Prancer lines discussion

[jagged gate]

im in suchhhhhhhhhhh a good flow atm

[leaden sable]

😔

[jagged gate]

but basically

the secxret is nosemanuals

and wheelie flicks

[leaden sable]

!?

wtf is a wheelie flick

[jagged gate]

small wheelie and then flick front down so you go over the edge

[upbeat sage]

as if the game isnt hard enough already rn you come with nosemannys and wheelie flicks 😄

[jagged gate]

bro the nosemanuals are 100% consistant

[leaden sable]

so i dont have to change my line

in split 1

[jagged gate]

hitting a big bump

jump very early

[leaden sable]

you can stack it 🔥

[jagged gate]

and at the top nose manual

you can do this on almost every jump up untill the S turn

[leaden sable]

i think ive been doing that kinda anyway

[jagged gate]

yeah

i did it in the past a bit

but didnt think much of it

but i was like lemme try again

[leaden sable]

does it kinda look like this

[jagged gate]

its insane for s2

y

[leaden sable]

first 2 jumps

just more exagerated maybe

[leaden sable]

what the jump actually in s2 or the ones before

[jagged gate]

no but

the berm to berm

if u do a nose manual trick kinda

u can gain +4 speed in the berm

xd

it resets after

[leaden sable]

ooo

[jagged gate]

but youre faster at the berm

i never got faster than 54 at the jump after

[leaden sable]

i do find i end up doing the complete opposite in berms LOL

[jagged gate]

but i have gotten 68 in the berm xd

[leaden sable]

!?

i need to try this

[leaden sable]

my front wheel tends to float around

[jagged gate]

ill send the clip of my failed sub 2 soon

[pure furnace]

This pains me

So damn close

[jagged gate]

yeyteye

and badddddddd end

[pure furnace]

It's going to happen

You miss the marker on the final jump?

[leaden sable]

im still on the 2:05 😭

[pure furnace]

I miss that one more than I should

Same bro

Same

[leaden sable]

my pace is past that tho

i just havnt actually done a run

[pure furnace]

Mine is consistently 2:06-2:07

[jagged gate]

nah in the first S turn

my pace is currently always sub or 00

[pure furnace]

That's crazy

[leaden sable]

i dont understand how you do the thing in the berms

i gotta see a clip really

[jagged gate]

imma try a lil bit more cuz im in suchhhhh a good flow

ill send in 10min or so

[leaden sable]

valid

get that sub 2

[jagged gate]

man

my end is so trash

[leaden sable]

imma just try again tmrw

some point

gonna go for a ride in the morning so

[jagged gate]

we getting there

fkkkk

-0.5 on split before last S turn

[pure furnace]

End straight always messes me up

After the 3 turns

[jagged gate]

same

[pure furnace]

Is steering slightly nerfed if you're holding down on the right joystick or am I going crazy?

[jagged gate]

aaaaaaaaaa

i get on sub 2 pace runs every attempt till last s turn ish

xd

[pure furnace]

😭

So close

[jagged gate]

fkkkkkkkkkkkk

[pure furnace]

Soooo close 😳

[jagged gate]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

another -0.8 at same split

[pure furnace]

Sounds like the consistency is there

Last bit is such a make or break section

[jagged gate]

yeyeye

end is imppppppppp

[pure furnace]

You doing ducks tactic for the start?

[jagged gate]

y

plus a bit of my own

[pure furnace]

Nice

I've stopped playing now

I've become washed

Definitely improved today though

[jagged gate]

enough for today

[golden charm]

i was on for a 1min 58/59 earlier then i missed the gate on the last double…

[jagged gate]

xdddddd

gogogo

im done for today

my hands hurt from playing controller games all day xd

[golden charm]

same and from actually doing mtb for about 10 hours earlier in the day i’m DEAD

[jagged gate]

xdd

fair man fair

i had so many low 59 runs fail at the last S turn

that entry is so insanely terrible at that speed xd

[golden charm]

i know i just hop then lean but the turn never happens and i just slide all the way to the other side of the map xd

[jagged gate]

yuppppppppppppp

[leaden sable]

