||Hero. Im going to stab sky face. and when his healthbar moves by half a pixel. I will start my crusade for his corpse.||
#Metaphor: Refantazio
lusty haven
quiet shuttle
||Hero. Im going to stab sky face. and when his healthbar moves by half a pixel....
||You can't stab Sky Face. He is not a fight at any point in the game.||
lusty haven
||I said. I. am. going. to. stab. him.||
||alright emo bastard. not in the mood. time to die for annoying me while Im dealing with cheap storytelling.||
crisp condor
Don’t worry, you get back at him
lusty haven
mhm
sigh
it just.
I love the mechanics
but man
the opening to atlus games
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
its all about being powerless and unable to stop people
when
guess what
Im not powerless
because I spent 20 hours in the first dungeon becoming nearly unstoppable
and its just
such a clash of reality vs storytelling
its infuriating
quiet shuttle
Don’t worry, you get back at him
||In fact, you do so twice. Because he's a necromancer, so of course he's dealt with more than once.||
lusty haven
||bro what are you on about. thats like..... barely a climb. I coulda weaved through that when I was 10, much less a magically enhanced super soldier in their late teens.||
||like this is Kingdoms of Amalur levels of embarassing. and that game came out in like 2010||
quiet shuttle
||bro what are you on about. thats like..... barely a climb. I coulda weaved thr...
||Gotta keep that OSHA compliance. Can't go climbing debris piles without a harness.||
lusty haven
||THEY HAVE MAGIC.||
quiet shuttle
||OSHA does not care. Workplaces must have safety standards. And climbing debris piles is unsafe.||
lusty haven
||the enemies here are level 6. Im level 15. this is just sad.||
lusty haven
||OSHA does not care. Workplaces *must* have safety standards. And climbing debr...
||uuugggghhhh. fiiiiinnneeee. Ill get them harnesses and hard hats.||
||and eye protection||
||and boots||
game I understand that you expect me to leave this dungeon at some point to recover supplies for some reason.
I do not know why you would think I would ever willingly do that when seemingly, theoretically, this dungeon is doable in one shot.
dungeon 3 ||oh hey its the classic "we revived your friend to kill you" nonsense. man you guys are in for a real bad time. I mean unless you got him as I built him? but thats unlikely. this is gonna be fun.||
||...... what do you mean he was able to move faster than the eye can track. thats nonsense. I dont care what energies you infused him with, I should be able to flick him and have his arm explode.||
||oh look is it awakening round 3? my god. I just. like. could you at least let me fight this gremlin first before doing this?||
||I said it before, Ill keep on saying it, Atlus while good at overall storytelling, sucks at intros.||
||seriously. my god. this is just painful. and not in a fun way.||
oi. which one of you said dungeons could be done in one shot without the game randomly forcing me out?
IVE BEEN LIED TO
BETRAYED
lusty haven
to anyone who knows: if I just absolutely nuke the dungeon day 1, do I then lose all the other days? or is it just that Ive ended the threat early and now can just chillax.
cold mountain
chillax
balmy basin
no time is lost if you finish a main dungeon early.
tacit jetty
also, does it count if the fight isn't even in the dungeon but on the way there?
hearty owl
oi. which one of you said dungeons could be done in one shot without the game ra...
Iirc that was me, and i said it doesn't kick you out in the middle of a dungeon, not that there was no plot stuff before you actually got to explore the dungeons
Discord pls
Only one post
At least up to the second important one anywyas
There's also not been any calling card ish mechanic to summon the bosses
lusty haven
Iirc that was me, and i said it doesn't kick you out in the middle of a dungeon,...
nyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hearty owl
Also i'd recommend at least doing all bond stuff you can before going to the main plot dungeons, some of the perks you get are really useful
lusty haven
well, found a new grinding spot.
although its annoying that these goblins are level 16
balmy basin
You did what I did, heh. It's a good place of ya do it right
lusty haven
You did what I did, heh. It's a good place of ya do it right
Look they said “don’t go there it’s super dangerous” all I heard was “xp bags ripe for the picking”
Now if only I could get high enough leveled to just insta gib everything.
Gonna take a while
balmy basin
I still had mage equipped most of the time to accrue mp. It just made my mistakes a lot worse
lusty haven
Oh yeah question: you got a good farming route? Or is it just run from start of dungeon to the end.
Cause enemy respawns in this place feel…. Off.
balmy basin
Eventually that's what I did. What I did for quick kills early on was go through most of the first floor for quick kills and the room nearby once you go down, exit the dungeon and repeat.
