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thin zodiac
indigo salmon
Oh my goodness
Unless my boomerang is "underleveled" now
it has no purple or yellow jokers
hard sentinel
fire rate with boomerang just doesnt work well
thin zodiac
it has no purple or yellow jokers
oh no yeah thats just how it does
boomerang gets nothin
indigo salmon
Man
hard sentinel
I am content with my fire/acid explodarang for now
thin zodiac
I am content with my gigarang.
indigo salmon
jacked linger time & both uniques for my boomer
thin zodiac
personally I'd ditch the linger unique?
hard sentinel
im working toward the big boom
the other unique for boomerang I really just did not like
thin zodiac
it takes away the boomerang for too long IMO
hard sentinel
exactly
thin zodiac
upgrading linger time normally is fine, but doing that AND the linger unique is just a bit much.
indigo salmon
i can use other things while its out
thin zodiac
fair enough I guess but when Im chucking my boomerang its typically a high stress situation where I need to be able to reposition it multiple times.
hard sentinel
maybe if we could have another I would consider the higher linger time
indigo salmon
Corrupted snipers still give you a marker despite not aiming for you
thin zodiac
yes you can always see any snipers beam
even when they aim at teammates.
like
thats not "the marker" the marker is a thingy in a central wheel on your screen when you specifically are being aimed at
the laser is always visible
indigo salmon
see the first screenshot\
its on the left, towards that electrified skeleton
but despite not aiming at me, im still getting it
thin zodiac
oh wacky
indigo salmon
i think i physically cant run out of ammo
thin zodiac
I assure you, you can. just. keep firing into the sky hitting nothing.
unless your regeneration literally outpaces your firerate
indigo salmon
My fire rate at its current rate is low enough that after the 2nd clip i regen to full
indigo salmon
What im sitting at ATP
prolly gonna bump either clip size reload speed
or that 1 extra draw speed
thin zodiac
size is my reccomendation.
also finish off your draw speed. never know when you might need a quick scope. you've got the points to do it anyways.
indigo salmon
for sure
alright we're up to 10 shots a reload
THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 9
i get 9 bullets per 10 seconds
thin zodiac
also remember, there WILL be downtime.
indigo salmon
or however long lazy is
thin zodiac
so its fine to slightly eclipse your lazy.
indigo salmon
yeah
thin zodiac
rad
but yeah a lazy sniper build. oooh.
seriously I just. like. gimme 2 loadout slots for my gunslinger.
I beg.
cause I dont wanna have to remember what in gods name my build is every time I want to use a different weapon
one of those things that Im not quite sure why it isnt in the game, but it really should be.
oh well. EA and all that.
indigo salmon
holy shit a prydwyn
thin zodiac
interesting things
indigo salmon
very cool stuff
if/when we get a new element i hope its ice
Slows and terrain manipulation
Think of the Bhops...
indigo salmon
gonna be so real
Re-skin thrower and it would still be quite different
and then i'd also feel like frozone
hard sentinel
Slows and terrain manipulation
thin zodiac
Re-skin thrower and it would still be quite different
literally just what I want.
indigo salmon
im surprised i could actually find a gif on that
Dragons Dogma also had some funny things with the ice spells
they could spawn ramps & cubes
thin zodiac
the goofy ass ramp spell is way more useful than it has any right to be.
solemn mica
It has so much things, even a broken amount of stagger damage
hard sentinel
dang thought I was big braining it when I thought to combine lazy and Sherrif stars
...
so if your stars despawn while having lazy you just don't have a secondary anymore
hard sentinel
Could just be a thing that doesnt work in town
thin zodiac
concern
indigo salmon
it *does* regenerate ammo in your reserve
How does minigun count then? Its all one big pile
thin zodiac
How does minigun count then? Its all one big pile
not quite
its capacity and its mag are one in the same, but if you note it has a / between them anyways.
essentially you are firing directly from reserves.
unlike the stars which seem to just not HAVE reserves?
