High Science Multiplier

[elder rover]

O.O

[languid stump]

It kinda plays really well with science multiplier tbh

It has an expanded set of not amplified science cost techs

[elder rover]

100x isnt that bad tbh

[languid stump]

Yea

At the time 100x was peak crazy

No one was doing 1000x

Lol

[quiet sandal]

I have left my coal supply issues sitting for a bit too long

[elder rover]

if there was a mod to compress science like you compress cobblestone in modded miencraft, id do even higher than 1kx science

i jsut dont want the ups hit

of trying to do like 50kspm

[languid stump]

I been letting my 1000x game afk more. I’m trying to finish this shit haha

[languid stump]

I feel like the numbers become meaningless if you add stuff like that

[vagrant anchor]

It gets you to being able to actually expand I suppose?

[languid stump]

Yeah pretty much

[elder rover]

never played Disgaea?

[quiet sandal]

I also can't see ANYTHING

IT IS SO DARK

[languid stump]

Dunno what that is so probably not

[vagrant anchor]

I saw a thread on SE discord on 300x SE and people were saying it was crazy lol

[languid stump]

Well it is a bit crazy

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah I guess

[languid stump]

But I do think people generally underestimate how strong the scaling tools the game gives you are

[elder rover]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2R3CG-riF2o/maxresdefault.jpg

[languid stump]

1000x is by no means 1000x harder

[vagrant anchor]

The main annoyance later on is going to be constantly deleting a mine trimming and regenerating

It's going to be pretty horrible

[languid stump]

A bit of that yeah

[vagrant anchor]

I might possibly just add a mod to regenerate the mines or just make them infinite richness

[elder rover]

tacticla rpg with a high af max level and stat cap

[vagrant anchor]

It is probably just grindy to keep regenerating mines that way... not sure though

Thing is core mining won't even do a scratch

[languid stump]

I dunno, I think you can kinda just go to more planets and set up small outpost

Maybe you’re right tho idk

[elder rover]

i feel like once youve exhausted like 100 iron nodes and copper nodes etc you should be able to just place an infinity box lol

some kind research that after you have mined x number of depsoites you just get a chest

or maybe after x number of iron ore

[vagrant anchor]

More patches to replace when they get depleted

And with wabs and high tier modules they will probably get depleted quite fast

Ill be getting vita 3rd instead of beryllium for prod mods but it probably won't be enough

[elder rover]

will you reach a point where you cant set up mining posts faster than you mine them?

[vagrant anchor]

Setting them up is just stamping down a BP and hooking it up to a train, should be quite fast

[elder rover]

the ultimate war of attrition

[languid stump]

I think, you just wanna over mine and under draw. So like, sure you could pull 4 belts out of a patch. But if you pull 1, it lasts 4x longer.

Hopefully long enough to not revisit

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah, I'll do that, but I'll need a lot as well

[vagrant anchor]

No way that's gonna happen

[languid stump]

Yes that does make the initial mining efforts yuuuuge. But, maybe better than dwindling patches.

[vagrant anchor]

Those mines aren't nearly rich enough

[languid stump]

I mean, on primary planets, the primary is usually quite rich

[vagrant anchor]

Definitely will cover every mine on a planet

I'll still want a few belts per mine if I want to get a decent spm from that planet

Even if its like 20mil patches it still depletes pretty fast

[languid stump]

Just depends how fast you mine it :D. But we will see

[vagrant anchor]

Fast as in maybe 50h but still many revisits to regenerate

[languid stump]

Prod mods on miners will probably be good too for you

[vagrant anchor]

I'll see as I go

[elder rover]

imagine a tech that is a miner with a planet wide mining radius, so you dont count your resource income in terms of mines but number of planets

[vagrant anchor]

Yep, I'll be using big miners for the extra prod slots

[elder rover]

suddenly youre playing Stellaris

[vagrant anchor]

Hopefully the prod 7 rush will work out fine

This playthrough will probably last maybe until even end of 2025 though

Would be quite busy with school in 2 weeks

😢

[languid stump]

If you pull 1 blue belt from a 20 mil patch, I would anticipate it to last over 100 hours with your expected prod bonus.

And I be mining patches larger than that pretty routinely on primaries

[vagrant anchor]

Ill need more than one belt per patch probably

[languid stump]

Doooo you tho :p

[vagrant anchor]

The resource demands of even just 900spm science is pretty insane

I'll just see what I can do

[languid stump]

Yea

Are you working on blue science now?

Idk the k2 tech tree very well

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah, working on it

Need to hook up quite a few more stone mines first

And expand power quite a lot

[languid stump]

Nice, nice

[vagrant anchor]

Currently drawing like 650MW after 2 levels of lab speed and at 3.6k of basic red green

[languid stump]

I think you might need like 2 GW or more

I did 1 GW for my 1.8k plan

[vagrant anchor]

I might add another 900mw first see how it goes

[languid stump]

Yea fair enough

[vagrant anchor]

Issue is rn I'm having ups issues

It's pretty crazy

Inserter update is at like 6ms

[languid stump]

I’m just leaning very overkill because I don’t wanna have a brownout / blackout

Dang

That’s not a good sign

This early

[vagrant anchor]

I really should have made by builds a bit more optimal

It's mainly that the builds suck

I'll see what I can do I guess

[languid stump]

Yeah but only blue science! That’s scary yo

[elder rover]

my fear with my run is i'll have to eventually abandon it due to ups issues as well lol

i want atleast 2.7k of every science

but my most expensive tech is 100m so......

[vagrant anchor]

My base resource inputs are already a bit close to megabase

It's quite funny

Using a bunch of long inserters with stack size 1 really hurts ups badly though

Maybe I should have went with the approach of getting train base set up with the essential green techs before moving on to blue..

[mossy saddle]

Which?

[elder rover]

ultimate modular reactor, from a mod

[mossy saddle]

Oh lol was already thinking since my biggest is like a couple mill only

[elder rover]

i had it in a modded setup, forgot i left it in when i did my first 1kx run, found it funny and decided to make it the goal

will probably not even get to it, much less complete it lol

i think what is likely is i will get the last science productions et up, copy it a few times and then feel like im done lol

after that its basically leave the game AFK while I play Battle for Wesnoth

[mossy saddle]

What does it even add xD

Some gears?

