Hello! I'm new to factorio! I've played for like 20 hours and I think I got the early game down. I can consistently get all the green research, but the issue is I have no idea what to do after that's done, I try to expand but it doesn't work. Any tips?
#New player need help
ornate shoal
inner ore
Broadly speaking if you're not sure what to do next look in the research tree for whatever the next science is, then work towards making it.
Seems like you need to start making Chemical Science 
next.
inner ore
That's familiar haha
near cosmos
If you're playing with biters, automating some military science, grenades, and damage upgrades before getting oil is an option
inner ore
Yeah Nilaus makes good stuff
near cosmos
But what you need after green science is pump jacks and oil
inner ore
The big thing is definitely oil, it's the primary ingredient of chemical science
ornate shoal
so do I go up or down?
scarlet merlin
Looks like the oil to the SE is closest.
inner ore
Both are close enough to run a pipe so you should be good in that regard, just keep in mind you need to keep the biters off of it
ornate shoal
Both are close enough to run a pipe so you should be good in that regard, just k...
I am aware
it used to be much worse but I've cleared plenty
if I recall, 9
Ok but how do I add military science to the system?
ornate shoal
I'm assuming more than this then
scarlet merlin
Oh, I missed those. But yes, probably more than that.
ornate shoal
should I make like a separate farm? With 24 furnaces?
scarlet merlin
Could do. Just be aware that each furnace making steel eats the output of one furnace making iron. So don't choke your iron supply by diverting all of it to steel.
near cosmos
Handful of steel furnaces is enough for getting started: https://katiska.cc/n/temp/factorio/screenshots/bootstrap/00-red-green-black-starter.png
scarlet merlin
I would also think about upgrading your stone furnaces to steel furnaces, which work twice as quickly for the same amount of coal.
Since you have green science you should be able to access those.
ornate shoal
I would also think about upgrading your stone furnaces to steel furnaces, which ...
don't they polute way more however?
near cosmos
Nope they pollute less
inner ore
Technically they pollute less because you need to mine less coal for the same output
ornate shoal
Oh cool!
ornate shoal
Handful of steel furnaces is enough for getting started: https://katiska.cc/n/te...
Also what are those like green red and yellow signals?
scarlet merlin
The pollution from the furnace itself is also doubled, which means it's the same pollution per unit smelted. But, yes, the reduction in coal means less pollution overall.
near cosmos
Also what are those like green red and yellow signals?
Added by bottleneck-mod, red=missing resources, yellow=stopped because output full etc
ornate shoal
ok so I need a place to automate steel furnaces, red ammo, and stone walls and make military tech thingies?
what else am I missing?
scarlet merlin
Stockpile some pipes and underground pipes if you aren't already. You'll need them once you start messing with oil.
near cosmos
One tip is that use red ammo only for making military science and defender bots.
Red ammo in gun turrets is kinda bad, but defenders are great
scarlet merlin
Red ammo in turrets is certainly more effective than the basic ammo. It's just a lot more expensive.
It can be worth doing if you've started getting medium biters.
ornate shoal
Yeah I understood what they meant
Ok so how should I do this?
I need a place to get pipes, both types, a place for red ammo, walls, and grenades, as well as engines
also more metal bars
scarlet merlin
Walls just come from bricks, so that's easy, you can do that off to the side wherever.
ornate shoal
and probably steel furnaces
near cosmos
It can be worth doing if you've started getting medium biters.
It's better to use those magazines to make damage upgrades. Problem with using red ammo in turrets is that it spawns a lot more extra biters
ornate shoal
Walls just come from bricks, so that's easy, you can do that off to the side whe...
does this work?
scarlet merlin
I think the main problem with this layout is that it's a bit cramped.
A single wall assembler will probably be plenty. They're quick to craft.
scarlet merlin
You've got two stacks of iron furnaces going, but you've only really got one belt of iron that's managed to escape to where new production can access it.
So I think I'd put some thought into how you can get your resources out to where you can use them to build all this new stuff you need to build.
scarlet merlin
If you're talking about sending ore to a third stack of furnaces, then maybe, sure.
ornate shoal
well that or
I can redesign HOW I get steel bars
and only use two as well
like work from here
how about this?
bad pic
Tried this as well before heading to bed, getting close to 4 AM
ornate shoal
I'm just gonna post this before heading off to show what I've done and if anyone has any ideas for me, then to feel free to add them
cobalt sierra
Here's a good tip: Don't be afraid go put more space in between your different Factories, in the event you need to increase the size of or route belts past your factories
It all looks nice and neat, but you're certainly going to run into logistics problems
keen spoke
pro tip: just play and don't fear mistakes, you'll find yourself playing on many different saves with different goals which will be your choice, whether you launch a rocket or 10, test stuff in the map editor, use mods, speedrun, play different game modes or scenarios, etc.
ornate shoal
does anyone mind playing a game with me, later today, to teach me things?
i think that's a way better way to learn, and more fun.
near cosmos
Also looking at some speedruns will tell you the minimum you need to do to launch rocket
Normally, when I play I speedrun to construction bots and mines as soon as possible and after that do what ever I want 🙂
I'm not saying that you should speedrun if that's not something you enjoy.
But knowing what kind of designs are fast to build and efficient is useful.
ornate shoal
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cedar crypt
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You better look for 100% rather then default settings as they are more optimized for endgame which you certainly want
near cosmos
100% games are much more complex and use blueprints, which makes them harder to follow when you're starting
Biggest hurdle when you're new is how to get bots, and speedruns show you how to get them fast 🙂
ornate shoal
Ok now I'm confused
chilly kestrel
Also looking at some speedruns will tell you the [minimum you need to do to laun...
This is actually significantly difficult to follow, even for veteran players. This requires very minimal mistakes.
That's a more dangerous early game and with 24 burner miners burning coal. That, in a random map, is enough pollution to immediately trigger biters at the 15 minute mark or less.
chilly kestrel
does anyone mind playing a game with me, later today, to teach me things?
i thin...
Honestly I'm down, but what version are you on?
ornate shoal
Honestly I'm down, but what version are you on?
Well I'm vanilla
I haven't added any mods
chilly kestrel
Well I'm vanilla
No, the factorio version, the 1.1.x thing.
ornate shoal
My bad
ornate shoal
No, the factorio **version**, the 1.1.x thing.
chilly kestrel
Ah, I wish I could have helped.
ornate shoal
Ah, I wish I could have helped.
somthing's wrong, ain't it?
cedar crypt
somthing's wrong, ain't it?
Pro players are playing on latest experimental rather then stable game version
It's a bit risky but may have a few bugfixes for bugs people barely ever seen
ornate shoal
ok so I am not stupid then
cedar crypt
So if they really want they can just switch the version in steam and wait for a minute
cedar crypt
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pcu3V9fsI
100% have some things better then any%, because they have to be Lazy Bastard which is very important for you
Elaboration: Lazy Bastard is not crafting things manually