stardew-valley

[velvet lily]

im kidding btw

but i wasnt even looking for it

[gentle thorn]

LOL fr i went n did 10 mins of research then basked in my glory

[dull light]

garbage hat is truly the one and only

[gentle thorn]

it always happens when ur least expecting it

i stopped checking garbages for a year

and the first garbage i checked after the year had the hat

[velvet lily]

im at my first year i rarely dig the trash

[gentle thorn]

thats luck frfr

[velvet lily]

i guess i wont have to grind for it later in the game

[gentle thorn]

idk if u can get more but from what i googled i think u can i want one for my horse😔

[velvet lily]

i was about to ask that

[gentle thorn]

maybe ill just look for a garbage hat mod

[kind island]

how to get it

[gentle thorn]

be a bum

[languid orbit]

what should i do with repeat artifacts

[gentle thorn]

u have to go thru trash all the time

[gentle thorn]

i save em for decor later on

or gifting

[velvet lily]

i think you can gift them to penny?

or smth

[high scarab]

Sell them

[half rapids]

keep bones & farm computer 🥺

[gentle thorn]

yea bones r important

[languid orbit]

i dont have any bones and never got em

[gentle thorn]

keep dwarf gadget too

[velvet lily]

i dont think the rusty spoon will sell for much

[languid orbit]

how get bones

[velvet lily]

skeletons at the mines

[half rapids]

and various places you get artifacts that r bones

[gentle thorn]

a lot of them sell for way too cheap its not worth it

[half rapids]

different kinds of bones

[gentle thorn]

they look better on my tables

[velvet lily]

cant decorate, didnt even get the first house upgrade yet lol

[gentle thorn]

i feel that

[kind island]

[novel thistle]

@kind island You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[gentle thorn]

i save all my decor cus im a hoarder and ik the second i can decorate ill go crazy

[kind island]

https://tenor.com/view/club-penguin-penguin-dancing-cute-gif-17795117

[velvet lily]

kinda wish there was a quick store button for all my chests

[gentle thorn]

wdym?

[kind island]

cant you press "add to existing stacks"?

[gentle thorn]

like put all existing items in? there is a button

[half rapids]

(theres a mod for that)

[velvet lily]

thank you

kinda that but with all the chests close to you

[half rapids]

(you can ask for more info @ #modded-stardew )

[kind island]

[gentle thorn]

i got in call w my friend n he was browsing mods and saw chests anywhere and said wow thats cheats.. then i opened my chests anywhere😔

[half rapids]

gahahahah

[gentle thorn]

its so convenient

like too convenient 😭😭😭

i can access my shipping bin at 1:50am comfy in bed

[velvet lily]

i think its fair because inventory size is more of an inconvenience that anything

[gentle thorn]

literally

i got a mod for that too😔

still not good enough

(it never gets easier)

[half rapids]

i used that mod for a bit then stopped cuz it felt guilty ANYWAY back to vanilla game

[dry surge]

What is it useful for

[velvet lily]

the 4th slot one?

[dry surge]

I donated mine

[gentle thorn]

farm computer

[dry surge]

Eh

[gentle thorn]

i donated my first but keep ur second if u get it

i almost gifted my second til i realized i needed it

[dry surge]

Imma check it on yt, it looks like useless information from what people described

[gentle thorn]

it def is but later in game it saves sm time

its just useful when u least expect it to be

[languid orbit]

what is starfruit for

[sleek sparrow]

For making wine with

[languid orbit]

i dont have kegs yet

[gentle thorn]

do u have a seed maker

[sleek sparrow]

Don’t seed maker the starfruit

[languid orbit]

no

[gentle thorn]

save ur star fruit til u get one

[sleek sparrow]

Save the starfruit then

~~ Unimportant but Kent will ask for one ~~

[rare niche]

Delete this image

[half rapids]

yeah you'll be able to get starfruit seeds later in the game

[kind island]

[gentle thorn]

||after unlocking greenhouse u can mass produce starfruit instead of spending 1k on a few seeds just by using seed maker||

[languid orbit]

yeah he already did

[half rapids]

wait why delete it?

[rare niche]

Because it contains a spoiler.. and you can't spoil images after sending them

[half rapids]

oh didn't notice 💀

[sleek sparrow]

Or just buy the starfruit seeds

They pay themselves back

More convenient and takes less time

[half rapids]

yeah you'll be able to buy them later

[gentle thorn]

yeah but in the moment u go broke just from buying 8💀

[frank kayak]

||bad ring||

[languid orbit]

i have a secret note that speaks of a dark tunnel, where is that

[rare niche]

the tunnel by the bus

[sleek sparrow]

Go left from the bus stop

[languid orbit]

and what do i do there

[rare niche]

put a battery pack in the thing in the wall

[south scroll]

You keed to have battery

[sleek sparrow]

Put a battery into the box

[languid orbit]

what boc

[south scroll]

Box at west most point

[rare niche]

on the wall

[south scroll]

In the wall

[gentle thorn]

the wall

[languid orbit]

its not there

[sleek sparrow]

It’s in the shadows

[gentle thorn]

keep going left

[sleek sparrow]

Look closer

[gentle thorn]

until u feel dark and alone

then ur there

[languid orbit]

what

[dry surge]

Isnt it better for the antic seeds or whatever it was named

[gentle thorn]

i do both

[dry surge]

Ohh hm i see

[gentle thorn]

tbh just to save on buying seeds

bc 200gold😭😭

[dry surge]

Man fr 400 gold for 200 extra..

Well i planted like 280 star fruit on my farm atm..

[gentle thorn]

stardew taxes r what made me consider an income mod

[gentle thorn]

W

on year 2

[languid orbit]

where?

[rare niche]

in the middle

[gentle thorn]

in between 2 lights

[sleek sparrow]

Go alone the wall
You’ll see it cuz it’s the only thing on the wall in that tunnel beside lights

[gentle thorn]

panel on the wall

[languid orbit]

ah got it

[south scroll]

Between two light

[dry surge]

I could of done better i think but i have no space cuz of the forest type farm

[languid orbit]

also wtf how get rainbow shell

[south scroll]

Should have brought a torch

[dry surge]

U got rainbow shell from that?