@jagged gate can you send nose manual thingy

[jagged gate]

ah yeye

keep in mind

the run im gonna send isnt perfect

i did some sections wrong

found b etetr ways to do em now

youll see dw

https://youtu.be/2up7P0PRpew

[leaden sable]

huh

interesting

how does that gain you so much speed

[jagged gate]

ig u just land further

with a low trajectory

[gaunt plover]

fuck this game is so frustrating lol

im #2 or #3 on every trail now.....always behind Tails and Sutin. Problem is I'm like, several seconds behind Tails...and i dont understand how to make up several seconds anywhere. Before the leaderboard wipe, I was also 2nd or 3rd on every trail...to Tails. I'm close to just giving up lmao

[golden charm]

im ngl i havnt hunted any other race than prancer since the lb wipes beacsue people keep finding ways to get more time every day

[gaunt plover]

where are you guys making up a whole second in s3 on Prancer lol

i dont get it at all i feel like ive tried everything

[golden charm]

copy this its pretty much just how you do it just not perfect

[little river]

The second S turn looks so fucking good in that video. Holy

[leaden sable]

what time you get on prancer?

[median scarab]

Well shit yous cooked more than I thought, don't even know if I want to try and get close to that. Don't really enjoy this track so far, finding it a bit boring in comparison to the proto map ones

[jagged gate]

OMFG

I DID IT

sub 2

[upbeat sage]

Maniac

GG

[jagged gate]

and it was far from perfect as well xd

[upbeat sage]

I havent played at all this weekend. Prob waiting for next proto. Current physics are rather discouraging imho...

[jagged gate]

honestly its fine once you figure it out

but

only on prancer

acro is annoying af

lots of flat landings there

[flat kiln]

Yeah didnt rly make acro in mind with racing

[jagged gate]

nono dont get me wrong

acro is amazing

but with the slowdown its ass

[flat kiln]

Yeah even then the fact its riddled with skinnies and has a lengthy flow section

[jagged gate]

cuz there are parts where its fully random if u get it or not

[flat kiln]

The current track im working on next to acro's more race friendly

[jagged gate]

yeah the skinny is quite tough

but you get a feeling for it after a bit

its not fully hold pedalling level yet for me

[upbeat sage]

Love the first part of it so far though! Cant wait to see it done!

[jagged gate]

but i can get quite fast

same!

[flat kiln]

Was working on it earlier

Its got a good amount more tech and some flow and after that itll be like a more singletracky fast paced kind of thing with some fast techy sections

[jagged gate]

noice

hyped already

[flat kiln]

The start stays around 40km/h on normal runs but i wanted to do the whole highway section thing

[jagged gate]

yeyeye

pls force scrubs

would be so sick to have to scrub like in the real leogang

[flat kiln]

Yeah i remember initially using leo as reference but man

The relief of this part of the map doesnt give it justice

Although the jumps rn will probably need a bit of scrubs if you start getting faster

Also found a gap

[jagged gate]

noice

[flat kiln]

Idk i think theres a new build soon and that trail will be updated

[jagged gate]

amazing to hear

what you've done already is super sick so cant wait

[upbeat sage]

Honestly i cant wait for a good trail up in the mountain! Also cant wait for the first proper flowy jump line! Suoer excited for that!

[jagged gate]

ngl

prancer might have a higher skill gap than fika

xd

its insane how far you can push this

[flat kiln]

by proper flowy jump line what do you mean

what do you wanna see

[jagged gate]

ig he means some jumps that dont necessarily have a huge speed and are quite okay to clear

bcs man the end of acro is quite hard to clear sometimes ngl

[flat kiln]

yeah its been

changed

the traction stuff

idk

[upbeat sage]

I just like high speeds and big jumps 😂

[jagged gate]

its fine but

1 mistake and you are DONE

https://youtu.be/BznI27XbyPw

[flat kiln]

yeah its kind of unfortunate because ive tried different things and like most of the flow stuff even if i make it really easy to case it and pick up speed, the more chances the trail gives to the player the less flowy it feels cause the landings wont be totally on point and some shit

[jagged gate]

yeah its a hard balance

[flat kiln]

what i found makes the easiest flow trails is stuff where you dont need to bunny hop at all and that you are always rolling over 60

cause then the player has actually no way to change their distance of landing in a consequential way

which is kind of counter intuitive to real life

but technically thatd make for the easiest jumps

[jagged gate]

yeah fair

[flat kiln]

like that right side flow trail i made i thought was super easy at first and then i realized everyone that tried it found it really hard

and so i had to nerf it like an incredible amount

theres a part of me that really really really really wants to scrap that trail entirely

[upbeat sage]

Cant wait for the first trail building stream ngl. Would love to see how you approach creating the tracks!

