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#Palworld
gleaming fulcrum
guess who landed in the statistical estimate with both attempts for the No Lifemunk Catch Chance ?
As I said
He proved that something is wrong allright
but not that they reduce the chance XD
silk belfry
@stuck cypress I have discovered
Max bases in 3
also jfc Pal Metal Ingots take so much fire
silk belfry
Pal metal ingots are on a similar level to Cake in terms of crafting speed
I need to make a 4* Suzaku or something to deal with it
silk belfry
If I could catch one I would consider it. I'll go looking, I know which sanctuary they're at.
tame onyx
i've just gotten them from random huge scorching eggs
silk belfry
I haven't had that luck, nor have I found more than... Two Huge eggs?
I did make the Legendary spheres
They work pretty well, especially with the Effigy fix
expensive as snot, tho.
gleaming fulcrum
lol
little fun fact
you say expensive as snot to say its well... expensive
in german though its the opposite
here you say "Rotz billig"
So "cheap as snot"
silk belfry
welp
stuck cypress
here you say "Rotz billig"
So "cheap as snot"
neat.
stuck cypress
expensive as snot, tho.
that feels like an oxymoron.
gleaming fulcrum
which is why the german makes more sense
stuck cypress
indeed
silk belfry
I did the thing
4* Lamball
I am disappoointed
Instead of dropping a bundle of multiple, it just dropped 5 individual units of wool, one after another, per each grazing activation
So it neither increases efficiecy much, nor is it that stellar of an upgrade.
This makes me sad.
stuck cypress
……….. well now that’s mildly annoying.
silk belfry
I plan on trying with Vixy, see what that gets me.
I am curious enough to science it, and I'll keep trying towers in the meanwhile
stuck cypress
Okie
stuck cypress
I plan on trying with Vixy, see what that gets me.
Oh vixy, they just produce more orbs, not better ones.
yeah its kinda dissapionting
basically only super useful for the early game
kinda wish that staring up gave better orbs
tame onyx
data mines say 4* vixy can get mega spheres
stuck cypress
Really.
Huh.
Twas not my experience
Still, mega spheres are kind of a sick joke.
tame onyx
tame onyx
stuck cypress
………
Are you KIDDING ME
I’m not sure why you spoiled that
That’s helpful information
silk belfry
Depresso got caffiene.
But that does explain the Vixy's, it is a shame that it's so minimal. Does mean I don't need to go all in on breeding them.
silk belfry
welp
I found my mining site for coal and ore
It's two massive nodes of both right next to each other
stuck cypress
WHERE
silk belfry
Near sealed realm of the swiftr SE. There's a waterfall there that has... 6-8 ore spawns?
150 meters NW of that, in low spawn and easy to grapple navigate territory, there's a set of 6 coal boulders.
308, -41 if need be
I got... 320 ore and 250 coal from a single run.
tame onyx
silk belfry
pizza
stuck cypress
HM.
stuck cypress
I got... 320 ore and 250 coal from a single run.
very shiny.
silk belfry
IT even has a nice teleport point if you don't kill yourself from fall damage
stuck cypress
neato
tame onyx
stuck cypress
nicely done.... but..... how.
||level 1 and no legendary stat? but legendaries cant be bred. except by more legendaries.||
tame onyx
||yeh, got 2 to start, and breeding is easier than catching more||
stuck cypress
ahhhhh
tame onyx
||the only perk that came from one of the parents is slacker...||
stuck cypress
||oof.||
jovial cipher
dang this is refreshing to hear from a studio
https://fxtwitter.com/Bucky_cm/status/1757796446739558795
silk belfry
That is.
gleaming fulcrum
About updates..
Meanwhile Rocketwerkz with Icarus : Updates every weeks , small and big
But constant updates
You dont need big content but its consistency that is valued
silk belfry
I feel like I'd like bug fixes weekly, and content updates whenever they're ready
But that's not easy, I don't feel
gleaming fulcrum
You dont need content updates , but weekly or bi weekly small updates even if only bug fixes and small improvements show that the game is actively being developed in an early access stage
For a 1.0 thats not expected but in early access communication of progress is key
zealous needle
stuck cypress
sounds like an overzellous copywright branch.
zealous needle
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1aqnz1d/huh_didnt_realize_the_big_n_was_the_legal_rights/
stuck cypress
debatably, you could see sparkit as maybe a richu clone, but, again, its one of those pals that walks up to the line but does not cross.