[south scroll]

Luck

[sleek sparrow]

Forage on beach in winter

[dry surge]

Oh

What does the rainbow shell do

👀

[sleek sparrow]

Nothing

[south scroll]

To proceed the quest

[sleek sparrow]

Looks nice I guess

[dry surge]

Oh

[gentle thorn]

i always make the mistake of picking a prettier farm over a convenient farm

[grand tangle]

Not a mistake pretty above all 🙏

[dry surge]

This fr..

[south scroll]

If it makes you happy the go for it fam

[gentle thorn]

facts

[grand tangle]

Me with hilltop farm ong

[sleek sparrow]

This is the only reason I’ll choose a fruit cave over mushroom

[gentle thorn]

i swear i hear sm trash talk abt hill top but it looks so cute i wanna try it

[dry surge]

Id rather be ugly and rich than broke but pretty 🐺🐺😎

[grand tangle]

Thats fair yee

[grand tangle]

Its a little difficult to design but go and try it if u want to, I really like it personally :]

[gentle thorn]

i found out fruit caves were better after i picked mushrooms but at least i got elixirs for days😭

[dry surge]

Hill top is good lowkey tho

[sleek sparrow]

Funny enough in my vanilla save I chose mushroom cave
Then edit the file to remove all the mushroom boxes so I can decorate it

[gentle thorn]

ooo okay

[dry surge]

Man this fr.

[sleek sparrow]

Nah
Mushrooms are better~

[south scroll]

Every one needs their own cave amirite

[sleek sparrow]

Money and food wise anyway

[gentle thorn]

really?

[sleek sparrow]

Mhm

[grand tangle]

Oh dear lets not start the shroom vs fruity debate

[gentle thorn]

i havent sold a single mushroom 😭

[sleek sparrow]

Too late it’s already started

[south scroll]

Oh lets

[grand tangle]

Spare me 🙏

[velvet lily]

i always forget to check my mushroom cave too

[south scroll]

Bat Cave, Assemble!

[gentle thorn]

im on year 4 with like 600 brown mushrooms😭

[languid orbit]

i got a glowing crystal lamp thing as a museum award, how many things donated is this

[dry surge]

Tbh we say its bad cause we want the fruits for cc but if we choose fruits we would say we want shrooms cause we need them for cc

[sleek sparrow]

Infinite food

[gentle thorn]

what should i make with them?

i never cook with them tbh

[sleek sparrow]

Wild seed
For more money..

[dry surge]

You collect them??

[gentle thorn]

other than crafting elixir

[dry surge]

I kinda forget ngl too lazy

[gentle thorn]

i accidentally collect everything

[languid orbit]

i got a glowing crystal lamp thing as a museum award, how many things donated is this

[gentle thorn]

one time i did a clean out and made 100k in like year 2 bc i was hoarding sm😭

[velvet lily]

what should I do with the purple mushrooms?

[dry surge]

Save em

[sleek sparrow]

Sell or eat them

Doesn’t matter much cuz they aren’t exactly abundant

[gentle thorn]

u can make wild seed with mushroom?

OHH INS EED MAKER?

STOP

[dry surge]

They r useful, i wouldn't sell since they r rare compared to others too

[gentle thorn]

i been so down bad for wild seed

[sleek sparrow]

Yea

Make a million fall wild seed with them

[gentle thorn]

yea my mushroom farm lacks purple mushrooms to this day

[sleek sparrow]

And sell them tea saplings..

[gentle thorn]

YESSSS

[sleek sparrow]

Make banks year 1

[gentle thorn]

im on year 4 technically i dont need it but i need wild seed for other things so

[dry surge]

U can make 30k free by just completing the bundle for ||quarry||

[gentle thorn]

thank u for the wisdom

[dry surge]

Save those wild seeds and use for tea fr

[velvet lily]

which vilager should I befriend firstt

[sleek sparrow]

That’s a spoiler

[sleek sparrow]

Caroline

[gentle thorn]

caroline

jinx

[dry surge]

||Quarry|| is the reward for completin the bundle wym

U can see it named right there

[sleek sparrow]

Yea
The reward is “bridge repair”

[dry surge]

Oh

[velvet lily]

what does caroline give out

[dry surge]

🤦‍♂️ my bad i got memory problems frl

[sleek sparrow]

|| tea sapling recipe ||

[gentle thorn]

linus too

he gives a good recipe for early game

[dry surge]

U gott get 2 hearts tho and enter her room

[velvet lily]

oh i maxed out linus

[dry surge]

Bro felt the bait

😳

[gentle thorn]

||maybe its his quest then i cant recall||

[velvet lily]

no he was just in the way of the mines

so i passed by him each day

[gentle thorn]

have u SEEEN young linus😳😳😳

[sleek sparrow]

They’re talking about a heart event

[half rapids]

💀

[echo bough]

they dont like my gifts😔

[dry surge]

Im crying

[velvet lily]

OH WHEN YOU ENTER HIS TENT

WHAT THE

[languid orbit]

is it advisable to buy omni geodes

[velvet lily]

8 heart event

[south scroll]

Wait, whats the spring bundle crops again? Cauliflower, potatoes...

[lavish basin]

Can't buy them

[sleek sparrow]

He’s teaching you to make wild bait

[dry surge]

Green bean

[languid orbit]

from ||sandy||

[dry surge]

Parsnips

[south scroll]

Bean

[lavish basin]

Green bean and parsnip

[south scroll]

Ah aight

[half rapids]

he loves outdoors and nature, give him gifts that match that

[south scroll]

Thanks mate

[velvet lily]

nah we made love wym!!

[dry surge]

Spoiler that

[lavish basin]

That needs spoiler tags. And I wouldn't, they're quite easy to find

[dry surge]

🗣️

[sleek sparrow]

Woa there keep this sfw

[gentle thorn]

😭😭

i have dibs on linus ok

[languid orbit]

i dont have ||sc|| at the moment

[velvet lily]

oh sorry we made

[dry surge]

I call dibs on evelyn

[gentle thorn]

AYO

[dry surge]

Im better than george

[desert summit]

Evelyn?! What is happening

[lavish basin]

I mean do you really need omnigeodes rn?

[gentle thorn]

ok but the wizard…

[languid orbit]

i want to get ||rusty key||

[sleek sparrow]

Oh

[velvet lily]

george

[sleek sparrow]

Have you broken all your other geodes

[dry surge]

Dig up artifact spots tbh and fish

[languid orbit]

yep

[velvet lily]

should I save my geodes or smth?

