I still hate space combat.
#Starfield
mild bridge
also SysDef still hates me, but I can land on UC planets. logic.
honestly, I probably just need to build my own ship.
buuut given NG+ I dont want to.
so.... Ill do nothin instead.
and just complain.
solid solution.
mild bridge
rectifying former statement: 1V8 space combat sucks.
normal space combat is perfectly fine.
mild bridge
Mantis ||why..... hwy isn't the armor scaled..... I just..... why is this armor so garbage. it looks so cool. I want to use it..... why does it have to suck.....||
charred flower
Anyone want to riddle me how the heck I actually make tranquilitea?
I've done everything
And I can't in the galley nor pharma station
civic drift
Mantis ||why..... hwy isn't the armor scaled..... I just..... why is this armor ...
Yeeeeeah. It’s hot garbage. Even at a low level, debatably, it’s bad due to how much it weighs. Each piece is what, like 15 pounds?
charred flower
Or is 'used as a crafting material' completely skipping that step for something unrelated?
mild bridge
Yeeeeeah. It’s hot garbage. Even at a low level, debatably, it’s bad due to how ...
SWEET CHRIST.
civic drift
Oh, there are food magazines
mild bridge
this armor is GARBAGE
mild bridge
you get to be put into the forever box on the mantis ship mantis armor.
times like these, I wish, there was a cosmetic slot.
civic drift
I’ve only found 1 food magazine in all my time playing so far
vale pawn
I’ve only found 1 food magazine in all my time playing so far
sheperds pie?
civic drift
times like these, I wish, there was a cosmetic slot.
Even with a cosmetic slot, the armor is ugly. It could have looked way cooler, but even though this is sci fi, they made most armor function over form
charred flower
times like these, I wish, there was a cosmetic slot.
If only the game gave you a cosmetic option for all the equipments in the game and just unlocked the skin when you receive an item, allowing you to put it on any item of that type
But no they didn't implement cosmetics at all
mild bridge
Even with a cosmetic slot, the armor is ugly. It could have looked way cooler, b...
....... what do you mean. the armor looks awesome.
civic drift
We have different aesthetic tastes then
mild bridge
I guess so.
charred flower
....... what do you mean. the armor looks awesome.
Storm trooper armour
civic drift
But no they didn't implement cosmetics at all
They implemented it just enough to charge people extra on the premium edition
You get a skin for the cutter and equinox. That’s it
mild bridge
mild bridge
You get a skin for the cutter and equinox. That’s it
annnnnd 1 armor, 1 backpack, 1 helmet.
THATS IT
can't wait for modding to actually do something interesting with that slot
ya know, like letting us unlock and use it.
civic drift
Can’t wait for the anime waifu gun skins you mean
mild bridge
look, Im just saying, if thats what ends up happening, I wont say no to having hot waifus helping me gun down civilization one person at a time.
civic drift
There’s a gun in the well that has a sick corrosive skin, but it’s a T1 rifle, so it only does 3 damage
charred flower
Ah yes, the Crimson fleet, introduced to the player as 'credits over all else'
Thats why I get a faction bounty on me for taking a quest that generated with one of them as my target for a bounty, even though I'm supposedly friendly with the faction.
Exactly the same how I can't kill someone who I'm at odds with in their base because they 'belong to the faction', ignoring all their words about other BS
Exactly the same issue as skyrim, every single rule, if it gets broken, assumes the player did it
Anyone else can do anything, but if the player does it, all lore and logic go out the window
charred flower
Walters little building questline amuses me though, not a bad ship to gain for basically free?
I love how I'm more actively happy about the 65 aluminium they put in the ships cargo than the actual ship though
mild bridge
Exactly the same issue as skyrim, every single rule, if it gets broken, assumes ...
yup. good ol bethesda logic.
I personally, just ignore it. dont take contracts against factions you are a part of, unless you want to wipe that faction off the face of the universe.
charred flower
yup. good ol bethesda logic.
I personally, just ignore it. dont take contracts ...
Strangely it seems like they actually bothered to clear the bounty when I killed both ships in the system
Either that or I can't clear a crimson fleet bounty at the bounty clearance
mild bridge
so I mean, bounty not being cleared after killing all witnesses KINDA makes sense in this game.
from a point of view.
but yeah good luck
or just reload a save
charred flower
No I mean, apparently while it showed the bounty thing, it might have only been due to the second ship in the area, I don't think they turned hostile?
So where it would make sense, they apparently didn't do that
And now Jaz is just a confuse
Screw it I'll go back to the key and see
Huh yeah, not hostile
charred flower
It might entirely be the fact there was two ships in the system, so it decided I gained a bounty but actually bothered to clear it
I just found it weird personally that a faction that literally shows someone kill, over a disagreement of a few thousand credits, would put a bounty on you for doing just that
mild bridge
I just found it weird personally that a faction that literally shows someone kil...
oi. that was 12K credits.
not a few thousand
few means 3-5
charred flower
Chump change
mild bridge
I didn't say it wasn't a pittance.
Im just saying its not a few
also considering that the reward for siding with the CF is 250K credits, and thats supposed to be a massive score that lets the captains that earned their share become monsters on the battlefield.... well I think 12K credits is quite a lot for the average CFer
charred flower
Anyway time to waste a stupid amount of time shipbuilding when I plan to speedrun NG+ in a few hours or so
mild bridge
I really wish, that we could save ship blueprints.
so that when we DO NG+, we can just get the money we need, and then print out the ship again.
charred flower
You never really realise how many ship components make up your ship till you disassemble the whole thing
civic drift
god damn
dammit bethesda
why can't you just put vendor chests way lower under ground
very egregiously easy to discover vendor chests have been found in akila city
which is showcased in the latest camleworks video
charred flower
@mild bridge storage capacity is fun
mild bridge
yes it is.
mild bridge
why can't you just put vendor chests way lower under ground
thats what I wanted. but NOPE. NO CAN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
good news, some kind modder will fix it.
for now, I just ignore them.
charred flower
I don't even recognise it at this point
vale pawn
You turned the Frontire into a humpback caterpillar
charred flower
Now to work out if the last hour of me shipbuilding, has any of the actual interior modules linked up
Because they sometimes choose some of their connection directions can't be accessed
Yup, those close front three rooms you can see, like center screen stacked on top of each other?
