High Science Multiplier

[languid stump]

Ye

So I think I’ll find a spot with 2 copper for lds and 1 iron, and 1 iron / 1 copper for processing unit

[long mauve]

looks like we did actually

[languid stump]

lol

I love it

[long mauve]

join the dark side, use trains!

[languid stump]

Nah it’s too late now

I don’t even have signals, stations, fluid wagons

I think I have locations for the new factories

[long mauve]

yeah too late then lol

[languid stump]

With minimal roboport grid growth too

600% size / 600% richness iron / copper very OP

[steep spindle]

Y'all are just doing this?

[languid stump]

The loop is important

Almost

[stuck dove]

yes that's basically what I have
I made a second version with military science if you want me to post the bp

you need the rate limiter, (which is what the combinators were doing)

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

Blueprint 1

[stuck dove]

I hope that works I don't have circuits or blue belts researched

[languid stump]

oh hey im 30% of the way to assembly3

[steep spindle]

The combinators are on the input splitter yeah?

No, they are on the belt before the splitter

I have to go back to work but that opens a whole new ball game

[stuck dove]

the combinator just makes each belt turn on 1/7th of the time, so only 1/7th of the belt can pass through
times seven belts gets you exactly a full belt of mixed science

[steep spindle]

Thanks, I'll look at that tonight with the combinator and see

Because that seems like that would be easier to beacon

The problem would be the throughput I think

[stuck dove]

my design has full 2700 spm

the science that doesn't make it through the rate limiter heads down to the next one

[steep spindle]

2700 per line?

[stuck dove]

if you put 7 of these on top of each other, it will split 7 full belts of science into 7 full belts of mixed science

[steep spindle]

Right and those seven full belts make the 2700. That's the question I'm asking

Because I would have to make that twice to make my current build the same

Cuz my current Galaga science without beacons does 5600

[stuck dove]

I don't really understand the question
it can handle a full belt of each science, for 2700 spm

you can probably fit another belt in, and tile it 14 times total, for 2700 spm * 2

[steep spindle]

I can play around with that combinator and see what I'll do

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

Blueprint 1

(Modded features are shown as question marks)

[stuck dove]

try this

[languid stump]

nope.

[steep spindle]

2 input belts

Yikes

[stuck dove]

yeah it's 2700 spm * 2

[steep spindle]

I already do that but wow

[stuck dove]

I'm just making sure it works, which I probably should have done first

[languid stump]

nice spot for those 11 belts for lds

[stuck dove]

ok no this doesn't work

[languid stump]

oh

good thing I didnt install it yet haha

[stuck dove]

no the one I linked you earlier for 2700 spm works

the one with two input belts doesn't

[languid stump]

oh cool ok

think it will work without blue belts?

[stuck dove]

the one I linked you? it should work fine, assuming the undergrounds reach

though it would go down in spm due to throughput

im working on a 2 belt design

I may have to make it wider though

oof it is one tile higher

[steep spindle]

I am going to figure the sushi system out tonight

I have an idea of a design

[stuck dove]

ok my new design seems to function

kinda rough that it doesn't line up exactly though, since the sushi is one tile higher

not sure how many labs in a row I need
I'm just going to put like 20 for now and stress test it with mining productivity

[steep spindle]

That's what I planned on doing

[stuck dove]

oh I should add lights too

[languid stump]

10 of these, I should be good to go

or 11 if i actually want to meet the full target but it takes it above 1 belt steel and meh

okay I added second coal and steel anyway

[stuck dove]

288 labs not enough lol

(24 per row, 14 rows)

[steep spindle]

I had 1,680

[stuck dove]

im testing 30 labs per row now (360 total)
these are fully beaconed so I don't need as many

looking pretty good so far

gonna run it for a minute

[steep spindle]

[stuck dove]

ah, nice combed power poles

alright 5.4k I'll send the bp

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

5.4k SPM

[steep spindle]

All labs have 8 beacons?

That looks crazy

[stuck dove]

edge ones probably have 6

it's an 8 beacon design, meant to be efficient with beacons

so I don't want to have edge ones only powering one machine

[languid stump]

blue chip plant :D.

[steep spindle]

👍

Nice!

[long mauve]

looks good! do you need multiple copies for yellow?

[languid stump]

1 each gives ~10 hours for rocket silo research!

[long mauve]

oh nice! perfect then

[languid stump]

Which I think means I could finish this run tomorrow if I want

Suppose I’ll try a robot frame blueprint in editor while I’m at it

I think I could connect it, queue the research, let it run all night, and prob win tomorrow morning

[steep spindle]

[long mauve]

ill have to play all night to beat you then.. clocks ticking

[steep spindle]

You both aggravated me 😂 needing a yellow build and I think I can do it after is done

[languid stump]

Race to the finish

[long mauve]

lets go :D

[steep spindle]

This is you two racing to beat each other

[languid stump]

Stack size 3 coming for my stack Inserters while I wait for more purple science for assembly 3

But then after those 2 researches it’s just prod 3 + speed 3 + rocket control unit + rocket silo

Hopefully I can build my yellow science a bit earlier so it can just start working without the full equipment

Making that 10 hours start a lil sooner ideally :D.

Or maybe not since it’s 10 hours of purp science too

I guess I should just build more solar

still need more speed2s

[steep spindle]

Stonks

[languid stump]

14 new iron ore belts to steel :D.

purple is about to get a lot hungrier

[long mauve]

lots of smelting :D

[long mauve]

I was proud to be using 4K for solar lol

[long mauve]

oh yeah yours is much longer distance

[languid stump]

Voyager

my top power consumer is roboport

[steep spindle]

Damn

[languid stump]

going strong still!