[languid orbit]

you cant donate fish

[echo bough]

playing this game alone so depressing

[lavish basin]

Oh, hm it could help then yeah

[languid orbit]

can never find it

[gentle thorn]

save for lucky days

[dry surge]

The treasure chests thoo

[languid orbit]

any artifact spots

[lavish basin]

I find it really fun in single player!

[sleek sparrow]

Why lucky days

[languid orbit]

i see

[velvet lily]

i searched if it made any difference and it said no

[lavish basin]

Opening geodes on lucky days doesn't do anything

[velvet lily]

fr

[lavish basin]

Geode loot is seeded AKA predetermined

[gentle thorn]

bringing to clint on a lucky day makes me feel better about what he gives me😔

[dry surge]

They r coded so that they are already set on the stone for what ull get

[sleek sparrow]

Geode contents are seeded

[gentle thorn]

i cant cope with this ok

[echo bough]

nothing fun for me anymore 😮‍💨

[sleek sparrow]

Have you tried modding

[dry surge]

😿

[gentle thorn]

late game singleplayer gets kinda sad thats y i got mods💀

[velvet lily]

do the content of the geodes change if they're normal or magma?

[gentle thorn]

yes

[dry surge]

They do

[lavish basin]

Yes, each geode type has a different loot table

[dry surge]

^

[echo bough]

nah

[velvet lily]

do they get better or rjust different loot

[lavish basin]

Omni geode has the loot table of all 3 combined

[velvet lily]

thanks

[echo bough]

what mods?

[lavish basin]

Mostly different, tho magma and omnigeodes can sometimes give iridium ore

[sleek sparrow]

SVE is the biggest one

[lavish basin]

!modrecs

[novel thistle]

Check out https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide/Getting_Started#Find_mods or https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Recommendations to find mods recommended by community mod authors and other popular mods, or see #mod-showcase for what the community has been working on!

[languid orbit]

wait does ||sandys|| inventory change daily

[lavish basin]

Some stuff is fixed, some changes

[dry raptor]

I mean, not really depressing, but it does feel weird to start forming parasocial relationships with pixel people and unmoving portraits

[languid orbit]

fuc i wanted to buy omni geodes

[echo bough]

u got the point bro

[gentle thorn]

lots of npc dialogue and schedule extensions, multiple marriage mods, i added some npcs, lots of home/farm improvement mods so i have more to do, more cooking so i get more crops and etc. stuff u feel u would want to see more of in game

[dry surge]

But i love my gf emily 😔😔 ( mentally unstable )

[sleek sparrow]

You’ll get used to it

[dry raptor]

I probably will XD

[sleek sparrow]

Parasocial relationships with fictional characters aren’t that bad

[echo bough]

ill try it tnx

[gentle thorn]

np!! if u need any mod recommendations lmk

[echo bough]

ok

[sacred flower]

i cant mod very easily cause im on switch

[kind island]

you'll get used to it

[velvet lily]

cant wait for the winter character sprites omg

[kind island]

the clothes look so good

[lavish basin]

Right! They're gonna look so cute

[kind island]

is there an exact release date btw?

for 1.6

[sleek sparrow]

Seb with a scarf seb with a scarf

Imagine how jade would be to the moon

[velvet lily]

what is he going to do with robin tho?

[frank kayak]

some time in 2024* , *not guaranteed

[velvet lily]

wait nvm

[storm gazelle]

it's in the next 25 years

[kind island]

[austere ridge]

Is there any tips for catching a squid? I have to do it for a quest but I haven’t been successful 😭

[frank kayak]

get good

[latent harbor]

help pls, why i can not place things in bundle. I want to place Wild Horseradish in bundle but i can’t, with left or right click;((((

[sleek sparrow]

That’s odd
Have you tried restarting the game

[frank kayak]

and are you physically at the CC

[latent harbor]

yes

[frank kayak]

that's odd

[dry surge]

You go to the community center

Not from the inventory

The one in ur inventory is used for viewing the bundles and helps you as a list of what u need..

[dry surge]

Try dragging it then

[latent harbor]

i need to use some table to do that or something?

[lavish basin]

Ask all the questions you need

Awe

I'm glad I've been able to help

That's what I'm here for

Im not, just someone dedicated to helping out

[cobalt hare]

Leveling up fishing will help increase the size of the fishing bar and getting the iridium rod to use tackles with is always a lifesaver, I like the trap bobber or the cork bobber personally

[lavish basin]

Trap bobber is awesome for hard to catch fish

[cobalt hare]

Ikr it was probably the only reason I managed to catch the octopus

[austere ridge]

Oo okay thank you

[lavish basin]

Yeah octopus is a meanie

[cobalt hare]

Rightttt it drove me crazy that first summer

[lavish basin]

It makes fish escape 33% slower

[cobalt hare]

Ofc! I’d just say practice makes perfect and it will get easier with time :))

[lavish basin]

As in the progress bar goes down 33 % slower when you're not feeling the fish in

It's perfect for fish that move around a lot

It'll give you way more time to catch up to them

[cobalt hare]

Yes!! It’s so helpful for the fish that dart quickly because it saves just enough time to help with hard catches

I’d say the biggest thing for anyone early game is leveling up fishing because increasing the size of the fishing bar is probably the most helpful thing for catching difficult fish

Plus it gives you much needed practice and allows you to learn the mechanics a bit better for the different difficulty fish

[wild gyro]

does pressing this make it so pregnancy is allowed, or is the tooltip saying pregnancy is currently allowed?

sorry no screenshots (wrote that intenting to post one)

the button without the X - is that click to allow - or all ready allowed?

[lavish basin]

It's allowed by default

[wild gyro]

thanks

[lavish basin]

Clicking it turns it off

[warm ember]

how do i get cloth

[rustic nymph]

You put wool from a sheep in a loom

[full sky]

👋

[rustic nymph]

Ur welcome

[lavish basin]

There's a lot of ways, for example putting wool in a loom, getting it as a gift from Emily, chance from recycling newspapers

[warm ember]

how does one get sheep

[full sky]

Put from Sheep or Rabbit into a Loom.

[full sky]

Purchase it from Marnie's Ranch.