Those are companion ways, intended to be blank rooms for 'connect to any direction'
None of them are connected to any part of the ship
Say hello to 'why did I even bother' the room
mild bridge
…… fun
charred flower
the game, when it 'generates' connections between rooms, doesn't seem to understand 'connect all of them'
mild bridge
rough forge
Really wish you could force door locations
charred flower
@thin pilot I'm here to ruin the game for you
The FOV when sprinting, only changes if you have a weapon out, without a weapon out, the FOV doesn't do that 'pull back' effect thing
And for anyone else who reads this, your welcome, you shall now no longer unsee that
thin pilot
Oh yeah i noticed that
charred flower
@mild bridge complaining more about the powers
||The precognition one, meant to tell you what the person is likely to answer, doesn't even give the correct variation of dialogue that your crew will say if theres more than one way they could say the option||
mild bridge
||love that.||
charred flower
Wait.
What date did the game release?
6th sept
Right, then early access
Wow...
I really didn't post it
And now I can't even check
Do I really have to try and go back like, 3 realtime weeks, to try and find a single interaction?
The game doesn't even keep those types of saves
I think I had a super rare interaction
And it happened within the first few days of playing
mild bridge
oh?
charred flower
||I think I met the hunter in the main city just as a wandering NPC, talked about being alone and a whole range of things. I'm almost 100% sure I talked with someone who was 'The X' of some kind, I only spoke to them because their name wasn't 'civilian'||
And that was like, within the first few quests
I swear I posted an image of the guy here commenting on it but I apparently didn't
I swear I had a casual chat with him though back when I was like below level 10
charred flower
No but like, thats the hunter right?
And I casually met them at L3 or something in the starter city
Like, first main quest level of new
charred flower
I don't recall the name exactly but I know it was two words, it was a title not just 'Hunter'
They had black armour and you could comment on it and a few things
thin pilot
Philosophy discussion
On what it means to be great and achieve great things and if it's fate or free will
charred flower
Yeah I'm like 80% sure mine was about being alone or something
thin pilot
both are thematic
charred flower
Anyway for any murder hobos out there at the end of the story
||Both of the star people are immortal but non interactable, couldn't pickpocket them, they couldn't die, the ship was immortal and reboarding after just makes them hostile if you attacked||
mild bridge
||this is bullshit. I demand murder.||
charred flower
Wait a minute
mild bridge
what are you considering
charred flower
what are you considering
Chlorine is a halogen and is typically found in nature in its ionic form, usually as chloride (Cl-), in its elemental form, chlorine (Cl2) is a yellow-green gas at room temperature and standard pressure. It's highly reactive, especially with substances like organic matter, and would not remain in elemental form for extended periods if exposed to other substances. The Earth's crust contains only about 0.017% chlorine by weight, which is far less abundant than oxygen and hydrogen, the components of water.
The notion of a lake or ocean made entirely of liquid chlorine is implausible under Earth-like conditions.
If I'm recalling and grabbing information correctly
mild bridge
o.... okay?
charred flower
You asked
Chlorine is too 'volatile' to turn into 'oceans of chlorine' but the game says earth is made up of it
That all the water was replaced by it
Even
mild bridge
thats..... absurd.
the more I play this game, the more I think they just threw things together and hoped it was right.
charred flower
Even if it was 50 degrees colder than the temp on our planet, chlorine would still be a gas
And SiH3Cl would itself be reactive with chlorine potentially
Which is the other blue thing there material/resource wise
Lol
I go on a rant about chlorine
The game crashes
"I've had enough of jazzes BS"
mild bridge
it heard you
charred flower
But seriously, chlorine boils at minus 35c approx and the earth they let you land on averages minus 1C
To solidify, which I assume they are trying to pretend is a thing, would be temps below minus 100C
mild bridge
except when harvested its stored as a gas
civic drift
I re-designed my monster
charred flower
This games 0 gravity zones, especially near the end quests annoy me
Did you know, zero gravity areas are player oriented. This means objects outside of them are still treated as if they are in zero gravity if the player is
Rather than have actual zero gravity areas, its just triggers to turn off universal gravity
rough forge
hahahah of course it works that way.
civic drift
Do you know how much more work and time and money would have to be spent to code gravity zones?
charred flower
"Next gen"
charred flower
For implementation though, I'm pretty sure its literally just a case of detecting if an object is within a predefined cube hitbox
Gravity already is a varable that can be altered, as shown literally by the different planet gravities
And they obviously zoned out the zero gravity areas based on all the other instances of them
mild bridge
yeah I got a question
wehre the hell are zero G areas
because Ive wanted to level the parkour power
and that requires kills in zero g
which seemingly DOESNT EXIST
civic drift
Bug fixed. Just deleted it and changed it to the A variant
charred flower
which seemingly DOESNT EXIST
I'm on like 'final plotline reveal dialogue log reading walking simulator' and I've yet to actually fight in zero g, so I'm with you in that unless it literally means the powers usage or something weird
mild bridge
"There's three major locations for Zero G kills. The Almagest in Olympus, Deimos Armoured Transport in Alpha Centauri and finally, Deserted Trade Authority Star Station in Valo." - reddit
whever the hell those are
civic drift
probably an achievement related to killing enough enemies in zero g
charred flower
I was given the choice, between one or the other
Jaz always chooses VIOLENCE
Well I guess, it is time for them to realise what it means to take on a Jaz
Yup, they just randomly decided Vlad is dead inside
The power has never worked on Vlad
civic drift
vlad is a robot confirmed
charred flower
Ok this whole game has managed to bring me back slightly on liking it
||I was just blitzing through grabbing the final artifacts, just deciding to start skipping looting and everything, just hit and run grab the key item, then hit NG+||
||I really didn't expect the shifting timeline right at the very end||
thin pilot
Its cooool
charred flower
I was writing off the game and they managed to do something interesting as the final stretch, I'll give them that one
thin pilot
||i would've preferred time travel, keep it a closed loop but i still really like it||
it gets more interesting in NG+
and the convos you can have with characters
charred flower
The game really didn't plan for me to have a cluster grenade shotgun and life sense
XD
Literal rambo
keen haven
or did it!