More solar needed :3

[marble stream]

Have you considered using more trains for solar delivery?

[languid stump]

I’m not using trains for anything:p

[marble stream]

Wait why

[steep spindle]

Because he's crazy

[languid stump]

They cost research

And I have very rich ore patches and predictable demand

And science packs / ingredients can get compressed a lot at ore patches too

[marble stream]

@languid stump then you should use belts for the solar panels distribution
They have a predictable demand as well

[languid stump]

Nah I’m good

The current situation is working perfectly

I’d much rather put panels on the ground than on a belt

[steep spindle]

[long mauve]

you should design a really complicated solar delivery system so I can catch up

[languid stump]

Sneaky

Yeah nah I think I’m almost done making solar

Since I still have a GW of burner too, I can use that as I close it out

And even if it crashes at night sometimes it should be fine since the sun will come back up and no biters to punish me.

[long mauve]

very cursed

[languid stump]

I wanna get off this damn rock!

[long mauve]

cant blame you

[languid stump]

After I finish ima open up SE again and go arco hunting

[steep spindle]

I'm gonna get tonight and hopefully stabilize circuits

[long mauve]

im gonna launch a rocket tonight!

[steep spindle]

[long mauve]

@steep spindle what was that mod that showed all the sciences needed?

[tepid axle]

Research Counter

Find out how much research you have left to go!

Owner

343N

Downloads

1581

[steep spindle]

One sec that might not be it

Nope that's the one I believe

Unless I got a different author, I can check in about 20m

[long mauve]

thats it i think, thank you

looks like I have 4 million of just red/green before I can deconstruct some of those

[steep spindle]

I just double checked, yeah it is, yw

It doesn't like to track mods tho

It tries to

[long mauve]

my list is mostly vanilla it should be fine

[steep spindle]

Going for an all out war on science

Changing the science labs before I do anything tho

[quiet sandal]

ok, 5400/m red circuit build is complete

now I just need to build the copper smelting and green circuit production...

[stuck dove]

ok I'm gonna make the rails now that I actually researched them
im gonna just do 1-4 96x96, might make ore trains 4 times as long because long trains look cool
it probably wont deadlock as long as there are train limits anyway

so I'm just going to go through my list and make all those bps (and also try to make a stacker and the other kind of station)
is there an easy way to share bp books? I know there's the "bp book extract" thing from the bot, but it doesn't have images, and idk if it works on nested books

I am going to do 4-spacing, picked at random

[steep spindle]

gonna let some science run, be back in a bit

[stuck dove]

what is Logistics doing there

[steep spindle]

I got dual belt mods

Advanced Belt and Ultimate Belts

[stuck dove]

bob's logistics (real)

anyway behold, nighttime

[long mauve]

you share the blueprint string which then you can import into your own games

[stuck dove]

rip, was hoping there was a way to display images of each blueprint

[long mauve]

there is

[vagrant anchor]

I just did everything in line for the red tech cards

[long mauve]

1/6 of the way there

[vagrant anchor]

Damn nice

[mossy saddle]

ooh okay since I couldn't figure out how to make a nice build for the cores;;

they require to much xd

[vagrant anchor]

You don't need much of them at all

[stuck dove]

this is rough
I decided to let it go into the next block over as long as it didn't mess with other rails, but the "station" part just isn't long enough, should I be making it out of a 2 by 2 block?

my "siding" style station just barely fits inside the 96x96 grid

[quiet sandal]

your blocks should be based around the size of train you plan to use

from there if a block is too small for what you need, you can just remove sections of track to make it bigger

[steep spindle]

I've never used city blocks and don't want to

[stuck dove]

I'm not doing city blocks

I just kind of want to try out this station design but I'm not sure how to do it

[vagrant anchor]

Would recommend to leave space to expand the stacker a lot more if needed

And also make sure that the input/output has access to both lanes

[stuck dove]

1. wym?
2. wym? like I should attach it to a 3way on the left?

[vagrant anchor]

2. Yeah sorta

Basically like this

Gimme a while I'll send you my station design

[stuck dove]

this is the station I already have, it just barely fits (1-4 trains, train limit 2, can be pasted on "Straight" section)

[vagrant anchor]

You can't add any more stops within the confines unless you do some rail twisting though

[stuck dove]

I guess I could move the bottom rail? idk maybe I should just stick with the "Siding" style stop I already have

[steep spindle]

yay!

muahahahaa

[vagrant anchor]

@stuck dove this is my 2lane chunk alinged book i made

should be deadlock free

the stacker you can just rip out the circuit stuff and the train stop

[steep spindle]

instant boost!

[stuck dove]

im really confused

[steep spindle]

from 2.1 to 4.7 LOL

[stuck dove]

I looked through the blueprints and now I'm even more confused

[vagrant anchor]

the left side is the stacker, the right side is the station

[stuck dove]

stackers have train stops?

[vagrant anchor]

i have a train stop based stacker and a system to blare an alarm if there isnt enough stuff going to that station

you can just rip out all the circuits

[stuck dove]

I also don't know what these are doing

[steep spindle]

lmao.... WHAT problem

[stuck dove]

8 to 4 to 12

[steep spindle]

huh?