indigo salmon
Could just be a thing that doesnt work in town
its a town only thing
indigo salmon
Decided to swap the clip size of my long ranger for fire rate
Lazy can still out-pace it
My deeps will thrive
indigo salmon
how are the explosive headshots? or do you not have those yet?
same explosions as clutch
so good
imo
What i wanna get is the spell cooldown on kill
that'll be fun
OH
and Machine gun scalles really well
Disguise so good even my boss cant tell
Also, Friendly Fire
thin zodiac
dayum
indigo salmon
This mission has been a clip mine
thin zodiac
no seriously the things I would do for literally one extra loadout slot.
or like a second cowboy to gear and level.
cause theres this sniper build I wanna try and do
but I'd have to literally rewire my entire cowboy.
hard sentinel
indigo salmon
The Strat
indigo salmon
So just about every bot we've seen so far has been playable, right
the only exception (I think) of who we cant find in the world is Cariboo & Pumpkin jack, if he's even a robot
Playable Granny when?
minor swallow
isnt cariboo just in far far north?
indigo salmon
isnt cariboo just in far far north?
Maybe, but i haven't done the secret mission
the quest-giver there is just Trackman
minor swallow
cariboo is there for the secret mission
also where is the cryptic skin used? or are you excluding that because thats not a robot
indigo salmon
I was excluding cuz its not a robot yeah
even though it does have this... atachment?
minor swallow
is otto a skin? i forget
minor swallow
yeah, i forgot if you got him when you got the horse
indigo salmon
that feels good
thin zodiac
You’re insane
indigo salmon
cuz its gonna be really funny
if im not emptying my 7 bullets in 2 seconds the boss deserves to live
thin zodiac
sigh
indigo salmon
thin zodiac
Throck where’s my elephant gun?
indigo salmon
thin zodiac
In any case. I love Lydia but. I dunno. Skull and Phanty are just my babies you know?
I know the EG is bad in BL2. I know. But I love it so much because it was CRACKED in bl1.
thin zodiac
The issue is it just doesn’t keep up in the higher OPs. Like. Again. You can use anything in BL2 and it CAN work.
But there comes a point where you have to look at yourself in the mirror and ask if it’s worth the trouble?
The answer is yes. Bring yourself joy. Use weird guns. Do random bullshit. The world is your oyster and you have one big hammer.
So go out there Throck and have a belt fed machine sniper.
indigo salmon
Lots of things dont work in OP10. Health regen my beloathed
thin zodiac
And broken HP scaling that is STILL BUGGED on several bosses
OP levels were a mistake. Or well. OP10 was a mistake anyways.
Honestly shoulda just stopped at OP5.
Cause then we coulda called it OPS and it’s a clean number, etc etc.
indigo salmon
i do have one actual legitimate reason to run the triple legendary/unique over weakspot damages
alot more likely to rng find the blues & purples that do give that damage
than finding a machine gun or ricochet
indigo salmon
by the end i had about 4 seconds to empty the 7 bullets
so now that i've done the silly, probabbly just gonna use the blue weakspot and like
bell heals
Or grunt birthday party twice
thin zodiac
Oh my
indigo salmon
No regerts
thin zodiac
Never.
indigo salmon
so with the maxed damage
its 150 something on headshot, idk the numbers combine sometimes
45 on body
thin zodiac
My only question is if the explosion damage is nerfed or if it is buffed
solemn mica
oh this answer one of the question i had about unique jockers
this mean i can have my fan of explosive arrows...
very interesting
indigo salmon
My only question is if the explosion damage is nerfed or if it is buffed
its like the same explosion that Clutch (last 2 bullets explode) gives
indigo salmon
so like 15-20 + DoT
indigo salmon
oh its unaffected by that entirely
indigo salmon
for better or worse
indigo salmon
You knkw what a funny joker would be?
Disable weakspot hits
Chance for Random Crits (scale off weakspot damage)
thin zodiac
That much power? On one weapon?
We could call it
The executioner.
(Funnily enough pickaxes are already essentially a bleed effect)
Ya know what would be neat?