mild bridge
interesting.
charred flower
||i would've preferred time travel, keep it a closed loop but i still really lik...
Good to know the residents find all of this normal
Dude is literally sat on it
Apex hunter my ass XD
civic drift
I just noticed your character does a little animation when you grav jump
I've spent most of this game in 3rd person when flying my ship
so I only saw it just now
charred flower
I have almost exclusively played in first person tbh
Anyway thanks game for giving me a legendary set of gear as my very final mission before I have all my equipment wiped
Much appreciated
I'm definitely going to get milage out of assisted carry to drain 75% less O2 while running encumbered as I do the final missions
:/
charred flower
Absolutely no one in the real world should be trusted with the power of the stars from this game tbh. The moment you know you are going NG+ nothing stops you saying "I have a few more kills on this milestone I need to achieve, hey look a populated area"
Gur is already a few steps ahead on that though
keen haven
i play in third person all the time
civic drift
yoooo I just found a free cam mode in 3rd person while flying the ship
I held down the select button and while it's still attached to the ship, I can move it all around and look at everything
charred flower
I... Have no words...
I'm literally in the finale, people will know the specific scene, and somehow, finally Vlad is alive.
Ever since I got given the power I've just been spamming it on cooldown almost, and its wild the stupid things they try to get away with
I NOW KNOW HOW MY WEAPON FEELS, IT BURNS
||There was like 8 of them, firing what equates to hornets nest, chain shotguns, constantly||
keen haven
you gave him life!
charred flower
@thin pilot I broke the credits
Apparently they didn't plan for someone to actually get to the bottom, so I now have a black screen
They never actually set the credits scroll to end naturally
keen haven
seeing as you reached the ending
does it force you to go into new game + or can you chose to do it later and keep doing other stuff
charred flower
does it force you to go into new game + or can you chose to do it later and keep...
||As long as you don't have the armarillo thing completely filled, the game will just keep the quest in your log. But for instance if you complete it on your ship like I did, the next grav jump will end the game. I do not know what refusing unity does however.||
||So theres a chance even after you grav jump or whatever the outpost version is, that you can kickstart it later on after doing that.|| But yes, you do get warned a few times on the matter
keen haven
finally an answer!
charred flower
7 minutes after you posted must have been such a long wait \s
charred flower
Yup thats the joke
keen haven
i dont even have a way to count how long ive been waiting
im immune to spoilers and if i feel like someone is "trying" to help me by not spoiling things for me they get eviscerated for the crimes
charred flower
Is that you indirectly trying to tell me off for providing the information on reuqest, barely like, 90 minutes or so after I got an answer myself?
keen haven
no its more me telling everyone else off for who thinks of attempting withhold things
civic drift
thats why i put stuff in spoilers
keen haven
i have it set so that spoilers un spoil for me so i dont have to click on them to read
civic drift
if you want the info, you click at your own risk and can't be mad if you see it
i did not know that was an option
keen haven
i think this one is completely mis understanding everything ive been sayiing
i want people to tell me things
i dont get angry cause i dont care about spoilers
i want to know everything
civic drift
yeah i am the opposite. i prefer not to be spoiled unless i directly ask
keen haven
its why i seriously dont care ill look at every trailer to learn as much as possible about the game
charred flower
i have it set so that spoilers un spoil for me so i dont have to click on them t...
I tend to only have spoilers disabled on servers I admin for tbh. Otherwise I like to value the few things I have yet to learn myself
keen haven
well that and that one time when it was a bunch of people in a seperate discussion thing and it was just full of spoiler tags and i had enough of clicking on them all un spoilering them
mild bridge
combat actually dangerous on very hard
That it can be. I recommend the solution known as overwhelming firepower.
charred flower
That it can be. I recommend the solution known as overwhelming firepower.
I regret that shotgun
civic drift
Yeah I have a particle shotgun for when no other weapon is working
I don’t use it often cause it can damage my follower
charred flower
More because of that one final enemy after the mine elevator in the final quest stuff
I think I'll use handguns only this time around
keen haven
im mostly carrying all the guns i like to use
ive only put a few im saving up on ammo in my box cause i had barely any ammo for them
perks of having maxed out weight limit
civic drift
At least people won’t have a hard time trying 1 HP runs
keen haven
that was hilarious to me when i realized i could get away so hard with being overweight
i dont go to the point of low health i just controlled my stamina
but i got weight max level now
somber creek
so I finished the mantis quest, and decided to fly around with || the ship and armor || for a while, and I learned || The random ship encounters can change when you are the mantis ||
charred flower
My favourite thing was when I went to live with the crimson fleet and had always kept it equipped. I almost wish there was an inherent 'forced faction bias' for wearing a full suit of some types
keen haven
i honestly did put 1 point into food gives me more health just so it was actually getting useful to eat it all gone
civic drift
like most bethesda games, food just gets ignored cause they're afraid of making it actually powerful
keen haven
kinda depends ive yet to go all the way into the food eating perk and havent really looked at others using it so i have no idea of the result of maxed out food eating perk
civic drift
yeah, I was planning on investing in it
just to see what all the recipes were
I'm probably going to google to see if there are any common spawns for the food magazines
I'm fine with the incremental upgrades of all the others, but the food magazines actually give recipes
keen haven
you misunderstand
im not talking about the recipe food perk
im talking about the eating food perk gives you more healing perk!
civic drift
oh, i see
I don't want to have to invest precious perk points into a perk that just increases food's healing capability
keen haven
if its infinite levels there not really precious points
civic drift
it's theoretically infinite levels
but do you know how vicisouly they scale xp for later levels in bethesda games?