8-4-6

is the current setup

[stuck dove]

8 lanes to 4 lanes, then 4 1-3 balancers to 12 lanes

and actually a splitter at the end so 24 lanes

[vagrant anchor]

to add a stacker or add a station

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle I think something is fishy lol

[vagrant anchor]

wtf??

is it using rocket fuel as a dummy item

[steep spindle]

I hope the recipe didn't change

we will see

upgrading all my science to right now

[quiet sandal]

I've hit 100 hours

[steep spindle]

nice

[steep spindle]

I now have a plastics issue

that can be resolved tomorrow, happy with the progress of getting the AM3's and green circuits up

[quiet sandal]

oops

all out of stone

[steep spindle]

when I figure out the I'll have rolling

[long mauve]

Plastic is always so annoying

[steep spindle]

I am that close

but I need to fix Plastic and the science build

[vagrant anchor]

What's that blue silo

[long mauve]

I don’t need sleep I’m getting there tonight

[vagrant anchor]

Finishing faster will just make you start another torture session

[vagrant anchor]

Why would you ever need that

[steep spindle]

you can set it so you don't launch a rocket if there is space science in the cargo

cant do that with the normal silo

[vagrant anchor]

Just wire up the satellite inserter

[steep spindle]

I've tried that...

[vagrant anchor]

It should work

[steep spindle]

I'll re look at it tomorrow, ive used that mod since I've found modding existed after I kept trying to figure out wiring and it not work. You can't actually attach wiring to the silo w/o that mod

Fixing plastic and science labs are tomorrows project

Because that will smooth out science

[vagrant anchor]

You don't need to

Just disable satellite insertion once space science buffer is above a threshold

[steep spindle]

It would have to be above 0

[vagrant anchor]

Wdym

[steep spindle]

The condition

I've never had luck with it and that's why I just used the mod

[vagrant anchor]

Just disable it when you hit like 1 full train load of space science or smth

[steep spindle]

Good luck, how close are you

[long mauve]

copper is an issue now

[quiet sandal]

when is it not

have fun with those LDS

[steep spindle]

Oh you are gunning real hard for it

[mossy saddle]

Interesting

[steep spindle]

Yeah, I hope it's not lol

G night y'all

[mossy saddle]

Good night buddy

[vagrant anchor]

@languid stump do you know what tech is needed to discover the ||ring||? Would be nice since it gives a lot of ship parts that I can use for a good personal ship

[languid stump]

||Astronomic science ||

[vagrant anchor]

Which level

[languid stump]

||Three||

[vagrant anchor]

Is it the deep space zone discovery or smth

Ah shit

Nevermind then

[languid stump]

Spoilers if you would :D.

[vagrant anchor]

Such a bummer, will already be able to just make my own spaceships at that point

Guess I'll be stuck with a tiny personal ship for a while

[quiet sandal]

Yeah it’s a very end game research

[languid stump]

factory begin

so close...

ima set this processing unit plant to work making prod3 while I setup lds

[wraith pagoda]

just got my 6 lanes of engines for my 10800 blue sci 2400 assemblers haha

[languid stump]

That’s a lot of science!

You’ll be cooking through blue tech

[wraith pagoda]

the steel for it lols

yea dont think i can keep 10800 for yellow and purple think my computer will die

[languid stump]

I think you can if you just plan it for beacons and prod3

And let it start slow while you unlock beacon, assembly 3, prod3/speed3

[wraith pagoda]

ill tear it down once i got prod three beacons

[languid stump]

That works too

I don’t have a lot left for my rocket so I’m just hobbling along

Gotta connect a few belts and pipes for the blue chips, make some modules there from it, then make a big lds factory in the same style somewhere else. Then convert my mall into making only robot frames, then wait, I think

[wraith pagoda]

very odd ratios in blue sci
https://kirkmcdonald.github.io/calc.html#data=1-1-19&min=2&furnace=steel-furnace&belt=fast-transport-belt&items=chemical-science-pack:r:10800

for 6 lanes of blue sci , you need 9 lanes of red circuit and 6 lanes of engines and 3 lanes of sulfar

[steep spindle]

[languid stump]

final construction wave!

[steep spindle]

Go go go go!!!

Tonight is science and build

[languid stump]

Getting my drills for lds up

All I need is the rocket control unit and silo now

Purple science is buffering up

I’m tempted to cannibalize part of the steel for purple for lds

Still no robot frame factory either…

the hallowed blue chip is mine

15/second

brought to you by: prod modules

[long mauve]

my blue science was broken because my red circuit train was in manual mode

[steep spindle]

Uh oh

[long mauve]

because of that and some other reasons, I am going to change all these to use cybersyn

[steep spindle]

I wish factorio had electric trains

[stuck dove]

at least we're getting fuel interrupts

there's an electric trains mod though iirc

[long mauve]

cyber syn has those ( fuel interrupts )

[steep spindle]

Only mod I have for trains in auto painting

[languid stump]

final print :3

[long mauve]

must be fun designing things instead of changing combinators at stations ;p

[languid stump]

Yeah I’m actually just gonna grab belts from my mall for this one

Apparently it was built up enough to make the robot frames…

Might have to pop a few more beacons on the batteries, that’s it

The lds is getting built rn

Severe red belt shortage

ah yes

[steep spindle]

Damn

[languid stump]

built in last hour

[long mauve]

220m is insane haha

[languid stump]

Now the last test will be whether my power crashes as yellow starts to work

Which… honestly maybe. I kinda stopped building anymore solar xD

[long mauve]

how much solar do you have? I started spamming them and got up to 74K panels haha

[languid stump]

62k apparently

[steep spindle]

Damn

[languid stump]

So hopefully that and my 1 GW boiler will work

[steep spindle]

I only have 25k

[languid stump]

op

Okay the lds and yellow science/ frames are building… just a little more spaghetti to connect the last few things!

I basically just did a spaghetti x1000

Spaghetti works at any scale confirmed

[steep spindle]

[languid stump]

I think I won’t be able to launch today though

Probably tomorrow, after a night of afk research

[steep spindle]

I don't think fireball was close later I looked

Don't know how much afk happened haha

[long mauve]

so your saying theres a chance

[languid stump]

Yea :D.