Eventually I just started going through the dungeon, using bugs as an easy xp, usually ignoring the big guys, but there are a few nice swarms of enemies near the end, than using cat to restart level again.
lusty haven
Wait… I can exit the dungeon without leaving leaving?
Like go through the front door again without time passing
balmy basin
Yeah, if you go back to where the entrance is , it'll reset non special enemies and you can talk to your party members and hop right back in
Mind you, if you try to leave once there it'll have the time passing icon as a warning
It doesn't reset your health/mana pools. But you don't have to wait for spawns that way. Having the cat send you back to the entrance does the same. Entering academia can do it as well
In some dungeons I Eventually was using ariadne's thread to restart a dungeon quickly
meager estuary
I really like the towers for grinding.
Start on floor 1, go up to the top, use the cat to go back to the entrance, repeat.
Other dungeons are kind of a pain.
balmy basin
there are a few places with very well placed spawn crystals, though most of the good ones are a ways off. others are kinda placed in what seems like an annoying spot on purpose where enemies will get stuck.
meager estuary
Yeah, I farmed the heck out of the temple dungeon by just parking myself between two crystals as a merchant.
Kinda slow way to make a million gold, but I haven't needed money since.
lusty haven
Yeah, if you go back to where the entrance is , it'll reset non special enemies ...
Handy
Yeah the cat only lets me save the game RN cause I haven’t killed the boss
balmy basin
might be a hard mode thing? Usually gives you the option to return to entrance
lusty haven
Huh
Dunno
I am in hard mode. Should probably turn that down for grinding
Yes I fiddle with difficulty while grinding. I actually care about my time somewhat
meager estuary
I do it too, especially with the bad weather boost.
lusty haven
Bad weather boost?
meager estuary
Enemies get some extra levels + hitting weaknesses doesn't give you an extra half turn, but you also get extra Exp + A. Exp
tacit jetty
Also if for some reason you need to, the mag exchange is a better ratio when the weather sucks
lusty haven
Enemies get some extra levels + hitting weaknesses doesn't give you an extra hal...
huh. I see.
well
good to know for my next grind session.
in other news finally got the ability to overworld kill everything in here
so now finally, finally, I can level all my jobs to 20
causel ike
..... why not.
I want healers auto heal damnit
it will be mine
lusty haven
Figured out how to teleport back to the start with the cat!
That…. I didn’t think that “leave” meant leave the dungeon. I thought it was the exit dialogue button
lusty haven
Ive been here. so long.
I have become a part of this dungeon itself.
this hole
it was made for me
Im. Normal.
quiet shuttle
You know, more luck would mean more items.
lusty haven
while true: without the ability to respec I sadly have to prioritize combat ability over luck
game just went "you know if you do things that characters agree with in conversation you get MAG!"
game. why would I ever need that.
lusty haven
You know, more luck would mean more items.
also, a lack of luck can be made up for with quantity
observe.
quiet shuttle
game just went "you know if you do things that characters agree with in conversa...
For bigger number.
It's free MAG, after all.
lusty haven
I guessssssssssss
lusty haven
cold mountain
you appear to have spent more time in that dungeon than i spent on the entire game
quiet shuttle
As is Gur's way.
lusty haven
you appear to have spent more time in that dungeon than i spent on the entire ga...
And?
Pianist, welcome to my domain
dull laurel
(he's insane)
don't worry
he does this
its an issue
he won't change
its endearing
lusty haven
Awwwwww. Thanks weegy.
dull laurel
acceptance, not a compliment
quiet shuttle
Acceptance, not a compliment.
lusty haven
Acceptance, *not* a compliment.
extremely rude. dishonor upon your cow.
lusty haven
extreme dishonor upon your nonexistent cow then.
lusty haven
welp.
quiet shuttle
Time to back out just for a moment to sell the items.
quiet shuttle
Yes, but you'd be maximizing the efficiency of your Gold gain from loot.
lusty haven
nah
Im doin fine
maybe it auto sells?
thats a thing right?
uhhh nope
they just drop into the aether
quiet shuttle
Then guess you gotta leave the dungeon for a few minutes to sell them off, to maximize your gold from loot.
lusty haven
I physically can’t hero
If I leave a whole day passes
And I’m not gonna waste time like that
dull laurel
Gurm have you been checked for OCD
lusty haven
they said I dont have it
repeatedly
also dont have autism
also repeatedly
theres like 7 full write ups on me.
tacit jetty
Gurm the well written on, dang
lusty haven
look the long long long, extremely complicated, nearly 2 decade long story short.
is that nobody actually explained what the hell ADHD is.
and only in the past few years have me, and my family, really uncovered it.
tacit jetty
Also, unless those old coin are worth quite a bit each, you probably would make more cash grinding w/merchant mc
lusty haven
WELL I DONT HAVE THE MERCHANT CLASS YET
I only have the base 5 forced on you
and Ive been trying to find the others (no I havent but let me dream) but its been hard.
and compicated
and nobody wants to talk to me cause they're racist.
tacit jetty
yeah the capital is full of rude people
lusty haven
there has been that one nice lady that told me about this dungeon though
I like her
shes nice
I also like the tavern lady
tavern lady pretty. I mean what.
tacit jetty
Both are nice yeah
lusty haven
shame we're STILL A DAMNED TEENAGER THIS TIME
I just
like sure
we're at least a legal adult
but 18? really game?
