauve]

using logi bots to smelt ore?

[steep spindle]

Not yet, used construction to place the build tho

[long mauve]

ah okay, guess you are using bots

[steep spindle]

Yeah, after the talk we had the other day about them I started mass producing

[long mauve]

yeah they are really good!

[steep spindle]

Indeed! I gotta hit the sack and sleep. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have a starting build for them going

[long mauve]

cya later then!

[steep spindle]

Ttyl 👋

[quiet sandal]

had taken a break from my x1000 run, I've been playing a lot of Minecraft Blightfall recently

it seems that my favorite type of games are ones where I constantly have to be working

[modern citrus]

Hehe

I realized I’d not really left myself enough room … so I started over, with a new smelting configuration idea. Instead of putting the smelting columns right next to one another, I’ve got them offset by 1 tile. This lets me put a second entire row of similarly spaced smelting columns behind the first row … sort of stacking them up. So while the total square footage required for smelting actually increases somewhat, it fits in a shorter (if far wider) space. I’m looking at 20 smelting columns for stone (to make 10 belts of stone brick), 72 smelting columns for copper, 57 for iron plate, 70 for steel (makes 14 belts of steel plate)… gonna be one WAF bus. Smelting is ghosted in now, won’;t actually be built until I actually need that column

[steep spindle]

I'm getting a build rolling now

[long mauve]

@modern citrus thats a ton of smelting, what SPM are you going for? at that scale I would use trains and ore -> circuit so it saves space and complexity of routing that many belts

[spark idol]

Yeah I’d be using trains

[modern citrus]

Trains will be used to get material to the bus base

[vagrant anchor]

I would recommend getting blue science and bots first before scaling so much

Also don't use a bus just feed resources straight into science production

Bus is very inefficient with this

[steep spindle]

I used a bus till

[slim kelp]

o/

[steep spindle]

[slim kelp]

my last attempt was with biters on, and that just doesn't work, despite the severe reduction in evolution parameters... it still doesn't match the 1000x drop in research performance

I was still researching first levels of bullet damage when they were already at 30% or so with medium biters attacking

so I guess... scratch that game, and do a "normal" 1000x without biters, just megabase the hell out of it :)

but, to make it a bit more interesting, it will be default resources ;) Lots of mining patches to be eaten :D

no 600% entire map is covered in resources stuff :P

[vagrant anchor]

We should try default settings 1kx

It should be technically possible

Or maybe maxed resources since it'll be near impossible to expand to more resources later on

[slim kelp]

going out just 50 chunks out even on default results in patches 20+ million in size, so it's only a problem early game with those tiny 500k-1m patches in the starter area

so basically to make this work, trains need to be rushed, some decent steel production for the rails, and then it's not a problem anymore

obviously belting in from 50 chunks away is not going to cut it

[mossy saddle]

it'll still be a very hard thing to do probably mainly since defenses are very far ahead and you got to go kill bases, unless you got a teammate you won't be able to easely do it

[modern citrus]

I’m at frequency 17%, richness and size 600%, personally

[marble stream]

If your biter settings is not 1/1000 of default it's gonna be hard
Also you can get a huge evo on just base kills, so it also should be heavily decreased

[slim kelp]

all of it was heavily decreased but still wasn't enough, they were still evolving much faster than research

[vagrant anchor]

you could technically do it with some luck, a lot of patience and earlygame shenanigans with default biters

and a good seed

resources will be a problem if they arent turned up a lot though

the defenses would likely be just a rush for flamers with red ammo in the middle of it (since it should be more cost efficient compared to the science until flamers)

after flamers you just go on a nest clearing rampage (behemoths dont matter just bruteforce them) and make a huge perimeter of flamers, since evolution doesnt matter anymore and the main thing needed is minimal attacking per wall

and with a super thick wall it should be able to deal with enough attacks to reach bots

you will likely need to go for a few massive wall replacements though

basically, evolution doesnt matter, you cant really do much about it, its more of controlling the attacks you get

as long as you arent producing more pollution to defend than what the attack absorbed it should be fine

[slim kelp]

it's impossible to "rush" anything... the bigger you build to get the science quicker, the faster they evolve

by the time flamers are reached (assuming that even happens), they are already at 90%+...

evolution is the most important thing with biters until reaching end tech, nothing else, their numbers are irrelevant if all are tiny

[languid stump]

I think if you wanted to make it work with biters you would have to increase the terrain pollution absorption and increase starting size to 600%

[slim kelp]

but hey, feel free to prove me wrong, play a game and win with biters on default :)

[languid stump]

Oh yeah no default isn’t happening

The ‘gimmick’ for my x1000 run was no early bot mod xD

I hand built to robots. Was pain

Biters would prob be worse

[slim kelp]

that's the way to do it. Otherwise it's not a challenge, just a basic megabase build

[vagrant anchor]

as in, beeline

and you need to just control pollution earlygame, no way around that

key is not getting attacked

and i dont think youll get to behemoths before flamers

its not that expensive of a tech