[jagged gate]

same

[flat kiln]

its for sure nothing crazy

[jagged gate]

sure but would still be cool to see the progress etc

process*

[flat kiln]

what has for me made trail makers in the past in descenders like note worthy were their personality in making the stuff

[upbeat sage]

Yup

[flat kiln]

like linus currently you can tell linus made it

or i remember a while ago kamikazze

[jagged gate]

true his stuff is unique

[flat kiln]

or spe even

and i have had my own style as well and thats why im here

after like 300hrs of trail making knowledge in unity and like some knowledge on game making you get to a point where its kind of about taste

its a really weird niche

im happy to stream it

[flat kiln]

my fav map maker atm

it doesnt try to be super dialed with the flow stuff or too forgiving and it feels raw and the tech sections are fucking nuts

[jagged gate]

yeah his tech is rlly cool

[upbeat sage]

Is carving trails out of the mountain in unity kind of like using different brushes on a mesh in blender?

[flat kiln]

its like 3d sculpting basically

the difference between normal 3d sculpting and this is that youre limited in terms of resolution

so its a challenge of everything not being too choppy

[upbeat sage]

If the detail in blender is too rough you can use dynotopo, which breaks down the triangles into smaller ones. Isnt that possible unity too?

[flat kiln]

not really because theres a lot of stuff happening with said terrain that needs to be calculated and also for the simple reason that unity has a lot of restrictions because lowkey they dont pay a lot of attention to their terrain tools for this niche in particular

and to be honest as well, if we did have dynamic topology it would be a bit funky for me to make trails and id get caught in details i dont want to get caught into

[upbeat sage]

Hahaha fair enough

[flat kiln]

the closest we have to that is that the resolution LOD's itself but thats been that way for 9 years now so whatever

[upbeat sage]

Absolutely no clue how unity works tbh, even in blender im a noob just really intersted in how things work 😄

[pure furnace]

Broooooo

Absolutely mental

[jagged gate]

[pure furnace]

Congrats

[jagged gate]

thxhaha

[upbeat sage]

@little river pls nerf tails

[jagged gate]

😸

[pure furnace]

Tails needs patched

[upbeat sage]

Way too op

[jagged gate]

if(record.user.name === "tails"){
  record.time += 5000 // ms
}```

[upbeat sage]

Perfect

😂

[jagged gate]

that should do the trick

[upbeat sage]

I mean no idea, me no know code lol 😂

[jagged gate]

just add a 5sec penalty to every pb i get

gg

[upbeat sage]

You could probably present absolut horrendous code gibberish to me and i would be like yep looks good go ahead sir

😂

Already proud as fuck that i got my printer.cfg under control 😂

[pure furnace]

Still would be faster than me 😂

[urban bloom]

got a 2.09

then ruined a -2.3 after on the 2nd S bends --_--

[jagged gate]

yeah theyre hard

[pure furnace]

The 2nd part of the flow trail is really fun

After the wooden feature and you drop in again

[soft acorn]

what is your berm snapping on? I dont get how you dont lean into the berms at high speed 🤯

[jagged gate]

0.58

i switch between 0.58 and 0.73

but that run was 0.58 i think

[leaden sable]

i cant for the life of me go green on s1 against my time now

idk how i was doing the otherday 😭

[upbeat sage]

I think you chose a better line back then

[leaden sable]

im doing the exact same line

[upbeat sage]

If it would be the exact same line you would be +-0.000

I know how it feels though 😂 can be quite frustrating until it clicks again somehow and you are green again 😄

Patience :)

