High Science Multiplier

[long mauve]

I havent worried about that with trains and no onsite smelting, its good now but early it was annoying

[languid stump]

Ah, I haven’t researched trains

So it’s less belts for me to hand place

Not so bad with red belts anymore ig

[long mauve]

without trains you could probably do it faster. I have a lot more infrastructure than you. what spm are you at?

[languid stump]

I’m at about 1.2k rn

Gonna go for 1.8k with blue science stuff

I can upgrade my red and green when I get bots

[long mauve]

ah I was triple that at 3600 for just green/red. sped up the research for trains

I think thats a good plan, 1800 blue has felt fast enough

[languid stump]

Mm yea I couldn’t bring myself to hand build alllll that so I just afkd a little xD

I may increase after robots

[long mauve]

yeah I gotta remember you dont have companion drones, those are a life saver

[languid stump]

I also had pretty low ore frequency so I was doing nothing but walking slowly

So I kinda afkd for car

Much more fun now

And productive

[long mauve]

car is a lifesaver for exploration

[languid stump]

Definitely

I kinda have to decide if I wanna do sushi rails or 1 huge bot grid

Part of me is considering just bot grid and no trains and rush victory xD

Pump out soooo many bots to counter them being slow af

[long mauve]

hmm, If I do sushi rails id go into editor for 300 hours and make a new version xD

[languid stump]

lol right

That’s what I’m worried about

I may just try lazy belt mode

Huge swarms of slow bots seems amusing

You only need 1300 yellow science and ~2000 purple science

By my estimates

Errr

• 1000

[long mauve]

yeah it does I think ill go for 1 big bot grid

ah to win the game?

[languid stump]

1300000 and 2000000

Mhm

Which is not that much in the scheme of things yeah

So you can get away with maybe not that much of those

[long mauve]

yeah, I think you can scale them easily with bots though. so if you are waiting, scale up

[languid stump]

Yea for sure

Still gonna take a lot of resources

But I’m thinking … maybe I don’t rebuild red / green / blue at all

Just push on

Try to get there before the ore patches deplete xD

[long mauve]

yeah I wouldnt rebuild unless you absolutely need to

A problem you might face depending on your richness is patches depleting

[languid stump]

Mhm

I did 600% richness

[long mauve]

ah you will be set then, red green can stay forever

[languid stump]

Yeah I think so

[long mauve]

Ive used rate calc and some of my patches if constantly depleting will last for 50~ hours

[languid stump]

Hmm

A bit close

I’m working on my new red circuit plant for blue science

[long mauve]

thats acceptable for me with ore -> train

[languid stump]

Ah yeah

That helps

[long mauve]

how many reds?

[languid stump]

1.5 red belt for now

[long mauve]

same as me 🥷

[languid stump]

Gonna make modules first, then blue science soon

[long mauve]

if theyre all put into blue thats 1800 blue so you could scale up a bit more

[languid stump]

I’m ok with it slowing down the science slightly to make prod1s for a bit

Won’t be long before that’s done I think

I’m just trying to hit the bare minimum that can get me bots really :p

[long mauve]

yeah you can siphon a bit off the top itll be fine

[languid stump]

After bots idk what ima do

Probably expand my malls production of intermediate and plate

[long mauve]

📈 scale to infinity and beyond!

[languid stump]

And then spam that roboport grid far and wide

[long mauve]

thats another nice thing about being train-centric, I can just plop a station and it is very easy to expand the mall

[languid stump]

Makes sense

I have a dedicated mall with its own smelting and stuff

And intermediates

[long mauve]

mine had its own smelting till the starter patches ran out

[languid stump]

Ah

[long mauve]

soon im gonna import chips as thats gonna be a bottleneck for modules

[languid stump]

Yeah I’m not sure what’s gonna happen when that runs out

[long mauve]

your gonna have to draw belts across the map haha

[languid stump]

Nah, grid align and snapping

But kinda yeah

[long mauve]

ill get prod2/3 after I get bots, thatll skyrocket the cost

[languid stump]

Same

Then purple science I think

Or solar

[long mauve]

yeah, I just looked purple is required for prod3. so prod2 -> purple -> t3 assemblers, -> blue belts, -> t3 prod

solar will be nice I think because of the cost of nuclear research

[languid stump]

Beacons

[long mauve]

ah... oh no

[languid stump]

I’ll probably after robots plan for prod2 / speed2 beaconed furnaces

[steep spindle]

I hope to have Prod science down and at least crafting tonight

[long mauve]

solar first?

[steep spindle]

A few new people have joined our thread

[long mauve]

welcome to the cult

[steep spindle]

Going to do a DI route of rails and prod mods into the science and have furnaces created and brought i think

[long mauve]

sounds like a good plan, what are you researching first?

beacons probably

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[long mauve]

you have solar power so you are good, but no bots

[languid stump]

Probably yeah

[steep spindle]

I have to lay a lot more solar down lol

[languid stump]

Unless I feel like solid fuel is easier

[long mauve]

can I have some of your dollars lol

[long mauve]

I calculated it and I would get barely any power out of a oil field, it may have been wrong though

oh it was before advanced oil but still not great

[languid stump]

Oh yeah before advanced is a lot less

100 crude giving… what 2.5 solid fuel?

Where later it’s like 7? 8?