@mild bridge You're real high level, let us know, how's your xp count until your next level?
keen haven
still doesnt make them precious in my eyes at least i finally got to master level lock breaking
charred flower
<@202944248801263616> You're real high level, let us know, how's your xp count u...
For the sake of it, to level from 395 to 396 it takes 138501xp
charred flower
Also, I'm happy with the kiddie stuff perk. Even if I had to console it in for NG+ since I planned to do perkless and then have: dream home, kiddie stuff & adoring fan from NG+ onwards
Dream home is a lot less valuable to me overall, but kiddie stuff seems 100% worth it
Since this is a ||food recipe|| you get from the kiddie stuff perk
Its that last effect I think a lot of people might value
Theres a handful of things that provide it I've found, but some of them ask for weird things
somber creek
they fixed the accessible vendor chests
civic drift
How y’all been doing in starfield
mild bridge
Fine
civic drift
Have you ||looooooooooooooooooped|| yet?
mild bridge
Nah
My mouse is kinda dying
Not really able to pc right now
Which is really getting on my nerves
charred flower
This is why I have a spare mouse and headset so I never get impacted by problems like that
rough forge
I have a spare somewhere. Think it's in my laptop bag. Otherwise I think my old mouse is in the cable tote
charred flower
I had issues with it in the past, completely disrupting streaming or D&D, so I when I bought replacements one time, I bought double to save me the effort. Bonus points that the headset was on sale for like 40% off
mild bridge
This is why I have a spare mouse and headset so I never get impacted by problems...
I have space mice, just not spare mmo mice.
And I bind a lot of buttons to the mmo section
thin pilot
i have a wired mouse, but 100% gonna get a removable wire mouse next
civic drift
And I bind a lot of buttons to the mmo section
do you have the mouse that has a whole mini keyboard mounted to the top of it?
mild bridge
do you have the mouse that has a whole mini keyboard mounted to the top of it?
Nope. Sounds fun. Only got a numpad.
mild bridge
i have a wired mouse, but 100% gonna get a removable wire mouse next
MY MOUSE IS WIRED
thin pilot
How old is it?
civic drift
mine is like 2 years old
thin pilot
5 years with our usage of computers? makes sense for it to start dying
civic drift
I'm getting the wireless version after this one dies
mild bridge
I guess
civic drift
it's a logitech G502 Hero
I only found out it had a wireless version when I asked a streamer I enjoy what his mouse was
I also want a wireless gaming keyboard
I depsise wires
and I don't play in any super competitive circles where a quarter of a milisecond of faster response time gets me a win
so I really don't need wired stuff
thin pilot
the poor FF clickes
civic drift
yeah, I bet it was the wall of cargo containers that did it in
rough forge
Running a Steel Series Rival 3 myself. Actually all my pc accessories are SS right now
civic drift
I kinda have lorge hands (palms) so finding the right mouse is hard sometimes. So I stick with logitech cause those work well for me
vale pawn
Sadly think the battery in my MX ergo is going
need to look up to see if I can replace it
hell yea just a drop in replacment
mild bridge
yeah, I bet it was the wall of cargo containers that did it in
you know that doesnt happen with clicking right?
thats just hitting E
a lot.
mild bridge
5 years of Gurm grinding
now see that, thats what did it in.
so much clicking
hell I got an RSI once from FF14 grinding
painful times
civic drift
you know that doesnt happen with clicking right?
No, I didn’t know that. I play with a controller, so I didn’t know what button you press for it.
mild bridge
Huh
Yeah.
Now LINKING all the containers
That might do it
Linking requires right click, and you can’t mass do it
For some ungodly reason
keen haven
No, I didn’t know that. I play with a controller, so I didn’t know what button y...
yeh how dare they keep assuming we are keyboard users
mild bridge
@thin pilot correction: that mouse apparently lasted a year….. god it felt so much longer.
Time to find something new
Good news: the replacement is arriving tomorrow morning
Yey
civic drift
I see we’ve exited the honeymoon phase of Starfield
thin pilot
It feels a bit too mean, but its still a good game
I love playing it and feeling like a spacer
mild bridge
I see we’ve exited the honeymoon phase of Starfield
The honeymoon phase ended after the first crash and first NPC chest was found.
thin pilot
I really feel like NPC chests are massively blown out of proportion
rough forge
They are. The issue isn't the fact that people keep finding them though. It's the fact that it's been an issue with the past Bethesda games for a long time now and they still fail to hide them well or just not have them
It's not the chest that the issue. It's the implications of the tech they use that their newest game is running on really old broken code
mild bridge
I really feel like NPC chests are massively blown out of proportion
It’s lazy.
That’s my issue
rough forge
Then Todd Howard says the game is "pushing the limits and gamers need to upgrade their PCs"
mild bridge
It would have taken 5 more seconds to lower them
thin pilot
That was a dick move
mild bridge
Then Todd Howard says the game is "pushing the limits and gamers need to upgrade...