A PvP arena at town
Not anything serious
But like a place where you can murder your friends for funzies.
hard sentinel
Ok this guy has the right of way
he CLEARLY has the biggest iron
https://www.rxddit.com/r/FarFarWest/comments/1tk3up5/biggest_cowboy/
solemn mica
the snow map....
probably the legendary joker on the train, everyone must have roled Giant
minor swallow
im sorry are they having to use the rocket platforms to trade jokers?
thin zodiac
okay you know the one extra baseline mobility move we had?
a slide.
I really really wish we had a slide.
or a crouch
indigo salmon
Got Leveredge to a higher level and tried out Ricochet on it with the extra damage per shot until miss
thin zodiac
any good?
indigo salmon
Good news, it doesnt lose its damage when rico hits a wall after hitting an enemy
thin zodiac
well thats positive
indigo salmon
Bad news, it loses stacks if it hits a wall then goes into an enemy
thin zodiac
pain
indigo salmon
so it seems only the initial shot is what counts
now i just need to get lucky & actually track if a hit into hit stacks double
other things to note i guess
It has to be a hit that makes a damage number
so horseman horses, water tower/house skulls, the one side objective, shields
those all reset it
indigo salmon
oh and Consumer doesnt waste ammo, since its a rounds-reload
thank you for coming to my ted talk
thin zodiac
interesting
I wonder how consumer works with dual pistols and their unique upgrade
would consumer be free reload speed.....?
indigo salmon
Free damage but maybe
i have a feeling it would overwrite the unique but thats def something to test
indigo salmon
It has to be a hit that makes a damage number
i have found an exception
The Extraction bell
thin zodiac
odd
hard sentinel
indigo salmon
Is no saddle just a free disgrace?
hard sentinel
pretty much I think
thin zodiac
Seems like it would be….
Which. Uh.
You really don’t want to give speedsters more free joker slots. Like.
That’s approaching “oh god the game snapped in half” levels.
Then again…
minor swallow
Wait why is there a "Disgrace meta" problem? If its just because of speedster then the problem is speedster.
hard sentinel
More like people want to have a reason to use the horse rather than the all round better option of base move speed
Not necessarily related to speedster balance issues
minor swallow
People are missing out on horse jumping then
thin zodiac
Wait why is there a "Disgrace meta" problem? If its just because of speedster th...
Oh it’s not meta
Not currently
minor swallow
I dont need disgrace when I have "triple jump at home"
thin zodiac
It’s moreso movement speed and joker slots are currently on a knifes edge and tipping too far one way might break something?
Yes triple jump at home is great
But when it comes to min maxing bullshit, 30% move speed at no cost is. Potent.
minor swallow
Technically the cost is 3 joker slots.
minor swallow
Which honestly, none of the legendary town jokers seem useful enough to take for 5 over some of the mythics.
thin zodiac
https://www.rxddit.com/r/FarFarWest/comments/1tn9yc7/proposed_solution_to_the_di...
This suggestion.
minor swallow
Im more just confused by people who call it a meta anyways
thin zodiac
…… nobody here called it such?
minor swallow
That post does
thin zodiac
If you mean people on the internet? They’re dumb.
thin zodiac
That post does
Well they’re being dumb
It’s 3 joker slots. 7 if you count the 2 speed ups you’d also be running. And a bunch of upgrade points.
Like.
minor swallow
The upgrade points are worth it anyways
thin zodiac
Meta is a STRONG word for something that is decently potent with potentially problematic foundations.
minor swallow
Meta is a strong word for a game whose sole purpose is to have fun messing around employing dumb ideas.
thin zodiac
Most Effective Tactic Available is always applicable
META is an acronym and it will always apply.
minor swallow
Never knew it was an acronym
thin zodiac
Gamers will optimize the fun out of a game given the chance.
minor swallow
This is true, I have done it before. That said I have since decided the true meta is the most efficient tactic available for having a good time.
thin zodiac
In any case. People are off their rocker as usual but disgraced should always be a joker IMO.
Opportunity cost beyond losing the horse is an important part of its balance.
minor swallow
Agreed
thin zodiac
This is true, I have done it before. That said I have since decided the true met...