[steep spindle]

[steep spindle]

How on x1k?

[wraith pagoda]

so starting with bots ok to?

[steep spindle]

If you want

[wraith pagoda]

cool cool . right gone bots start 200% on ores and bot start mod, pump anywere, milestones and , rate calc mods

[quiet sandal]

I just discovered that a single pipe on one of my power plants was missing

[steep spindle]

I did 600%

[languid stump]

Time to play some science multiplier

I let it afk more so now I have bots unlocked

Time to construct them, it’s like 55 hours now

Substation research is coming in, then it’s solar fields time

Gonna need so much for my plan to use speed2 drills

Outposting is bleh so I figured maybe I should speed it up a little xD

[wraith pagoda]

i have been tempted to use the time mod at the start but thats feels like its not in the spirit of things

[languid stump]

Meh, may as well, not much difference between that and going afk I suppose

[wraith pagoda]

might put it on for an hour just get the basics setup

[languid stump]

Yeah, waiting for underground / splitter can be annoying

I just did a half belt of iron and waited for it

Also letting the mall buffer a bit can be nice

[wraith pagoda]

getting started !

[quiet sandal]

alright, i fixed my coal supply issues

my factory has consumed 1 billion units of steam

[wraith pagoda]

thanks for the advice about long handed inverters!
pain in the bum before belt research

[quiet sandal]

I just built a single line of assemblers to get 450 SPM, and I replaced the belts whenever I needed to route it to my mall

later on I built a second one to get 900 SPM and got logistics 1

[wraith pagoda]

thats neet

[languid stump]

1.8k spm no stack size upgrades!

just stack inserter unlocked ( I had to give in on that one)

oh im dumb I could have halfed the wing stone brick / steel / red chip belts

o well

really very few high tier modules. 192

[languid stump]

nice! thats how I ended up having to do it too, more or less

[marble stream]

You may update your server nickname, if you wish

[languid stump]

breh

[wraith pagoda]

im good most of the other server know me as clevlore

[marble stream]

I mean, add x1000

[languid stump]

no need...

[wraith pagoda]

ahh i see this might be handy for a few https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/sv1763/my_135_science_per_minute_book_the_first_share_of/

[marble stream]

(I'm not playing x1000 so I don't)

[languid stump]

idk why you feel the need to suggest that inside the x1000 thread

honestly wild

[marble stream]

Lulz

[languid stump]

are those eff2 assembler builds? :p

[wraith pagoda]

yes , so you can upgrage and change

with the upgrade planner

[languid stump]

I just dont go above eff1 in assembly mk2

no value imo

[wraith pagoda]

or leave them for minimal power draw

[marble stream]

🤔
I would expect prod builds being massively more common in x1000

[languid stump]

prod modules do be nice

can see im planning the purple science for prod3

it will just have to start a little slow

[marble stream]

Prod2s are way faster to produce, so I'd expect all the factory to be filled with them maybe even earlier

[wraith pagoda]

in normal mode you only need
Total science packs to get the technology to launch a rocket:

6060 Automation packs

5865 Logistic packs

3400 Chemical packs

1600 Production packs

1300 Utility packs

with 1000x thats signifcant less than that other scis

[languid stump]

yep , first science will be done with prod2s

to unlock beacons and prod3s and speed3s

and mk3 assembler

[languid stump]

yep, but im gonna detour another 375 production for mk3 assembler and beacon

I think its worth but idk

should help a ton with making util science I think

processing units.. so many steps

[languid stump]

Prod3s are super cheap compared to the scale of factory needed, though :D.

[long mauve]

Even quality prods will be cheap in 1000x

[languid stump]

Especially on the nice recipes

[long mauve]

If you want to optimize it will be nice to use t2 and then upgrade to t3

[marble stream]

I remember their recursion to take a while (making prods for the prod build itself)
Don't remember how much tho

[languid stump]

Depends how efficient the builds are in a big way tbf

I know how to make very module efficient designs (like that purple one there)

[marble stream]

x1000 at first 2.0 playthrough when lol

[long mauve]

Someone here said they were doing it

[elder rover]

you can do whatever you want, i dont think people are too judgy if youre not pure 100% vanilla :p

im unabashedly using unlimited ammo mod, filthy cheater and proud

[elder rover]

i wonder if we will get a slider for quality chance multiplier

[marble stream]

@steep spindle could you please stream your 2.0x1000 please

[marble stream]

No that's a mod

[steep spindle]

If I have the Internet to do so by then I will be

[elder rover]

i can forsee some mod where the goal is to build a rocket using only t6 parts, and the rate is like 1000th the vanilla chance

so like you need to produce hundreds of millions of rocket parts

and hope you get a few t6s

[steep spindle]

I have quite a few interested in it actually. Hopefully I have the ability to

[languid stump]

GGS do you like my purple design :D.

I was hoping to show it to you

[languid stump]

[long mauve]

That looks really clean

I like how you used those beacon gaps

[steep spindle]

Wow

[languid stump]

So to feed this I need to bring it 6 belts steel, 5 belts iron ore, 6 belts copper ore, 8 belts stone ore, and 2 belts coal, 1 pipe oil. And make processing for the green and red chips, the stone brick, and the plates for the iron rods.

Red belts

Seems manageable except the 6 red belts of steel im kinda skipping over lol

[steep spindle]

I need a brick smelter and stone miner for mine

But I like yours

[languid stump]

Thanks :D.

Felt fancy to make it work with stack size 2 Inserters

But prod3 / speed3 also

[wraith pagoda]

6 red belts of steel thats 30 belts of iron ore

[languid stump]

yeah which is pretty scary at first glance

[wraith pagoda]

yea totally

[languid stump]

but I have a few buffs I can utilize. mining prod1, speed1 module drilling, prodded smelting. the compilation of boosts if I go for prod1 smelting will be: effectively 15 belts iron ore

and I could even go for speed2 drills or plan for beacons and prod2

and then by smelting at the ore patches, the total logistics needed to bring those belts in should be pretty low

so mostly a matter of bringing equipment out to ore mines! which is making me consider trains, consdering their need for purp science anyway

oh and ofc I can bring robots and drop a roboport and let them do the hard work for me!

so in a way, this might be less tedious than blue science was.