Ew
rough forge
To what Todd? Is my 3060 not good enough? Do I need a 4080?
thin pilot
Its getting there
mild bridge
Todd.
mild bridge
Its getting there
It’s really not
thin pilot
I'd say the 1080 is just at the end of its lifespan and you've put it through hell and back
keen haven
genuinely i think it just needs a 3070/80
rough forge
1080 might be a bit of an older card but those things were beasts
thin pilot
I can't commit on that one despite having a 3070, my CPU is under the minimum specs so my experience was impacted by that
rough forge
I met the reccomended requirements and ran the game at a constant 45fps on medium settings. I am kinda mad at that
mild bridge
1080 might be a bit of an older card but those things were beasts
It was a monster, and still runs things perfectly fine. But big America thinks it’s getting too old which pissed me off.
I can run cyberpunk on high with next to no lag. Ya know. The pc melter game.
thin pilot
This game is still such a joy for me to play, no other game comes close to replicating the experience it has
rough forge
The issue isn't the age of the card but the industries over reliance on new tech and lack of proper optimization.
mild bridge
Yeah.
keen haven
i can commit to it granted mine is a RTX over the one (i forgot the name of the other one just now)
rough forge
Make the game run better? Nah slap some DLSS in there and call it good
mild bridge
This game is still such a joy for me to play, no other game comes close to repli...
It’s a fun game. I very much like. If only that leveling curve was less god damned toxic.
thin pilot
If people do know other Firefly-Esque games, ping me because i am dying to play some more
rough forge
Oh wait, starfield skipped DLSS for it's launch for the less popular cousin FSR that works better the minority of cards
thin pilot
But nothing else really scratches that Firefly/Han Solo/Ringworld itch
That part i don't blame them for, that was clearly a marketing decision done without the knowledge/input of the dev team
so personally i can't find enough reason to be mad at the game, rather i'm mad at the company
keen haven
to do like the whole the ship is my home over the your in a starfighter from No mans sky
rough forge
Well yeah. The only time to ever be mad with a game is when RNG falls out of favor. Every bad thing in a game is a decision from the company. Starfield isn't running poorly because it wants to. It's running poorly because Bethesda didn't want to delay it any further or manage the game better
thin pilot
Mad with the game developers* sorry
wasn't clear enough
because my gut says they weren't consulted for the partnership with AMD
thin pilot
Like, for this game i can't get that mad at the game devs. They're working with what they got. were they lazy? yeah and it shows and drags the game down quite a bit. were they bad? i don't think so. But the marketing/mangement team? those guys need to be fired. the marketing on this game was a mess, nothing was explained and defined, the decisions for the gameplay loops don't make sense, its just a mess of upper-management stuff
and it fucking sucks
Instead of it being a good, fun game. it could have been an excellent game with as little as another year of development
mild bridge
If people do know other Firefly-Esque games, ping me because i am dying to play ...
No damned idea.
rough forge
Nah marketing did great. They made the game look better and helped generate sales.
keen haven
i will say after this i genuinely want to redownload and continue with no mans sky
thin pilot
Marketing FAQ people i mean
keen haven
like its literally rebirthing this itch for me
thin pilot
sorry, really tired and can't explain well
Like they didn't clarify the space stuff at ALL
rough forge
Yeah the game did really make me wanna replay NMS. Which really speaks to how little I was liking it.
rough forge
Like they didn't clarify the space stuff at ALL
Yeah that's the point? Why would they have said "Space? Ahj yeah that's just loads of loading"
thin pilot
At least with Starfield you had a plot/mystery to go to. NMS's just feels... bad? but that may because i've played through it so many times
thats fair
and a good point, not advertising its flaws
I will say though, i am sick of proc-generated worlds/universes
for space games specifically
keen haven
thats the thing though Weegy in space most dont want direction we just want to roam
thin pilot
Starfield was okay because it had a few recongizable locations you could navigate around
NMS just, finding a cool planet doesn't feel satisfying to me because i'm going to warp away and never visit it again
rough forge
Least I found cool planets there
thin pilot
Yeah
my issue is that you're actively encouraged to move onto the next world, and onto the next. i like the exploration but it feels inconsequential to explore which to me at least, wasn't appealing
mild bridge
I wish there were more vertical planets
thin pilot
aw that would be cool
mild bridge
Not nearly enough mountany planets
thin pilot
Like massive trenches
keen haven
now that is something Astroneer would give you
mild bridge
Yeah
keen haven
trenches
mild bridge
True
thin pilot
I feel like thats an issue with the engine of NMS
keen haven
to fall straight into like a dumb dumb
mild bridge
But no combat
keen haven
mild bridge
I feel like thats an issue with the engine of NMS
It’s an issue with most engines. Vertical render distance.
Rendering things on a flat plane, not too hard.
Add massive hills cliffs and LOS blockers
There’s problems
rough forge
I started the game out thinking, "okay the gameplay is better than I was expecting. Kinda excited for it to open up now" Then 30 hours went buy and I realized that was it. The game didn't have anything else to show me. I checked out some gameplay of the later powers and saw no reason to continue playing
thin pilot
yeah the powers are underwhelming
mild bridge
And apparently half broken
thin pilot
I don't think so, their just so underwhelming people think their broken
keen haven
i was mostly disappointed when i saw the form powers hoping they were some drastic change thing but its just nah invisible or stone man
thin pilot
which is a bigger issue
then them being broken
cause you can fix broken powers easily
rough forge
I had the same issue with the dragon shouts in skyrim. Fus was decent but they were all underwhelming
thin pilot
but if your whole powers are bad, you can't fix that with balance/bug fixes. that requires a whole big rework
thin pilot
and from my experience with them, thats the conclusion i've come too
rather then just broken/bugged
its possible
but i don't see bethesda doing it
mild bridge
Yup
rough forge
Bethesda doesnt fix things. They let modders fix the same bugs that have been in the last 3 games
thin pilot
despite it being so-so
mild bridge
Just now…. Not so much
rough forge
That's one of the reasons mods come out so quickly.
thin pilot
the fact that it offers that experience of firefly, makes me confident it'll take off
mild bridge
Bethesda doesnt fix things. They let modders fix the same bugs that have been in...