ethics aside, I continue to believe that nintendo doesn't have much of anything truly substantial on palworld, again, its on gamespass, its been in open development for years, it just seems like somebody in a copywrite office jumped the gun.
pliant forge
gleaming fulcrum
For people not knowing about the articles above
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/palworld/images/e/ee/Sparkit.png/revision/latest?cb=20240123163229
Some overzealous Nintendo copyright intern is claiming copyright and issuing a takedown of fan merch containing Sparkit ( above)
I REALLY REALLY wish obviously fraudulent claims could be finable
stuck cypress
Yeah
gleaming fulcrum
good
shows that the investment returns if servers are stable
meanwhile Helldivers
silk belfry
Helldivers did not expect this response, unfortunately.
It was a case of overwhelming even the extended projections
stuck cypress
・Added measures to prevent the issue where base Pals would wander around and get stuck at the border of the base area
oh my god the game is playable again
silk belfry
There we go.
stuck cypress
・Implemented "relax" working style on the monitoring stand
well now I have a reason to use a monitoring stand
stuck cypress
few others
Fixed an issue where base Pals would get stuck on top of a logging site, etc.
silk belfry
Good, now I can tell them to chill if I need it.
stuck cypress
・Fixed an issue where Pals at the base would get stuck repeatedly starting transportation tasks and the light bulbs icon would appear over and over again.
・Adjusted the default work priority of base Pals (Anubis will prioritize manual labour)
silk belfry
...
stuck cypress
・Significantly relaxed building restrictions for stairs and triangular roofs
stuck cypress
a lot, a LOT of requested stuff
Im excited to go back
・Significantly increased the number of police officers who appear when a crime is committed
annnnd some stuff I didn't want.
but
lots
of good sthings
tame onyx
Twitter
stuck cypress
huh
potent oriole
Suprisingly I'm pretty sure thats the first time I've heard that sentence or any variant of it
"We will reimplement the bug" would be a funny followup line
stuck cypress
I mean, sometimes stuff happens.
craggy rampart
Some devs do that for speedrunners
potent oriole
Sure, theres quite a few devs who enjoy what speedrunners can come up with and feel that some major bugs add personality to the game. Just never heard someone apologise like that before for fixing a bug and not then undoing whatever
gleaming fulcrum
Suprisingly I'm pretty sure thats the first time I've heard that sentence or any...
you heard it before but this is one of the rare "It's not a bug, it's a feature" moments
a legit one at that
potent oriole
Nah that ones more dismissive, and regarding not fixing things, but yeah I've heard that side of the thing before a few times
stuck cypress
Yeah this more sounds like “we weren’t trying to fix it, but it’s fixed now”
jade burrow
"We will reimplement the bug" would be a funny followup line
Previous path of exile league had 'we have reverted the fix until next league' the one time they accidentally broke hex builds
stuck cypress
Heh
stuck cypress
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1623730/view/5819285948064367262?l=english
apparently the big world bosses we had before were not considered raid bosses, so, thats cool.
stuck cypress
・New building "Ore Mining Site" has been added. This mining site allows you to produce ores from the comfort of your base!
and some other good QOL
so
good stuff
・You can now allow/disallow certain work for base Pals at the Monitoring Stand
HOLY JESUS
⤷ You can now connect stairs facing upwards
・You can now edit your character's appearance at any time by using the "Antique Dresser"
ohter good stuffs
gleaming fulcrum
The allow / disallow is the greatest imo
stuck cypress
yup
thats so useful, because now people can be specialized and not randomly just do what they are terrible at
stuck cypress
・Corrected an issue that caused all Pal attacks to deal only half the intended damage.
um
so apparently
something happened somewhere
stuck cypress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrrRs7-gpzg
hello. local real person here. sharing the newest update for palworld.
new pals
includin froge
well, coming anyways
alright htats my job done.
gleaming fulcrum
At least they are giving more meaningful updates and faster than they did for Craftopia
stuck cypress
Yup.
jovial cipher
silk belfry
oh wow
silk belfry
Thank you.
limber socket
we ever get anything else on nintendo and this game?