[mossy saddle]

Anyone know where print screens go on msi? Can't seem to find them

[languid stump]

got my new steel processing print I think

copy this 10 times and it drains the half belt of input

err 20 times

[mossy saddle]

Only 40 for a full red?

[languid stump]

dis the plan

factory planner is trippin

it counts ore input as ore in ground when you use speed in miners huh

lol

I see now.

k this makes much more sense

just need to build 27 of these

along with 27 sets of 36 iron ore drills

[mossy saddle]

it looks beautiful

[languid stump]

maybe 5 ore patches I need

just for steel

not too crazy!

Oh the power bill is gonna be 1.2GW just for steel smelt with this plan

Welp

Solar go brrr I guess

[mossy saddle]

thats uses 1.2GW?

I'm just going to poison my biters with my pollution

[languid stump]

27 of them with miners will 1.2 GW yeah

Lol ima be impressed if you survive that map

With biters and k2se… wild

I think I shouldn’t build the steel yet except for maybe 1 ore patch

Then build the purple science and other ore inputs and let it work slowly on getting me beacons

Then add steel while that happens

Get it started… then add all the ore slowly but surely.

[mossy saddle]

I mean the worst part is they keep attacking my power

just only that they ignore my full production line

[languid stump]

Think you’ll be kinda fine once you get repair bots?

Or are you gonna have to rush cargo rocket and abandon nauvis?

What evolution btw

[quiet sandal]

I don't really know how you guys are gonna get through K2SE

a lot of people encounter UPS issues in normal SE

[mossy saddle]

I'll have to check what the evo is I don't think it's that high since I only did evo on destroying bases I thought

[languid stump]

yep my ups in my normal SE game is like 50 rn lol

[mossy saddle]

that's why you get a good pc just the mess around on X1000

not sure how to time warp like froggy does though

[mossy saddle]

finished?

[languid stump]

more or less

dss2, practically megabasing

im about to do arcos

[mossy saddle]

many bots?

[languid stump]

decent amount

bugs are the biggest impact I think

damn biters

war.. war never changes ;p

[mossy saddle]

yeah can't wait to be thrown in a bug infested land

[steep spindle]

Yes

The 2.0 hype keeps getting more

[mossy saddle]

xD it's still a long way off silly goose

[steep spindle]

It's like.....

[mossy saddle]

A year

[steep spindle]

Yeah, a year to figure out the infinite science builds 😜

[mossy saddle]

but we don't know how it 100% works yet!

[steep spindle]

You think the recipes are gonna drastically change?

Outside the rocket silo

Obviously the other module comes into play but

[mossy saddle]

is there a mod that simulates it?

[steep spindle]

I wish

[mossy saddle]

how will we make a build then :'à

🥲

[steep spindle]

The other science packs

[mossy saddle]

is it the same as se or do we know the inputs it need

[long mauve]

it is very different from SE. we have a janky mod that simulates quality modules

[mossy saddle]

any recipes that have been shared?

[long mauve]

not sure of any exacts

one big change is no anymore

[mossy saddle]

why?

[long mauve]

#friday-facts message

[mossy saddle]

ooo

okay

[steep spindle]

do you know of any mods that would change the recipe to be like 2.0?

[long mauve]

no

[vagrant anchor]

What are your biter settings?

[mossy saddle]

where can I check?

[vagrant anchor]

Change mod settings mod

But roughly what do you remember

[mossy saddle]

I remember only enabling it for killing biters but not sure and destroying nests that I'm pretty sure

[vagrant anchor]

For biter creep?

You can just change the K2 startup settings to enable peaceful mode which changes the recipe for military science to not need creep

Also be careful if you run trains near biter nests later, trains emit some pollution so if there's a good bit of traffic its gonna attract attacks to your rails and trains

[mossy saddle]

yeah I need biomatter

[mossy saddle]

crap I got max biters size and 600% starting area

[modern citrus]

Hwody

[steep spindle]

is the stone brick ratio still the same as the rest?

[languid stump]

You’ll be perfect at this lol

[long mauve]

bots are so slow

[steep spindle]

this.... holds 9.6k* 4=38.4* 4=153.6+32=185.6k science packs...

damn

[modern citrus]

Just doing a mostly vanilla run, not touching SE with a 39 and a half foot pole

[steep spindle]

welcome to the x1k cult!

🙂

[languid stump]

Oh hell yeah!!

Growing well

[steep spindle]

[languid stump]

Ima hop on and see if I can automate my bots

[steep spindle]

ima try and get stone and stone brick done for

[languid stump]

Nice have fun with that…

checks notes

16 red belts of stone ore lol

[steep spindle]

its the last piece of this puzzle

LOL

[languid stump]

Yo I understand your pain now

Having just begun my purple science journey

Goddamn it’s a lot

[steep spindle]

ye

[long mauve]

bots are being made full speed and its not enough 1000 feels like nothing

[steep spindle]

thats why I went small

[steep spindle]

damn

[languid stump]

How many frame machines?

[steep spindle]

wow I need to clean my trains out

[long mauve]

32 . 69 bots per minute

[languid stump]

Dayum

You’d think that would be enough

[steep spindle]

gez

[languid stump]

4K new bots per hour

Yeah you’ll manage I think lol

[long mauve]

yeah, its so fun watching this roboport and the bots escape

[steep spindle]

I'm over here hoarding 186k of each science pack just to smoothly craft at 75k

[languid stump]

I’m realizing now I need a bunch of solar and accumulator production I think

I want like 5-10 GW solar to finish this I think

[steep spindle]

this wasnt enough

[long mauve]

that print I placed is for 480 solar minute, no way ill be able to feed it at full speed though

[steep spindle]

this bases max power is 2GW right now

[languid stump]

More juice!!!

[long mauve]

I get up to a gw researching just red/green because its built up more than blue

[steep spindle]

the 1.1GW is the science labs turning on

LOL

[mossy saddle]

I got unloaders hehe

[steep spindle]

I have these

just not using them for UPS sake

because this shit was sad

[mossy saddle]

are unloaders that bad?

oh I don't have enough space to do that :l

but I might delete what I've build and fix it

[steep spindle]

when a train connects to that for a split second I hit 56

then it jumps back

[modern citrus]

Unloaders can be bad from what I hear. Miniloaders are more ups friendly. Somehow? IDK just what I’d heard

[steep spindle]

^that loads that at 20s flat

4 input belts per wagon tho lol

[vagrant anchor]

i think youll run into some issues

[mossy saddle]

oh lol I place one unloader instead of 5-6

[vagrant anchor]

could have just turned on peaceful mode

[modern citrus]

Don’t even have trains researched in my game yet .. still getting green science researched

[vagrant anchor]

for the k2 settings

[mossy saddle]

never!