“The fans will fix it anyways so we don’t care”
thin pilot
either in homebrew/modded games like how skyrim had TWO separate games modded in it then made into their own game
mild bridge
Now I just need a spaceship with a dragon animation
thin pilot
or just simple additions/mods
rough forge
the fact that it offers that experience of firefly, makes me confident it'll tak...
Initial excitement followed by disappointment when you realize that's it?
mild bridge
keen haven
what kind of dragon animation
mild bridge
what kind of dragon animation
The song reference kind.
rough forge
I had low hopes for the game. It picked them up and dug a bigger hole to drop them in
keen haven
so the wyvern kind
thin pilot
I've been wanting a game that scratches this itch for the better part of a decade, and finding games that only do 30-50% of what i wanted out of a game. while this offers a good 80% of what i wanted to do
Did it live up to my expectations once i got 50 hours in? no, not really
Did it fail them? not really either
I'm just content that it exists, a flawed experience is better then no experience
rough forge
That is true
Would rather it have not been a $70 experience. I could have thrown that money away in lottery tickets
thin pilot
Like, this is my childhood dream. being able to fully build and explore my own ship while exploring a galaxy and uncovering a mystery
mild bridge
Cool
thin pilot
For most people, yeah its not worth it
But i'd say for the 150 i paid up? i'm content with it
rough forge
My issue is, I can't fully explore the ship. And for myseterys to work you have to care about the mystery
mild bridge
My dream game is cubeworld done right.
thin pilot
But this has gotten off track, its a flawed game majorly
mild bridge
Somewhat
thin pilot
apologies for veering off and making it my perspective
rough forge
Like I feel bad shitting on the game, but I paid for it and shitting on it has been more fun so this is how I'm getting my moneys worth
thin pilot
Yeah but i feel rude
mild bridge
Just don’t get blinded by it.
thin pilot
And pushy, so sorry about
mild bridge
Yeah but i feel rude
You weren’t this time.
thin pilot
that*
mild bridge
thin pilot
and hey, at least its not starbase
rough forge
If anything I would be the rude one here? I'm taking the thing you love and treating it like the old dude treated the bathroom floor as mentioned in #minionbot-lounge
thin pilot
Nah you aren't
mild bridge
Nah
thin pilot
Its valid complaints
rough forge
Okay fine. Game is stupid ugly and has optional pronous pushing the woke agenda to turn the frogs gay
mild bridge
Hugs for all
mild bridge
Okay fine. Game is stupid ugly and has optional pronous pushing the woke agenda ...
Godvdamnit mini!
thin pilot
Now that was stupid. like i didn't even notice the pronouns option
mild bridge
Someone blue pill him again!
thin pilot
I legitimately for 30+ hours of gametime, people were making that up to be mad at
Because it was such a tiny option i just... didn't see
thin pilot
What i think we can all agree on though is the prospects of the future, specifically future space games
mild bridge
I should be able to rework my play style once I truly figure it out
thin pilot
Like all the devs sharing mini's view and going "fine i'll make it myself"
mild bridge
Or collect more than 3 traits
mild bridge
What i think we can all agree on though is the prospects of the future, specific...
Probably
thin pilot
and the fact it proves that a space game can be finished(cough elite dangerous, cough star citizen, cough, starbase, cough, space engineers)
rough forge
That's a depressing finished but I get what you're saying
thin pilot
It is, and it sucks
rough forge
Like imagine if another studio released it as finished.
There's be a lot more critism over the games current state
But it's what peopel expect from Bethesda
thin pilot
from a story perspective its conclusive, which is nice in the day and age of Live-service bullshit
keen haven
As the outside observer you both have points
are you though? you have also played the game
rough forge
It's been a long time since a game story has met my standards. I don't feel like they're that high but I guess they must be since Nier Automata has been the only one in years to do it. Most of them fall flat for me
thin pilot
last game that really impressed me, funnily enough was star wars:Skywalker Saga
But that feels like cheating
Since its a lego game
civic drift
from a story perspective its conclusive, which is nice in the day and age of Liv...
I love fallout 76 to death but I realized that I can’t play it due to FOMO. The constant seasons just stress me out. So I agree on this point about starfield being at least conclusive
thin pilot
the cheat code of video games
keen haven
crap i need to remember what the last major game i played was now
mild bridge
are you though? you have also played the game
And i@haven’t really formed an opinion yet good or bad
civic drift
The Witcher 3 is still one of my all time favorites
keen haven
my opinion is not bad but No mans Sky is my itch
civic drift
I love how side quests are handled in that game
civic drift
Geralt isn’t for everyone
thin pilot
and i played all 3 games back-to-back
keen haven
starfield is definitely the go to if you in for space story and No mans sky is if your in for exploration and wandering about etc
civic drift
and i played all 3 games back-to-back
That was your first mistake
thin pilot
oh god yes
civic drift
Thankfully they’re remaking the first two
rough forge
I started Witcher 1 and decided I would rather hope for a remaster. That gameplay was not working for me
civic drift
Just wait for the remake
thin pilot
The gameplay is just... Stabbing yourself
keen haven
i got till nearly the end of witcher 2 but got lost in the big city area
like literally i was looking at the map and had no idea how the hell to get to where i needed to go
i didnt even properly know where i was
civic drift
I actually did not even make it out of the forest area in Witcher 2
rough forge
The gameplay is just... Stabbing yourself
False. I've done that multiple times. I only tried the Witcher 1 twice
thin pilot
That's a shame, witcher 2 is probably the best
thin pilot
A) we care for you please don't do that B) twice was too many
civic drift
Witcher 2 combat is in a weird transition state. It’s not quite the same as Witcher 1, but it hasn’t reached Witcher 3 yet
thin pilot
Story wise it was great because it had a similar quality to w3(if a bit worse) but it was much, much more focused
civic drift
I actually got through a good portion of Witcher 1
keen haven
my only thing against witcher 3 for me was when i was staring at trees that were far away thinking "man the wind must be hella strong with how much those trees are swaying"
charred flower
Y'all were shttalkin without me?
charred flower
To completely force the whole conversation back on that track for 5 minutes just to sht on @thin pilot favourite thing
My issues with the game; honestly are only very few.