also i'm prolly gonna restart a world of this cause i haven't played in so long and my stuff was uhhh not great
limber socket
oh for real? last thing i heard about it was the statement that they were investigating it
silk belfry
Yeah and they said they didn't see a reason to press charges or aught
limber socket
well thats pretty great
any advice for starting a world in this btw? now that i can actually ask instead of running into a wall until it breaks?
like whats a good place for a base and such
silk belfry
You'll want a place where the majority of the claim circle is flat ground
Because otherwise Pals will get stuck above or below and can't make it back
I know they did a bit of work for that, but it's likely still a problem
limber socket
should i go for a place with ressource nodes already in the base or is waiting for the buildable ones better?
silk belfry
For starting out find resource nodes in base, it'll save you a headache
You can make a resource farm base later with the build able mines and such
But some resources are only available in world nodes
stuck cypress
we ever get anything else on nintendo and this game?
they didnt care because there was nothing to go after. the internet was just being moronic again and thought they knew things they didnt.
anyways for a new base: build near metal
metal is needed for so much, and its such a pain to get otherwise
silk belfry
They made a metal mining station gurm
limber socket
ohhh
silk belfry
They did that months ago
stuck cypress
green
silk belfry
second major patch
silk belfry
... Well alright then
stuck cypress
tame onyx
there's also sulfur and coal stations, but they're very late
silk belfry
Oh they did add those? Them being late makes sense
It also means you only need to gather those until endgame which
is a blessing
tame onyx
though last time i played i noticed the coal station option was missing, not sure if it was a bug or it was removed
just opened patch notes, it seems they lowered the level for it
stuck cypress
Oh that’s nice
Wait
Crap this means I need to redo all my bases
God damnit.
Also we can breed big pals now, meaning I think I’ll have to re open the hellscape
I require big boiz
potent oriole
Big shiny boiz?
stuck cypress
yez
stuck cypress
new update: ・In some cases where a working pal is stuck, they will now work remotely from where they are standing
thats good
it was smol update
but thats its big thingy
jade burrow
They had to get everything in order first
silk belfry
Why are they even...
errant pollen
Lawsuits likely take a long time to prepare, and Nintendo likely didn't want to go to court without an ironclad case.
Being sloppy and getting precedent against Pokemon would hurt a lot.
zealous needle
that is my take, 1 day shy of 8 months from the release date
hushed ravine
didn't they already made clear everything was ok when it first launch?
jade burrow
They said a corporate as all hell version of 'yes we know about palworld, we will investigate, stop bothering us'
zealous needle
Inquiries Regarding Other Companies’ Games
We have received many inquiries regarding another company’s game released in January 2024. We have not granted any permission for the use of Pokémon intellectual property or assets in that game. We intend to investigate and take appropriate measures to address any acts that infringe on intellectual property rights related to the Pokémon. We will continue to cherish and nurture each and every Pokémon and its world, and work to bring the world together through Pokémon in the future.
The Pokémon Company
stuck cypress
Wait what? Why are they sueing NOW?
limber socket
they were investigating before
stuck cypress
I just…… ugggghhhhh. I thought we were done. Bloody hell.
potent oriole
Because unlike the court of public opinion they want their full lawyer team to go over every single thing, comparing it and figuring out what works, because for suing, you don't just throw everything and hope it sticks, you need to get as many indisputable cases to avoid being accused of drowning the other party in pointless paperwork. A sanction for a frivolous claim can massively waste the courts time and get judgements thrown out otherwise
stuck cypress
Yes I know Jaz
potent oriole
😛
stuck cypress
But also see previously when they had YEARS to look at previous announcements and work done, and waited until post launch. Which is weird. Nintendo likes strangling things in the cradle.
I know how lawsuits work
I get it
I’m questioning how we got this far and only now they’ve chosen to try and kill it.
zealous needle
there are enough monster collecting games that Nintendo hasn't been able to kill
given its a patent lawsuit, I'm guessing there is a very technical line crossed
potent oriole
But also see previously when they had YEARS to look at previous announcements an...
The funny thing; based on news sources which I can't find actual sourcing to nintendos official filing or anything, is that it isn't about copying creature designs, but their apparent 'claim' on specific taming mechanics
The focus of this lawsuit on patents rather than copyrights suggests that Nintendo believes Palworld includes patented game mechanics or features similar to those in Pokémon games.