You got this. Trust

[leaden sable]

ill just race against tail's time

makes me feel better

i can go green in s1

until i get to s3

[jagged gate]

hahahha

my s1 was okay but def not grea

t

if you can improve somewhere its def in the start

[leaden sable]

im kinda baffled how i got 0.6 faster than what you did in your run tho

😭

im just tryna learn s3 now but i keep losing loads of time somehow

corner before lily pad i lose like 10 speed to you somehow

[jagged gate]

wow then u have it rlly bad

bcs my turn there wasnt that great either

you can get 62 speed at the lillypad

but you need great exit speed from the S turn tho

[leaden sable]

mines not for from yours tho out of s turns

[jagged gate]

hmmm weird

what i do before the jump to the corner is just lean

[pure furnace]

Was that before tails got his new best time?

[leaden sable]

-0.8

to sutin

[leaden sable]

hm

ill keep messing around with it ig

but im literally going like 54 into lily pad

[pure furnace]

have you tried gapping from the ramp into the corner, then hopping again on the bump after the corner? I can get 60-62 into the lilly pad that way

[leaden sable]

yeah i do that

but i think i lose loads of speed from ramp to corner

[pure furnace]

I land about 55 from the ramp

That's weird you lose so much speed

[jagged gate]

wtf

okay the specific line is like come from the right side

then go left so you land pretty high

and lean before taking off

so you rlly land parallel with the ground there

[leaden sable]

holy moly

thanks for the help

i got track failed going into first booter

[pure furnace]

sick

how much speed did you get this time for the lilly pad?

[leaden sable]

60

[pure furnace]

sick

[leaden sable]

🔥

came out of s turn at like 56 tho too so that was probably why i gained on tails

[jagged gate]

idk the exit speed

[pure furnace]

56 exit speed is very high

[jagged gate]

only the right corner speed

i think i had 53/54

[leaden sable]

yeah you did

[pure furnace]

if i get 50 exit speed im happy

[jagged gate]

is that compared to me or?

[leaden sable]

yeah

so basically i gotta stay better in s1

and eventually ill get down the track!

[pure furnace]

which part is messing you up currently?

[jagged gate]

the start is also the "easiest" part

xd

[pure furnace]

true

[jagged gate]

from split3 onwards its much harder to keep the correct speeds

[leaden sable]

yeah fs

[leaden sable]

still s3 tbf

needs more practice

[pure furnace]

fair

[leaden sable]

s2 also i just get really bad sometimes its weird

s2 is strange now with the goofy nose manual stuff

😭

for me

[pure furnace]

final s-turns and straight is by far the hardest for me

[leaden sable]

also need to get that down better

[leaden sable]

yeah same

[pure furnace]

Its possible to get 70 on the final straight, and land the last jump into 65 but its so damn hard to do

[pure furnace]

what is the nose manual stuff? I dont think ive done it

not knowingly anyways

[leaden sable]

between the two berms

try nose manual kinda

jump nose manual idk

but you get hella speed

[pure furnace]

the s-turn?

[leaden sable]

the two berms in s2

wonder if it works in s turn

[pure furnace]

I'll give it a try next time I play

[leaden sable]

@jagged gate have you tried it

[jagged gate]

any low jump

[leaden sable]

i see

[jagged gate]

jump early and nose manual at the top

like push up with left stick

[pure furnace]

oh yeah i do that

[jagged gate]

i dont do it on booters tho

doesnt work as well on those

[pure furnace]

what you do on booters?

I do it on booters but get inconsistent results

[leaden sable]

i still think boosting 1st booter is the play

if you get far enough on the yellow

its really steep landing

[pure furnace]

sometimes I just push forward on the lip but idk if its very good

[jagged gate]

on the 1st i dont jump and nose push

on the 2nd depending on the speed i either do nothing

or a little scrub

[pure furnace]

I do this on second if i have 68 speedd

[jagged gate]

yeah fair

but you can be too fast for it kinda

[pure furnace]