[lavish basin]

Deluxe barn unlocks sheep and deluxe coop for rabbits

[rustic nymph]

Go to marnies and buy it

[full sky]

Yep

[rustic nymph]

With a big barn

[lavish basin]

Morning sadamant

[warm ember]

oki

[full sky]

Just call me sad

[kind island]

how long do dinosaur eggs hatch again

[full sky]

12 days or 11, I think.

[lavish basin]

11 days 6 hours 40 minutes

[kind island]

[lavish basin]

If I remember correctly

But I think that's right

[full sky]

12 days or 6 days with Coopmaster profession.

[lavish basin]

But that's sad

[full sky]

Real

[lavish basin]

It's not 12, look at the incubator page

I swear oml it's what I said

[full sky]

Dinosaur Egg page says 12 days 😭

[kind island]

https://tenor.com/view/club-penguin-penguin-dancing-cute-gif-17795117

[full sky]

Lemme change it

[kind island]

lmao

[lavish basin]

No check the incubator page

Type in incubator in the wiki

[full sky]

Yeah it says a different number

[lavish basin]

Bruh hold up

[full sky]

So I'm editing the Dinosaur Egg page

[lavish basin]

[full sky]

I know

Dinosaur Egg says 12 days instead of 11d, so I'm changing it to 11d

[lavish basin]

Ah

Well yeah it's closer to 11 ig

[full sky]

Yep

[grand tangle]

give to shane

cook everything

pizza is cool

[grand tangle]

or sam

I want pizza :,(

[warm ember]

is there a chart of limited fish for each season

[full sky]

Just check the wiki for each season and their respective Fish sections

But nice idea... I might make one :)

[lavish basin]

Summer

[kindred sinew]

What should I do with Lewis’s shorts…?

[lavish basin]

Pierre only starts selling it year 2 tho

[lavish basin]

So much...you can give them back, put them in the luau soup, in the Stardew fair grange display, tailor them with a gold bar and wear them...

[toxic juniper]

Too many fish to put into a discord chat, better to put a picture table into a command function probably.

[lavish basin]

Well that's what you CAN do, not necessarily should

I'd honestly just give them back or wear them

I don't really like their interaction with the festivals

[full sky]

It's very rude 😔

[foggy loom]

hi guys 🙂

[rare niche]

Welcome

[full sky]

Hello, Carups! Welcome to the Stardew Valley Discord!

[grand tangle]

Heya, welcome :)

[kindred sinew]

lol ic

[lavish basin]

Yeah imo it's much more heartwarming to have a cute little luau with an amazing soup and everyone is happy. And a Stardew fair where you put in effort to gather items and kick Pierre's butt!

[lavish basin]

Heya, welcome!

[kindred sinew]

Does wearing them give you any perks?

[rare niche]

nope

[lavish basin]

Just cosmetic

[toxic juniper]

It's fairly intrusive I agree, even if I dislike Lewis.

[rare niche]

just a reaction from lewis whenever you talk to him

[kindred sinew]

What about interacting with marnie with them?

[grand tangle]

I think marnie giggles when you try to talk to her

[lavish basin]

Yeah

[kindred sinew]

Does she take them?

[rare niche]

no

[lavish basin]

If you wanna avoid dialogue from lewis and Marnie it's a good thing for that lol

[kindred sinew]

lol kk

[toxic juniper]

She already had them by accident of him forgetting them, no need to give them back.

[lavish basin]

Marnie giggles and lewis jumps up in shock. You don't get dialogue but it gives the points for talking to them

[rare niche]

also putting them in the fair will get you a free 750 points but you will be disqualified

[lavish basin]

It's more points than 2nd place but less than 1st ^^

[kind island]

welcome!

[obsidian idol]

is anything apart from the greenhouse rly needed? from the community centre?

also what should i do with my money i have a lot and im currently in summer year 1

[novel thistle]

@cobalt hare You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[obsidian idol]

pog

[full sky]

^

[full sky]

How much Gold do you have?

[obsidian idol]

i have like 3k now but ill have more after today

ik 3k isnt a lot but i had 9k before i bought a coop

[full sky]

Hmm...

Yeah save

[obsidian idol]

save for what

[full sky]

true

[obsidian idol]

i would expand my farm but i dont have sprinklers yet

and i dont wanna be watering 24/7

im waiting for the quality sprinklers

[kindred sinew]

Will my animals survive one day without food? (Winter)

[warm ember]

i thought cranberries only took 5 days to produce fruit, where are they

[kindred sinew]

Good ol Marnie decided to take the day off when I needed her the most

[warm ember]

oh

[kindred sinew]

Do I have to place silos manually or do they automatically get attached to barn/coop?

Ok cool. Also, if I get big coop/barn do they replace my basic one?

Haha np

[polar pecan]

Yes

You won't be able to build a big coop / barn without the basic one.

[warm ember]

where to get red cabbage

[full sky]

Yes

You'll need a Coop in order to upgrade to the Big Coop, and Big Coop to Deluxe Coop.

[proper blade]

reavel cart or buy y2 onwards, from pierre

traveling cart

[cobalt hare]

Can be found at the traveling cart or is available starting year two

[full sky]

Red Cabbage Seeds can be bought from Pierre's General Store in Year 2+ for 100g each, or at the Traveling Cart for 150-1,000g, but it's not guaranteed unless the option for CC Year 1 Completable was ticked on.

[kindred sinew]

So I read that to get prismatic slime I can keep refreshing level 5?

Does that still work?

[full sky]

Just keep farming Level 5, yeah.

[kindred sinew]

Kk thx

[full sky]

If you can, go on a Good Luck day.

The chance for a Prismatic Slime to replace a regular Slime increases with daily luck.

Good luck on getting that Monster Musk recipe!

[kind island]

how much bombs do i need for ||skull cavern||?

[rain tree]

normally id get 50 regular bombs and 25 huge bombs

[grand tangle]

Spoiler that please :P

[kind island]

[kind island]

[grand tangle]

I take around double that

[rain tree]

it depends how deep u wanna go but u dont really need them

[kind island]

oh god

[kind island]

up until like level 25

eh i'll just go to skull cavern when i get richer

[rain tree]

i dont think you would need bombs then

[kind island]

[rain tree]

i mean you can get rich from skull cavern

[kind island]

im just gonna buy some just incase

[rain tree]

gems give a good amount and the loot u get from chests

[small rain]

I wouldn't consider catching a shad difficult! Just needs to be raining

[shrewd steeple]

its not as flexible then other fish

[full sky]

Shads are smooth 45

[full sky]

Spoiler pls

[dusky maple]

What Do i do with dwarf scroll 1 and ancient doll?

