price increase

[near nymph]

Now he's not going to at all

[north cargo]

Oh well, that's their loss

[near nymph]

I used to find the game fun

[orchid dagger]

I think it is quite normal to enjoy a game less after spending 1000 hours in it

[north cargo]

Until the average annual sales decreases, there's no good reason for Wube to drop the price

Maybe after the expansion releases, it might make sense to drop the price 🤔

[orchid dagger]

That was over 6 months ago that it was £21

[near nymph]

No one is checking the price everyday

I only found out like 15 mins ago

When my friend told me that he wasn't going to get it

[north cargo]

The game was $30 for a good long while, can't say there wasn't time

[pallid granite]

i feel like there never would have been this much discussion on this topic if a thread hadn't been made for it

[north cargo]

It would have just kept spamming the normal channels

[orchid dagger]

No but, I don't see what relevance the £21 has when it increased to £25 in July, solely due to USD-GBP exchange rates

[sharp thunder]

Idk why people are crying over $5

Just like skip going to Starbucks for a day or something

[near nymph]

Because everything is going up in price but no one is earning more

So it's just one kick in the balls after another

[orchid dagger]

Also you can buy it for £28.31 on factorio.com right now

[near nymph]

Or the forbidden G2A

[vagrant heath]

they want to keep their salary the same, that's why they increased the price of the game

[orchid dagger]

Don't do that

[near nymph]

IK

[pallid granite]

wait i never confirmed.. is it $35 on the switch currently

[near nymph]

I know what it is and what it does

[orchid dagger]

Everything is going up in price, so wube feel like they need to earn more, and they have the power to make it so, so they did

[pallid granite]

is labor going up in price

[orchid dagger]

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Nintendo-Switch-download-software/Factorio-2265209.html you can check here

£26 currently

[near nymph]

Factorio on the Switch is £26

Still the old price

[orchid dagger]

But it will be increasing on the switch soon, yes

[near nymph]

Well there goes that idea

I have the demo on my Switch

[orchid dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/10mf7ry/seems_like_steam_and_factorio_website_were_the/j62vqck/

[near nymph]

Guess I won't be getting it on there

I've not known of another game to increase its price to account for inflation

[north cargo]

All the AAA games are $70 now

It's not Wubes fault that socioeconomics are what they are

[sharp thunder]

And even then they have microtransactions and stuff

[mystic zephyr]

battlepass!
skins!
new battlepass!
new skins!

[sharp thunder]

Wube doesn't make a cent from you after you buy the game in full

[proud apex]

what about the factorio nft

[sharp thunder]

It is unfortunate that income isn't keeping up with inflation

[sharp thunder]

the what

[mystic zephyr]

[orchid dagger]

Haven't you read FFF 369?

[merry herald]

not videogames

[orchid dagger]

Food, rent, expenses

Things that people who work at wube spend money on

[near nymph]

The only games I’ve seen that high are Nintendo Switch games

[merry herald]

no other game increases their price like this

[orchid dagger]

That's not the point

[merry herald]

not even for food and stuff

[north cargo]

Don't expect logic from this argument

[orchid dagger]

Kovarex already said that he'd like them to though

Yes, this is an unusual move

[merry herald]

cuz he has very strange and bizarre ideas and opinions

[near nymph]

I bet they didn't increase the wages of the workers

[orchid dagger]

That's not a very good argument

[near nymph]

It's a very good argument

That's the reason they increased it

[sharp thunder]

What, you think Kovarex is going to keep all the extra $5s to himself?

[merry herald]

its really not as we have no idea if the did or not

[near nymph]

For inflation so they can pay their employees, right?

[merry herald]

wouldnt surprise me but we dont know

[near nymph]

Well, yea, we don't know

[orchid dagger]

Yes. If you know that they weren't increasing employee salaries, it would be a good argument. But you don't so it is nonsensical.

[mystic zephyr]

literally throwing "Woe are the employee slaves that they wont forward this extra $5 on to

[near nymph]

What?