66 also works i think

for sure

[jagged gate]

yeye

but u can get 70+

then i scrub a tiny bit

[pure furnace]

damnn I never reached 70 I always lose more than I should in the corner

I can land with 78 before the corner but typically lose 10+ speed

I almost never play with sound on so I don't know when i'm losing traction

[leaden sable]

what speed are you guys landing first booter with

[pure furnace]

probably a massive nerf playing this way

[leaden sable]

or going off the drop after first booter

[pure furnace]

I think 48-50 if im lucky

I can reach 60 if im lucky before the drop

[jagged gate]

idk

[pure furnace]

but tails is probbaly going wayyy faster

[jagged gate]

in the corner after i get 60/63

which is good

[pure furnace]

58 is pretty typical for me before the drop

60-63 is very nice

[jagged gate]

at the drop itself its 55/58

but like in the corner u can get 60+

[pure furnace]

I thought you were getting 63 for the drop haha

that would be crazy

new update we probably will be

[jagged gate]

nah nah

i get like 76/82 at the end of the straight after the drop

best i got was 83

which was mental

[pure furnace]

83 💀

80 is my max but I lose all of it in the corner

[jagged gate]

yeye dw

same

[pure furnace]

I have to land very left which squares me up poorly for the corner

if I want those high speeds

[jagged gate]

i land pretty far right

and then cut inside

to the marker

[pure furnace]

I usually get around 72 If i aim for about there

I just realized how much i played this track with how well I know all the speeds for the different sections 😂

[jagged gate]

hahaha same

[leaden sable]

okay well my s2 is now consistenly equal to tails

and s1 faster

so i really need to stop thinking about these ones

😭

its an addiction

idc about the rest of the track atp

[jagged gate]

you should

xd

[leaden sable]

i just clocked

where are you getting 80s from wth

im getting like mid 70s

[jagged gate]

yeah 80`s is rlly getting it perfect

its rare

for me usually its high 70s

[leaden sable]

not even mid

its low

idk

[pure furnace]

What speed are you getting before prehopping the wooden drop before?

[jagged gate]

yeah u have to jump everything xd

and land smooth

[gaunt plover]

2:04.862

[gaunt plover]

WTF insane run

[jagged gate]

thx man!

[gaunt plover]

how are you exiting that first corner in S3 at 55+ km/h? i do the little jump into the corner and still the best exit speed i've had from there was 51 lol

and i enter that corner at the same speed as you

are you bunnyhopping, like leaning back and then forwards after jumping there, or are you just giving it a quick hop?

[leaden sable]

oh i think i accidently beat that

hardly

i was kinda just tryna practice bottom earlier so just left the top section to be bad

the inconsistent slow downs is really making me not wanna get a good time

[gaunt plover]

lol are you Leon?

[leaden sable]

yeah

[gaunt plover]

fuck you

lol

[leaden sable]

😭

ill get a way better time soon

[gaunt plover]

i just checked and got bumped by you lmaoo i worked so hard for that

[pure furnace]

I'm never getting third place again hahah

[leaden sable]

i was +0.5 to tails at end of s4 earlier

then died

but

[gaunt plover]

oh i feel the inconsistent slowdowns for sure...it feels completely random sometimes. I barely want to ride Acro because of it, nothing worse than a great run and then getting slowed down for no reason in the last split

[leaden sable]

i havnt even tried acro icl

[pure furnace]

I don't race acro

[leaden sable]

yeah tried racing it

[pure furnace]

I pretty much only race greens and blues because I find those most fun to race

[jagged gate]

black magic

nah but

the berm to berm is rlly important

ita a very specific angle

to get good speed

[leaden sable]

i just realised you can lean into checkpoints

in the air

[median scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/@Linus_1005 Don't know the descenders scene much is this who you're referring to? POV's of his maps look super cool. Def feels like they would be very suited to cranked

[jagged gate]

yes hes talking about that linus

he has very good maps

[flat kiln]

His maps are dope yeah

[median scarab]

feel like actual trails unlike the couple of descenders maps i played and couldnt get into

[jagged gate]

yup

exactly

his tech especially

[flat kiln]

Yeah for sure

[median scarab]

yeah think i literally have like 1hr of playtime in the game because i just didnt like the vibe of the main maps

[flat kiln]

You can tell he takes the time to make the tech sturf

[upbeat sage]

i can definitely see the possibilities right now, the future is bright....

this game will look amazing one day!