I just. like come on
thats basically still a child
tacit jetty
18, where you get to both claim 'teenager protag' and 'adult protag' at the same time 
lusty haven
How are there goblins left in this dungeon?
I just
Like
Mathematically it’s making less and less sense
quiet shuttle
Goblins breed at an exponentially parabolic rate. The more or less of them there are, the faster they repopulate.
lusty haven
My god
long gull
Welp, time to try the demo.
Been putting it off because BRAIN said no, but I have won! for now.
... Mmmmh. That'll be a no from me. Something about the art is freaking me tf out, and I can't completely place it.
lusty haven
quiet shuttle
I'm assuming Healer on Hulkenberg is the final Archetype to max of the archetypes you've unlocked?
lusty haven
I'm assuming Healer on Hulkenberg is the final Archetype to max of the archetype...
yup
long gull
I figured out what set me off on the art
gonna spoiler it because it's gross
||The way the eyes are animated and modeled, the cutouts around them makes it look like everyone's had their eyelids and tearducts fucking flayed||
Made me nauseus as fuck and I know it's stupid, but that'll make a playthrough miserable
long gull
||It's because of the emphasized tear ducts I think, that really makes me think they've been dug out even if the logical brain knows it's an art style||
lusty haven
No yeah I get what you’re talking about. I only noticed that on a few characters though
long gull
So like. Nothing wrong with the game, I didn't even get to gameplay aside from a brief escape sequence at the start
So I can't comment for shit on anything. I'll probably buy it ad try to stomach it if it goes on sale.
quiet shuttle
Entirely fair reason to not play the game.
If you can't mentally handle the art style, trying to push through the game anyway will just be torture.
meager estuary
There are dozens of other great games to play.
long gull
I know, but I am fascinated by the concept behind Rephantasio. At thispoint my interest in it makes it so it's a pick up on sale game even if it gives me the willies
meager estuary
Having finished it last night, I can 100% say that it's worth it.
But definitely wait until it's on sale, just in case you can't handle the eyes.
lusty haven
How are you already done with the game???
dull laurel
he does not spend 80 hours in one dungeon
meager estuary
I've been playing 3-8 hours per day.
long gull
Also what weegy said
meager estuary
Yeah, I only grind where it's expedient.
lusty haven
I havent spent 80 hours in 1 dungeon
dull laurel
uh-huh
lusty haven
Ive spent nealry 90.
long gull
...
quiet shuttle
That inherently means you've also spent 80 hours in one dungeon, Gur. That's how math works.
lusty haven
no.
long gull
Yes
lusty haven
nuhuh.
long gull
Yes.
lusty haven
nyeh
long gull
You absolute goober
quiet shuttle
90 is a bigger number than 80.
lusty haven
precision is important!
quiet shuttle
Which means if you spent 90 of something, you also spent 80 of it.
meager estuary
FWIW Gurm, you'll never need more than ~2-3 million gold. So when you get the merchant class rolling you should limit yourself to some degree.
dull laurel
it does not matter to him, he is gone to the grind
meager estuary
I overdid it by a mil and was actively trying to find things to spend money on.
meager estuary
Gold is stupid easy to get, and not that worthwhile.
long gull
He's grinding out exp for every character class he has available
long gull
Anybody else have a good title for Gurm I can't gt something snappy that describes "Ridiculous grindmonster" properly
dull laurel
Some pun for OCD
lusty haven
Im normal?
long gull
no you are not
dull laurel
no
long gull
I can't let that slide even as a joke anymore
meager estuary
The most expensive item in the game is an accessory that lets you cast a high damage typeless magic nuke, but half of your characters learn comparable abilities so it's not that worthwhile.
The second most expensive item are a handful of fans for ||Junah|| that all boost one element's damage. You only need 1 or 2 at most, and even then you can find better a bit later on.