So very much against the court of public opinion about design theft, they have chosen to 'defend' the ability to capture creatures with a thrown device
Which, is weird to pick now; with the advent of so many other games
I really don't feel like running through japans patent office database though to try and figure out the specific wording for how they plan to copyright throwing a ball; against realworld sports, and the concept of capturing an animal using a device
Or not copyright but defend their patent stuff
stuck cypress
Oh that’s horseshit. But it’s Japan. So god knows what the hell will happen.
potent oriole
Yeah, by the base idea of the court, you can't copyright video game mechanics. Unless there is an explicit copy that an external person could see infringement and whatever else, you can't copyright that kind of idea, no one can copyright an FPS for it's camera, movement and gameplay
The question is how the court decides the presentation of the action, and if it can be confused as being the same series of games
Also theres technically the implication of anti-monopoly laws
Sony being in a partnership with Pocketpair, implies Nintendo might also be working the angle of shutting down a competitor to maintain full market share
Because if they fail to prove their patents matter here, it is in essence anti-competitive behaviour and sony can actually retaliate, compared to any number of indie devs
It's all speculation as of yet though, but it'll be very interesting no matter which side wins
stuck cypress
anyways thanks for finding the actual issue of litigation.
everything I found was just "lawsuit" without specifics
potent oriole
Honestly, I'm doubtful of the sites I could find for it, since any reference to nintendo has their blanket, no information announcement
potent oriole
But thats the best I could find on websites I don't even like the look of based on names I don't recognise, 'Shacknews' and 'Techstory'
potent oriole
Following Palworld’s success, The Pokémon Company signaled its intent to review the game for potential intellectual property violations. The focus of this lawsuit on patents rather than copyrights suggests that Nintendo believes Palworld includes patented game mechanics or features similar to those in Pokémon games.
The industry reaction to the lawsuit has been mixed. Some legal experts, like attorney Richard Hoeg, question the validity of Nintendo’s claims. Hoeg suggested, “Palworld is such a different type of game from Pokémon, it’s hard to see what patents might have been infringed. It seems like Nintendo might be reaching.”
However, others believe Nintendo’s case has merit, pointing to the similarities between Palworld’s creatures and Pokémon. These visual and gameplay similarities have fueled allegations of imitation.
The fact it is a .in website already makes me hate it, but it's like the only thing I can find
Which I suppose though gives an actual name
Oh and information?
No
Just back to nintendos plank page of announcement
stuck cypress
le sigh.
potent oriole
Whatever, heres the guys direct tweet the website named https://x.com/HoegLaw/status/1836553535028367627
Twitter
stuck cypress
back to the "time will tell" stance
see prior statement.
potent oriole
Who has also said:
Anybody can sue anyone for any reason. So I can’t tell you what Nintendo will or won’t do about Palworld. I can tell you, however, that they’d have a tough time winning on any infringement claim that isn’t arguing a direct design copy.
stuck cypress
yeah seems legit.
potent oriole
Either way unless we jump through patent office documents to find what we assume nintendo will defend, someone who has some online presence as a lawyer probably is the best non news site source we have
stuck cypress
yeah seems legit
potent oriole
Depends on who the guy is and the rest though
potent oriole
The bio for him says #TweetsNotLegalAdvice XD
Which is probably the most lawyer thing to do there
But yeah nintendo's tweet just says 'infringement of patent rights'
https://x.com/NintendoCoLtd/status/1836548465570255255
Twitter
So not copyright
stuck cypress
hm
potent oriole
But then leads to their own website with literally nothing of value in it
zealous needle
one of the potential patents that was dug up
pokemon and Nintendo had one for throwing pokeballs in combat; this one extended that to also cover throwing pokeballs outside of combat in an open world setting
potent oriole
Oh how I love to hate patents
an item that affects a field character disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation input, and when the item is launched at a place where the field character is disposed, giving an effect associated with the item to the field character, and in the second mode, determining the aiming direction, based on the second operation input, and causing the player character to launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based on the third operation input, and when the fighting character is launched at a place where the field character is disposed
How to make something hyper unreadable to normal people
Although in the first non-limiting embodiment, an empty ball item B is used as a non-limiting example of an item that is chosen from the first category (first mode) including a plurality of items that affect a field character FC, the first category may include other types of items. For example, the first category may include an item that slows the movement of a hit field character FC, an item that deprives physical strength of a hit field character FC, an item that changes emotions of a hit field character FC, and an item that attracts a field character FC.