My issues are the fact the company hired people who didn't have a preschool level of knowledge in science and astrology.
And my issues are the fact that some prick was made to be the 'face' of the thing, while directly antagonising gamers
Functionally, while I've complained powers don't work half the time, in many cases its 'understandable' even if stupid, that scripted events or specific NPCs who you never 'see' in combat, would ever need to qualify for those things. Same goes for a variety of issues.
They could have done more, been less lazy, sure. But I could say the same thing every time I sit down to write one of my 20 different projects, be it programming, writing/stories, worldbuilding.
My issues that I would punch todd over, other than him being himself, is pretty much just that they could have paid someone with a basic high school pass, to get the core 'space' facts right, flags bleaching hundreds of years later and any number of stupid details.
Beyond that, eh, its about the 'sub standard' I would expect from most games in general.
So my entire issue stems from the clear fact that no one really cared about that entire aspect of the game, and the company behind it all who cared more about the 'face' of their big boss, than doing something good
civic drift
Todd didn’t use to be at such odds with the fans, I don’t think.
But yeah it’s not great
charred flower
I've said it kind of directly to weegy, and this is something people don't always get to know about me
civic drift
My issue is this $60 game crashes constantly. It crashes more than grounded did on my Xbox one
I’m playing on an Xbox S now and it’s crashing so much
Like every hour
It wouldn’t be so bad if I wasn’t forcibly ejected constantly
I can play a mediocre game for hours if I can get into the rhythm
charred flower
PsiΦPhiΦ🍙Jaz🍙 — 30/08/2023 22:07
Well that solves that part of me not caring about the game I guess.
It just happens to fall into 'space' as a genre and I just really don't care usually about the genre
I as a person, 'hate' space, it doesn't interest me in stories, neither does guns. In almost every story and situation, ones that focus on 'higher advanced tech' people can pull whatever they want out their ass and 'suddenly solve everything'
I hate that space games basically get a free pass on things, I hate that 'gun' games make bullet sponges and the like because they can't do 'difficulty' any other way.
Guns in a story, especially written become entirely a case of either 'one shot and the persons dead', or 'numerous scenes of supposed combat tactics in an environment the reader can't see to sound cool'
Space games aren't my thing for a variety of reasons, I don't like the over emphasis people have on exploring space over exploring the sea and the egos people try to attach to it, 'first to the moon', not exactly a challenge when you are the only one trying. Like to forget that the russians only cared about the 'to space' part and had a massive internal problem collapsing their program.
Space games, while I can admit they are fun, and I did enjoy playing starfield and I like playing astroneer and space engineers and a whole variety of things. They aren't an experience I seek out, I don't relate, one of the things I just can't understand
charred flower
> PsiΦPhiΦ🍙Jaz🍙 — 30/08/2023 22:07
> Well that solves that part of me not cari...
For that same reason though, it is why No man sky is about the same rating as astroneer, and the same rating as Starfield for me. It isn't like I'm rating them 'low' for what they are, I just don't mesh well with the games, especially when the part I care about, the details, the accuracy on the bits that would have taken a few seconds to look up in google, are the issue.
And yes, for one of the few times people can call me out, because I love modular designing, so the weapons upgrade system is always something I have fun with if its done properly. Even though for a story focus I dislike guns
civic drift
did you just say $60
is that not what it was priced at?
My dad bought the premium edition so I assumed it was $60 at the least
charred flower
If its priced at £60 for me, that would make it like $80 american at least
The premium upgrade is £30 and the 'full premium and base' is £86
Which would be like, $40 and $100?
keen haven
60 and 100
charred flower
I've not kept an eye on conversion rates in a while
rough forge
Starfield base is $70
civic drift
god damn
charred flower
civic drift
$30 extra for a couple skins and the art book
wow
that's a new level of horse armor
keen haven
and for aussies its basically $120 as i relook at the steam
charred flower
Horse armour? Funny you should say that
thin pilot
And the dlc cobra
charred flower
Wasn't there a thing happening for some game soon that did have horse armour?
Discord
civic drift
what's the dlc
thin pilot
There was cyberpunk that gave you a special weapon skin if you bought two gift subs on twitch
charred flower
And their profile banner things
civic drift
how much content does it add
thin pilot
what's the dlc
Shattered space, just prebuying that
charred flower
The headset thing I have which was one of the 'free' ones
Discord did a horse armour on basic cosmetics, and even made their nitro 'premium' cost less
Decorations discord calls them
Basically horse armour
charred flower
There are like, 4 types of people in this world.
Those who didn't use nitro
Those who use nitro and use the free ones
Those who bought the one like liked with or without the nitro 'discount'
The idiots who bought them all out for no reason
<.<
civic drift
hye y'all, do I need to avoid ||collecting artifact Mu to get the rest of the powers|| before activating NG+?
mild bridge
@charred flower we got a NG+ quetion over here.
charred flower
hye y'all, do I need to avoid ||collecting artifact Mu to get the rest of the po...