[steep spindle]

i hit trains at 24hrs

[vagrant anchor]

loaders are good for ups if you need to get it on a belt

[vagrant anchor]

if its container to container it sucks

but if its a not super big container and you need to get a belt its better than inserters

[vagrant anchor]

good luck i guess

not sure if you can even clear out those nests yet

[steep spindle]

+faq mining | please stone be the same

[quasi dove]

Mining

[steep spindle]

THANK GOD

gotta now find a way to cram 4 and 6 in here

[mossy saddle]

I got nades

and ammo

[steep spindle]

can the devs please make this tech not cost

I want my boom grenades 😢

[vagrant anchor]

what ur evo

[vagrant anchor]

they are pretty damn powerful tbf

[mossy saddle]

is there a stat I can see it somewhere?

[steep spindle]

by the time you hit them it can be to late

[modern citrus]

Mouse over a nest

[vagrant anchor]

/evolution command

or that, yeah

[vagrant anchor]

150 yellow science isnt much

[steep spindle]

this'll do

[mossy saddle]

sure I will

when I am playin

[quiet sandal]

@steep spindle with this just the fast inserters are enough to fill a red belt

did yours have two output belts on the train

[steep spindle]

what stack size?

[quiet sandal]

2

[steep spindle]

mine looked like that^

[quiet sandal]

ah, ok

[steep spindle]

I think I built them from the get go

[vagrant anchor]

finally stabalised

[steep spindle]

cut the whole damn intersection off LOL

[vagrant anchor]

what have you done

[steep spindle]

um

[vagrant anchor]

what is that

[steep spindle]

I was drunk at the time of this block

[vagrant anchor]

drunk factorio

[steep spindle]

dont fully remem why I did that

[vagrant anchor]

that uranium patch is huge

[steep spindle]

this one?

dw they get better

[vagrant anchor]

infinite power

[quiet sandal]

having it combine into one belt effectively means that there's 4 fast inserters per lane, so with a stack size of 2 they can output 19.2 items per second

that's why it filled the red belt

[steep spindle]

it was outputting x2 red belts

[quiet sandal]

if you have it output two red belts then I'll need stack inserters

I see now

so, I guess I could just remove three stations from this

[steep spindle]

🤔

this doesn't feel like it accomplishes the same thing as them squished other than power poles are easier to see

maybe at higher mining prod

[modern citrus]

Second 450 SPM red science maker is up and running, should get green science researched sooner now!

[steep spindle]

thats the spirit

what convinced you to try this?

[mossy saddle]

I just hated myself

[steep spindle]

they all broke again

[mossy saddle]

why? xD

[steep spindle]

the line of code I yeeted fixed the storage bug

but cause that to occasionally happen

[modern citrus]

Honestly? The thought that techs got researched so fast in regular factorio that I didn’t have time to really enjoy each one. Taking it to teh 1k extreme makes each one matter. When you get it, order, etc.

[mossy saddle]

yeah it matters alot

else you're stuck

[steep spindle]

whats hilarious is that is how a lot of people thought I was nuts, but then started trying it out and understood that logic

I appreciate the peacefulness of being able to build and think, while also building things that matter

and now keeping @mossy saddle happy for power poles

LOL

[mossy saddle]

t

you know you want it!

[mossy saddle]

I was already doing x100 cus of that one youtuber but then when I saw you could go higher I was happy

[steep spindle]

a lot of people in the discord kinda just followed me on this crazy train of x1k

its so enjoyable!

[steep spindle]

I originally tried to type in 50k tho

[mossy saddle]

xD 50K even longer damn xd

[modern citrus]

I think the game would break if you could do 1m

[steep spindle]

trying to find the mod people said could make that a reality

just to see how long tech would take to truely get

LOL

[long mauve]

to my knowledge the mod doesnt exist but its easy to make

[modern citrus]

Ok, good, I have two setups each producing a full half belt of red science, and are both ready to produce a full half belt of green science once I get that researched in 37%

Not to mention the 40ish red science makers + labs I used to get the undergrounds and splitters done lol

[steep spindle]

do you know of a possible way to make that a problem I'd want to have?

[modern citrus]

Wasn’t there a TCM mod? How high could that go?

[mossy saddle]

you don't need mods I got a command for it xD

[long mauve]

id be terrible at explaining, id ask in #mod-dev-discussion on how to do it

TCM?

[steep spindle]

/c game.difficulty_settings.technology_price_multiplier = 2024 ? didn't work

[modern citrus]

Tech Cost Multiplier

I hope that research speed lets a 400 lab array consume all the science I send it, as it does now :P… silly 5 second timer on green science means very few of my labs are seeing any packs

[mossy saddle]

oh really a dev said it to me

[mossy saddle]

how much are you making?

[modern citrus]

Each such array is going to be getting a full half belt of each science eventually. Atm its just red as thats all I’ve got

[steep spindle]

this base is x1k right now

[mossy saddle]

yellow red or blue

hmmm then I don't know I'm sorry ggs

[modern citrus]

Wanna think about that a moment? I’m still researching green science. red belts are a reg+green tech 🙂

[steep spindle]

it works at less than 1k

[mossy saddle]

that sucks

[mossy saddle]

I didn't know you weren't that far yet

[long mauve]

then a mod is your friend, ask in #mod-dev-discussion

[steep spindle]

gotta take a trip

[steep spindle]

gonna go check em out

ty

[modern citrus]

Must not have been clear then, I’m still researching green science. It costs 75k red science, but each flask only takes 5 seconds to evaporate in lab

[mossy saddle]

only 5 damn

[steep spindle]

what science?

[modern citrus]

Logistic Science Pack

I’m literally researching green science now, so I cna research green techs

[steep spindle]

this one?