[jagged gate]

for suuuuuuuuuuuuuure

[median scarab]

wonder if he's tried out cranked yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTAPtfS3XZo

watching pov descenders for the first time i honestly don't get how people keep comparing the two the physics look completely different

[jagged gate]

it just looks a tad similar

graphics wie

wise

[pure furnace]

Such a cool looking trail

[jagged gate]

why is the last S turn entry so difficult omfg

i will never get consistant at it xd

[little river]

blame antgrass

[jagged gate]

man some sections are supe rhard now with the revised markers

u have 0 room for error now xd

[soft acorn]

HE IS MORTAL AFTER ALL!

[jagged gate]

EVERYONE struggles with that corner bro xd

its so hard at speed

[soft acorn]

I feel you. I was never able to hit that line

I always brake a little

[little river]

I think I've hit it one without braking haha. I usually just brake tap a bit.

[golden charm]

that corner is like i dont mind it i justt struggle so much with the last s

[jagged gate]

that corner = the last s'

xd

[golden charm]

OHH i thought it was the first

[jagged gate]

nono

[golden charm]

im too tired to think bruh iv been spamming laps tryna get new rotations

[leaden sable]

awh what

[pure furnace]

They are catching me out all the time 😂

[flat kiln]

woah now

[leaden sable]

anybody else really struggling to get the turn before lilpad gap right

[pure furnace]

I am finding it slightly more challenging, weirdly the berm before the second booter catches me out often now

[jagged gate]

nah

works every time for me

[leaden sable]

i keep over shooting by miles

like over the berm

[jagged gate]

jaa dont jump then

[leaden sable]

im not

😭

purely rolling

[jagged gate]

go more early then

like left side

[leaden sable]

ill give it a go later again

[pure furnace]

The amount of runs I go outside the markers is crazy

[leaden sable]

same

[pure furnace]

I'll get used to it soon

[jagged gate]

was gonna make the vid today but my throat hurts so e

[leaden sable]

how much faster you think you can go on prancer?

[jagged gate]

3 sec

should be doable

for sure 1.5-2

[leaden sable]

valid

yeah sometimes i gain loads on your bottom splits

and obviously still .5 on s1

[jagged gate]

i dont understand the bottom tbh

always lose so much

[leaden sable]

neither

[jagged gate]

and dont see why

[leaden sable]

i come out of the last berm in the s turn things

with no speed

at all

most of the time

and rarely i go flying out

[leaden sable]

on which bit?

[jagged gate]

after last S turns

[leaden sable]

yeah same

[pure furnace]

This is the hardest bit for me to be consistent on

[leaden sable]

yea nah idk why i suck at it

im only getting to like 58 speed

after

[pure furnace]

58 before the lilly pad?

[leaden sable]

Yah

[median scarab]

the new track markers are tough 🥲

best time on prancer for me so far

[honest hearth]

Love this

[little river]

Turned out we didn’t love the pumping mechanic so we removed it. But it was worth the shot!

[leaden sable]

how are you guys even getting into last s turns

i really cant do it

[soft acorn]

Letting Jesus take the wheel

https://tenor.com/view/lol-jesus-take-the-wheel-jesus-driving-longdrive-gif-5328253

[leaden sable]

literally

theres a bump right when you wanna be turning into it

and i just get sent everytime

been tryna figure out a way to gap into it but idk

[urban bloom]

far left and hook in

can get it around 70 speed consistently if right

[jagged gate]

jump ans both sticks rigjt

pray

[leaden sable]

first run of the day

cut in split 1

😔

[golden charm]

ayy finaly got wr again ngl it was so messy i just got a good last split xd

[jagged gate]

nice

gg

[golden charm]

i genuenly dont wanna hunt that trail again please dont take it back xd

[golden charm]

prancer wr again

https://medal.tv/games/requested/clips/l3VcWlv58F8m8ETT1?invite=cr-MSxVbkcsNDM2NTQwNzIx&v=124

[jagged gate]

niceee

[leaden sable]

damn your whips are clean

i just do some goofy thing to squash stuff

[little river]

I love seeing some style in a WR run.