[long mauve]

that sounds about right yeahh

[languid stump]

I’d be using advanced I think

I’m already planning blue science for advanced

[long mauve]

I did plan blue for advanced but not that one patch I looked at lol

I also maybe didnt use speed mods on the pumpjacks and divided by 5 for the depletion.. so basically worst case

[languid stump]

That’ll do it

[steep spindle]

I didn't plan my power sadly

So I'm playing power grid chicken

[long mauve]

same haha

im now gonna grab that oil patch for power though, itll be nice

[quiet sandal]

59 hours into my factory

[steep spindle]

O.o

[quiet sandal]

my train network is now operational, so I need to keep expanding to more patches and extract + refine more resources

I have also just unlocked cliff explosives

oops

[steep spindle]

When I arrive home I'm test worlding a DI build

Because that is the next step to the base

I'm on the fence on a 3,600 build right now

[quiet sandal]

I think 3,600 is the only way forward for me

around Utility Science I might even upgrade past that

but the copper requirements scare me

3,600 yellow science a minute requires 179,400 copper plates per minute

[long mauve]

is that with or without

[languid stump]

Yeah but it only needs to run for 6 hours

I could do 1.8k and run it for 12 🤷‍♂️

[quiet sandal]

without

[languid stump]

Bruh

life

[long mauve]

lmao

I knew something was off haha

i think at yellow ill be prod2 everywhere

[quiet sandal]

with a mere 20,000 prod 3 modules it can be reduced to around 64,000 plates per minute

[long mauve]

is that now speed beaconed?

that also seems a bit absurd

[quiet sandal]

nawr, haven't put that in yet either

[long mauve]

put 8 beacon speed 2 modules

[quiet sandal]

well that doesn't change the plate requirements

only reduces the machines needed

[long mauve]

changing the amount of prod modules needed dramatically

and prod2, not prod3 btw is the goal I imagine starting out

[quiet sandal]

ok well putting 8 on the electric furnaces brings it to 16.6K prod 3s

[marble stream]

You gonna prod2 your prod2 production first

[quiet sandal]

so I imagine that can be reduced by quite a lot

[long mauve]

circuits are usually first aye

atleast, should be

[quiet sandal]

but I don't have a ton of experience with beacons so I can't just input that data without knowing first how I can design it

https://factoriolab.github.io/list?z=eJwrcAnRMjYzMFBLtdDyqPNQK8rX0tLyrAPC-AIgy63OTcsg3jkYwgTBeCdktgkSxyUSwQFqMkaSykNiGyDrD0dw1NIM453jPeI91cosAeuFLK4_&v=9

[marble stream]

8x8

[languid stump]

Mhm just use 8x8 pre format

There’s a setting for it

[long mauve]

just was gonnsa say that

[marble stream]

Anything other is less cost-efficient

[long mauve]

cut down to 14 blue belts of iron and 20 blue belts of copper. extremely reasonable

that is prod3 speed3*

[languid stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/139677590393716737/1028811933916352512/unknown.png?ex=659b3447&is=6588bf47&hm=299602a1b406713f193f590a80c7330c852f1e8b513e98a93e9197b5644bd72f&

[quiet sandal]

https://factoriolab.github.io/list?z=eJxVzc0KgkAYRuG7mcVAoWlSy-Yz0WjVD9ZqFpEF4U9KBS7OtWe4iFm8cJ7V28QHHUSep64LnZGpttb6F2S2GSoh0Z6V.ZiMNK5Ch.HZYeCocuT9ZU3-hyp8Kza1meom-IQYwawxG8wOk2PuCDJFZsgciZACuSElUiE10iAt0pOy5cSFByVPOl586Ief1bCjei-.dEFQdA__&v=9

there

a mere 4,000 prod 3s and 1,800 speed 3s

[long mauve]

heres it with the preset a

hold on

https://factoriolab.github.io/list?z=eJwlwcEKAVEYhuG7mcVXdAxGlv6P4mQlYq-G0jBMqFm8127hedrlXuMqpaLeKCspF92AERPCxIrIxI44EleMh7jEU1zhGl9wg-.4gVv8wj1rtpw4c6PhScebL71UaiHpoL9Z8Zn.AJi-KHk_&v=9 changed again

[quiet sandal]

if I add it to oil too it's like 4,200 prod 3s and still around 1,800 speed 3s

actually I don't think it's showing me the module requirements for the beacons

weird

[steep spindle]

expanding that north might be the next order of business

[long mauve]

more science!

[quiet sandal]

we should be able to beacon pumps

[long mauve]

its weird because you share beacons

[steep spindle]

this makes plenty

[quiet sandal]

force that pipe throughput past it's limits

[long mauve]

this should be about right, https://factoriolab.github.io/list?z=eJwlzb0KwkAUBtG32eKCkkSNWLqfQlwEQRTtthASQaL5QYUU8-wKmeaU02xONsuTxHWtmQWCK9OoWMSdBUssxMOo6yekzPHCb.EBf8Rf8HeEpihDC5SjElWoRk.0Qg3q0EDBnis3HtS09Lz5Mphltv5vzza2dJ.VD-xMLts_&v=9 2522 for the beacons

I assumed an average beacon hits 7 machines

[quiet sandal]

I have no clue what my factory will look like at that point

[long mauve]

lines and lines of beacons

[quiet sandal]

probably nothing I ever could have imagined building 300 hours previously

[long mauve]

yeah beacons are really different

[steep spindle]

here was why my previous question existed

would that work^?

[long mauve]

work? yes. good ratio? unsure

your not gonna use prod modules?

[steep spindle]

i'm just trying to get something basic til beacons

then go prod/speed

with beacons

[long mauve]

heres a good ratio with modules

1 stick to 2 rails works perfect

[steep spindle]

lmao

[long mauve]

that works as well, a bit extra on the rails hm

[steep spindle]

trying to just non prod mod this

[long mauve]

use modules

[steep spindle]

about ready to see if that helps

[long mauve]

turn to the dark side :P

we have bots :D

[steep spindle]

closest ratio I can see

because rails are everywhere

and adding 1 of each does this

non prod/speed modded....

[long mauve]

56:20:40, 28:10:5

[steep spindle]

speed

[steep spindle]

O.o

[steep spindle]

no mods?