[modern citrus]

79% done now, yup

[steep spindle]

this is why I got rid of them the first time

they just randomly ass stop working

[modern citrus]

Companion drones? Yea, they like to take their cigarette breaks

[steep spindle]

LUL

its time to just YEET them

230hrs with them

[vagrant anchor]

I find it helpful to build stuff in small amounts (since they don't fly to the ghosts being scanned, but instead their own algorithm)

They sometimes take a break, but you can just toggle it

Toggle companion construction off and back on makes it scan again I think

[steep spindle]

ima just go get some personal bots 🙂

[vagrant anchor]

Personal bots are slowwww

[modern citrus]

Worker robot speed research is a (slow) thing… I wonder if the companion drones would go faster with nuclear fuel in em?

[steep spindle]

might be slow, but they dont take a stupid break lol

[steep spindle]

dear God

I can test that actually...

[modern citrus]

I doubt they do

But its funny to think about giving a squadron of ten companion drones nuclear fuel and then going and taking them to some large nests

[vagrant anchor]

They are just spidertrons with invisible legs I'm pretty sure

[steep spindle]

it picked one up like it owned the place

LOL

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah it picks up any fuel in your inv that it can accept

It will probably boost it as well since it is technically a vehicle

Though it's kinda useless

[steep spindle]

we about to find out

[vagrant anchor]

The best thing to do is to replace every single thing in the grid

Fill it fully with roboports

[steep spindle]

um

whoops

my bots are like who the hell are you m8

granted this world also has this guy...

[modern citrus]

Does not look like it travels any faster than it would burning wood

[steep spindle]

those are all regular bots

[modern citrus]

I saw the companion drone in that

[steep spindle]

oh

[modern citrus]

Its the thing that shoots the lasers to place stuff

yay green flasks researched

[steep spindle]

yeah, seems about the same speed

the simple RPG is gonna need some science behind it

😢

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah ofc if you have that, but it is really quite slow early on, and power is also a huge issue

[vagrant anchor]

Those aren't just normal rockets they are biter seeking rockets

They require quite a good bit of tech

[steep spindle]

the rest of this will be built tomorrow

[quiet sandal]

80 hours into this save, probably still 20 hours out from actually getting chem science set up

once I have chem science set up, and my red/green science + labs put onto trains, I need to immediately start building for production science

I'm falling way behind

[steep spindle]

the steel cost is so damn daunting

[quiet sandal]

and because I overbuilt the train system for my iron smeltery without realizing it, this is now pretty space inefficient

for my current tech

but I am NOT tearing out this entire thing just to move it closer to the main rail line

[mossy saddle]

xd just keep it then

[quiet sandal]

first time I've ever put plates onto a train before

I've only ever used trains to move raw resources from one place to another

[mossy saddle]

you're doing great

[steep spindle]

I'd just keep that, it looks good

[elder rover]

i wonder how much 1 GW of power cost in real life

[quiet sandal]

for my state in the US, it'd be around 190,000 dollars

[elder rover]

do typical power plants even produce that much?

[quiet sandal]

mmmmmmm

Nuclear? yes

[elder rover]

in my mind a gw is like, datacenter levels of power

hadron collider levels

[quiet sandal]

I live in New Jersey

[elder rover]

ps5

etc

[long mauve]

190,000 per what?

[elder rover]

gigawatt hour i guess

[quiet sandal]

our power production is like, 49% Natural Gas and 49% Nuclear

that small 2% rough amount is renewables like wind and solar

power is pretty cheap here

[elder rover]

im in memphis, our power plant jsut burns piles of coal lol

[quiet sandal]

mmmmmm

that clean coal

[mossy saddle]

nice and clean belts

it's pretty

[elder rover]

fashiontorio is the end game

[mossy saddle]

I'd love to see your power lines!

[vagrant anchor]

why is there so little stone compared to other resources

im struggling so hard to get enough stone for just 3.6k blue

[long mauve]

I think in SE atleast you need more than vanilla

[vagrant anchor]

as in the patches are far less

i think alien biome changes something

my base and most my ore patches are in the middle of a desert

theres like a bunch of other ores but not much stone at all

[long mauve]

it probably does

I assume ore generation is atleast partially dependent on what biome you are in

this research is really tempting..

[vagrant anchor]

its only 50k

nice research to help a bit

[wraith pagoda]

Janky Qualtiy mod does ive got prints ready?

[vagrant anchor]

Very hacky implementation it seems, but probably can't do much better without a lot of scripting

[mossy saddle]

Mhm sounds interesting to try out for now

[wraith pagoda]

yes however does simulate it pretty well , i got prints ready to get producing rare stuff in early game was the loops where a little harder than i thought they where when your wanting to do a lot of input.

this was my green circuit improver

[mossy saddle]

does it keep getting recycled over and over again?

[wraith pagoda]

yes until it outputs rare qualty green circuit

i have this for green circuits, red circuits from here ill make rare blue circuits with prod modules from them rare ill make rare level 2 qual modules and improve all this for faster out put,
i also have desings like this for brick steel iron and few other ods and ends so i end up having a rare mall ,
i will also take the rare plasctic from the red to make rare LDS to get the rare armour , as we are notgoing to have accsess to epic until after plannet 2

and you wont have access to legendary until last planet my plan is to set a bunch of these up before going to the first planet ,

[vagrant anchor]

it might be worth it to rush the last planet and just climb the quality quickly perhaps

though i guess building up a good amount of quality modules will help

[marble stream]

I'm a bit confused
Why prods
This is half-belt
Is this planned for beacons

[mossy saddle]

damn you've been very busy since the last time on awf xD

[wraith pagoda]

ahh taking a break from AWF , playing with that mod to much mp can take it out of you

[mossy saddle]

yeah me too that's why I'm doing X1000

[vagrant anchor]

there we go

this doesnt feel normal

why is it so high

ive already switched to only fast/long inserters

[languid stump]

Prods make free resources. Half belt allows less entities built for an output rate. No beacons

[mossy saddle]

[vagrant anchor]

putins chest help me my ups is dying

[languid stump]

Terrifying

[vagrant anchor]

theres no way inserter update should be that high

yes theres like 7k active inserters but it shouldnt

[languid stump]

Did you get stack size upgrade yet?