[golden charm]

i dont actually know if they doing anything just feel really nice so i do it

[little river]

They are making you look cool which is all that really matters.

[golden charm]

style in the wr runs might make the wrs look more fun to people that are thinking about getting the game (hint hint tails please do a whip or two)

[jagged gate]

problem with that is that u often land a bit diagonal and then u lose speed xd

[golden charm]

true true but its worth it in the end

[little river]

Maybe we should make it so there is like 10 degrees of leeway. Might make the skill gap a tiny bit less, but it would make it so you're not so scared to throw the bike around in the air. Just an idea.

[leaden sable]

i mean i think would make slightly more realistic too

atleast for me idk

i dont feel i lose much speed at all it i dont bring a whip back perfectly

[little river]

Yeah I don't think riders IRL are worried about landing PERFECTLY straight to maintain momentum

[leaden sable]

defo not

[pure furnace]

Might encourage srubs more too

[leaden sable]

i mean the wheels are rolling and after whips weight is almost always at the front of bike

so would really affect all that much if its mostly in

[pure furnace]

I don't find basically any speed reduction if I don't bring a whip back irl

[leaden sable]

same

[jagged gate]

same

[little river]

Something like this I'm thinking. Can tweak the exact numbers after some testing.

Green is no change in speed
Yellow is slow down cause traction loss
Red is 💀

[gaunt plover]

Oh we NEED this! I think the green could even be widened by 2.5 degrees or so on each side. As others stated, IRL i can land with my rear wheel pretty far over before i feel any speed penalty

[little river]

Sounds good. I'll widen it up a bit.

[upbeat sage]

Does this affect fakie riding though? Or is the graph the same backwards?

[little river]

So I guess this is harder than I expected. Zac and I are trying to find a solution. We'll try some things and see what happens. I would think fakie would be the same but opposite, but not sure after we have to try a new direction.

[languid night]

i guess i did another wr 🙄

[little river]

haha nice!

[crisp roost]

anyone have tips on how the heck to clear the second large jump gap on this track? Im hitting it going 50-60 km/h and dont come close to the landing.

[crisp roost]

anyone have any vids like this with a controller overlay so we can see the inputs? i am so lost on how you maintain those speeds. i dont think ive ever went over 60 on any tail in this game.

[jagged gate]

look at the pinned messages :))

its from an older build but lines are the same

[crisp roost]

ahh so its just not possible to maintain that kind of speed on the current build? that makes more sense haha.

is anyone else having issues hitting that second large jump? Am I wrong to thinking you shouldnt need to have a world record setting skills in order to clear it?

[jagged gate]

you can still keep like 70 at the takeoff

80 bedfore the berm

so you can still jeep same speed

just not everywhere

prolly just doing the part before wrong tbh

bcs 70 clears it with scrubbing even

[median scarab]

what jump are we talking about?

[jagged gate]

2nd booter

[median scarab]

ah after the big left hand corner?

I've cased it a few times but never not gotten over it

@crisp roost would be good to see a clip of what you're doing

[median scarab]

Here's a some what slow run with inputs

[median scarab]

This is obv not optimal lines in the slightest btw

[crisp roost]

legend! cheers, gonna study this and see if i can get better. Will report back!

[median scarab]

glhf

[little river]

Try and take the berm right before as smooth as possible. Nice and wide and maintain speed. Pre jump at the base of the jump and see if that helps. Sometimes you go further that way.

[crisp roost]

oh interesting, so jumping a bit early is a bit of a meta? Wasnt aware of this, haha figured timing it so i was at the last bit of the lip would = best distance.