The button for NG+ is very specific and finite, as long as you don't turn in the shards, nothing can happen
Heck, when you decide to press the NG+ button the game goes 'hey wanna go victory lap chat with everyone'
Well, just before that I guess
But yeah it did seem completely tied to storing all the shards
civic drift
okay good
now how do I get all ||powers||
cause vlad isn't giving me any more locations and I'm missing 2
keen haven
check your missions?
civic drift
charred flower
cause vlad isn't giving me any more locations and I'm missing 2
I'm like 90% sure they don't unlock all of them in the first run? Unless you haven't completed the main quest where they hand you a bunch of random ones just before the end. I read something about the powers having ||varients|| and NG+ kinda facilitating finding those as well
Sorry, I woke up and jumped in VR kind of first thing, so wasn't keeping an eye, literally on my computer
charred flower
Yuuuuup
And unlike your starting armour, ||doesn't upgrade through each NG+|| afaik
fair orbit
Apparently everyone you ||restart the game ||it’s stats go up
civic drift
the ship goes up to like +5 or +6 I think
saw that online
the armor is banger
but like, the ship couldn't even take down a single level 14 va'ruun ship
maybe if I had multiple levels in various ship skills it would have been a bit better
keen haven
ive only just started on putting some points into ship things
fair orbit
worn bear
They released the files! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KryI4jQIeWQ
vale pawn
thin pilot
I know for a fact i'm in the minority here, but i like them
their just a calming... intermission between the games regular stuff
keen haven
Weegy is clearly insane cause im already gamed out for Starfield
was funny though after i got the blast attack fighting a starborn thinking "oh wait i can blast people now" and proceed to fire space magic at him
charred flower
Honestly the telefrag annoys me more
Since as I've said before, the detect life power that literally 'detects life of humans and starborn'
Fails to detect them till they decide to spawn them actively in front of you
keen haven
i saw it as it would not see them cause they werent actually there till they teleported in
also forgot about detect life i was wanting to use that
charred flower
i saw it as it would not see them cause they werent actually there till they tel...
That argument only holds as valid when you ignore the fact that I actively watched an NPC walk over to the specific spot in the lodge for that one event, where the starborn apparently 'teleported' into ||holding someone hostage||
I actively saw the NPC run over to the designated spot, spammed the power a few times, and only after they decided 'event start' did the starborn register on the skill
So I basically ||watched Walter hold himself hostage for a good 5-10 seconds||
Before the thing actually bothered to spawn the starborn
keen haven
that still feels like a they teleported in moment to me
charred flower
Walter was in the middle of the animation when I triggered the ability
So unless the 'they teleported' has weird 10 seconds worth of immunity to the power
Its stupid
And all that assuming that 'they teleported' is the answer, when every single time it is shown as more of a cloak ability
Because the times they do teleport has actual effects
Not power detected effects though, they still somehow magically avoid all that. Because 'manmade cloaking tech' is superior to 'magic BS star power'
keen haven
i say that cause everytime i get attacked it really does look like they deep strike in
that is a good question though can you see yourself with detect life?
charred flower
If you choose the lodge option at that specific 'event', you'll see them teleporting around within areas
charred flower
i say that cause everytime i get attacked it really does look like they deep str...
Either way, teleporting or cloaking
Whenever the game feels like, I'd love that tech or ability that they clearly BSed their way in to solving plot holes otherwise
I expect cloaking is some sort of power based on skyrim having invisibility, but thats never stopped their original 'detect life' stuff
keen haven
there is suit cloaking, weird perk unlocked stealth cloaking and then cosmic magic OOH HA HA stealth
keen haven
@mild bridge HORUS!
mild bridge
I MUST BUILD A BASE THERE
wolf system.... gotta find that
gotta build a base that is worthy of the space wolves
keen haven
its basically around the far left somewhere
very early easy system really
and you dare insult the Sons of Horus with a space wolves base!
somber creek
vale pawn
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/17isvfm/starstation_outposts_discovered_in_the_game_files/
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/6099
mild bridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhnn-XI7Kj8
holy crap I need to play more starfield
vale pawn
||Ok meeting yourself is a bit unexpected||
||wow the second one is kinda sad||
||3rd is weird, one star constelation you could say||
||8th with Evil you is interesting||
||dang the Kids one kinda makes me think that you just vanish from your own universe without a trace||
thin pilot
||dang the Kids one kinda makes me think that you just vanish from your own univ...
||thats how it is||
you just... blip
somber creek
thin pilot
It's not the only one as well
I posted a video of all the variations you can get
It's incredible
somber creek
mild bridge
Woot woot!
vale pawn
We still using this?
https://www.pcgamer.com/starfield-data-miners-uncover-fossilized-remains-of-a-much-cooler-more-hardcore-game-tucked-away-in-its-files-we-had-a-washed-version-of-the-game/
rough forge
Because that might be difficult and we all know Bethesda is terrified of making players do hard things
thin pilot
my gut wants to say that ED's last expansion's failure had something to do with it
that being serious then flopped made them decide to play it safe
the starmap there is so much nicer then what we have though
Everything about the game(good and bad) to me screams largely outside influences, rather then internal
game X got bad reception so they scrapped features in common with it
mild bridge
ED?
thin pilot
Elite dangerous and the flop of Odyssey
mild bridge
Ah
I mean I’d have liked fuel to actually matter
And for space travel to not be so automatic.
But, as is, it’s an acceptable system, although modding can fix it
Quite easily.
I’d bet money on a “campfire” esc mod coming out for starfield very shortly after release.
mild bridge
…… the hyper realism Skyrim mod
That’s an actual nightmare to play but really addictive.
mild bridge
I see
vale pawn
mild bridge
Woo!
mild bridge
Woo wooooo!
vale pawn
mild bridge
Man modded starfield is going to be so fun
vale pawn
mild bridge
its almost like they've been frothing at the bit for modding abilities and finally they got them
thin pilot
Modding abilities are a few months old at this point
vale pawn
they had tools but not much base material to work with
thin pilot
yeah
well
sorta
they got full creation kit
just nothing easily moddable like a vehicle
the Moon Rover looks amazing
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