I can't read that

[mystic zephyr]

assuming the worst of Wube that its all going directly in the top guys pocket

"they are screwing us, AND their employee's over with this!"

when you literally have no information about what exactly their money goes to

[near nymph]

It's an assumption

[night forge]

I just hope Klonan gets a raise

[near nymph]

But yea, innocent until proven guilty

[merry herald]

hes the dude that said that statutory rape is just woke bullshit

[near nymph]

Bruh

[orchid dagger]

and you know what happens when you assume things

[near nymph]

Yes

[merry herald]

the problem with them raising the cost is that its very anti consumer

[near nymph]

Yea, and the only people I see that are defending it are the consumers that already have it

[merry herald]

and if they actually were hurting for cash the could do a sale

[jagged helm]

or simply say they were hurting for cash when increasing the price

(which is not the argument they made)

[orchid dagger]

Maybe they aren't hurting for cash 👀

[merry herald]

then that means the increase was completely pointless and only hurts the customer

and if they were a sale would be far more effective and pro consumer

[jagged helm]

sales lower the average price, though; in the long run, it's a negative for the game

unfortunately steam encourages sales

[merry herald]

no and in fact with their upcoming dlc I would imagine it would only increase the potential buyers for it

[jagged helm]

the DLC will be more or less standalone, though, right?

[merry herald]

its unfortunate to want more people to have access to more affordable games?

[jagged helm]

why not just keep the game at the sale price all the time?

[merry herald]

its a dlc you still will need the game

[north cargo]

They can't make more games if they can't afford to stay in business

[merry herald]

they can afford

[north cargo]

Oh, I wasn't aware you are Wube's accountant

[orchid dagger]

and fortune teller

[north cargo]

And financial advisor

[mystic zephyr]

and wife

[north cargo]

Roommates barista

[merry herald]

nice strawman

[north cargo]

No argument = no straw man

[merry herald]

i never claimed to be their accountant

im just using basic logic

[north cargo]

You boldly state they can afford to keep the price the same, with no data to back it up

[night forge]

Given they doubled their staff to make the expansion and want to spend all necessary time to make it perfect, it seems reasonable they want to insure they have adequate cash reserves for the future

[royal furnace]

People, lets not be rude to each other here please and thank you

[mystic zephyr]

are you another indy game dev that employ's similar quantity of people, in similar cost of living, putting in similar work to maintain and produce DLC?

[jagged helm]

I think what rubs a lot of people the wrong way (myself included) is that the primary reason Wube gave for the price increase was inflation, rather than specifically making arguments about needing more cash to make sure the expansion happens

[orchid dagger]

Why is inflation a bad reason?

[sharp thunder]

They think the current value of money does not reflect the value of their game

[jagged helm]

because it's been being used by a bunch of companies over the past year or so to justify massive price increases (much more than inflation)

[merry herald]

because it sets a bad precedent for the game industry. I pray other companies dont follow

[sharp thunder]

If you think the current price does not reflect the value of their game, then don't buy it. Nobody's forcing you to

[merry herald]

i bought it already

not everyone is so selfish that they only care about things that affect them

[sharp thunder]

Let's say the value of the USD halves in a decade, should video games stay at $60 then or be at $120?

I think the problem here is that people's incomes are lagging behind inflation

[jagged helm]

that is one of the problems, yes

[near nymph]

Literally making the game more and more out of peoples reach

[merry herald]

new games cost more, its totally different for a game thats already released to be given a price increase

[sharp thunder]

Yeah I guess that's fair

[thorny saffron]

Wube doesn't release a new game every 2 years

[merry herald]

thats irrelevent

[orchid dagger]

I do think if the value of USD halves in 6 months, many already-released games would also increase/double their prices. The question then becomes, is that ok? And if so, where's the dividing line?

[sharp thunder]

This and Wube doesn't have a billion microtransactions and battlepasses

[merry herald]

not ok

[orchid dagger]

Really?

[sharp thunder]

Why not?

[orchid dagger]

What about if it goes down by 90% in a week?

[thorny saffron]

Hmmm, maybe they should have done that instead. Don't just extract $5 from anyone new, get it from anyone that plays

[sharp thunder]

I would actually uninstall the game

[merry herald]

dude thats never going to happen if something like that happens gaming would be such i tiny tiny concern

[orchid dagger]

for sure

[sharp thunder]

Unlock advanced oil processing early for $5

Unlock construction robots early for $10

[mystic zephyr]

[orchid dagger]

Although the game developers would still be concerned about their income

[merry herald]

as is the rest of the world. Believe it or not, not very many of peoples incomes scale with inflation

[sharp thunder]

I think the free market will reach a balance. Games that don't charge enough will go out of business and games that charge too much will have no players.