So yeah, money grinding is kinda meaningless. Just throw on merchant for a dungeon and you'll have enough cash almost everything.
quiet shuttle
you have a very unique, and very overwhelming problem
Yeah. Not a licensed individual psychologist, but in my expert opinion as someone with a Societal Psychology degree, Gur is probably suffering from some variant of OCD, that manifests exclusively for grinding in video games.
quiet shuttle
Or depression
Which quite often goes alongside OCD and related conditions.
lusty haven
Yeah. Not a licensed individual psychologist, but in my expert opinion as someon...
okay look. I have literally. 7 seperate papers written on me for my mental problems.
its just clinical depression and ADHD.
lusty haven
Depression being drowned out in the endless grind
no I was like this before I was depressed.
honestly teh grinding brings out the depression sometimes because it lets my mind wander.
lusty haven
I believe you mean "hysteria"
quiet shuttle
okay look. I have literally. 7 seperate papers written on me for my mental probl...
Note that I specified "manifests exclusively for grinding in video games". It's possible that the psychiatrists all dismissed OCD since it's not a "standard" presentation of it where you're obsessed with things like making sure an area is always organized a very specific way, or preparing your food in very specific visual displays.
lusty haven
Note that I specified "manifests *exclusively* for grinding in video games". It'...
but I like my areas to be specifically organized
and for things to be mirrored
and apparently
that wasnt "OCD" enough for them
oh hey, the unlocks go silvery once you master em
fun.
lusty haven
FREEDOM
AHA
FINALLY
time to kill that minotaur
||........ it was not that hard of a fight lady. basically tank and spank.||
quiet shuttle
||........ it was not that hard of a fight lady. basically tank and spank.||
||She was obviously expecting it to be a cakewalk with no damage taken from the party, with how much grinding you did, is what she means by "tougher than anticipated".||
lusty haven
||she should lower her standards.||
quiet shuttle
||She's in the Royal guard. She can't lower her standards without compromising her honor.||
||And a woman without honor is worthless, or something along those lines.||
hearty owl
Hulkenberg has normal mortal standards, not whatever the mc can do standards
lusty haven
I still dont understand how you can beat a game like this in 80 hours.
I mean..... you can spend that long in dungeon 1.5
and now I run away
quiet shuttle
I still dont understand how you can beat a game like this in 80 hours.
I mean....
By not spending that long in dungeon 1.5.
quiet shuttle
Instead of beelining a grinding spot to spend the next 30 years in, one instead beelines every main plot objective.
meager estuary
I just made the most busted build possible and said "good enough"
lusty haven
but..... but how could you know it was the most busted build possible if you didn't max out every single class for every single person?
meager estuary
There's a perk that gives you 50% evasion, and a trinket that deletes all enemy actions the moment they miss.
lusty haven
.......... oh.
meager estuary
Final boss only got ~4 hits in on me.
All the extra effort maxing characters felt like extra work.
lusty haven
.......... hm.......... I think..... I might start investing in agility...... yeah I dont really need more endurance.........
I mean I already nearly have 50.......
meager estuary
Oh yeah, Agility is the best stat in the game IMO
Most of your damage by the end comes from your weapons + buffs, rather than base stats.
But there's very little that boosts AGI
I think I ended the game with 90 magic and 60-something Agility and it was fine. 100 Agility would have been even sillier.
lusty haven
kinda wish the game had a respec option.
oh well
what kind of modern RPG with stat alocation doesnt let you respec?
meager estuary
Yuuup.
The final class for the MC mostly does physical damage, which annoys me greatly.
I was still hitting for 5k+ damage, but it felt wasteful all the same.
lusty haven
interesting.
meager estuary
WeMod lets you hax in extra stat points, but I never used it.
Didn't feel necessary to me.
lusty haven
ehhhhhh....... not really the route I wanna take
I moreso want to scream into the void
while achiving nothing: it feels cathartic
well hopefully I wont regret dumping 27 levels worth of points into endurence
I mean that probably makes me immensely tanky? probably?
balmy basin
I think|| 4th ||character had about 70 agi at the end, before archetype.
my mc I had around 75 ish, but also maxed luck and pretty high mag. I went for a build that ignored weakness with him.
Since you are on hard, that endurance will probably allow you to live a lot more than elsewise
cold mountain
there are definitely bosses that it helps to have high endurance against
summer musk
hearty owl
a baby it is not
lusty haven
interesting
raw nymph
i kinda hate how mage archetype progressions is limited to the story progression
raw nymph
oh yeah, but only as long as you have a stat up bonus active
hearty owl
no, no. So long as theres overworld enemies you can get free mp
and overworld enemies are infinitely spawning as far as ive seen
every time you stun or kill and enemy in the overworld you recover 1 mp
hearty owl
still free mp recovery
raw nymph
mmh
hearty owl
and the mage's attack is an aoe
quiet shuttle
Gur literally spending hours in the tutorial cave dungeon because he wants to max out everyone, including Grandpa.
quiet shuttle
To this day, some swear that Gur is still stuck in that cave, maxing out Grandpa. :P
lusty haven
how was I supposed to know he was a Jagen!
quiet shuttle
Grandpa characters given that early are always Jagens.
lusty haven
hold on gimme a moment Im fairly certain I know of an instance in which you're wrong....
quiet shuttle
Especially when the only other initial companion is a 3rd dude (counting the protag as the first dude).
