mystic zinc
By SamosTheSage
1 wide tileable mixed loader which can load multiple item types into boxes at hopperspeed
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keen isle
Probably should add the note about reset times since we are just taking this from std #750351838783733850 message
sudden merlin
I would also personally archive #750351838783733850 message instead because it is way more reliable with water output (also maybe switch it to hopperline box distribution because it's more common)
keen isle
It says 1 in 100k fails? That’s not better…
And the one you link already has hopper box distro, so not sure if you linked the right one.
For water output, the archived one is probably reliable if the stream is flowing away from the box
But both are terrible compared to new designs if we finish testing them…
sudden merlin
if you had actually looked into it, that is 1 in 100k in targeted testing with adjacent slice activation #1022865003059093504 message
afaik this layout is 100% reliable when not tiled, and the original (by samos) has much less reliable collection even when not tiled (talking about waterstream collection of course, but do not think hopper collection fixes any issues)
by the hopperline distribution i was referring to changing the current one, which i guess with my original suggestion is a change already made so I see the confusion
keen isle
This kind of hopper collection will not fix the issue, but a block higher it should #1022865003059093504 message
sudden merlin
No, it won't, it will make it slightly rarer but probably 100x more common than the issue with the design i suggested
keen isle
No, it won't, it will make it slightly rarer but probably 100x more common than ...
should I even bother with this? have you guys even actually tested that design for yourself? I HAVE.
edit, some notes:
keen isle
please don't make jokes/insults before listening to the other side and clearly explaining your opinion
keen isle
if you had actually looked into it, that is 1 in 100k in targeted testing with a...
the error in that design isn't about tileability, but about the piston 'sucking' the box up above it. a hopper below will NOT fix that problem, nor will tiling it less
keen isle
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are you guys claiming this is unreliable? that's all I meant by moving the hopperline up
oh crap
molten scaffoldBOT
are you guys claiming this is unreliable? that's all I meant by moving the hoppe...
@sudden merlin @keen isle @hexed lotus ML010 is the 1wt [hopperspeed](#1454937395693879409 message) [mixed loader](#1454753713024405588 message) by SamosTheSage. It claims a box loss rate around 1 in 50 million.
Box loaders like this have known issues where shulkers can get stuck in the gap above hoppers from piston timing and hitbox problems, so hoppers below might miss them sometimes.
No specific data on water output or hopperline height changes. Got test numbers from your setups?
keen isle
accidental llamabot trigger
sudden merlin
are you guys claiming this is unreliable? that's all I meant by moving the hoppe...
Yes, it is very unreliable when tiled
sudden merlin
the error in that design isn't about tileability, but about the piston 'sucking'...
are you referring to the samos loader or other one in this
keen isle
anyway, I probably should've been more clear in my earlier comment:
sudden merlin
should I even bother with this? have you guys even actually tested that design f...
I don't need to test it myself, this is known #749138338648424530 message
sudden merlin
anyway, I probably should've been more clear in my earlier comment:
1. the hoppe...
keen isle
I don't need to test it myself, this is known https://discord.com/channels/74854...
'known by all' except those who weren't in that conversation because no one has compiled all of these together
that's a new one to me, thanks for letting me know
adding it to my list
hexed lotus
should I even bother with this? have you guys even actually tested that design f...
"I HAVE"
"that's a new one"
keen isle
"that's a new one"
this was to samos' design
keen isle
that's a new one to me, thanks for letting me know
you can enjoy that your meme was right about this, but do not misquote other conversations
and since you've been around, you should know how much I've asked for people to make a list of these failures but no one has done much about it
and when etikle asked a while ago, I pasted a pile of links, and then maybe only one other person pasted a link or two
sudden merlin
and since you've been around, you should know how much I've asked for people to ...
to be fair walter's test was after you opened that thread iirc
keen isle
to be fair walter's test was after you opened that thread iirc
this is 2022 (before I started the thread) and not in a thread I started #1022865003059093504 message
sudden merlin
no i was referring to #749138338648424530 message, mb
keen isle
that one isn't even in a thread
but it is recent
so what is this about then? #1022865003059093504 message
If it there is a hopper directly next to where it pushes all boxes will all be collected
old knowledge?
anyway, imo, given these are both unreliable and already archived in std, I say eject both from this archive (well, heilz's isn't even in yet…), or at least mention their unreliabilities (do we have a tag for that? just 'broken'?)
funny… Heilz didn't even want it to be called his loader… #749137424684285992 message
Made by: too many people to count (I do not claim credit this)
sudden merlin
so what is this about then? https://discord.com/channels/748542142347083868/1022...
the issue when tiled is slightly different, an adjacent slice breaking its box will first put the slice's hopper into cooldown, and then the item will be able to go up and get stuck on top of the newly placed box
(it can put it into cooldown even if the hoppers are all pointing down)
sudden merlin
anyway, imo, given these are both unreliable and already archived in std, I say ...
applying the broken tag would also suggest applying it to designs like https://discord.com/channels/1375556143186837695/1388316667855241277, or any 1x loader with that box breaking setup due to the 1/50m thing (the issue when tiled here is insanely rare, 1/100k was only found in a testing environment and it is not a 'consistent' metric like the 1/50m issue)