[orchid dagger]

Sure they do, they just lag a bit right?

[sharp thunder]

There's also people doing market research on how to set the price to maximize the profit

[merry herald]

well if we look back we can see how much houses and college and all that is now much larger percent compared to our income than 50 years ago

[thorny saffron]

So anyway, how many more weeks is this thread gonna be revived for?

[merry herald]

will never end

maybe when the dlc comes people will be destracted

[thorny saffron]

You are making an excellent argument for me to close it right now

[merry herald]

dont

its only finally getting to an actual discussion rather then petty insults

[mystic zephyr]

dont, then itll overflow back into regular chat and we'll rip our eyes out

[thorny saffron]

I am still mostly seeing the same stuff over and over again

[vagrant heath]

oh god not EA

[merry herald]

still better here than in the main chat

[royal furnace]

The topic needs to end eventually. I think there is only so much to bee discussed about the price increase.

[bronze kelp]

i feel like people keep missing the reason why big AAA companies aren't increasing their prices. 1. the games are already 60-70$, 2. most of the games have microtransactions, 3. some have paid DLCs that are between 20-50$

[merry herald]

why does it need to end?

[vagrant heath]

Most of the things related to the price increase have been combated with already made argument so yeah.

[royal furnace]

Because we don't really feel like moderating a topic that keeps going around in circles, more than #more-offtopic does anyway

[mystic zephyr]

and their games are already buggy godawful mess, only to be re-released 2 years later with a skin change and minor differences

[merry herald]

then hire more mods i guess?

im sure someone is willing

[vagrant heath]

[mystic zephyr]

"fuck that shit"
me thinking of having to mod us assholes, including myself

[merry herald]

i would never want to be a mod myself

personally its agaisnt my ethics

[mystic zephyr]

[royal furnace]

It's not about the number of moderators but the fact it isn't healthy for a community to go around in circles about a topic like this. Especially when people bring increasily more unrelated topics in to fuel what little discussion there is.

[vagrant heath]

Soon enough someone might just aswell drop uranium into the fire

[bronze kelp]

something something the factory must grow

[merry herald]

well its your opinion that its unrelated

[royal furnace]

That's fine, nobody is asking you to be

[merry herald]

good i wasnt implying thet i was

[royal furnace]

It is my opinion and the opinion of other moderators that we don't want this topic to go on forever. Unless there are new moderators with differing opinions then eventually this is likely what will end up happening

And given we're staffed well enough right now, we're unlikely to onboard more moderators.

[old nova]

Slow-mode is now on so people have to think a bit more about what they say in the meantime

[north cargo]

If you attempt to censor the topic entirely, a public announcement would be necessary, otherwise it will just go back to popping up in random channels all over again

[royal furnace]

@proud apex, being immature like that is not a good idea.

[left lintel]

Would it be bad to leave this channel unmoderated? People will probably stop talking here if they keep getting roasted for example

[mystic zephyr]

being unmoderated can come back to bite them being a partnered discord IIRC

[royal furnace]

No, because people should know better than to be rude to each other anyway, but leaving a channel unmoderated for stuff like that often givens people the excuse to do it in other channels as well. It's how you end up with a toxic community

[left lintel]

damn I forgot this place was partnered they actually have standards they need to keep

[royal furnace]

We have standards because we want to be a friendly place for people to interact. Having or not having the Partner CoC isn't an excuse to make or not to make a nice community.

[sharp thunder]

Slowmode is enabled

Good job guys 👍

[hearty abyss]

I don't know whether you're being serious or sarcastic but I will say remember the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance and let's move on

[merry herald]

thats just a theory

[hearty abyss]

your immune system kills cancer on a regular basis

we really need a better way of handling meta-discussion

[merry herald]

ok?

[dense hull]

I hope you know that evolution is "just a theory"

[left lintel]

I am trying so hard not to say "a game theory" right now

clearly not hard enough lol

[north cargo]

Gravity, just a theory

[merry herald]

i know, and by the way i never said i didnt agree with it either

[dense hull]

I think it was easily construed from how you said just a theory

[merry herald]

nope not the case

[north cargo]

So just selectively disrespectful and obstinate then, lol

[hearty abyss]

please remember the difference between characterizing a person and their actions....