[shrewd steeple]

def ||spoiler||

[warm ember]

where is linus' basket

how do i have 5 cows when my barn is capacity of 4

i only bought 4

whos baby is this

oh nevermind

my cow teleported inside

[toxic juniper]

You might have an upgraded barn lol

ah

[warm ember]

didnt think they moved that fast

[toxic juniper]

Yeah, if they glitch out they'll teleport or if something changes like moving the barn while they're outside.

[warm ember]

also my bats havent produced a single fruit in like a week and im sad

[fluid moat]

On the planner, is there a a way to use the stone walkway floor?

[toxic juniper]

I especially love when they get stuck in a looping animation and keep doing laps for hours

[toxic juniper]

That's the downside to bats sadly, not reliable. But they do help with the CC 😦

[grand tangle]

Planner v2 hasnt been updated in a while iirc, try planner v3

[warm ember]

for year 1 should i do anything with my cranberries or sell as is

[fluid moat]

What is the link for planner 3?

[grand tangle]

Its a little jankier imo but https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjx56jCmcWDAxW7i_0HHe5gBJsQFnoECBAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fv3.stardew.info%2F&usg=AOvVaw3-uUAuOp8XiJh0UVc5dJdD&opi=89978449

[toxic juniper]

If you have any preserves jars you can use them, but otherwise sell as is

[cobalt hare]

[warm ember]

i do have some, should i make more for them?

8 coal per i dont have that kind of money

[fluid moat]

I would. You would get more gold from it.

[toxic juniper]

They're useful for processing lower priced vegetables and fruits.

[fluid moat]

If you can make the charcoal oven then you can make coal from wood.

[warm ember]

does the rarity of the cranberry change the rarity of the jelly?

[toxic juniper]

They're expensive, but if you don't have the money year 1, just sell cranberries raw and use what you have in preserves, they take 2 days to cycle.

no

so use base in the jars

[warm ember]

oki

[toxic juniper]

regardless of quality you put in, it'll still be worth more than the quality ones would be just raw though, just assuming you're going to be selling some, so make sure it's quality ones if you do to get more money.

[stone orbit]

Does the game know whether coal in the same stack is new or not? Clint asked for 10 coal but wont accept my pieces I have stocked, if I go on a mining trip with 22 in my inventory and get 10 more, will he just know what to take?

[fluid moat]

It's there but it doesn't look the same way as in the game for the stone walkway floor.

[grand tangle]

Whoop it looks bugged

[grand tangle]

then I guess just try planning with another floor type and add the stone walkways in-game :,P

[toxic juniper]

In the cases of quests like that for example his copper one, you have to get all the pieces first, then show him. I cant grab old stuff to use from my chest only, but one trick you can do is buying them from him and then showing them to him, lol. Or you can just mine it too.

[fluid moat]

Haha sounds good

[rotund timber]

What's the best way to get an earth crystal the fastest?

[toxic juniper]

Generally looking through mine floors 1-29ish and killing the duggies for an extra chance at dropping it

[fluid moat]

How do I overwrite the house with the stage 3 repair?

[warm ember]

bro where does linus go

[grand tangle]

Idk :,)

[fluid moat]

Usually by the mines and the river in that area

[trail rover]

i don’t know why my dumbass picked the river layout it’s SO BAD

[warm ember]

hes not there so i have no idea

[toxic juniper]

alternatively you could also open any extra base geodes you have at clint too.

[toxic juniper]

What day and what time?

also raining?

[rotund timber]

thanks

[warm ember]

monday 1pm sunny fall

[toxic juniper]

He's up near the spa in the train station area

[grand tangle]

Change it in the game files ong

[toxic juniper]

He goes there quite a bit during fall since the train station's open now.

[trail rover]

i’m js gonna try to make it work

[grand tangle]

Theres a tutorial on yt somewhere 🙏

[trail rover]

thank you silly goose

[rotund timber]

This worked! Thank you!

[trail rover]

heart emoji

[outer bolt]

hi

[grand tangle]

Np, Im sorry i dont have the link haha

[grand tangle]

Welcome :P

[outer bolt]

ty

i'm kinda trapped here

[toxic juniper]

Glad it did, it's not too hard to find that one, but I get not wanting to go searching through the mines for one.

[outer bolt]

i can't send a pic

[grand tangle]

#images-and-memes

[outer bolt]

ok

my cat is

[grand tangle]

U can walk trough ur cat

jist keep walking against it

:P

[outer bolt]

ooooh

thanks !

[toxic juniper]

same thing applies to villagers body blocking you.

[outer bolt]

thank you, i literally started yesterday

[whole flame]

hello!!!

[toxic juniper]

It's the right place to ask questions 🙂

Hello!

[full sky]

[whole flame]

i am new here i am looking for how to play this game i am going to buy to my gf and me

[outer bolt]

[full sky]

Great!

[toxic juniper]

oh, hi Sad.

[grand tangle]

Welcome :P

[full sky]

Hello Oxy :)

[toxic juniper]

How are you today?

[full sky]

I'm good, you?

Kent

[toxic juniper]

Tired but good, probably going to be asleep soon x)

[full sky]

No need to spoiler by the way! Thanks for being careful!

[full sky]

I see, I see :)

[toxic juniper]

I appreciate you spoilering for things you're not sure about though 🙂

[full sky]

@cobalt hare

!checkthepins

[novel thistle]

To keep things spoiler-free for new players, #new-farmers does not allow mentions of post-cc/joja content, and requires spoiler tag usage for certain other topics. Please check the pins of the channel for more information on what needs to be spoiler-tagged and what can't be discussed at all.

[full sky]

Make sure to do this ^ 😊

[whole flame]

nice. Steam has declined me about payment methode. Nice nice !!!

[full sky]

RIP in peace 😔

[whole flame]

[toxic juniper]

Steam can be fickle that way I've found.

[whole flame]

if i say onething here

i am going to get ban

from the moderators

[full sky]

Better not say it then

[north sand]

hello!

[whole flame]

hello

[polar pecan]

aye

[toxic juniper]

Best to keep it on topic of stardew then, lol.

[full sky]

Hello, pip, and welcome to the Stardew Valley Discord!

[toxic juniper]

Hello!