Interesting how this patent attempts to generalise berries from pokemon go as 'items that can slow movement of a hit FC, deprives physical strength of an FC or one that changes emotions of a hit FC
Ignoring how 'hit' implies aiming for berries and the like, they are super generalised, this is why you don't study law if you value sanity I guess
News just in, Capcom using meat in monster hunter to lure and afflict status effects now infringes on Pokemons patent through the wording
But nah, it'll be interesting to see what comes of it all, this is beyond what most general public can probably figure out; neat that someone could find one of the patents though, good job!
I doubt thats the one Nintendo could act on though seeing as the filing date was may 2nd this year and for an american patent they can't retroactively enforce things; but it's cool to have one to hand at least
zealous needle
filing date is different to application date, and being "early access" might mean that Palworld cannot say they were fully released before the patent date regardless
this is already complicated enough that this is why the court system exists
stuck cypress
yeeeep
limber socket
i feel like if thats the one nintendo is going for a lot of other companies are going to jump in against that
lot's of games where you can throw stuff at enemies
hell in dragons dogma you can throw enemies at stuff
oh uh, also like
if i throw a ball at my dog does that infringe?
potent oriole
I get the feeling, ignoring the weird legalese confusion paragraph, that the patent is aimed at berries for capturing pokemon in pokemon go, it wouldn't make sense for them to take 25+ years to patent the idea of a pokeball
Taking 25+ years would immediately have the courts throw it out for having no intention besides anti-trust laws; to protect the idea
limber socket
that might make it even worst tho? wouldn't that like make feeding ducks and such an infringement?
potent oriole
This is where legalese matters for understanding. Specifically feeding random animals doesn't have the gameplay mechanics they list, of changing its speed, behaviour, mood and physical strength
limber socket
it kinda is a hunting tactic thats probably older than nintendo itself
potent oriole
Tangible gameplay effects and all that would be in referral to applying an item, with a similar interface or otherwise, to alter their stats, especially during the capturing of the creature in the field, while throwing objects for that objective that are a specific design
And then we run into being unable to patent specific commonplace things but not others
And why the courts are better at answering some things when they know what they are doing
limber socket
like if they want to claim palworld is using nintendo's own in house coding thatwould be different
sorry about being pedantic, but like this stuff never makes sense
zealous needle
compared to what's in store for the lawyers, you are not being that pendantic
potent oriole
sorry about being pedantic, but like this stuff never makes sense
I mean to make a meme of the quote "Any sufficiently advanced legalese is indistinguishable from gibberish"
zealous needle
on the patent we discussed above, that was the US one which was granted after Palworld released, but the Japanese one was applied for in December '21 and granted December '23, a couple months before Palworld's release
Twitter
minor wigeon
So...it's just dirty tactic from Nintendo?
potent oriole
It depends? If they have only in the last 4-ish years, put a patent on pokeball throwing mechanics, it can seem intentionally targeting a specific market, but it really depends
zealous needle
nope
potent oriole
Only 4 years for a 25+ year franchise would have that thrown out immediately; which nintendo wouldn't waste money on
zealous needle
these correspond to Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, which released November 2022
which introduced the open world aspects
potent oriole
The issue by that point is that their openworld throwing an item mechanic isn't theirs which would be argued in court depending
It really comes down to how the courts read all of this
zealous needle
Nintendo already have older patents on the pokeball mechanic
this recent patent is on some of the open world additions
and timing wise, looks like the Japanese filing corresponds to their own game, which also released before Pal world did
potent oriole
¯_(ツ)_/¯
The only part where this means something is if palworld can prove those mechanics weren't even patentable due to other games in the industry or any number of other things, but it really is the courts now. Theres asterisks everywhere even under the idea that you can't copyright an idea
The fun part about that, is if the japanese government, assuming they push that patent, decides half the games on steam; are within their region enough to qualify to invalidate that
zealous needle
I mean, they got the patent in the Japanese system, which may have different rules and thresholds
the US Patent is actually, technically still pending
potent oriole