[long mauve]

not much blue decided to die and now all my trains are on a strike

[languid stump]

Oh no xD

[long mauve]

im trying to figure out cyber syn again lol its not sending out a train for some reason

[languid stump]

That will be a fun mod to learn

Flood doing crazy things with it

Maybe too crazy

[steep spindle]

I gave to figure out science sushi, and an build tonight

[languid stump]

Lol I walked back to my pc to my steam engines going full blast…

Maybe a few more solar fields xD

[long mauve]

yeah his map has looked insane

[languid stump]

1hr average

wait that could be the wood burner tho cause I did have 10k bots working hmm

[long mauve]

I have used 3 mw of burner in the last 10 hour

[steep spindle]

I have like 40k wood scattered all over my damn base

[languid stump]

I added another 100 MW

breh

use filtered storage chests xD

or oh wait

you accumulated it by hand huh?

[long mauve]

84k for me

[languid stump]

/ no bots

[steep spindle]

It's just from placing building and solar down and yeah the train collected it

[long mauve]

gotta upgrade those belts

[languid stump]

gimme

oh wait i should make it mk3 duh

[steep spindle]

Put it in the silo!!!

[languid stump]

I dont have one yet xD

but I will

[steep spindle]

xD

[long mauve]

oh im stupid xD

[steep spindle]

🤔

[long mauve]

good thing I didnt reconfigure all my stations I messed up the request combinator

or maybe I didnt nothings happening

[steep spindle]

Again

Lol

[quiet sandal]

I built a second 24 red belt smelting array for iron

now to copy and build this again, but for copper

no bots btw

[long mauve]

thats a lot of smelting before bots

[steep spindle]

Welcome to the no bot club!

[quiet sandal]

because why should I have built a simple chem science setup 30 hours ago when I could spend that time doing other things

[languid stump]

I think everything is connected :3.

maybe I can put down some machines where rcu will be

[long mauve]

it was the simplest mistake I could have made after 15 minutes of debugging. I had the train limit set to 0

[steep spindle]

how down bad my red build and science labs are right now

[languid stump]

annnd the waiting begins

[mossy saddle]

noiceeee

[languid stump]

oh

xD

[steep spindle]

NICE!

[languid stump]

well I threw down 360 MW more boiler

hopefully that will do it

[long mauve]

more solar!

[languid stump]

ouchie

[long mauve]

enough power they said

goodluck getting that much more

[steep spindle]

yikes

all the while getting this to fix is >.<

[languid stump]

hopefully that can hold out

[steep spindle]

closer lol

maybe and

[languid stump]

Well I dropped more solar too.

300 MW more ish

But at this point if it crashes for a few seconds every night I don’t mind too much

Should still have rocket silo by the morning I think

Hopefully :D.

Wouldn’t be all that surprised if I come back and something is terribly broken

Was getting a little lazy near the end

[vagrant anchor]

time to start the rail base!

[languid stump]

What’s the first train gonna be?

[vagrant anchor]

fuel train

[languid stump]

Ha, good choice

Second train?

[vagrant anchor]

not sure, more fuel trains?

probably ores

[steep spindle]

O.o

[mossy saddle]

mine was that too xD so that I could feed the trains

[vagrant anchor]

I'm actually a bit worried about running out of space on nauvis lol

Though beacons should make builds a lot smaller

[mossy saddle]

well Ive got to slaughter loads of biters soon xd

[vagrant anchor]

Good luck lol

Thankfully I don't have to deal with that

I'm gonna build 10.8k spm of all 4 tech cards

Nevermind I probably wont

I might just build 5.4k first before beacons

[mossy saddle]

you can do it!

is there a way to void things early game

[vagrant anchor]

Crusher, flare stack

[mossy saddle]

Time to get rid of all my wood

[vagrant anchor]

Just feed into fuel processors lol

[mossy saddle]

To much work!

[steep spindle]

FASTER BELTS!

And bigger inserters!

HOLY @#$!

[vagrant anchor]

nice nice

[steep spindle]

I can get rid of the Ultimate Belts mod, because Advanced Belts has the 60 I/s

[languid stump]

I got up this morning and checked the silo progress. Seems oil wells depleting hurt my spm. I applied beacons, should be 5-6 hours until silo unlock

[steep spindle]

Oof

[languid stump]

getting there!

[steep spindle]

Oh you are close!!

GO GO GO GO

[languid stump]

I’ve got all the ingredients for the rocket already too

Literally just a waiting game now

[steep spindle]

The 770 parts?

[languid stump]

720, 4 prod modules, ye

[steep spindle]

I'm keeping advanced belts until 2.0 now

It's got a 60 I/s belt

Let the design prep begin! Lol

[vagrant anchor]

i can finally hit n

its been so long without it

[languid stump]

Congrats!!’

First rocket science research… prod2 modules? 🙂

[steep spindle]

Nice!

[vagrant anchor]

probably yeah

but that isnt actually the rocket tech producing thing lol

its just a silo fed from my mall to get nav view

[languid stump]

Oh lol

Well, it’s most of the effort for rocket tech iirc

[vagrant anchor]

its grabbing stuff from my mall which is nowhere near enough

ill need a ton of them

[languid stump]

Dang

Well if there’s anything my x1000 taught me is that slow tech grabbed early, will add up

So maybe you can automate it at tiny speeds and have prod2s for the real setup

[steep spindle]

The quicker you get the early tech the better? Yeah

It took me about 6 hrs to get logistics 1

[languid stump]

I just mean like, the quicker you get any kind of automation, then add the scaling to boost it up

Cause everything takes a long time :D.