[vagrant anchor]

rushing it rn

even cancelled accum research for it

[mossy saddle]

what's the command for biter evolution?

to check

[languid stump]

And then you’re probably gonna want to use direct insertion styles now

/evolution

[vagrant anchor]

i even have the mod that stops inserter chasing items

ill try removing that

[mossy saddle]

ah still 0% since I didn't slaughter nests yet :p

[vagrant anchor]

yeah but it shouldnt be THIS high

my cpu isnt even that bad

[languid stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1188693488464834623/1188910973344563370/image.png?ex=65a57920&is=65930420&hm=7052bff0f373e908372d301eaae7eb36d3ca7d509a6b8ce7bff1b0d92dc0e56c&

If you can get electric furnaces it makes this style easier

But I do fear for your capacity to finish this because this is a very early ups hit

I think you’re gonna need to pretty much straight rush beacons right after some inserter research and reconfiguration into direct insertion

[vagrant anchor]

i havent used the dupebox mod yet, and theres barely any DI

[mossy saddle]

howw much is your ups froggy?

[vagrant anchor]

its like 55 if i zoom all the way in somewhere empty

the new base will be far more ups efficient than this base

[mossy saddle]

xD wait really?

that's like big and you're not in space! that's dangerous you silly goose

[vagrant anchor]

honestly kinda make sense since the inputs to this base are already vanilla megabase scale

ill just abuse dupebox for the new base

its incredibly efficient

[mossy saddle]

how do I put the UPS thingy on my screen?

[vagrant anchor]

debug settings show fps

guess ill just afk for a while to get that inserter capacity 2 before i start building stuff for mall

i need so much solar and accum

[mossy saddle]

I still got a steady 60

hope you'lll be able tto fix it!

[vagrant anchor]

i think its just i scaled too much without bothering with ups

didnt think it was gonna happen this early

the base is pretty huge though so makes a bit of sense i guess

plus not using any trains

transport lines is at like 2.3ms lmao

[mossy saddle]

I'd love to show you mine but my screenrecordings go to a place I can't find xd

[wraith pagoda]

are you running alot of chests? i believe that inverters on chests are counted towards that and the scanning of chests its a high ups costs

[vagrant anchor]

no, im not using any buffers

[vagrant anchor]

no chests whatsoever other than mall

tidy power poles

[mossy saddle]

that's all I have for now

[vagrant anchor]

really nice

[wraith pagoda]

AII wherehouses ?

[mossy saddle]

I mean I forced ggs into tidy powerpoles I got to enforce it myself xd

[vagrant anchor]

fair

you cant see anything if i enabled it lol

blue tech is really freaking expensive

[mossy saddle]

I haven't gotten to blue tech yet

[vagrant anchor]

dont have modules yet

havent researched it

[mossy saddle]

xD same I'm going for satelites and stack inserters

[languid stump]

Those would help your ups

Free stuff is stuff inserters and belts don’t have to move

And miners don’t have to make

[mossy saddle]

which means happy factory!

[modern citrus]

Starting a green tech (electric energy distribution 1) shows me that my iron production supports 450 SPM but not 900 SPM … ugh. Gotta find more iron patches to belt in

[vagrant anchor]

ill probably just speedmod 1 this entire base when i get there

[mossy saddle]

yeah the times are annoying x

xD

[vagrant anchor]

and upgrading to asm2s

its probably a good time for me to do that rn

wont help much with inserter update time but itll help a bit by reducing like 0.2ms or smth ig

[mossy saddle]

you didn't do it yet?

[vagrant anchor]

power issues

[mossy saddle]

you can have my power if you take the biters

[vagrant anchor]

but now its not that bad so ill probably add another 900MW and just upgrade everything

not gonna help much though, asm update time is like 0.6ms

im thinking of just letting this base run overnight and come back to bots (and a better running base)

this whole old base is going to have to go soon though

[vagrant anchor]

it might actually be bad due to the amount of extra power i need now that i think about it...

good thing is that this base probably wont be running for too long after my new base is up since most techs will likely be done

[mossy saddle]

won't the bots give you lower ups for some time?

[vagrant anchor]

im also a bit worried about running out of space on nauvis before i get beacons lol

[vagrant anchor]

if i dont build too fast it shouldnt be too bad

current priority is to get a working mall

ill just use wagons

[mossy saddle]

my mall is kinda working xD

does that count?

[vagrant anchor]

working as in able to take a bunch of different inputs that k2 throws at you

ill probably just train base and use the train base to build a mall to upgrade the train base

[mossy saddle]

my simpleton brain can't handle the train mall xd

[steep spindle]

I may just go ahead and build one after the is up today

[mossy saddle]

I'd love to see

[steep spindle]

When I get it built later sure

[steep spindle]

Contemplating an outpost and builder style train with the mall

Obviously not til tonight but

[languid stump]

Me too

[steep spindle]

That would benefit a little too well with bots I think

Drive it to a location, have it empty to a provider chest and drive back

That would actually make it so you don't have to have a big ass bot base too

🤔

[long mauve]

im thinking that too but with sushi trains

the issue im now thinking of is how big do I want sections before I divide it up?

[languid stump]

Or sushi construction belt,
Skip the trains

[long mauve]

how would you do multiple dropoffs with 1 belt

actually thats a dumb question, you just have a constant supply of items on the belt

the problem there is long distance, you have raillines already

atleast I do you dont on this game

[languid stump]

Yeah idk I’m trying to figure out how I wanna approach this mass scaling to finish the game

[steep spindle]

Right? Got me wondering for and that's why I'm building the mall now

[wraith pagoda]

yeap ill be going builder train when i get there

[languid stump]

got myself a reasonable red chip design I think

given my stack size 2 limitations lol

just gotta paste that bad boy... 9 times :D.

and I have my 2.5 red belt red chip for purple science

however its gonna run at like 20% speed before I get the beacons and mk3 assemblers. which means 4 hours to beacons

and maybe 2-3 hours for mk3 assembler. not that bad tbh

can let it buffer a bit and do more other science

this is what 1,8k spm purple needs.

and my smelting lines

gonna re use the refinery from blue science, same speed works (lol prod modules)

I think its time to leave editor mode xD

I think I can happily use a lot of this for the yellow science too

Get this damn thing finished already

[wraith pagoda]

now that's something i was not expecting

ive only just got green unlocked and doing red belt research

[languid stump]

it takes a ton of labs yep

[wraith pagoda]

i got a print for a whole red belt of red circuits if you need just add ore and plastic

[languid stump]

ill take a look sure

my issue was making something that works with stack size 2 inserters lol

tryna speed through this and those stack size upgrades are a lot of science kinda

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

Blueprint 1

[wraith pagoda]

5 lanes of copper ore 2 lanes of iron ore , coal up the left so you can tile it then plastic at the front

no modules 1 red lane of red circuits

i normally build 6 of them 4 for buss 2 fore blue circuits

[languid stump]

Yellow belts huh?