[long mauve]

there is no modules

[vagrant anchor]

Damn, speedy

I hope I can get construction bots in that time as well

20 hours to go

[long mauve]

your doing K2SE, thatd be insane haha

[vagrant anchor]

If I go fast might even be able to get umbrella before 48h

But I already disabled cme

[steep spindle]

damn

[vagrant anchor]

I have some experience with x1k already

[long mauve]

can divide that in half, direct insertion will be interesting

[vagrant anchor]

Plus the k2se recipes are actually cheaper and faster than vanilla

[long mauve]

have you finished a vanilla 1000x?

[steep spindle]

testinga build with it rn

[long mauve]

as always keep us updatd

[vagrant anchor]

No, companion drones mod broke on me and I quit

[long mauve]

ah that sucks

[vagrant anchor]

I think i was using too many of them

Some of them just stayed there and didn't move and lagged my game a lot

Could have been due to dynamic construction queue

[long mauve]

it probably was the combination yeah

[steep spindle]

1420 not including

14 : 10: 20

[long mauve]

[steep spindle]

sorry

not 14

its 14 : 5 : 10

if you cut that in half

[long mauve]

yes

[steep spindle]

yeah

thats the 90/m

[long mauve]

looks good, now just copy it a 100 times haha

[steep spindle]

xD

no, doing a actual build rn

closest thing with 28 is 7

which is 1 : 4

[long mauve]

yeah thats not bad, id add that on tbh

[steep spindle]

umm.... drunk brain had another plan

[mossy saddle]

lots of msgs!!

[quiet sandal]

ok I now have five oil fields hooked up to my network

and there's a 6th I can connect as well

[steep spindle]

I blame Fireball for this mess....

[long mauve]

haha its ratioed though

[vagrant anchor]

You can even add beacons to it

[steep spindle]

that fucks up the ratio's

[long mauve]

dang I thought I had a lot at 3. are you speed moduling them

[mossy saddle]

power poles!!

[vagrant anchor]

Might want to keep it tilable

[steep spindle]

its substations!

[mossy saddle]

I'll come after you ggs!

[steep spindle]

hmm.... you right

[vagrant anchor]

Ratios don't matter as long as it works

It's nice to keep track of but doesn't need to be exact

If you have beacons why not use them

[long mauve]

im struggling with this as we speak

[vagrant anchor]

Use factory planner

[steep spindle]

fixing it....

[vagrant anchor]

Saves a lot of headache

[vagrant anchor]

You should DI the modules if possible

Since you're producing them onsite either way

Would instantly make it tilable

[steep spindle]

its 28 to 20

8 extra

[vagrant anchor]

Doesn't need to be exactly ratioed

[steep spindle]

.<

[mossy saddle]

it looks like a sword or is it me?

[long mauve]

it needs to though

[vagrant anchor]

The sleeping asms have very little ups cost

[long mauve]

spaceship

the issue I have rn is I have a prime number of red chips assembler needed, maybe I direct insert into blue and call it a day

[steep spindle]

hmmm.....

[mossy saddle]

might be easiest ngl xd

[steep spindle]

that changes this inner belt

[mossy saddle]

direct insertion could work good

[mossy saddle]

you don't like using belts ggs?

I haven't really seen you use them alot

[steep spindle]

not really no

[vagrant anchor]

I just round off the ratios for everything

[steep spindle]

underground is cleaner to me

[mossy saddle]

ooh because you can't see?

[quiet sandal]

not yet, but they also aren't extremely large

5,000 to 7,000% roughly on each

[steep spindle]

Lemme see what a DI'ed would look like

[steep spindle]

stop breaking my brain!

[vagrant anchor]

That should work

[steep spindle]

so much FUCKING steel

internally calming down now

^ that is only 180/m

[mossy saddle]

damn you need that 10x

[steep spindle]

ummm.....

3600 not 1800

so more like x20

which is 20 fucking belts of steel

[long mauve]

would slightly reduce that. also that steel number is like twice what it is, you have excess machines

[steep spindle]

I only have 1 extra furnace

[long mauve]

7 extra rails and 8 extra modules

this is in red belts. so you need 16.6 red belts of steel for 2 belts of purple lmao

[steep spindle]

they are x3

[long mauve]

yeah, I use rate calc and factory planner to deal with that for me

[steep spindle]

ah

[long mauve]

these are the excess machines

[steep spindle]

O.o because steel is needed for AND

this is where DI is prolly sus

[mossy saddle]

beautifully rounded numbers if I do say so myself

[steep spindle]

looks cleaner

[long mauve]

it does

[steep spindle]

but requires a whole lot more

[long mauve]

more assemblers? thats fine theyre cheap

[steep spindle]

yeah just more making stuff and materials

thats the trade off here

clean and have to pump more in

or spaghetti and accurate

or I just multiply the BS x20 and just go to happy town

[steep spindle]

power poles do look cleaner tho

[mossy saddle]

theres one wire not straight

[steep spindle]

that bottom wire is just a connector

[mossy saddle]

not that one at your assemblers

[steep spindle]

huh

[mossy saddle]

like if you look at the sword

the handl

e

[steep spindle]

oh haha

I dont know whch one I want to do yet

gotcha tho

[mossy saddle]

thank you ❤️

[steep spindle]

this coming together now

I said screw it and went with the DI build

for Tileable sake

[languid stump]

Where’s the DI

[steep spindle]

all of that

[languid stump]

Oh

[languid stump]

Noice

[steep spindle]

just trying to make it Tileable rn

[languid stump]

You direct insertion the prod modules but not the iron sticks ? :p

[steep spindle]

ima find a way!

still need

and needs &

hmmmm..... each side actually only needs a half belt of

but tahts just for

if I do this the stone goes left and the circuit goes right yeah?

[long mauve]

yeah

wait

[steep spindle]

thank God, we out here playing tetris and fucking jenga

[long mauve]

yeah, just the green circuits go on the right belt

[steep spindle]

oh, so stone wont go left there* yeah you right...

basically dont want the Stone brick to continue

so I'd just do that.

damn brain

[long mauve]

stone and green circuits will continue

[steep spindle]

cool, thats what I'm looking for

[long mauve]

awesome

[steep spindle]

I know this may look odd, but thoughts

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

180[item=production-science-pack]Per Minute

[steep spindle]

I feel like I might be missing something

eh, whats the worse that could happen if I fire it on in the test world

LOL

no officer I'm not testing violence....