I could 100% see the japanese courts saying games on steam are american based and don't count as part of the accessible media for their region or something like that, for why the patent isn't invalidated by some steam games and other things
potent oriole
I mean for other misc games that pokemon failed to enforce patent on, to invalidate the claim this time
Any number of indie games, steam games etc; that they didn't attack
Being excluded because they aren't japan based
zealous needle
none of those games throw spheres at monsters to capture them
and then throw the spheres to release the monsters
because they know to be distinct from Pokemon
potent oriole
The blanket statement of "There has never been a game about throwing spheres to capture creatures before 2021 in an openworld setting, across the entire internet" seems a bit weird to me
zealous needle
that is a vague enough statement. The Patent is quite a bit more precise about what it's protecting
potent oriole
I think I've lost my mahjong game because I tried to hold a conversation XD
We will have to wait and see what happens for the most part anyway
zealous needle
of course
minor wigeon
Will see how it will be
zealous needle
but a point to remember, Japanese courts do not tolerate frivolous lawsuits nearly as much as US courts do (we had to specifically call out anti-SLAPP in laws), so Nintendo does believe it has a solid enough case to litigate
potent oriole
Oh yeah definitely, Nintendo for all respects would not be making a stupid move. I wouldn't be surprised if they had their legal team do a few practice runs between different groups in their department to get all their arguments down
What better way to have a strong case than run a round robin tournament between multiple lawyer departments in a company XD
potent oriole
I think I've lost my mahjong game because I tried to hold a conversation XD
Stuck in 4th for east 4 for the nobody who was wondering
zealous needle
Slight correction, Pokemon Legends Arceus was earlier than Scarlet/Violet and had the aiming mechanism
limber socket
haven't you been able to throw spherical tranqballs forever in Ark?
wait no i think thats darts
zealous needle
patent includes the capture and reverse to release if I read it correctly
there is an interesting point though
has Nintendo and Pokémon ever gone after the Pixelmon mod for minecraft?
limber socket
they did when it was using pokemons models iirc
but that was the only thing i'm pretty sure
gleaming fulcrum
They havent gone after any other game period
they only do it now because palworld made mad cash and made things the Pokémon Company couldnt manage to release
Coromon
Nexomon
stuck cypress
has Nintendo and Pokémon ever gone after the Pixelmon mod for minecraft?
Multiple times.
limber socket
i just realized, digimon world 2 way back when had a ver similar mechanic to what the open world pokemon games have
had to fire stuff from your digibettle at digimon so when you fought them there was a chance they joined you
zealous needle
stuck cypress
well we now know the pattents at least.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20240278129A1
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20240286040A1
its pokeball throwing and flying mounts.
its throwing a god damned item
and MOUNTS
if these go through I am going to have an anyurism
limber socket
Mmos had flying mounts way before pokemon
Also cod had the pokeball throwing mechanic before pokemon had it
Nades and such
hushed ravine
they are doing this only because they know they can get a lot of money from that
they don't really care about game mechanic used, they are just after the money they gathered with the... 2M? players that bought the game during the first week after release
hushed ravine
lets not forget the different critter mounts that can fly
the fat cat, the A'Malja's drake
zealous needle
Nades and such
that first one isn't just throwing but also catching through the thing being thrown, so unless COD let's you capture enemy soldiers in grenades, not quite the same thing
limber socket
Okay thats fair
zealous needle
and reading the 2nd patent, it includes being able to catch things while on the mount and the mount being something you could catch
so it's not as broad as having a mount, but still reads pretty broad
potent oriole
So basically all this boils down to is if the court it goes through gets paid enough to side with nintendo, or that the selective enforcement of things that also can qualify as prior art and monopolising generic mechanics is defensible enough
Why am I pessimistic? the courts aren't exactly intelligent with dealing about online things
This very much could make any mounts in a capture game 'illegal'
zealous needle
well right now it's Japanese courts, so I cannot claim the same level of cynicism as one would US courts
and it's Patents instead of copyright or trademark, which a lot of folks thought was the stronger case
the above are only what is filed in the US
the Japanese parents may be more solid
potent oriole
Yeah
stuck cypress
Also if they file a patent that is nonsense, other corporations can sue them.