[novel thistle]

@toxic juniper You leveled up to Farmer. You're now a prettier shade of blue. Thanks for sticking around!

[full sky]

👀

[whole flame]

Oxymorons

[full sky]

Nice job, Oxy

[toxic juniper]

oh noes, I'm a new mineral

[polar pecan]

🎉

[whole flame]

congrats!

[full sky]

Soon you'll be Kyanite

[toxic juniper]

Thanks, I don't think I did anything really though 😛

[full sky]

Mhm

[toxic juniper]

Is that the next upgrade?

[full sky]

Yep

[whole flame]

can i ask a question?

[polar pecan]

What is it?

[whole flame]

why this game wont be able to play with 20 players or more?

[full sky]

Kyanite, Fairy Stone, Amethyst then Lucky Purple Shorts

[full sky]

You can do that with a mod :)

[bitter lintel]

you already can and don't need a mod for it

[grand tangle]

Yoo it did that to me two days ago 😍
fucking ideal smh

[whole flame]

😄

[grand tangle]

with a little editing you can have as much players ina game as u want

[whole flame]

lets try crack to get info

[grand tangle]

Huh

[whole flame]

and then buy real one

[grand tangle]

No?

Dont pirate?

[whole flame]

yeah exactly

[golden topaz]

How many players can play stardew at the same time?

[grand tangle]

Im confused

[warm ember]

what should i bring for the fall fair to display me as good

[toxic juniper]

You can, but it would probably be very laggy with that many. I had fairly bad lag with a 8 player playthrough before.

[grand tangle]

(officially) 4 but its gonna be changed to 8 in 1.6

including the host

[golden topaz]

got it, ty guys!

[full sky]

How?

[whole flame]

owh. Maybe it would be great. I thought that this game like a mmorpg game 😄

[bitter lintel]

you can play as many people on PC as you want right now without mods

[polar pecan]

A variety of Gold and Iridium quality items. I think you can get iridium quality fish as you lvl up your fishing skills

[whole flame]

and then i saw that is a farmer game

[full sky]

He's gonna pirate the game and then buy it??

[grand tangle]

Changing a number from 4 to whatever u want, idk how to do it but theres tuts on yt

[whole flame]

I am not able to buy it because policy of Steam at Turkey.

[grand tangle]

It seems that way ye

[full sky]

Oh yeah but I meant without going through the code or something

[grand tangle]

Then u cant

[bitter lintel]

doesn't require code

[full sky]

You just download, place a folder, that's it

[grand tangle]

Smh

[polar pecan]

it's a sandbox game they say.

[warm ember]

do i get to keep the items still after

[polar pecan]

Yes

[grand tangle]

yes

[whole flame]

maybe we need to server, rank systems, like sanalika.

[grand tangle]

huh

[full sky]

??

[polar pecan]

i am confused

[whole flame]

[full sky]

You can clean out your grange display after the judging is done.

I normally just do 9 iridium-quality Chubs which does the job with 91 points.

[toxic juniper]

I realized late you were talking about the grange display. I was going to say you can win with 9 iridium quality chubs lol.

[full sky]

But if I feel a little fancy I may put some effort into the display

[warm ember]

what could i win with the chubs like what event lol\

[polar pecan]

i always put a variety of iridium quality crops and fish

[toxic juniper]

But yeah, you get extra points for having things from 1 of each category too, the sell price also increases how many points you get.

[full sky]

Tokens?

You can spend on the fair

[polar pecan]

you can trade tokens in the fair

[full sky]

Like buying a for 2000 Tokens

Winning gives you 1,000 Tokens so you're halfway there

[polar pecan]

You can earn more tokens by doing other mini games in the fair

[toxic juniper]

You're partaking in the grange display against Pierre (smh), Marnie and Willy (❤️). If you win 1st, you get 1k tokens, any less placement is less tokens.

[dim echo]

u can put iridum quality stuff or rare stuff on the grage

[full sky]

Yes

[toxic juniper]

Yeah, just mentioning using something like 9 iridium chubs, etc.

But more categories gets more points too, etc.

I think the max is like 120ish

[whole flame]

i

am

going to cry with this soundtrack

[dim echo]

dont put mayor's short cuz it wil lget u disqualified

[polar pecan]

You can still earn tokens they say

[dim echo]

750

[toxic juniper]

Hey, more tokens than 2nd place is not bad lol

[full sky]

You'll get disqualified but get 750 tokens

[full sky]

True

[dim echo]

its not as good 1st pce which u get 1000

[warm ember]

how many points do i need for first

[toxic juniper]

90

[thorny grail]

Where do I even start in this game

[dim echo]

90

[toxic juniper]

Which 9 items are you bringing?

[dim echo]

start with opening ur laptop or PC and press the icon of a chicken taht represents stardew valley

[full sky]

Clear out your farm a bit, get enough wood for a Chest (50 wood) and start planting your Parsnips by tilling the soil and then watering them. 😊 Enjoy your Stardew Valley journey!

[thorny grail]

thanks chief, ppreciate yall🙏

[dim echo]

it gives u a base 14 points and for each item u put u get 1 point, and then if u have good thingy + good stared u get more points

u ned 90 points

[warm ember]

I have no idea. I started fishing but i have a ton of minerals like diamonds. is that good to bring?

[grand tangle]

variety

[dim echo]

yes bring dimonds

dimond worth 6 points

[grand tangle]

aka, fruit, veggie, gem, cooked good, artisan good, fish

flower

etc

[dim echo]

nobody brings flower

[toxic juniper]

A diamond is worth 6 points so yes bring that. What do you have in the way of animal products?

[warm ember]

I can bring large milk, gold cheese, gold mayo and large eggs

is that good?

[dim echo]

yes

[warm ember]

if i wanna win i need 10 points for each product

[toxic juniper]

Nah you're good

because there's a base 14 points and 9 points for 9 items, that's 23 alone.

You get more points for having higher quality stuff too and different categories

[warm ember]

oh ok

[toxic juniper]

Bring the gold cheese and large milk (highest quality you can)

[warm ember]

oki

what minerals and what crops?

is there like a spreadsheet so i dont have to keep asking

[toxic juniper]

Just the diamond for now, what fish do you have caught atm?

There's a wiki page, yes.