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

180[item=production-science-pack]Per Minute

[steep spindle]

@mossy saddle

I'm gonna power that thing on tomorrow

my brain hurts

because this exists.....

I'ma go cry now

[mossy saddle]

Looks satisfying!!

[steep spindle]

going to be a big pain in the ass to set up

and I need to not be drunk to do it lol

[mossy saddle]

xD but drinking is fun

[vagrant anchor]

@mossy saddle Do you think it's a good idea to rush 100% rocket reusability?

It takes a lot of astro 1 but it would reduce costs a lot

Rocket fuel is oil which is infinite and can just keep launching, or made on site with water through ammonia

[mossy saddle]

Yeah you got to try reducing costs unless you want to have a massive production

[vagrant anchor]

It is really expensive though

Like, 32k science or smth for the last one

That's 32mil astro 1 packs

The early ones are definitely worth it though

Also I'm not sure if pyroflux smelting is worth

Since vulcanite is already going to be used a lot just for science, and you need a lot more of it if you do pyroflux smelting

It could be better for ups, but I'll probably just use the dupe box mod for smelting either way

[vagrant anchor]

need more belts

finally hooked up all the mines i need though

21 hours in time to finally start building

[quiet sandal]

now that I'm at this point, my priority should probably be to rebuild my factory from the ground up

get everything off the belts and into trains

[vagrant anchor]

Might want to get some blue science to get bots going first

[mossy saddle]

Just research it to have it then you never know if you'll need it xd

[vagrant anchor]

Bro... in this challenge you never stop researching

My current roadmap is holmium-iridium-vita

For planets I have set evolution to 0 and expansion to 0 peaceful mode no no pollution so I can just clear them out manually while waiting for science

[mossy saddle]

oh you've already reached other planets?

[vagrant anchor]

No ofc not

I can't play 100 hours a day lmao

I've setup 1.8k red/green and resources for 1.8k blue as well, just need the labs

Then I'll double to 3.6k

[mossy saddle]

I'm waiting for the rails now then I'll start building bigger then 1.8k

[vagrant anchor]

This is just for ups, holmium for wab first since that's the one that gives the most gains, then iridium for speed modules and vita for prod mods

I do have a train mod that makes trains go zoom and carry a lot so space elevators might be decent for ups compared to cargo rockets

[vagrant anchor]

Steel furnaces is pretty cheap, and you'll get red belts on the way, good time to just double it conveniently

Since blue science is quite cheap I think it's a good strat to go for bots first before rails

[mossy saddle]

steel furnaces are cheap but I want to make a blocks design I think since I can carry it upto space too then

[vagrant anchor]

Since having actual construction bots will really help a lot with how fast you can expand

[mossy saddle]

I don't think I'll go overkill on the bots it ruins my experience if I just bot everything in x

[vagrant anchor]

I have a pretty ups efficient modular base design if you want

[vagrant anchor]

Not logistics bots, construction bots

Having a rail grid that has roboports and builds that include roboports will save you a lot of time when expanding

[mossy saddle]

if you want you can show me!

I mean you'll have to wait anyways on your research so it can always be good to just have the updated bots being a bit silly but doing their work

[vagrant anchor]

I'll show you once I get back to my laptop

[mossy saddle]

sure!

I think I'll get a couple thousand logistics so I can auto get items from bots in my mall

[vagrant anchor]

Yeah but compared to the amount of stuff you need to build, personal bots won't do shit

[mossy saddle]

I've got the updated construction bot sxd

and I've chosen the builder perk I thought

[vagrant anchor]

That mod can be laggy

There's also a very limited amount of stuff you can carry, and if you use a builder train you spend a lot of time getting building materials

[mossy saddle]

there still has to be a challenge somewhere! 😛

since I think it'll go faster and faster once you get to a certain stage

[vagrant anchor]

It'll get slower, ups 📉

[mossy saddle]

I should be fine for a long time with my new pc

[vagrant anchor]

You are using a i7 4th gen right? You'll run into issues quite soon

[mossy saddle]

not 4th gen xd

i7 12650

so I think that's good enough for factorio?

[vagrant anchor]

Oh that's really good

I misread this lol

You will likely still run into ups issues around the midgame where you need to massively expand, but you should be fine for a good bit

At least until prod and util science u should be fine if you don't do stuff that's bad for ups

The late game will all be about ups optimising though

[mossy saddle]

oh lol no worries! ^^

yeah I'm sure it'll be UPS friendly optimising but we'll get through it

[vagrant anchor]

@mossy saddle

the loaders/unloaders need merged chests, small chests, crane inserters and fluid must flow

its made with only construction pylons and superchargers, you can just replace it with big poles and roboports

you can also just scale it down

it makes the pathfinding simpler than a city block design

[mossy saddle]

I've never used a train bus before so you'll have to tell me how it works sorry xd

[vagrant anchor]

also far less signals than a city block, if you use the same number of lanes

its just the name

the way i use it is putting the main trunk vertically, and having the stuff unload from either the top or bottom and flow down or up through the production into the loading

its like a city block but with simpler pathfinding i guess

[mossy saddle]

how do I share bps?

[vagrant anchor]

export to string

[mossy saddle]

I just copy it?

[vagrant anchor]

yep

and paste it here

[mossy saddle]

this is what I'll use

[vagrant anchor]

that block seems a bit small but sure i guess

also, for stackers, its better to use a train stop based stacker

trains waiting at a signal will keep checking

you can refer to my blueprint for the design of the train stop based stacker, it should work based on my usage of it

[mossy saddle]

I'm not sure how I'll add a stacker into that bp

since I need enough space to add like 1.8k spm

after reds 3.6 a block to maybe double ish

[vagrant anchor]

theres a bp in that book called long side with stacker

you might want to use a larger block though...

with such a small block your trains will have a lot of pathfinding to do for the same amount of production

[mossy saddle]

hmm how big would you suggest?