[vagrant anchor]

well its like 75k rocket tech for prod 2s

[steep spindle]

Oh

[vagrant anchor]

and prod 2s dont really shrink production by much due to the huge speed penalties

i might make my designs prod 2 compatiable i guess

[languid stump]

Eh, just put em in high end recipes and everything behind goes down

Think about how many inserter swings are feeding furnaces

For slow stuff yeah maybe don’t

Like those very furnaces

What are the slow stats on your prod2?

[vagrant anchor]

well, ill just make science first

[languid stump]

Is it -10%?

[vagrant anchor]

maybe like 3.6k spm of each first

-15%

[languid stump]

So for a 3 module machine, effective output will be 76.7%

For 65% input

[vagrant anchor]

yeah

[languid stump]

Meaning you need about… 4/3 machines on any 3 module step

Not too shabby

[vagrant anchor]

i think maybe ill build some rocket tech and train it over to the labs

but i also need to fix my ups issue like right now

[languid stump]

Oh wait I did bad math haha

[vagrant anchor]

so im thinking of just building 3.6k with prod 1s but with prod 2s in mind

[steep spindle]

Guys #friday-facts is going off the rails right now

It's kinda funny

[languid stump]

3 module machine: 65% output, 55% input

2 module machine: 78% output, 70% input

[languid stump]

That seems smart to me

Except maybe electric furnaces keep on prod1

[vagrant anchor]

i might just eff mod some of the stuff

since i dont have many solar panels because steel is slow

[languid stump]

I love eff mods but I don’t think it’s really the situation tbh

[vagrant anchor]

ill build for theoratical 3.6k output with prod 2s so itll be a bit lower with prod 1s

[languid stump]

Make more steel xD

[vagrant anchor]

im very lazy

[languid stump]

lol fair enough but

You are just getting started with this x1k

[vagrant anchor]

yep

and its already been 100 hours

but trains are beginning to get setup

[steep spindle]

Ouch

I'm now uninstalling Ultimate Belts when I get home, and keeping Advanced Belts

Because Advanced Belts has the 60 I/s

And it's green LOL

[vagrant anchor]

wtf stacked belts

this is crazy

and bulk inserters can even fill fully before swinging

this is going to be so nice

[mossy saddle]

how much total science?

rocket silo is 500k for me

[steep spindle]

Ours is 1m

So he's put 650k in there

[mossy saddle]

oh we got it cheaper! 😛

[steep spindle]

🤣

[mossy saddle]

I've just made a monstrositie and I'm proud

[languid stump]

Tbf we can use prod3 when researching it too

My yellow science only required me to grab 3 copper patches and 2 iron patches xD

Gotta love modules

[steep spindle]

I'm gonna have a heart attack trying to get military and utility science together lol

[mossy saddle]

why?

[steep spindle]

Only yellow science I've ever built is collapsed with purple at 68/m

[mossy saddle]

if you want

you can help me with yellow 😛

[steep spindle]

And only military is like with my starter base remainder items it's a mall science lol

[languid stump]

GGS - yellow science is easy if broke into 3 regions. Processing unit, lds, robot frame.

[steep spindle]

Still trying to figure out that sushi belt

[steep spindle]

🤔

[languid stump]

Those goods are super dense :D.

[steep spindle]

All I see is metric fuck ton of copper needed

[languid stump]

Yeah, plan for prod3 processing units and yellow science

And since you’re teching everything hell prod3 everything

Maybe not furnaces since so many

[steep spindle]

I need to prod 2 my smelter array

[languid stump]

Fair enough

I’d suggest making processing unit and lds at copper patches

Just smelt fresh right there and import the other stuff

[steep spindle]

Was about to ask about that

[languid stump]

Mhm steel comes in pretty densely, ideally you find a copper patch by iron for the processing unit tho

But you can just ship in iron as well

And the oil / coal involved is small.

[steep spindle]

The sulfuric acid?

[languid stump]

Or plastic / acid if you prefer to send it like that

I just made acid on site

But you can send it too doesn’t matter much

The biggest simplifier is just importing raw copper ore into those factories imo

In a balanced megabase (with space science) like 30% of all copper goes to lds, another 30% goes to processing unit

As they’re both used for space too

Just taking that off your train network and shared logistics entirely can make a lot of sense from that perspective when it’s 60% of all copper getting compressed right away

[mossy saddle]

Houston we have a problem

[languid stump]

[steep spindle]

[languid stump]

Can I see your pollution graphs? :D.

[mossy saddle]

all time?

[languid stump]

How about more recently?

1 hour

[mossy saddle]

that's my starter haven't booted up the trains yet

xD

[languid stump]

Wow

That’s a lot of stink

What’s the biter plan?

[steep spindle]

😂

[languid stump]

Too bad all of that is way out of his tech range lol

I think ?

[steep spindle]

"drops nuclear reactor and hits it with a rocket"

[languid stump]

Might be hard to heat up to 900 c before they eat it

[mossy saddle]

yeah it's hella far for me so what my plan is torture them with boredom

they're on peacefull for now else I would've been overrun already...

my first emf hits in a couple of hours

[steep spindle]

Is that that fu Lazer?

[mossy saddle]

the coronal mass ejection thingie

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[mossy saddle]

I need 2GW worth of power...

to "beat" it

[steep spindle]

I can start planning 60 I/s builds haha

Double speed

Is nuts

[mossy saddle]

you got the next belt level?

[steep spindle]

No, not yet

But when I do get it

[mossy saddle]

I hope soon!

[steep spindle]

150k to go!

[steep spindle]

Nice base photo

[languid stump]

Most ready I’ve ever been lol

[steep spindle]

90% yet?