Interesting with all the red everywhere else

Do you have an early robot mod btw clev?

[wraith pagoda]

red belts on the outside yellow on the inside only used red where needed

yes i do

[languid stump]

Oh sorry I was looking at the left yellow ones

[wraith pagoda]

thats for coal just to feed the smelters

[languid stump]

Oh ok you’re all good then with that style of build

I had to make my first one for ez hand building haha

I would however suggest on site plastic and prod module1 usage

[wraith pagoda]

i made to make modules go straight to level 3 usaly

[languid stump]

well, did you know that lower tier modules have better payoff times?

so you can use them early and benefit well

[wraith pagoda]

and as it train fed and ratiod

[languid stump]

also in this x1000 youre talking about tons of resource saving :D.

[wraith pagoda]

yes bit normal game speed takes to long

awf we have tier 3 modules by sunday resets on friday

if you can get two of these going more than enugh red for everyone

[languid stump]

heres how I did mine

[wraith pagoda]

yea fair dues drag and place

i got prints for all the circuits like that so i normally build loads of them under the buss so your not taking from the buss to make circuits

[languid stump]

makes sense yea

[wraith pagoda]

thats a neet build wihtout bots !!

[languid stump]

im just doing dedicated builds for each science for this x1000 though

With prod1 modules, instead of 8 wire: 8 green chip: 6 plastic feeding 48 red chip machines, I have 51

Could do 52 but it wouldn’t work all the time iirc

And then 1.5 red belt red chip should cost me 7.5 belts of copper but I get to just make 6 smelting lines

Uses almost 6 now

Pretty nice, idk

And all the prod bonus lets me input just 1 pipe of oil, too

And less than 2 belts coal for everything (smelting included)

[wraith pagoda]

thats neet with mine thats where i would use the prod modules on the oil once you got trains setup ore not really a problem

[languid stump]

Mhm, fair enough

Then again I tend to like prod bonus even more with trains since the fractional belt savings are better distributed xD

[wraith pagoda]

just completed a 1440 red green outpost

[languid stump]

Pretty dank

Nice

I like your ore frequency

I think 17% that I did was too low for this

[wraith pagoda]

as its 12 lanes of iron 8 go to gear wheels i have to admit i went 200% on all

so doulbe rich doulbe size double qunatity

[languid stump]

Noice, I did do 600% 600% size / richness for iron and copper

But 17% frequency leaves em fairly far apart for my lazy not going for trains ass

Roboports to the rescue xd

[wraith pagoda]

i dont like building on ore so i thoguth this way the ones closes would be gone fairly earily and get trains down

omg 1200 labs

[steep spindle]

The base I have has 1680 labs

But they are all prod module one

[languid stump]

damn im clearly lacking on lab count

I need to get my bots to build more as soon as i get them finished

making a refinery for my mall rn

[wraith pagoda]

its amazing how many labs get used on different researches

doing engines and 15s and not 30s and half the labs just stop

[steep spindle]

I mean.... You've seen Galaga! Haha

[languid stump]

mall refinery ready to roll

so close to robot friends

[steep spindle]

have you seen galaga?

gotta go to dinner but I'll photo this real quick

[languid stump]

Wild

[steep spindle]

its fully functional up to 7 science labs before beacons too

the 30s sciences said 5k/m

Sent that photo and my computer hard rebooted 😦

[mossy saddle]

Hopefully no dmg ggs

[steep spindle]

I hope not either

Not rebooting it till later lol

If there is... It's no worries

[mossy saddle]

👀 don't destroy!

[steep spindle]

HOOORAY!

[tepid axle]

Quality of Life research

Adds bonuses and optionally research for bigger bags (more inventory space), movement/walking/running speed, character hand crafting speed, long reach (optional far resource reach), and player mining speed.
Use settings to choose which ones you want, either through research or by just choosing a value yourself.

Owner

Aidiakapi

Downloads

141980

[languid stump]

Beacons starting??

Nice GGS!

Im hoping to make my first bots tonight

And hopefully get roboports, substations, solar panels, and accumulators started

Coal patches dwindling

[steep spindle]

Thanks

[steep spindle]

Uh oh

Inventory slots are wild

[languid stump]

Must be nice

I think the coal will be ok though

I just gotta not keep afking for a while xD

Put up 55 game hours now

[steep spindle]

Not with the science requirement

[languid stump]

Tru lol

That’s why I don’t have it

So how long until your beacons???

And then what

Do you have power for that?

I don’t remember you doin solar or nuclear

[steep spindle]

Solar, sitting at 2GW

[steep spindle]

Hmmm ..

[languid stump]

Ohh

Ok I didn’t realize you made that much solar

[languid stump]

Dank

[steep spindle]

I have to figure out 6 lanes of now

[quiet sandal]

12 lanes of

[steep spindle]

might be time to finally crank this up

[languid stump]

ohhh yes.

things are coming along

I may have to use more than 8 copper miners now lol.

for the mall

[vagrant anchor]

Oooh nice

Builder train is pretty interesting idea

I'll probably make every single build have a lot of space available and just have a builder train for every single build

[languid stump]

Not a bad plan

I’m just trying to get the solar fields started my red / green up to 1.8k

Then I’ll think about expansion

[languid stump]

Another option is construction sushi belt

I’m thinking about using one of these

I could just output my mall ingredients to a sushi belt and carry it over yonder to the construction sites

Nice and customizable

[vagrant anchor]

I don't want to have to run a belt through my beautiful rails lmao

My plan rn is to make a slow mall using my current mall inputs with wagons and build a train base to supply that mall and make a bunch of solar

Since I have some excess power laying around

[languid stump]