I can put 5k a block when I get t2 assem atm

or like more 3.6k ish if I don't push the limits

[vagrant anchor]

maybe 5-6 chunks wide and 3-4 chunks tall? to consider for wide area beacon builds

wabbed builds in k2 are usually far bigger though since there are advanced machines that can stick quite far out of the range of a wab

a wab covers a chunk

[mossy saddle]

before I get the beacons n stuff I'll just use that blocks since beacons are still millions away xd

[vagrant anchor]

its not a huge amount away tbh

[mossy saddle]

rn I'm doing 4h for 200k ish

[vagrant anchor]

HUH

WTF

is this because of burner inserters?

[vagrant anchor]

1.8k basic/red/green

time to start setting up blue

nvm ill hook up more mines for upgrading to red belts first

[steep spindle]

Wow your hooking stuff and my run took 24hrs to hit trains. My next x1k will be as little afk as possible

[vagrant anchor]

yeah i barely afked

like around 5h of igt to get electric stuff basically

[steep spindle]

Oh

[vagrant anchor]

From the current research time estimations I think 40h for bots is possible

Since I'm gonna double my spm soon

Probably gonna be 40-50h for bots and then start train basing

currently at 24h

[steep spindle]

Ah

Neat, base looked cool to

[vagrant anchor]

thanks

[steep spindle]

Gonna try to hook up the prod science today

[mossy saddle]

good luck!

[steep spindle]

before I do that we double this!

[quiet sandal]

could I get a blueprint of that train station?

[steep spindle]

the stacker and the station piece?

@quiet sandal

[steep spindle]

sure one sec, just the rails?

[quiet sandal]

yeah that's fine, just need a design to test and modify for my furnace arrays

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

Blue Science Station

[steep spindle]

@quiet sandal there you are

[quiet sandal]

thanks

[steep spindle]

yw

[quiet sandal]

this is for a 1:4 train right?

if not that can easily be changed too

ah, it's a 2:4 train

[steep spindle]

its 2 4 yeah

[quiet sandal]

why can't pipe assemblers have prod modules?

ah, intermediates only

interesting

so you can't prod module prod modules

[quiet sandal]

ok this is what I'm gonna have so far

6 dropoffs for iron or copper, 1 for coal

and I'll have four rows of furnace arrays with 6 stacks in each

[steep spindle]

interesting layout

[quiet sandal]

though with my current research I don't know how effective my stack inserters will be

I'll have to see if this can fill a belt

[steep spindle]

the belt unloader I had did fill a red belt

[quiet sandal]

if my inserters are being bottlenecked by the single belt I'll switch back to that

I left the space for it if I need to

my stack inserters currently aren't upgraded, so they can only hold 2

[languid stump]

Oh wow all the trains

Fair enough

Yeah all the researches to make trains decent has made me hesitant

Stack size 2 Inserters as an interface for instance

[long mauve]

I just did trains before that research and planned for it

[quiet sandal]

it's worth it in the end though

[languid stump]

Maybe

[quiet sandal]

because you can build it and it only becomes more effective over time

[languid stump]

I think I’m gonna try it without them

Cause by the time I have 1.8k blue science I don’t really need that much more

There’s like 2M purple / yellow needed

Roughly

[steep spindle]

I'm hard contemplating my trains for

wanted to build that today

but like... ouch

[languid stump]

I’m gonna try to build my circuit plant

I still have a lot to do though

[quiet sandal]

1.1K steel furnaces

maybe I should have put that in my mall a while ago

[languid stump]

1,056 for me yeah

For my blue science

By hand

Why did I do this lol

Well they’re mostly done at least

[steep spindle]

think I'ma build my next to a stone patch

this whole mfer... is charging itself

wow I'm stupid

[steep spindle]

this gave me an idea

[long mauve]

Haha that’s a funny way of putting it I like it

[languid stump]

So many furnaces

But 1 red belt of coal can provide it all lol

Anyway I’ve got all the copper and half the the iron in, I just need the iron ore for steel

But I can do the circuits part first at least and that iron mine can use at least

[quiet sandal]

I'm not so sure this is a great idea

the trains should probably have a more direct approach

[languid stump]

What science are you working on?

[quiet sandal]

this is just a smelting array

24 red belts worth

which without productivity modules would be exactly enough to feed 3600 blue science per minute

but the resource cost of building this

[languid stump]

[quiet sandal]

beacons are a long way off, but they will allow me to make my factory exponentially smaller while producing more

with far, far higher power draw

[languid stump]

I’m stoked for beacons

not that far kinda

[quiet sandal]

it doesn't seem like it's far

[languid stump]

red circuit design is in

[steep spindle]

time to find a way to fire this puppy in the other world

[languid stump]

time to build it by hand lol

[long mauve]

for blue science? you progressing so fast

that hand building is gonna be awful

[languid stump]

A bit lol

But I’ve designed the prints to make it least painful

Can see on the red chips I’ll be placing 6 long Inserters in one clean sweep

And it’s mostly long straight belts and assemblers

But then I need to engines, 1 more iron ore patch + 5 belts cross country, blue science itself, many oil fields and a refinery

And then I pretty much don’t have to hand build more except stuff in my mall for robots

[long mauve]

yeah not bad tbh

[languid stump]

All the smelting is ready

Not as bad as you’d think!