[dim echo]

not true

[warm ember]

my luck is terrible today but i do have some at home

[dim echo]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Stardew_Valley_Fair

@warm ember

[warm ember]

ooh ty

[warm ember]

everything i got rn saved, i sold all my good stuff yesterday i didnt know

[stone orbit]

Good to know, also somehow when cracking geodes it turned out I got exactly 10 pieces of coal

[toxic juniper]

gold star super cucumber should be more than fine.

[warm ember]

just that for fish?

[toxic juniper]

Yep, you said you had crops next.

[warm ember]

ive got this saved

[fluid moat]

How do you get iridium?

[toxic juniper]

So we have animal products (large milk), Mineral (Diamond), Artisan good (cheese), Fish (super cucumber) so far.

[warm ember]

i mean i got more crops growing atm i could get more gold star cranberries n stuff by then

[autumn arch]

hi

[pure socket]

Hello 👋

[grand tangle]

get some fruit and veggies in there!

[autumn arch]

is it still possible to glitch into the quarry early

[warm ember]

oh and my minerals incase

[toxic juniper]

Add the gold star melon for fruit, fiddle head fern for forageables.

[toxic juniper]

Then add a cauliflower for vegetables and that should be good.

[warm ember]

thats 6, shouls i just throw in 3 random gold rarity stuff?

[toxic juniper]

That's cheese, large milk, diamond, super cucumber, melon, fiddlehead fern, cauliflower and then you can add 2 more random items that are higher quality like gold + and expensive.

[warm ember]

perhaps fish

oh the super cucumber right

thank u sm for helping that was a lot

[toxic juniper]

That should give you 14 for base, 30 for the categories hit at min and probably 30+ from quality before even the points from value are added.

[toxic juniper]

Glad to be of help

[warm ember]

would putting a cooked dish in help?

[toxic juniper]

No, because the max categories I think is 6.

so you're at 7 already lol

[warm ember]

oh alright

[full sky]

[autumn arch]

can I glitch into quarry early?

[dim echo]

how would u do taht

[toxic juniper]

The other big points come from sell price of the items after, but most of those items should give you 4-6 points each on top depending

[fast gull]

i made 96k in a single yield, is this what year 5 ppl feel like (i’m in yr2)

[full sky]

no

But great job!

[fast gull]

what’s the average at yr 5?

[toxic juniper]

I don't think there is one, because everyone's different.

[dim echo]

what is single yield

[stone orbit]

Is there any way to get items back from when you died in a cave?

[past wagon]

yes

with a chair

[polar pecan]

Im always broke... the money i just recently earned vanished...

[fast gull]

like at one time, one day (?)

[full sky]

RIP in piece 😔

[toxic juniper]

That would be the secret woods, not quarry probably.

[dim echo]

sounds like someone who cant manage their money well~

[autumn arch]

ok but how?

[dim echo]

o

[full sky]

A singular harvest

[past wagon]

no you can with a chair

[whole flame]

owh this game is soooo hard

[past wagon]

you have to place the chair in the out of bounds zone

and sit on it

[full sky]

Take it at your own pace
No need to rush

That's the beauty of Stardew

[toxic juniper]

Ah, I forgot about that one.

[fast gull]

just keep the wiki open bro

[past wagon]

hold on lemme send ss rq

[full sky]

Yea

It's possible

I've seen some speedrunners do that

[toxic juniper]

I wouldn't want to break into the quarry lol.

[past wagon]

once you get in the quarry you gotta faint to leave

[past wagon]

its actually really simple/easy

[fast gull]

how long does ||the dinosaur egg|| take to hatch? it’s been incubating for like a week

[past wagon]

no scythe clipping involved

[toxic juniper]

11 days or so.

[full sky]

No need to spoiler, btw! 11 days, 6 hours and 40 minutes.

[toxic juniper]

Damn, specific

[full sky]

Around 6 days with Coopmaster profession if you have that (you don't 🤭)

[toxic juniper]

Is that from the wiki or do you have it memorized?

[full sky]

Memorized

[fast gull]

[toxic juniper]

jesus lmao

[past wagon]

is it even worth it for dino mayo?

[toxic juniper]

How many dino eggs do you incubate per play through, I only do a couple, but not enough to memorize it 😦

No, worst animal in the game for money

[past wagon]

the produce eggs every 5 days 😭

[full sky]

7 days

[toxic juniper]

But they're cute af

[full sky]

Indeed

[full sky]

One

[fast gull]

it’s my first actual playthrough, every other time i stopped at yr 1 bc i got bored lol

[full sky]

One for the Museum and another for the unmentionable

[toxic juniper]

I still wish you could use them as minion pets to bring them into the mines.

[full sky]

Trueee

[stone orbit]

On a bad luck day I found a Special frost jelly slime (0.175%), and i had to reset the day cause it killed me

[toxic juniper]

to fight in combat with you

[full sky]

They would breathe fire or sh

[deep pollen]

o

[toxic juniper]

Did you get that figured out yet btw on getting your stuff back?

[autumn arch]

so where do I put thy chair

[full sky]

Hello!

[stone orbit]

Is there a way?

[fast gull]

and with that i just spent 53k on seeds and deluxe speed grow

[past wagon]

let me feed my chickens im gonna send a ss rq

[full sky]

Noice

||Did you get the Deluxe Speed-Gro from Sandy?||

[fast gull]

no from pierre

is there a difference ?

[full sky]

||Yeah, Sandy sells one for 80g each, Pierre sells one for 150g each||

Only on Thursdays though

[toxic juniper]

Yes, talk to marlon at the guild to get stuff back, he does the item recovery service.

[stone orbit]

Damn, i didnt know about that

[full sky]

You probably could've saved quite a bit of money

[stone orbit]

Eh either way the day wasnt really going that well

[full sky]

Hello?

@winged maple

[winged maple]

Yes sorry!

thank you

[past wagon]

@autumn arch join cindersap-forest ill screenshare

[full sky]

No problem

[past wagon]

nvm

cant stream

[fast gull]

you mean the sky islands ?

[jagged swallow]

tryna figure out some specific amount of crops to get the ||oasis|| cash for summer 1

[toxic juniper]

It's post CC content so not for here.

[full sky]

year 1?

[jagged swallow]

blueberries should regrow fast enough to get there on their own right?

[jagged swallow]

yep

[fast gull]

With the cow seeds that grow rainbow cows

which give you birthday cake flavoured milk

[full sky]

ok buddy

[toxic juniper]

I think you've had too much birthday cake flavoured milk tbh.