Well damn. Look at you having fun while I’m rotting in build hell.
indigo salmon
META is an acronym and it will always apply.
It is now but i believe its been Mandela'd to be so
thin zodiac
Oh that reminds me! I tested the quad shot some more. Its extra crit rounds can bounce from ricochet.
minor swallow
I made a build too strong and dull so instead I decided "screw it, im playing spells only" and im so glad I did.
thin zodiac
It is now but i believe its been Mandela'd to be so
I mean yes. But the original use of the Greek prefix was stupid.
“It’s beyond the game” no it isn’t the game lets you do it.
minor swallow
There's two uses of "meta" now and honestly they are distinct enough to be their own words.
thin zodiac
Yay evolution of language!
minor swallow
Ahh yes, let's fragment this already-broken language even more.
thin zodiac
All language is broken. Some asshole broke our tower.
minor swallow
English evolves backwards
hard sentinel
English is soup
thin zodiac
Mmmmm alphabet soup.
indigo salmon
thin zodiac
Congrats!
hard sentinel
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Il let the log explain the code
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3124540/view/671744413105389612
thin zodiac
good stuff. yeehaw.
winged snow
I see we're talking about promocodes
there's also ||1MCOWBOYS - 1250 gold||
indigo salmon
what 3 copies of dwarf does to a mf
indigo salmon
What wasnt fully showcased:
- I had Clutch on my revolver so if i was infinite-fanning with 1-2 bullets left they would also be explosive
stiff lotus
You need 3 stacks to get full mag on just normal revolver
indigo salmon
hard sentinel
thin zodiac
Well portals are now personal (yay) and…. god damnit
Homing Burst: Every 20 bullets fired, shoot 5 homing bullets at nearby enemies > The first and last shot of your magazine fires 5 homing bullets at nearby enemies (projectiles now prioritize multiple targets but can still focus on one)
They made.
Homing burst.
Even less reliable
Also I guess apparently it could repeatedly target one thing even though I NEVER SAW THAT in testing.
indigo salmon
i thought original burst was every 20 hits not shots?
lvl 75 titles
oh they've added voice acting. kinda
thin zodiac
i thought original burst was every 20 hits not shots?
Shots. No hit needed.
You could fire into the god damned sky and they’d seek out some poor fool
thin zodiac
lvl 75 titles
Very nice
indigo salmon
indigo salmon
New spell combo might be a lil busted
indigo salmon
there are new spell combos?
just corrupt -> drain
aparently a rain -> corrupt is planned but idk if its out
thin zodiac
neat
hidden steeple
I guess I got distracted by the quad barrel's nerf.
it got nerfed?
indigo salmon
it got nerfed?
instead of on 20 shots its now on first & last bullet
hidden steeple
ah I misread it as first 5 and last 5
indigo salmon
it makes 5 seekers is prolly where the 5's came from?
minor swallow
Its not really a nerf or buff, more just a neutral change
hidden steeple
Definitely changes how you make it a build
minor swallow
instead of every 20, its twice per mag, unless you reload early, in which case its once
minor swallow
Definitely changes how you make it a build
thats certainly true. larger mags anti-synnergize with it now
indigo salmon
chronic reloader, shoot 1 bullet reload
minor swallow
pretty much
hidden steeple
And the default is around 20-30 so it might actually be better
minor swallow
you now just want max reload speed, small mag size
as for my current setup on it, with a mag of 41, it would be worse
also they supposedly fixed the issue with the 5 shots not always hitting targets in some circumstances
hidden steeple
Does also mean we can put the points into more dakka
minor swallow
yes, it does work well with more firerate, although i guess it more just works neutrally since your percentage is still the same
same way as it works neutrally with dmg
thin zodiac
it makes 5 seekers is prolly where the 5's came from?
your barrel
oh wait that wasnt what you were saying at all
Im so sorry.
indigo salmon
s'all good
thin zodiac
Its not really a nerf or buff, more just a neutral change
given how much fire rate and mag size you could get it.
it arguably a nerf?