Kinda cool

[long mauve]

now im wishing I did handbuilding lol

but im not going through that pain again :P

[languid stump]

GGs was saying same thing, next 1k game gonna do no early bot mod

[long mauve]

next? hes insane :P

[languid stump]

Yea lol

Right

I’m going back to space exploration after a quick victory is my plan

[long mauve]

sounds like a good plan, I have no idea what id do. I have like 7 different overhaul games I can play on

my endgame goal is probably 10k spm

[languid stump]

Yeah I think I made a mistake starting this while doing space exploration

That’s why I’m tryna finish fast xD

[long mauve]

haha I thought you were burned out of SE and thats why you started this

[languid stump]

Maybe at some level

But I wanna keep going with it

Just have the big Arco sphere barrier ahead of me

Wanted something mindless before that

Like hand building 1000x lol

[long mauve]

thats fair, those seem very painful

I just play a different game if I need something mindless

[languid stump]

Yea fair

I do that too

But I kept wanting to play factorio and doing nothing

And earlier I did a vanilla deathworld in the middle of the SE run and that was nice

Came back and did more SE after a brief detour, prob be similar here

[long mauve]

that makes sense, im the opposite even if I say ill be back i probably wont

my bases get too crazy for me to remember how to make it work

[languid stump]

I used to never finish anything lol

Been trying to change that slightly

[long mauve]

same

except i havent finished anything I just want to

[languid stump]

Finish the 1000x first

It’s vanilla ish I suppose

[long mauve]

thats the plan! then look at one of my other maps, like k2

or theres this new overhaul, something about a cube

[languid stump]

That could be fun

[tepid axle]

Ultracube: Age of Cube

Unravel the mysteries of the ultradense utility cube in this devious overhaul mod.

Owner

grandseiken

Downloads

365

[languid stump]

Devious… hmmm

Well red chips just came in

Yay

The research

Modules next

[steep spindle]

anyone got a 10 belt balancer from a 4 cargo wagon?

also WE ARE CLOSING IN!

[stark wigeon]

It's you, those look clean

[mossy saddle]

🥲

[languid stump]

Why tho

[vagrant anchor]

You should do x1k k2se lol

It is quite interesting

[steep spindle]

#1188693488464834623 message

[vagrant anchor]

Bots aren't that far in so it's not that bad

[steep spindle]

This is why

[languid stump]

Nahhh I’d rather megabase SE with all the nice things

[vagrant anchor]

I think it's easier to just extract 2.5 belts per wagon

[vagrant anchor]

Beacons? Never heard of her

[steep spindle]

Outta 4 wagons?

[languid stump]

Or just use 2 stations that are 4 belts and 1 that’s 2 belts

Make life easy for yourself

[vagrant anchor]

Doing k2se on x1k really forces you to design a base for every single tech stage though

You can't just brute force and skip a lot of techs like in normal se

[languid stump]

So far my experience with x1000 is skipping more tech than normal

Lol

But I see where you’re coming from ig

[steep spindle]

Sad but true

If I wasn't doing a 100% run

[languid stump]

It also doesn’t allow any biter related stages tbh

And I get a lot of stages out of that

[vagrant anchor]

In vanilla you can do that

But with this you cant

[languid stump]

Maybe

Maybe

I don’t really know how I would approach it to be fair

[vagrant anchor]

Science is way more expensive

This playthrough will probably last me the entire of 2024 lol

Currently my plan is to do a module rush after vulc/cyro

Probably gonna get ice from belt 2 and get vulc first for beacons

And then holmium iridium vita for modules

[steep spindle]

already doing this
4 belts of
6 belts of
6 belts of

[vagrant anchor]

Actually, it's probably worth getting beryllium for cheaper insight along with everything else

[steep spindle]

I could just go craft 1.3M and go get the silo LOL after 600k

[vagrant anchor]

Handcraft 1.3mil science packs

[mossy saddle]

you can do it!

[steep spindle]

will set it up when I log in next

brain hurt trying to configure a 10 lane iron belt

[mossy saddle]

xD I want to see your balancers

[vagrant anchor]

Just don't balance

Do 2.5 from every wagon

[steep spindle]

sure, when I log in

[mossy saddle]

oki! xd

[quiet sandal]

@mossy saddle have you completed a normal SE or K2SE run before?

[mossy saddle]

nope that makes it intereting

interesting

justs till space

[quiet sandal]

damn

still have a lot to build

[vagrant anchor]

2 hours until i can double my spm...

bots in 40-50h playtime seems possible

guess ill set up stuff for blue science first

[steep spindle]

how can you queue so muh

[quiet sandal]

ultimate research mod or something I believe

[quiet sandal]

finished building the furnace stack, now I just need to build it's pickup system

almost done

current power draw is a mere 100 MW

raised by about 1 or 2 MW just from it's idle power draw

[vagrant anchor]

man k2se has some insane power demands

im already at 400MW with just 1.8kspm of basic/red/green

[quiet sandal]

my factory is a mess, but it's making some big progress

[steep spindle]

what mod is your massive research queue thing?

[vagrant anchor]

ultimate research queue

900MW of power, should be enough when i double,,, though blue will take so much more than that

[quiet sandal]

@vagrant anchor @mossy saddle If you ever want to play a normal K2, SE, or K2SE game together I’d be willing to, I’ve played SE before but never got off Nauvis because figuring out how to automate rockets and deciding on what I need to put in them was difficult

[vagrant anchor]

nah normal k2se got boring for me

bruh why is my inserter updatetime hovering at 5

[mossy saddle]

Oh you'd love to do k2se?

[vagrant anchor]

time to start doubling

need so many red belts though

my mall is actually bottlenecking my expansion its pretty crazy

[marble stream]

Hmm, you are k2se

Are you going to scale down eventually?