Either way
It’s just….. frustrating that they are taking this route.
zealous needle
limber socket
So it really is nintendo trying to quash competition?
potent oriole
Patent No. 7545191
[Patent application date: July 30, 2024]
[Patent registration date: August 27, 2024]
Patent No. 7493117
[Patent application date: February 26, 2024]
[Patent registration date: May 22, 2024]
Patent No. 7528390
[Patent application date: March 5, 2024]
[Patent registration date: July 26, 2024]
Because as we all know, palworld is their only game with throwing capture ball mechanics
I really don't see how this can stand, but we have to see, does this kill an industry
limber socket
It's japan court so, basically a coinflip
In the states you could prolly have hit nintendo with antitrust but i dunno for japan
potent oriole
https://www.ign.com/articles/palworld-dev-reveals-patents-at-the-heart-of-ninten...
The comments in the link also point out 'earlier patents'
if you look in the notes of the first one for example you see this (had to remove URLs because IGN blocked it):
Article 30, paragraph 2 of the Patent Act applies
(1) Publication date: February 27, 2021, Publication address: URL Removed)
(2) Publication date: February 27, 2021, Publication address: (URL Removed)
(3) Publication date: February 27, 2021, Publication address: (URL Removed)
(4) Posting date: February 27, 2021, Posting address: (URL Removed)
(5) Posting date: August 18, 2021, Posting address: (URL Removed)
(6) Posting date: September 28, 2021, Posting address: (URL Removed)
It would destroy the industry if some football or driving game tried patenting their 'work'
We are in the wrong timeline, Cry keeps telling us
stuck cypress
https://www.ign.com/articles/palworld-dev-reveals-patents-at-the-heart-of-ninten...
this is just fucking sad.
I just
gleaming fulcrum
glad wagon
It's japan court so, basically a coinflip
Even then I don't know because it would basically mean that Nintendo could take action against anyone who's violated those extremely, ridiculously broad patents including several other Japanese companies. I don't know if the court out favor one Japanese video game company over the rest of them.
zealous needle
stuck cypress
I mean.
lets be clear
it could be found outside of that mod too
Nintendos pattents are nonsense
everyone can see that
zealous needle
trying to argue how much applies with patents can be quite difficult
but in this particular mod, it would clearly cover exactly what the patent intended to cover
stuck cypress
Fair
hushed ravine
they could also use their previous game that have the same mechanics, and that nintendo failed to acknowledge
if they were really on a vendetta for patent violation they would have bite at every creations and creators
like Thor said, they are just trying to get an extra reach, testing if their strategy can work on a successful game in early access
zealous needle
yep
that's why they are not asking for much money, they are hoping the other side makes a business decision instead of a moral or principled decision
tame onyx
Twitter
stuck cypress
I better be able to tame an eye of Cthuhlu
potent oriole
See... The moment you go do that, is the moment you decide to dig in your heels...
Palworld doing stuff with sony, doing stuff with terraria
These aren't the actions of someone gonna back down from a lawsuit, this is gathering support/allies at this point
hushed ravine
this remind me something stupid i made on the little time i played
do anyone remember that one ghost Pal that floats next to you and attack when you attack?
tame onyx
daedream?
hushed ravine
yup!
well i filled my team with only Daedreams
couldn't see shit with 6 daedreams hovering right next to me
marble gale
Oh wait
tame onyx
bit late xsor
hushed ravine
but the enemies where possitively filled with dark orbs to the face
marble gale
yeah, I put it in nerdtalk first
tame onyx
nah i was first
marble gale
that's why I said I put it in nerdtalk first
stuck cypress
Palworld doing stuff with sony, doing stuff with terraria
These aren't the actio...
uyeah. good stuff. fight on Palworld. youre the one base building monster tamer Ive actually enjoyed.
marble gale
reading comprehension :D
potent oriole
that's why I said I put it in nerdtalk first
The difference between 'first' as an order of action
Or the order of 'first' chronologically
Both can be confusing, it's english
stuck cypress
well i filled my team with only Daedreams
oh yeah the support only strat. good times.
marble gale
The difference between 'first' as an order of action
Or the order of 'first' chr...
I mean... considering this isn't the nerdtalk channel...?
but it's fine
potent oriole
I mean... considering this isn't the nerdtalk channel...?
Chronologically they placed the link a minute earlier in general for the server; which I think is their main confusion of the interpretation of that point, you are hitting balls from different ends of seperate tennis courts
tame onyx
anyway, daedream/dazzi got a lot better with sakurajima, thanks to a new trait
Merciful or something
stuck cypress
no clue.
all I know is I need to play again and restart the breeding factory
the horrors of the breeding factory will never be stopped
nor contained
I will have my ultimate abominations
and the world will crumble
and I need ultimate abominations because Im playing on triple spawns making each bossfight a living nightmare
limber socket
did they fix bases needing to be on a flat area?
stuck cypress
did they fix bases needing to be on a flat area?