[languid stump]

87

[steep spindle]

Tag fireball

[languid stump]

1hour30 to wait

[steep spindle]

Lol

[languid stump]

@long mauve you still have time

[long mauve]

I do not

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

What will happen

[long mauve]

yesterday I just converted everything to cyber syn and it seems train traffic has atleast temperarily been cleared and I can expand easier

[languid stump]

Nice!

[steep spindle]

I need a yellow build to finish the game (technically) and a military build for completion

[long mauve]

how much science are blue belts btw?

I think its 300K?

[long mauve]

same just that and circuits. and I have a nice red circuits build stolen from putin but it requires blue belts

[steep spindle]

Idk got mine at

[long mauve]

i just need more ;p

[steep spindle]

But I think it's 300k

The silo mod I have requires a shit ton more stuff

[mossy saddle]

It's even more?

Or are you talking about the stages xd

[steep spindle]

The stages

[languid stump]

I didn’t get blue belts at all

I got very few optional techs really

Looks like I’ll finish around hour 150

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

I'll never finish dis hehe

[languid stump]

Yeah I’m worried 0.7 prob drops first :p

[steep spindle]

.7?

[mossy saddle]

0.7? O-o

[languid stump]

SE 0.7

[steep spindle]

Ah

[mossy saddle]

Oh is it a big update

[languid stump]

Huge yeah

Gonna change a ton of stuff

Like make interstellar a thing you need to do

Earlier ig

So many things, Idk

[mossy saddle]

Oh is there a release date yet

[long mauve]

I assume after the factorio expansion

[mossy saddle]

Oh easy I got plenty of time!

[steep spindle]

That sushi science combinator hard to make?

@long mauve

Or @stuck dove

I got busy and couldn't get it the other day

[long mauve]

easy

do you just want mitrus premade bp

[steep spindle]

I thought about a slightly different design

The combinator that fed the 7 belts

[long mauve]

#blueprint-designing message

the combinator is very easy

[steep spindle]

I could that that BP and just rip the combinator out

Looking for a 5k+ at 60s

[mossy saddle]

Does it work with other mods too?

[stuck dove]

it's a vanilla design so it should work with any mod

the combinator itself just counts from 1-7 then resets, basically
and the belts are only on if it's equal to 7, so they're only on a seventh of the time, meaning 7 belts of a seventh of each science, for a full belt of each science
(unless it's the design without military science, then just replace all 7s with 6s)

rate limiter stolen from codegreen

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

5.4k SPM

[stuck dove]

how to use:
inputs in the top left
there are two belts above a splitter filtered to red science. those take red science
et cetera

[steep spindle]

Power amount?

[long mauve]

alot

[steep spindle]

That's the 2 belt design right?

Ye it is cool, might yeet the combinator and trying something

[stuck dove]

yeah
it accepts two full blue belts of each science

[steep spindle]

I'm guessing the 12 lanes is the throughput max

[stuck dove]

yeah, 12 lanes total

5400 spm

there's no reason you can't add more lanes and tile it vertically though

[steep spindle]

3-4 lanes science and go crazy

🤣

So 7200 or 9600/m

Damn

[mossy saddle]

How much you producing ggs

[steep spindle]

Can technically run 4 lanes off of my trains

Setting up for future so I only rebuild this once

[languid stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1195436292075421846/image.png?ex=65b3fbce&is=65a186ce&hm=97ca789c25cfc2aef1928af9a4546e9b224c0b7b239e1ee86315dc5303792a47&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139677590393716737/1195436357301059675/image.png?ex=65b3fbdd&is=65a186dd&hm=c5f9e0b81cc381b73be603671a609d32d54e56a25d4a10812e6c51f8028567b8&

I am outta here. this was fun, thanks for the inspiration folks :D/

[mossy saddle]

10K+

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

congratss

[steep spindle]

Hit continue, you know you want to

[marble stream]

🎊 (╯°□°)╯︵ 🎊

[steep spindle]

Lol

[marble stream]

Could I get your science production statistics?

[languid stump]

Hehe I hit finish and loaded up the SE world xD

I can load the last save for ya

10 hour

purple laggin but had buffer of packs

this save 5 min before silo ig

[marble stream]

I mean the plot

[marble stream]

Thanks

[languid stump]

I was gonna take a pic of the graph but it looks like shit anyway

I loaded the se save again :p

[marble stream]

I can wait for a couple days, take your time

[languid stump]

What do you wanna see the graph for?

[marble stream]

Average/change over time is what I'm interested in

To see how much time did you spend on each color, and how did production grow, and when did it stall

[languid stump]

dunno what youll see really

like I said, looks like shit

I’m leaning it open this time xD

Lmk if you want another view or time or whatever

[marble stream]

Nah that's exactly what I want to see
(Well, yes, it look like shit, it's a raw data after all)

[marble stream]

Show me power production if it's still open lol

🤔
And build counts

Everything else is not really interesting I guess

[marble stream]

Lol 1GW boilers

[marble stream]

This is not a graph

[languid stump]

starter ore still workin

[marble stream]

I see you was upgrading your factory to red belts two days ago

[languid stump]

some of the red n green sci needed it ye

Can see from the build graphs there my having robots vs not

The build spikes get a bit more intense

Can also see my tendency to build things and then afk for a while before going on a new building project :p

[marble stream]

Yep, I see 12+hrs a day before

Did you left it over night?

[languid stump]

A few times yeah

You’d think more material would have been wasted on red belts to go belt only

But only about 1.5 million iron plate

Starter iron patch had way more than that xD

[marble stream]

Nah, red belts are very cheap, compared to their speed (30ips vs 11.5 plates)

[languid stump]

Yep I agree

But most people think they’re expensive idk

[marble stream]

They don't have a dedicated iron build

[languid stump]

Among other reasons, probably yeah

Prod moduled gears as a priority synergies well

[marble stream]

Well, yes, red belts are 8 times more expensive then yellow ones

[languid stump]

Eh

That kind of analysis ignores belt buffer :D.