[vagrant anchor]

start is kinda similar to vanilla but also a bit unique

[mossy saddle]

The burner start 😍😍

[vagrant anchor]

and unique is pretty unique

[marble stream]

Arcospheres something something

[vagrant anchor]

with wide area beacons it can get quite compact but ill still need a lot more late game

arcospheres arent too bad

ill just brute force through the diminishing returns for collection

[marble stream]

Doubt you can scale arcs over 10 times
Didn't play then so not sure

[vagrant anchor]

and with an optimied arco setup

wagons with superior inserters

that makes the spheres travel really quickly

considering that bot speed is expensive and i likely wont have much of it by the time im at arcos

[vagrant anchor]

this is the ultracube strat lol

its all just an optimisation problem

plus spheres are theoretically infinite

[marble stream]

Os ultrtracube any good?
I forgot stop playing three day in a row

[vagrant anchor]

its good, but i got a bit tired of waiting around

even with a fast factory theres a good bit of waiting due to how slow inserters are

[marble stream]

No x1000 ultracube lol?

[vagrant anchor]

its a bit annoying

[vagrant anchor]

handfeeding hell

the main thing is the rare metal recipe, it takes so much and inserters are slow which makes the recipe really slow

could have dealt with it with a slight bit more effort but was just lazy

[vagrant anchor]

welp, doesnt seem like 40h bots is possible, probably 50h

even 3.6k isnt nearly enough

[mossy saddle]

3.6k spm is way to low xD

I nearly have trains

[mossy saddle]

24hours left till my base gets beamed 🥲

[steep spindle]

Atom modpack is now thinking about adding 5Dims, don't know if they're in here, but changing core gameplay around so much is why people don't play certain packs lol

I'd definitely go back to it if they added that tho

One of my first overhaul mods was 5Dims

[vagrant anchor]

which is why i disabled cme lol

[steep spindle]

CME?

[vagrant anchor]

coronal mass ejection

it shouldnt be a big laser from the sun but thats what SE makes it to be

instead of frying all your electronic components

[mossy saddle]

🤣 if you get lucky you don't get hit tho!

[steep spindle]

True

I'm thinking about a 5dims run after this one ends

[stark wigeon]

5dims

What this means?

[steep spindle]

It's another modpack

[steep spindle]

Another modpack is not an insane overhaul, but it's different

[mossy saddle]

you've got enough time

since it might still be a year for 2.0

[quiet sandal]

hmmm

so 15 chem plants will make a full red belt of plastic

however it being an odd number is a problem

it also uses exactly half a red belt of coal

so in that case, what I'll do is have 30 machines outputting onto two red belts with splitters

and they can have two yellow belts of coal

[languid stump]

But when do you even want full belts of plastic

That’s one question I would ask

(I make my plastic by the consumer and put it on a half belt to feed machines)

Also, prod1 is pretty good for plastic

[quiet sandal]

I need 6 red belts of plastic for chem science

[languid stump]

You could instead input 3 belts of coal like fuel to a smelting line

[upbeat sluice]

Blueprint String

Plastic

[languid stump]

And then plastic just drops into the red :D.

But fair enough 🤷‍♂️

[languid stump]

I think this may have issues compressing the output belt

[quiet sandal]

same basic design works for my green circuits, so I think it'll be fine

[mossy saddle]

round to the nearest number up so 16 it's what I do xd

[steep spindle]

My BP string command isn't working anymore how did you get it to work

[quiet sandal]

the size of your builds you might need to use file instead

it "just worked" for me

[steep spindle]

Ah

Like I don't expect Galaga to be a string, but that makes sense

[quiet sandal]

I'm missing a yellow underground

[steep spindle]

Oh nooo9o

[quiet sandal]

probably left behind at one of my ore patches

...somewhere

[mossy saddle]

xD I got the same issues meme what I do then is place it in my mall and take a full stack out and ignore it 😛

[quiet sandal]

found it

good thing I'm working on this anyway

[languid stump]

Now that’s a shortage!

[quiet sandal]

yeah

[mossy saddle]

it's time to upgrade meme! get more miners!!!

[languid stump]

I did more afk of my x1000

I unlocked chemical science

Now I need to sit down and build it and robots here I come!

I’ve put my base to work on mining prod 1

Seemed like the best idea idk

[marble stream]

Inserter stack size?

[languid stump]

thought about it

[marble stream]

250k one

[languid stump]

maybe next ill unlock stack inserters

but I could also get rails and concrete which will be needed for victory

[marble stream]

I mean for regular stack size 2

[languid stump]

yeah, thats even more pricey

I would just standardize stack inserters the moment I get them tbh

I guess it helps longs still

yeah thats nice

[languid stump]

600k sci for this

from where I am now

[mossy saddle]

time to work on your science then!

[languid stump]

mhm, im building the blue now :D.

red chips first, and some modules

then another iron mine and the engines and oil

errr I guess oil needs to happen first ish

[mossy saddle]

I can't expand to much the locals have found me already!

[languid stump]

ohh

you have bugs!?

youre mad :D. i love it

[mossy saddle]

yeah they attacked my power grid not so long ago xD

the main issue is.... the nests are 600% larger

you'd think 600% starting area would be good enough..

[quiet sandal]

I nearly got smacked by a train

and my car was parked just a few inches off the rails too

that train nearly got a double kill since I was walking to my car

[mossy saddle]

xD you're supposed to watch left and right!

[quiet sandal]

I'd say this is better

it's throughput limited by the fast inserters, so once I have red circuit production built I'll fix that with stack inserters

but even then, it's more than enough for what is needed in this section of my factory

[steep spindle]

Me daily

[mossy saddle]

ggs you don't have the spidertron yet!

[quiet sandal]

when the trains leave the copper slows down to a trickle from what's remaining of my copper mine, but the usage in this part of my factory isn't high enough for it to matter

the furnaces provide enough of a buffer

[mossy saddle]

awh that's cute meme you got a small island of miners feeding it too!!

[steep spindle]

Don't have yellow or military science up either

[quiet sandal]

so that's half of my factory fixed

[steep spindle]

About got the purple done

[quiet sandal]

now I have to fix the iron supply in my other factory

[mossy saddle]

how much purple science are you going for?