They’ve been working on it with every patch
Seriously every patch has some version of fixing Pal pathing.
stuck cypress
Twitter
tame onyx
stuck cypress
I see
upper imp
just started gamepass palworld playthrough with my brother
are there any non-spoiler tips I should know
minor wigeon
Pretty general good tip
Just find very good flat location for base
With planty of space
stuck cypress
are there any non-spoiler tips I should know
Base somewhere VERY FLAT. Pal pathing has….. issues.
Have fun? Is that a tip?
Oh right if you can be bothered to deal with the madness, pal breeding is immensely powerful
There should be websites to help
tame onyx
pal research and pal expeditions are new, and you should aim to unlock them as soon as you can, the first is a resource sink for permanent buffs, the other is basically free resources over time
recently resumed from a level 48 save, and kinda had to wait for them to get ready for the new island
stuck cypress
I probably should play again
upper imp
okay so the little flat patch next to a tiny lake I found near the first fast travel statue is probably not my forever home then
what is the deal with trying to place angled roof it won't snap right argh
upper imp
dangit daedream killed the pal I was trying to capture. you can't turn its passive off, can you
stuck cypress
dangit daedream killed the pal I was trying to capture. you can't turn its passi...
nope!
enjoy.
tame onyx
there's a passive skill called Mercy Hit, which prevents a pal from killing enemies
it's amazing on daedream
stuck cypress
I mean theres the other option of just
having 700+ balls and yeeting them relentlessly at whatever you're trying to catch
upper imp
might fuck around and go pal hunting at night for a second (or third, or twelfth) daedream with that passive then
stuck cypress
ah. I see. you have uncovered the Daydream Swarm strat
(which let us be clear, as good as it is, people overhype it a lot)
upper imp
the what? I was only gonna use one
I wasn't even thinking about that option because, well, my lv2 cattiva and some extra carry weight amirite
(yeah I'm an hour in)
upper imp
sounds like a great crutch for the first 20 levels and then lame
stuck cypress
its decent, but not really worth the hype
stuck cypress
sounds like a great crutch for the first 20 levels and then lame
basically. I mean with breeding you can make them fairly powerful but even still..... its just not really worth it.
you'd be better off spending the time you did that getting better gear for yourself.
because a lot of the mount pals you can get later on are so freakishly powerful they make Daydream spam look.... tame.
zealous needle
https://gbatemp.net/threads/us-patent-office-rejects-22-out-of-23-patent-claims-from-nintendo-amongst-palworld-lawsuit.666945/
https://gamesfray.com/nintendo-grappling-with-hard-choice-after-u-s-patent-office-overwhelmingly-rejected-anti-palworld-patent-application/
stuck cypress
https://gbatemp.net/threads/us-patent-office-rejects-22-out-of-23-patent-claims-...
Oh hey how’d I miss that. Awesome news.
Also you’re in the wrong channel.
hushed ravine
ah crab
minor wigeon
Wat pinged here
stuck cypress
Wat pinged here
Aisu sent a message in the wrong channel. something about vintage story bathtubbing.
knotty crypt
This is the first I've heard of it, so I must have missed that.
knotty crypt
yeah, they even added meowmere in the last big update
Sure, but I thought that was all they were doing.
loud mango
stuck cypress
Really? Terablade V Eye? Come on eye is dead in under a minute why are you scared lady?
knotty crypt
Coming back to Palworld now feels... weird.
I hadn't thought about it until I actually logged on to the server, but the last time I played this was two and a half weeks before my egg cracked.
I went to edit my character and all the female faces and hairstyles feel wrong. I ended up settling on Zoe's hat and giant comedy twintails.
tame onyx
they went way harder on the terraria crossover than i expected
seems like they made life crystals respawn too fast though
tame onyx
stuck cypress
Hah
knotty crypt
they went way harder on the terraria crossover than i expected
Right? I've seen entire games with less effort put into them than that one dungeon.
minor wigeon
Dont Starve have not bad crossover
gleaming fulcrum