[languid stump]

Basically yes to craft them, but not to use them, in my view.

[marble stream]

I consider their "payoff" rate to be 0.4sec (the time they take to move their cost)

Not hours like modules

[languid stump]

Eh I’m not sure that’s entirely fair

But I see what you’re saying

New miners and drills and belts should be cheap compared to modules; yeah

Usually at least

But gets complicated when you factor in having to use more ore patches instead of less, I find.

Ports or trains to connect them… bugs to clear… more buffered items

All that fun stuff

The module is like a whole factory of things (you don’t have to build) :D.

[marble stream]

Same as speedrunners, I guess it's counterproductive to train ores lol

[languid stump]

Mhm yeah

[marble stream]

At least make green chips

Or science if that's red/green/mil

[languid stump]

I took a minimum tech cost sort of approach which also makes trains feel kinda bad

If your interactions with them are limited to stack size 2…

[marble stream]

You didn't use trains?

[languid stump]

Zero trains :p

[marble stream]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think trains would be one of my priorities

...

[languid stump]

Yeah I respect that

But it does make you need about twice the green science before bots

[marble stream]

After bots

[languid stump]

Yeah fair enough

After bots i realized that purple and yellow don’t take much resources

Bc modules

[marble stream]

because before blue sci you can just spam blocks for red/green science from ores with builtin labs

[languid stump]

If you speed modules the patch, smelt with prod1, prod2 circuits / machining, prod3 science… it’s so few ore patches

So can make science or refined good essentially on site and send 1 belt long distance

[languid stump]

Maybe, for me it came down to my handbuilding speed

[marble stream]

...
what
don;t you have a mall

[languid stump]

If I had an early bot mod I bet I’d use trains

I had a mall

Hand building speed:p

Not hand crafting speed

[marble stream]

Ah
Did you use handbuild-optimized designs?

[languid stump]

At first no then I did because that sucked

Thought ups would bite harder with the crappy stack size Inserters

But I didn’t go that big so it didn’t

[marble stream]

Like that awful speedrunner shit with using red inserters only without yellow and blue ones
I always use that

[languid stump]

Makes me wanna make my new starter base for space age super hand build friendly

Yeah

Red only is amazing

So fast

Ima have to use that more, come 2.0

[steep spindle]

It's 6 lanes per belt input?

[stuck dove]

?

[steep spindle]

The science lab lanes

You said 12 belt throughput max, meaning it's about 6 lanes per input of science

[stuck dove]

each input is spread roughly across 6 lab rows yes

[steep spindle]

So 4 input lanes would need 24 yikes lol

[stuck dove]

yeah
you could probably put the next 12 rows of science to the right, tiling it a bit

like how my current furnaces that I'm working on are 3 deep since it routes more lanes between inserters

[quiet sandal]

With the stackers a 4 belt bus can be reduced down to a single belt

And the new belts would allow it to move 240 items a second

[steep spindle]

60*8?

[quiet sandal]

60*4 for a single belt

So now 4 belt buses could move 960 items a second

It’s pretty interesting that since each lane moves 30 items per second it’s reaching the limit where the belt would look like it’s not moving though

I guess that’s why the belts in SE max out at 90 items per second

Instead of 120

[steep spindle]

That might explain the belt mod I have maximum is 90 as well

[modern citrus]

So been away from my game for a couple days (24” forcemain break under a busy 6 lane street, we have two of the three westbound lanes closed as the break is under the pavement) but I have to admit not realizing how much COAL I would need just for milsci. 4 belts going onto the bus, not counting that used in plastic, is not enough for my 1800 SPM factory. Ouch

[stuck dove]

you're making military science?

[modern citrus]

Two words : power armor

[stuck dove]

fair enough

[long mauve]

my first military science will be beaconed I think

[stuck dove]

same

[steep spindle]

Are you doing 100% research too?

[long mauve]

getting all the researches? probably

[steep spindle]

I'm curious how long the atomic bomb is going to take to research lol

5M packs

[long mauve]

not long with 10K spm

[stuck dove]

well it's 45 seconds per pack

so 45 * 5 million / number of labs

times some variable relating to lab speed (research, modules, beacons)

and productivity

[long mauve]

instead of that math id do 5 million / spm you make

[steep spindle]

5m/10k is 500

[stuck dove]

500 minutes

[long mauve]

less than that with d labs

[stuck dove]

so 8 hours and 20 minutes without prod

[long mauve]

easy!

[steep spindle]

THERE IS NO SPOON lol

[marble stream]

How long is a 1000x spoon?

[mossy saddle]

to long xD

[steep spindle]

I was commenting on the 8hr achieve since it's the same time as a x1k atomic bomb research with 10k/m science

[long mauve]

8000 hours ;p

[marble stream]

I guess it should be 80 hours
Because, like, you can get 1000SPM, and you can win the game with 20 or something

[steep spindle]

Lol

[steep spindle]

Who knows an actual amount. My next game won't have so much afk time

And I'm getting rid of a mod when I get home

[marble stream]

What mod

[steep spindle]

Belt mod

[steep spindle]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/UltimateBelts

Because I have

[marble stream]

Not used it ever lol?

I too when I tried it

[tepid axle]

Advanced Belts

This mod added advanced belts, splitters and undergrounds belts.

Has support for loaders from other mods.

Owner

Warnone

Downloads

15333

[marble stream]

Too expensive

[steep spindle]

I have the advanced one

Much nicer

[marble stream]

Ah
Do you use it?