[full sky]

ong

[fast gull]

[toxic juniper]

That also sounds like an insane amount of sugar lol.

[jagged swallow]

idk how many hops to grow either for the kegs later on

[toxic juniper]

They produce once a day once they're mature.

[fast gull]

at least 2

[jagged swallow]

oh ight thats fast as hell

[past wagon]

what do i do with an abudance of prismatic shards

[cobalt hare]

insomnia sucks fr

[jagged swallow]

literally making a spreadsheet to track all this lmao

[toxic juniper]

So you could match it up to your keg amounts since pale ale takes 1-2 days per.

[full sky]

||Donate to Museum, get Galaxy Sword||

Delete pls

or remove the last part

[past wagon]

whoops

[full sky]

Can't talk about that here

[past wagon]

my bad

[full sky]

Post-CC

[pine nacelle]

hayyoo

[full sky]

It's alright

[warm ember]

as someone who is a beginner idek what people mean when they spoil so i just forget it

[full sky]

Hello!

[past wagon]

what do I do past that

[full sky]

You better ong

[warm ember]

its like someone speaking a language u dont ubnderstand

[toxic juniper]

They're quite good for gifting since it's a universal loved gift

[full sky]

||You can barter with the Desert Trader for Magic Rock Candy but IDK if it's worth it||

No talking about that. Not even spoilers.

If you want to talk about that, go to #stardew-spoilers

[past wagon]

alr

[full sky]

Post-CC content can't be discussed here

[dim echo]

wdym " abudance"

[full sky]

!checkthepins

[novel thistle]

To keep things spoiler-free for new players, #new-farmers does not allow mentions of post-cc/joja content, and requires spoiler tag usage for certain other topics. Please check the pins of the channel for more information on what needs to be spoiler-tagged and what can't be discussed at all.

[full sky]

It's a typo, chill 😂

[fast gull]

I thought starfruit jelly would cost more than starfruit 😭

[toxic juniper]

Make sure to delete this pls. ty

[full sky]

You didn't turn it into wine?

[dim echo]

no i meant like how many

[fast gull]

i turned one into wine and one into jelly

[pine nacelle]

so im new to pc stardew anything i should now?

[full sky]

Turn it all into wine

[fast gull]

i don’t have the artisan thing

i have the 10% crop price

[warm ember]

why is there a mushroom tree on my farm

[full sky]

More profitable

[full sky]

Rare event

[whole flame]

sada

[full sky]

Put tappers on them to get infinite Mushrooms

[warm ember]

theres only one but oki

[whole flame]

are you recommend any mod?

for new players

[full sky]

Yes? You can just call me Sad btw :)

[whole flame]

Sad okay.

[full sky]

Maybe some QoL mods, but we can take our talk to #modded-stardew if you want to be more in-depth

[fast gull]

What did y’all name your chickens when you got them

[full sky]

Heathcliff and Linkletter

I got 2

[whole flame]

Ecü, bücü

[toxic juniper]

Aside from || Galaxy sword || You can use it to buy || Rock candy from the desert trader every thursday. Gives a very good buff to luck and other stats for skull cavern runs ||. You can also just use it for gifting otherwise at this point since it's a universal love for everyone except haley.

[past wagon]

can bombs affect animals?

[full sky]

Haley's so spoiled fr

[full sky]

Nope, they are effectively immortal

[past wagon]

dang. I was close to 10 hearts too

[full sky]

Except when they get hunted by wolves or something

[past wagon]

but do they get pissed off

[full sky]

Yeah 😂

[toxic juniper]

Pissed off is far from dead though lmao.

[jagged swallow]

forgot that blueberries take almost half the season for the first harvest which is rough

[fast gull]

Willow (the tree) and Wallace (Bc he’s an allay)

[full sky]

speed-gro

[jagged swallow]

omg why didnt i think of that

[full sky]

If you leave them outside the farm at night, they have a chance to disappear

[warm ember]

i can almost unlock rhe vault im hyped

[toxic juniper]

Nice 🙂

Did the fair happen yet btw?

[full sky]

Great!

[toxic juniper]

I didn't bother to fully calculate the points, I'm curious to see how many it was worth.

[autumn arch]

sorry uh I'm at school rn

[warm ember]

no thats not for a couple more days

[toxic juniper]

My bet is 102 then

[warm ember]

i dont know if ill get to it tonight its getting late

way later than i thought it was

the bat cave is making me go insane though. ive gotten NOTHING

[full sky]

101. 

[toxic juniper]

that's fine, just let me know, i'll be in here other days too i'm sure lmao.

[rain heron]

Hello

[toxic juniper]

[warm ember]

hi

[full sky]

Hello and welcome to the Stardew Valley Discord!

Hope you have a great time here!

[rain heron]

Guys i just Clear COMMUNITY center with MOST PAINFUL WAY

So what next

[full sky]

Nice

[cobalt hare]

Hello everyone!

[rain heron]

Hello

[full sky]

Hello and welcome to the Stardew Valley Discord!

[bitter lintel]

standard bat cave

[full sky]

Is that a Rick Montgomery username 👀

[cobalt hare]

YES

[full sky]

This is why Mushroom Cave is on top 🗣️🔥💯

[full sky]

Cool :)

[toxic juniper]

I'd go ask in #stardew-spoilers for what's after since there's no post CC info to be in this chat.

[full sky]

Yeah

[warm ember]

will my gf haley give me dialog if i win the fair

will i get support

[full sky]

IDK

[toxic juniper]

I don't think your spouse gives you any that I recall.

[full sky]

They seem to only give standard dialogue regardless of how many you have with them

[toxic juniper]

But it is fun to talk to the NPCs that are getting judged with you before and after the judging.

[full sky]

Truee

[toxic juniper]

Especially Pierre if you win lmao.

[warm ember]

aw i got 9 hearts with haley

[full sky]

You do get extra friendship points if you talk to them during special events though!

[toxic juniper]

I hate Pierre.

[full sky]

Fuck Pierre, all my homies HATE Pierre!

Took his bbg caroline

[warm ember]

whats the most important skill to get to 10 first

[full sky]

Farming probably

[toxic juniper]

Farming because of the professions probably.

[past wagon]

farming

[full sky]

ye

[warm ember]

oki

[toxic juniper]

Artisan is a little too good to give up.