Nice , good plan

I’m about to startup the solar fields as well

Just need to improve mall resource production because it’s pitiful

And solar is pricey

But I have unlocked accumulators / solar / substations so I’m good to go

Im not really sure how much ore I should be feeding to mall production

[vagrant anchor]

Depends on how fast you are building

But 2 yellow belts of copper and a few yellow belts of iron and some steel should be good

Won't really need much more than 2 yellow belts of copper

[languid stump]

Before bots I had 0.5 yellow belt copper

But now with roboports, large power poles, substations, bots themself , solar panels, accumulators… I think I need more copper

Ima go to like 4 red belt copper I think

Oh and making module 2s / beacons / assembly3 soon

Yesss all the copper now

And so many red belts as well

[vagrant anchor]

Might want to make module 2s seperately from mall

[languid stump]

Maybe, maybe

I think it will be fine though

[vagrant anchor]

I'll probably make my solar and accums in their own production facility

Since I have the advanced solar hr mod to save some ram with solar fields

[languid stump]

SE literally gives better panels lol

But whatever

[vagrant anchor]

Way too far down

I need energy 1 for flat solar 1

[languid stump]

Nah

[vagrant anchor]

And energy 2 and material 1 for flat solar 2

It's something that K2 changes

[languid stump]

Flat solar 1 is earlier?

Oh

Sad

[vagrant anchor]

And the advanced panels from K2 aren't that great, only 2.5x of a regular panel

The solar fields will still end up being way too massive

It's a bit cheaty but I don't have much memory to work with so yeah

[languid stump]

Yeah, fair enough

I was thinking base SE where the flat solars are basic space science

Or maybe util(?)

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah not here unfortunately

Even util would be too far

Since you definitely want prod first for beacons

[steep spindle]

I have figured out why not to use loaders....

watch this UPS drop

[modern citrus]

From what I hear, “vanilla” loaders are a UPS hit. But the miniloaders mod loaders are nowhere near as bad. That’s what I’m told anyway

[steep spindle]

that is a mod loader...

[candid shadow]

Well, not all of the mod loaders are like miniloaders

[modern citrus]

I don;t know the differences between the “vanilla” loaders, miniloaders modded loaders, or other mods’ modded loaders. All I’ve ever used have been miniloaders

[steep spindle]

O.o do you have a mod that would help that problem?

[modern citrus]

miniloaders IS the name of the mod 🙂

[candid shadow]

Literally miniloaders are not actually loaders lol

They’re a pile of inserters in a trench coat

[languid stump]

700 bots but doing so little, lol

[steep spindle]

?

[languid stump]

slooow.

[vagrant anchor]

This is wrong

Vanilla loaders are far better

[steep spindle]

thats kinda funny ngl

[vagrant anchor]

Loaders are even better than inserters for putting onto a belt if the inventory size is like <200 someone has tested

[candid shadow]

Depends on the use case and which exact mod really

One of them does a dumb thing and lets you use a vanilla loader directly onto trains… by scripting it

[vagrant anchor]

If its not the aai type that needs lubricant it should be better

[vagrant anchor]

Don't vanilla loaders already work on trains?

[steep spindle]

the amount of shit this guy needs

[vagrant anchor]

Don't use miniloaders unless you really want a loader from a large container

In which case clocked inserters will work better

[steep spindle]

this

[vagrant anchor]

Don't use loaders for DI

[steep spindle]

see you say that

[vagrant anchor]

Loaders only for belt usecases

[steep spindle]

in testing this loads my trains almost 10s faster

[vagrant anchor]

You trade speed for ups

[steep spindle]

and Max said Miniloaders shouldn't do that

or at least have less of an impact

20k science packs in less than 2m is hilarious

[languid stump]

I’m prepping to get my first solar fields built

[vagrant anchor]

Not sure how exactly miniloaders works, I think it has 4 very fast stack inserters in a box with a belt

If you want fast DI it's better to use faster stack inserters

[steep spindle]

at higher stack speeds maybe

[modern citrus]

If miniloaders is just stack inserters under the hood … wouldn’t 3 express miniloaders (each with a matching pair, for six total) be a faster means of moving stuff from box to box? I mean, if it is just stack inserters under the hood, it would get the benefit of stack size research. And it is more than one in the one tile …

Machine to machine, I mean, not just chest to chest (at 1 tile, you could only use 2 express miniloaders OR one stack inserter for your comparison)

[vagrant anchor]

Faster, yes, but not more efficient, since I'm pretty sure it puts on belt then takes from belt which is quite bad

DI is approx 4 times better than inserter - belt - inserter iirc

[quiet sandal]

why are loaders so UPS intensive?

[vagrant anchor]

They arent

Compared to inserters putting on belt (which is quite expensive) loaders are better for lower inventory sizes

But if you are using 2 loaders to go from inserter to inserter like that gg was doing it is quite bad

[vagrant anchor]

Also this ups drop is normal when you are holding a huge blueprint while zoomed in, since it is expensive to render so many ghosts

[steep spindle]

you can use Ultimate belts AND Advanced belts in the same save

[vagrant anchor]

Your gpu can't keep up so your cpu is taking over some of the rendering load and thus your ups drops

[steep spindle]

makes sence

[mossy saddle]

Your ups having a breakdown

[steep spindle]

just with that liek couple thousand entity bp

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah it's best to place though in map view

When you hold a BP in your hand it probably renders the entire thing

And opacity is expensive to render

[mossy saddle]

Did you like my powerpoles ggs!

[steep spindle]

🙂

[vagrant anchor]

wires are so messy lmao

it should work though

hopefully

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train mall?

train bus

oops

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what is that

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wagon mall

mainly because of how expensive this damn thing is

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yeah I don't think I'm gonna put loads of those

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the tech not the actual thing lol

thats like 2.5h worth of research

better off researching something else that is actually useful

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like beacons!

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aaaa wires being connected is screwing shit up

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Whats happenin

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Wire isolation issues

No problems though can just use some additional combinators to isolate it

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don't you have issues with water too?

I've made a specific landfill factory justs to cover them up

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I turned water off and use stone water well

There's an addon that makes it not placable on planets without water

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oh that's understandable

what's the button to copy train schedules

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Shift right click shift left click same as everything else

Recommend you use train groups mod though

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thank you

can you send link