[steep spindle]

Yes

[steep spindle]

It's got a 60 I/s in it

[marble stream]

What's required research and belt price per 1?

[steep spindle]

Each tier is belts of the previous tier+ a small amount of new stuff

There is an option to make in

Which puts the green belt science where the blue belt was

[vagrant anchor]

Oh wow that was fast

Now get all non infinite research

[languid stump]

haha nahhh

I loaded back up SE

[long mauve]

Congrats! How did I miss this

[steep spindle]

is it complicated to add to this?

I'm guessing just change this to a 7?

and all of those to a 7

[languid stump]

thanks!!! :D.

one of the bigger things that helped me was speed1 miners

made it so 36 drills gave a red belt of ore

[steep spindle]

shit to fat but hey 11.6k

damn fam

gawd damn

what the hell did you 2 magicians do

sad thing is I could go place that monster in my base right now

[stuck dove]

yeah just change everything to a 7

[steep spindle]

11.6k

25k science in 2m

hot damn

[stuck dove]

all hail sushi

when I get to that point, I'll make a better™️ version

[steep spindle]

it literally blew through 7 mining prod researches in like 5-8m

[stuck dove]

are those x1 costs though?

[steep spindle]

yes

i'm launching mining prod to level 30

just to see what the x1k cost is

now my BP wont do the ./bp file

dual combinator blaster. prolly just need 1 yeah?

do I dare do it

@marble stream

from earlier

[long mauve]

I need to do that then!

[stuck dove]

it should work fine with upgrading/downgrading belts, might change the number of labs though

[steep spindle]

I'd just want it to be the full k/m

lets just check it

LUL

so even at 60 i/s it is barely returning back to the front

aight I'm convinced...

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah that's megabases for you

It's actually a gigabase at that point

21.6k spm

[steep spindle]

this is only 11.6k

[vagrant anchor]

Only one side?

[steep spindle]

both combined

[vagrant anchor]

Isn't one of those 60/s belts 5.4k

And even more with prod

[steep spindle]

that is still 5.8k

[vagrant anchor]

6.48k spm with prod for one belt

[steep spindle]

same spm consumed

[vagrant anchor]

You need more labs

[steep spindle]

if its 60i/s yes

but these are 45i/s builds

just wanted to see if it would loop back on itself

.

and nope

you can even extend the 45i/s build

[languid stump]

+60% ore from a patch there, and 2 steps of prod1 smelting almost doubles steel output per iron patch :p

1.86x

[steep spindle]

hmmmmm

barely a belt further

so reality take after letting it blast for a bit, its 1 belt longer

Houston we have found problem #1 ....

[stuck dove]

reposting here

At level 30 and with a 1000x science cost:
Worker Robot Speed = 8,388,608,000,000
Mining Productivity = 67,500,000
Physical Projectile Damage = 8,388,608,000,000
Stronger Explosives = 8,388,608,000,000
Refined Flammables = 8,388,608,000,000
Energy Weapons Damage = 8,388,608,000,000
Artillery Shell Range = 1,073,741,824,000,000
Artillery Shell Speed = 68,630,377,364,884,000,000
Follower Robot Count = 3,300,000
The total cost for this level is 68,631,493,049,818,800,000

[steep spindle]

the stock pile begins for

[steep spindle]

@stuck dove wish I woulda know the power that science labs took lol

ate my power grind alive LOL

will fix that tomorrow tho while letting purple back up

I think I have enough for research so the second I get that grid online its go time

Legit required 2gw when it kicked on

[long mauve]

2 gw for just the labs??

[steep spindle]

it cranked...

[long mauve]

so im not overbuilding solar, got it

[steep spindle]

I have to rebuild this mess too

however.... damn it

9600+3600+2100=15,300/m consumption (current rate w/o changes....

I need to bump this guy up a LOT

12800+3202 is just current rates consumption 😢

plenty of room

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint not found!

[steep spindle]

?

[spark idol]

Here I go

[quiet sandal]

I'm stuck

can't move forward

[spark idol]

I’m thinking about doing expensive mode

[steep spindle]

save and reload?

[spark idol]

This is the belts pushing

[mossy saddle]

Deletus the belts

[steep spindle]

SUSHI ACTIVATION

On this episode of will my power break....

[mossy saddle]

Is that the thingy of mitru??

[steep spindle]

yes

with some altercations....

[mossy saddle]

@stuck dove is it possible to use it on 3 sciences or less then the full input

[steep spindle]

I went a little happy

[steep spindle]

it worked when I had a rolling

so I'd assume so

the combinator was interesting

[mossy saddle]

Then I'd be able to use it probably

Just got to fix the splitters and the combs then prob

[stuck dove]

yeah I don't see why not
it will just have empty spaces where the other science would go

[mossy saddle]

Ooh if I need help can I ask?

[stuck dove]

sure

[steep spindle]

problem spotted

[mossy saddle]

Thank youu

Aiii no energy ggs!

[steep spindle]

BRUH

😢

[quiet sandal]

no coal moment

[mossy saddle]

Lol what happend ggs

[steep spindle]

Accumulators died

[mossy saddle]

Do you always depend on accumulators?

[steep spindle]

Need to crank from 2.2GW constant to 7GW

Yeah during the day it's 100% fine

[mossy saddle]

Already 1.2k beacons damnnn

Time for nuclear!!

[steep spindle]

Nuclear is a huge UPS issue

[mossy saddle]

oh you got UPS issues?

[steep spindle]

Not currently

[quiet sandal]

then sounds like you could use some nuclear

[steep spindle]

I need some def

[mossy saddle]

sounds like a need for an upgraded pc