but it is closer to a side grade yes.
it also makes it compete with the machine gun slightly less.
minor swallow
it took me a bit to figure out how you were interpreting that message to respond with "your barrel" but i can see it now
thin zodiac
I read that as "where do the seekers come from?"
my brain is just. its having a day.
minor swallow
and really the change means that it works with a different build than it did before
indigo salmon
they do come from the gun
minor swallow
and i will agree that regardless of buff or nerf, this does fit the quad better than previously since it no longer competes with machine gun in just wanting firerate
thin zodiac
and really the change means that it works with a different build than it did bef...
again, it is good that its not longer directly competing with the machine gun.
how this change truly plays out? I dunno.
but it does make me want to revisit the quad
minor swallow
also means you can prep it by reloading so your next shot is guaranteed to have seeking.
indigo salmon
just wanna clarify, do we mean the minigun?
minor swallow
yes
thin zodiac
yes.
indigo salmon
Cuz confusingly, machine gun is a joker
minor swallow
yep
thin zodiac
oh god right.
minor swallow
somehow i knew both of these and they were both actively in my mind and i didnt get confused. honestly i find it confusing that i didnt get confused. which sounds confusing.
thin zodiac
nono I get it
minor swallow
ill admit half of that sentence only exists because it sounded fun.
thin zodiac
fair nuff
minor swallow
but yes, it gives quad more of its own feel, and now you can prep the seeking shots before combat without spending ammo
got a time to reload? now its especially useful because it also means instant seeking, although if youre close enough to the end you may want to just fire off the rest of the shots first for the bonus seeking.
thin zodiac
yeah it will be interesting to see
minor swallow
i can certainly agree that it will be interesting to see
and you beat me to saying it
thin zodiac
"time will tell" is another I like saying.
minor swallow
its short and effective
thin zodiac
i have also become a broken record before
Ive just given up and accepted that this is how I respond to information.'
I only have so many ways to phrase "cool. wonder how that will work out."
minor swallow
They have, in fact, made nightmare considerably harder
thin zodiac
Neat
minor swallow
And the elites have more health than a horseman
But they are few
(Immediate storm trigger from well)
minor swallow
you ever just turn around to see your wisp killing nuke way too close to you?
i had 1 second to see it, and then i was dead
minor swallow
alright, the elites are a bit tanky, but otherwise fun. they are only one per storm, at least in solo. might be more in multi, idk
(also they are nightmare-exclusive)
and the idea of having a storm miniboss is pretty neat. no reward for it, but you're supposed to be avoiding the storms anyways, not purposefully triggering them
hidden steeple
minor swallow
Wait I just presumed it didnt work with the chance to get ammo back on headshot, but if it does...
If it does they'll probably patch it out, so have fun while you can
indigo salmon
If it does they'll probably patch it out, so have fun while you can
does it auto-aim for headshots on skeletons or just ceter of mass?
thin zodiac
Wait I just presumed it didnt work with the chance to get ammo back on headshot,...
OH
OH GOD
thin zodiac
does it auto-aim for headshots on skeletons or just ceter of mass?
it goes for crits.
HOW DID I NOT THINK ABOUT THIS
JESUS CHRIST.
yes it works with ammo back
god
I
how. this is.
I shoulda
DAMNIT. I shoulda tested that.
importantly.... you can put other "on crit" jokers.
hoooh.
new Quad might
mayhaps
need a rework.
or maybe it doesnt.
I mean
we've all seen minigun
oh by the way, just, extra fun fact, those shots can in fact ricochet.
so.
hard sentinel
I was wondering why yall were bemoaning that change as a "nerf"
thin zodiac
I was wondering why yall were bemoaning that change as a "nerf"
to be fiar, that was only me, and only for an afternoon.
theres no yall here
theres just me
just me and the room.
minor swallow
They'll probably at least prevent the extra shots from triggering the ammo refund
Honestly thats all they need to do, leave the other synergies be. Simply: if the shot didn't expend ammo, it shouldn't be able to refund ammo. Which would mean only the aimed shot would be able to refund