Balancers

[wanton talon]

tada

[trail holly]

Wait what

Can we all do this

[wanton talon]

no

[gray meteor]

he has hax

[trail holly]

haxer

I will be posting here frequently

@kindred bobcat Join ussss

[kindred bobcat]

Yippe

Ok so, first things first we need to define what we want to “solve”

From our conversation, I think we have slightly different things we’re interested in

[trail holly]

Yeah, I was working on splitter networks first

And then there's the actual realizations

[kindred bobcat]

So either we figure out something we can both write up together, or we can work on two separate things and help each other at the same time

[trail holly]

I mean, it's sorta just whatever to me

[kindred bobcat]

I kinda want to go for something like

Given N inputs and M outputs, what’s the least amount of splitters required

Or, nodes if we want to be more general

[trail holly]

Yeah, that's what I was trying

But it's probably gonna need a program

Doesn't seem easy to describe mathematically

Fun fact: this isn't a balancer

[kindred bobcat]

That’s the fun part

(And mostly why I want to do it mathematically, it seems like a fun challenge)

[trail holly]

No, I mean, it's probably not possible to describe concisely

Like, there's probably no way haha

Sort of like, as an example, if you have f(n+1)=f(n)^2+1, there's no formula for f

[kindred bobcat]

I mean, what are we even trying to describe?

[trail holly]

The solutions

Like, the minimal solutions

I guess you could describe how to find them, but that's just the same as an algorithm

[trail holly]

What sort of program are you going for

[kindred bobcat]

At the end of it

Something like

Inputs - outputs

And then getting a blueprint

[trail holly]

Seems like it'd be hard to beat the sat-solver

[kindred bobcat]

That’s why I’d try to use math

And it’s less about beating anyone

More just making something cool

[trail holly]

The sat solver will always be cooler though 😛

[trail holly]

What's this?

Also any progress @kindred bobcat ?

[kindred bobcat]

Still moving

[trail holly]

Whatcha been doing

[kindred bobcat]

Moving boxes

Right now I’m waiting for the internet guy to come over

Pretty fucking boring

I wonder if I can setup my pc

[trail holly]

Ohh I misinterpreted that

That sucks, good luck with moving

[gray meteor]

Hey since thos is the balancers thread does anyone know how to protect a base from rampant ai raiding

[kindred bobcat]

Thanks

[trail holly]

What does that have to do with balancers?

[gray meteor]

ok

[trail holly]

?

[kindred bobcat]

Grinch: my goals are beyond your understanding

[untold cypress]

I can help

I only play with rampant enabled

[light cargo]

Omg I am officially moving in here, where do I sleep set up my shit

ᴹᵉᵈᵈˡᵉᵐᵃⁿ — Today at 16:04
@ IronCart/Putin/SpeckledFleebee

If you have a balancer ending like this, is it still prudent not to allow extra splitter connections where not previously put/needed, to force specific lines to fuse with other specific lines?

Eg, here, you can see up the top you can see that the column on the left moves over 1 space to the right, immediately tunneling to allow the rightmost tunnel up the top to jump to *its

• left side, where it then turns away off screen.

I could instead chuck a splitter up there and then it wouldn't matter, I'd save a bunch of tunnels.

[light cargo]

did a major squeesh

mine on the left

so much damn rerouting holy hell

but I live for this

[kindred bobcat]

32:32?

[unkempt orchid]

at this point you're better off with priority splitters to one side

the only case in which that's a problem is when the resources get consumed by one production place such as green chips taking all the copper and you'd never have this problem with this many belts in parallel anyway

[gray meteor]

@light cargoplease use the correct channel

[light cargo]

Is this not the correct one?

oh, #blueprint-designing

Well, is this kind of not more related to it being specifically a balancer? Asking for clarification

[gray meteor]

i mean this is a player made thread

[light cargo]

Well I'd take it up with IronCart in that case

[wanton talon]

@gray meteor it's a thread about balancers, anyone can use it

same thing goes for the sushi thread

@light cargo the image on the left only needs one underground, so you'd be changing the one underground out for a splitter

if both belts have the same expected throughout I think it's fine

there might be some weird stuff when you only have some of the inputs full and some not

yeah I think if you only have one of those lines being used it would mess it up

[gray meteor]

@wanton talon ok so

The conversations should remain in their respective channels, even if anyone is able to use it

[wanton talon]

you're telling me the guy talking about balancer internals shouldn't use the thread dedicated to balancers

[kindred bobcat]

@trail holly I should be able to start work tomorrow or after-morrow

[trail holly]

This is the correct channel...

This is coming from the guy who posted irrelevant content just a few hours ago...

[trail holly]

sounds good!

[trail holly]

Do you do this manually or use any computer assistance?

[light cargo]

Manually

But in editor mode, much faster

[trail holly]

well yeah

I would hope in editor mode lol

[trail holly]

I have the best "balancer"

[kindred bobcat]

@trail holly the setup is alive

[trail holly]

What setup

[kindred bobcat]

My computer setup

Unfortunately internet is still being a lil bitch

[trail holly]

yeee awesome

self plug do you wanna watch me try to finish death world marathon in one sitting?

[kindred bobcat]

Andddd, now my display cables aren’t working

[trail holly]

nooo

that means you can't watch me on your big monitor

[kindred bobcat]

Ayy, I got it working

@trail holly

[trail holly]

Are those curved?

[kindred bobcat]

yes

[trail holly]

Any updates @kindred bobcat LOL

[kindred bobcat]

Yes

Nothing that I’m gonna post just yet

But I’ve gotten some ideas down

Before writing anything I need to actually solve it lol

[river rapids]

whats the point of a balancer? to make sorting items on a x wide belt easier?

[trail holly]

A lot of the time you just need a TU thing, which is something that distributes items to belts so that if one backs up it's redirected to some other non-backed-up outputs

A balancer does something similar but not equivalent in that it distributes stuff evenly among the outputs

Balancers are often used in unloading from a train, since they take equally from all inputs and thus you don't end up with awkward situations where you're only getting 2 items a second because all but one chest unloaded first

[trail holly]

Unfinished but it's something

Mathematical look at balancers

[untold cypress]

why make balancer when can install belt balancer?

[wanton talon]

mod lag, vanilla fun

[quiet pivot]

Yes belt balancer mod very hungry

[cloud pivot]

question, how does a 32-32 balancer use so few splitters? lol

[wanton talon]

because that's a 24-24 balancer

and it's probably not TU

[rigid estuary]

Hey guys, I'm stuck trying to get a 4:6 balancer blueprint, the one I found doesn't balance correctly, anyone have a good one I could have?

[eternal ferry]

Blueprint String

Blueprint 1

[wanton talon]

@rigid estuary

[rigid estuary]

Thank you for the help

[untold cypress]

why do big balancer when can use funny yellow box?

[knotty forum]

not everyone wants to play with mods

especially ones that don't scale well when you use 1000 of these balancers

[trail holly]

Balancers are fun 😄

Also overrated so you often don't need them

[celest pagoda]

TU 2-1 Balancer?

[knotty forum]

no

[wanton talon]

I mean technically it is

just not a great one lmao

[celest pagoda]

Ill take it

[knotty forum]

fits in 6x5 space

[wanton talon]

I mean