If the grandpa character is given in the first half of the game, 90% odds they're a Jagen.
If the grandpa character is given in the first chapter, and aren't the main protagonist, 99.9999999999999999999999999% odds they're a Jagen.
lusty haven
Octopath Traveler 2.
quiet shuttle
Octopath cheats by having all its party members be main protagonists.
lusty haven
look man.
quiet shuttle
Will is the only main protagonist in Metaphor, and thus Grandpa was fated to be a Jagen.
lusty haven
okay fine gimme a lil bit I can find another
Ghost Busters the video game.
you're teamed up with a bunch of 50 year olds and none of them die.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters:_The_Video_Game
this one specifically
anywho
point being
I didn't think he would. ya know.
have that happen
quiet shuttle
Ghost Busters the video game.
you're teamed up with a bunch of 50 year olds and...
They're main characters of movie, and thus they survive by virtue of main protagonist power.
lusty haven
They're main characters of movie, and thus they survive by virtue of main protag...
this game is considered a canonical sequel to the films and does not treat the original cast as main characters. they are IMPORTANT yes, but your faceless newbie is the main dude.
quiet shuttle
Point stands. They are main characters of prequel movie, and are still considered important cast. Ergo, they retain protagonist power protection from prequel movie.
hearty owl
r-rockbeans my beloved?!?!?
they make mp restore foods?!?!?
hell i'm reloading before cutscene time and going to go get more
also i gotta remember to use the bathroom on days divisble by 5
noooo i'm locked into plot and cant go to the beanboy
lusty haven
also i gotta remember to use the bathroom on days divisble by 5
I’m sorry what?
tacit jetty
Oh yeah, the bathroom luck
lusty haven
Huh
tacit jetty
I'd thought it was a speicifc day of the week, not just days / 5
raw nymph
if i remember, weeks in Metaphor are 5 day long
lusty haven
I think I’m on like day…. 3? Maybe 4? Which would explain why I never encountered that
hearty owl
remember to buy beans from the bean child
hearty owl
but beaaaaans
ahahahahah this fool also got caught
||town crier is in jail with me rn||
hearty owl
beanchild i have come for buisness
lusty haven
consume hte bean
quiet shuttle
you gain +1 luck whenever you do that
Gur never got out of Starter Town, he gave up during the Church Dungeon due to anger, so he does not know of the glory of the toilet that permanently increases Will's stats depending on the value of the 1s digit of the date.
(Where 5 and 0 are +Luck.)
raw nymph
that first dungeon ain't easy man
quiet shuttle
It wasn't due to difficulty, that Gur's anger arose.
long gull
Did they not let you grind or was it plot related
quiet shuttle
Plot related. There was plenty of grinding, since Gur found out that doing the out-of-battle instagib restores 1 MP, meaning he could grind infinitely. And due to the grinding he'd done in the Mine, he was able to instagib basically every enemy in the Church if desired.
long gull
Aha.
lusty haven
Gur never got out of Starter Town, he gave up during the Church Dungeon due to a...
That’s…. Not what I did at all?
quiet shuttle
That’s…. Not what I did at all?
The plot annoyed you because it was blocking the ability to max out all classes in the first dungeon.
quiet shuttle
Since you had to progress plot to unlock a class.
lusty haven
What happened was I got to the first major dungeon after maxing out all available classes in the side dungeon you get from merchant lady, then the election happened and I decided that playing a !=Persona game while deeply emotionally unstable was a bad idea and found other things to do.
lusty haven
Ya know. Because mentally spiraling would have been very messy.
Classes being locked behind story progression doesn’t bug me. Just means I have clear break points. You max grind all available classes, then prog to get a new class, max grind that one, rinse, repeat.
raw nymph
overleveling already maxed out classes isn't lost either
you gain consumable for each overlevel that give 1000 job experience
but you lost any consumables created once you reach the 99 limit...
lusty haven
*but you lost any consumables created once you reach the 99 limit...*
Ehehe… ehe…
yeahhhhhhh……
I don’t know how much I lost over time.
raw nymph
i lost so many of these fuckers