[steep spindle]

3600 lol

[quiet sandal]

down here I have plenty of copper but not enough iron

[steep spindle]

I went whole hog

[mossy saddle]

apparantly you need loads of iron I think ggs nearly died of it

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

ooh 3.6k should be more then enough for now! 😛

[steep spindle]

48k /m or 18.4

[mossy saddle]

48K DAMN

[languid stump]

packed up

[steep spindle]

So I'ma build it like it's a 3600/m build but wait till beacons to crank it up

[steep spindle]

[mossy saddle]

what are you going to build xd

[languid stump]

Red chips :D.

[quiet sandal]

I hand crafted 20 repair kits around the start of this game

or maybe around when I got a car

idk

[steep spindle]

Geez

[quiet sandal]

but I have 10 left

no biters means I have no reason to automate them

[languid stump]

😛

[mossy saddle]

my meteors are eating my repairs xd

[languid stump]

mmm modules.

[mossy saddle]

congrats!!

[languid stump]

tis complete!

onto the engines.. then blue sci

[mossy saddle]

Nice job Putin!!!

[languid stump]

thanks!!

Now I just need to make something of similar scale for engines :D.

But a bit less bad I think as pipes and gears are made fast

[mossy saddle]

secretly steal ggs design!

👀

show me your powerpoles

[languid stump]

I need something easy to hand build :p

pretty clean tbh

[mossy saddle]

what's the blue thingy in the middle of your red circuits?

[languid stump]

A radar :D.

[mossy saddle]

your modules can still have straight powerlines ;P

[languid stump]

I usually don’t care at all about them lol

[mossy saddle]

I won't torture you asmuch as I did with GGs

[languid stump]

Ok I just need 382 engine unit machines

And 494 blue science machines

And like ~50 making pipes and gears

I hope my power grid will hold

Just needs to be able to make it until robots :D.

[steep spindle]

Lmao

[languid stump]

And then… and then.. mmm solar fields

[steep spindle]

I have a 3600 engine build right now

[languid stump]

Very nice

[steep spindle]

Will prolly increase it after I get purple going

[languid stump]

Dayum you are growing a lot

I’m still at around 1k spm ish

I’m gonna get my red / green up to 1.8k after bots, then decide if I go 3.6k or just rush rocket

[steep spindle]

I put the pedal through the floor board haha

Going to get prod rolling then finish the build

[languid stump]

Noice

Prod3?

[steep spindle]

Haven't gotten that yet

Prod science sorry

Getting it going to just get science being researched

[languid stump]

Ohh ok

Makes sense yeah

Beacons are real cheap

[steep spindle]

Because 19 belts of steel

[languid stump]

I might try to get a basic purple setup working right after bots, basically

[steep spindle]

Is a fuckery

[languid stump]

My god

That’s a lot

[steep spindle]

Yeah

[languid stump]

It really needs 19??

[steep spindle]

Not looking forward to that

[languid stump]

Well, I’m just gonna tell myself that robots will make that better and hope it becomes true when I get there xD

I think I’m gonna make the filthiest mega roboport grid

[steep spindle]

Yeah it does at full power

[languid stump]

And just put like 50 red chip machines in my mall making roboports

[steep spindle]

48k/m

[languid stump]

Dayum

What modules did you plan it for?

[steep spindle]

Umm.... 😂

None lmao

Prolly should tbh

[languid stump]

:p

Maybe, haha

19/1.4 = 13.57

Doesn’t do that much on purple science / steel , but still helps

[steep spindle]

Rate calc showed 18.4

[languid stump]

Prob would be at 13 belts then

[steep spindle]

Steel

[languid stump]

Mhm

So much still

I’ll probably plan it for prod3 in the purple and yellow machines

And beacons I suppose

[steep spindle]

#1188693488464834623 message

Found it

That's why ^

[languid stump]

Damn 3500 spm

I guess that’s what you need to 100%

Makes sense

[steep spindle]

3600 🙂

[languid stump]

Oh

Gotcha

[steep spindle]

Ye, if I wasn't wanting to 100% it I'd do less

[languid stump]

I think I’ll probably just cruise on in with 1.8k

Needed purple / yellow tech for rocket is gonna take something like 20 hours at that pace

Seems fine

[steep spindle]

Yeah

Not bad

[languid stump]

Yea, doesn’t seem worth the effort doubling all the other science just to cut 10 hours off

For your 100% goal I think you’re cutting off 100s of hours xD

That seems needed

[marble stream]

What's your pollution settings?

[mossy saddle]

Where do I check?

[steep spindle]

Current contemplation is

Because

[marble stream]

Dunno honestly

[languid stump]

engine planning

[mossy saddle]

planning!

but not yet making it smh

happy new year to all of you silly gooses

[quiet sandal]

iron in part of my factory started having issues

seven of the ten furnace stacks were being fully fed while the other three were barely getting anything

all I had to do was redo the belt balancing for the ore

far better now

(I also fixed train 1 having an uneven pull rate)

[languid stump]

mmm

[quiet sandal]

...and I am finally researching chemical science

damn

I had been trying to research other things before that to give me time to fix more parts of my factory before building chemical science

but this means I'm running out of things to research

[languid stump]

I think I’m gonna build a long winding blue science line

So while I’m building the blue science it takes it towards the labs xD

Just need sulfur first… 8 Chem plants xD

Always funny to see noobs build like 20 sulfur machines for blue science

[mossy saddle]

what are you planning xd

[languid stump]

Prod1s in every machine that takes em except drills :D.

And pumpjacks

I probably won’t module the red and green by hand yet

Just need to get this blue in for my roboto friends

[languid stump]

Wait a min

That inventory of prod1s is 1/10th ish what is needed for beacons

Damn that shit is cheap even with 1000x

[long mauve]

1/10th of the prod modules needed for purple science for beacons? interesting

did you finish blue science?

[languid stump]

I’m close

I just gotta build 500 blue science assemblers, 8 sulfur machines, then redo the oil processing to add cracking

Bc it will be woefully inadequate to start

Oh and then connect more oil and iron ore fields