[upbeat sage]

best distance ≠ best line 😉

[jagged gate]

its kind of like in real life preloading a jump

and yeah jumping is a thing in this game

on smooth trails more often than not jumping around a bit is faster

[soft acorn]

Think of the pre jump as “squashing” the jump

[upbeat sage]

i think some people think jumps dont work since when you are slow you only move up and down

[jagged gate]

more like preloading tbh

you get extra airtime

squashing is imo left stick forward at the top

[soft acorn]

Ehh idk - I pre jump then crouch after leaving the lip

When I think of preloading, I think actively jumping off the lip

But to each their own

lol

[jagged gate]

thats what jumping early on a lip does tho in this game xd

you come from a crouched position and standup/hop

which in real life you also do more towards the bottom

squashing would be the opposite

you dont jump at all and come from a standup position and at the top crouch

[soft acorn]

True, squashing you don’t “jump” but suck the bike up the face of the lip and push down after you leave the lip

Which is essentially the same as pre jumping in this game

Or at least that’s what I try to emulate

[jagged gate]

pretty sure it has the opposite effect xd

best way to emulate squashing in this game imo is to push left stick forward at the top

you will land a bit further but stay lower

which is what usually happens on a squash

[median scarab]

thats how i see and do it too

[soft acorn]

That’s how you know the game physics are good. When you can do different techniques and get a similar result

It’s works for me so idk 🤣

[jagged gate]

ill try all techniques b2b

see how they compare

[soft acorn]

I think the left stick forward might be a little bit faster but I don’t like how it looks/feels

Steeze is life lol

[pure furnace]

which one works best could be jump dependent

I sometimes lean forward on the lip

and other times jump early

[jagged gate]

• jumping early + leaning back: 123
• jumping early + no fw/bw + crouch at top : 118
• doing absolutely nothing: 102
• crouching the whole takeoff: 108
• leaning forward the whole time/at top: 102 (but slightly faster than nothing)
• leaning backwards the whole time: 107
• scrubbing: 98 (if done well, else 102)
• forward push + scrub: too big delta to avg (was between 95 and 120)

this was my results on booter 1

of prancer

all tested with the same speed ish, all 5 attempts to get an avg

now however

distance is not everything

i'd argue speed matters more

and thats where forward push + scrub and normal forward push where the best imo

jumping early + crouch at top was also decent speed wise but you often land to flat and lose speed bcs of it

[jagged gate]

this 100%

its also heavily dependant on the landing

bcs for example booter 1 on prancer the fastest line is to land in the offcamber on the left

and as far as possible since you will land smooth anyways

while booter 2 for example you wanna land in the sweet spot so depending on your speed you do something different

could actually be a fun video series to do on youtube

[pure furnace]

Basically conducted a science experiment hahah

pretty intresting results

[jagged gate]

jumping techniques against eachother, cornering techniques, ...

[median scarab]

yeah for sure

[pure furnace]

didn't expect jumping early and leaning back to have that much effect

[median scarab]

hard to tell what some of these are just from the text tbh

or i do anyway

[jagged gate]

i mean

its pretty self explanatory xd

[pure furnace]

I might have to play around more with different jumps to build a better understanding of jump tactics

[jagged gate]

imo on small jumps

[pure furnace]

I'm kinda doing things by feel, but haven't put enough thought into it

[jagged gate]

you want to jump early and lean forward

[pure furnace]

I should start doing that

[jagged gate]

i feel like it gives u a tiny speedboost

[pure furnace]

I usually just jump early

[jagged gate]

on bigger jumps its heavily dependant on the landing

the beginning jumps on prancer for example are perfect for early jump + forward lean

[pure furnace]

you do that on the first 3 jumps?

[jagged gate]

yes

[pure furnace]

interesting

I normally just lean forward, I'll give it a try

[jagged gate]

you keep a lot of forward momentum rather than vertical

[pure furnace]

I'm gonna load the game up again and try

[jagged gate]

actually i didnt try one

lemme test

okay nvm it makes no diff

[pure furnace]

What did you try?

[jagged gate]

crouch at top and lean forward

its the same as crouch at top

[pure furnace]

kinda intresting that they are both the same

[jagged gate]

ig the nosepush is less agressive when you are crouched?

[golden charm]

https://medal.tv/games/requested/clips/lZBvtsXuEKil2ShZb?invite=cr-MSxyckosNDM2NTQwNzIx&v=10

best iv ever got this section

[pure furnace]

90 entry speed is insane

[golden charm]

it’s making me wanna hunt prancer again…

[little river]

I think you just did 😂

[golden charm]

nooo that doesn’t count i lost like .9 last split😔

[sonic loom]

Lets goo back on first page