creative-discussion

[outer garden]

“Line of action” only does so much

[solid stag]

natural poses are overrated imo, unless youre a male comic book artist drawing female characters with their ass and boobs in the same pose so it looks sexy

dynamic posing is good but jesus christ these women have noodle spines

[marble mantle]

i like art of really sexy women

i dont see whats so bad about it

[warm finch]

same XD

[broken mason]

Some people see it as part of the trend of objectification of women going back for decades, particularly in comic or gaming art.

[solid stag]

im talking about specific examples

im not saying theres anything wrong with sexy women because women be sexy but sometimes. these women. break their bodies and it doesnt look sexy, it looks uncomfortable

this one was making the rounds on twitter a couple weeks ago and i cant stop thinking about how bad the anatomy is. women dont sit like this

also comic book artists dont have the best reputation for being good..... this is an actual drawing of capitan america done by a professional artist

[marble mantle]

ugh

not this again

its literally a perfectly normal pose

ill never understand what the internet has against women being presented as sexy

[warm finch]

lemme quickly see if i can sit like that

ok i can sit like that

[marble mantle]

i sit like that all the time btw

one foot folded and one leg up

[solid stag]

youre missing the point but ok

[marble mantle]

mostly with my chin resting on my raised leg and such

the point is she looks too sexy and because it was drawn by a man its bad

[warm finch]

i mean it's not a bad anatomy? it is humanly possible

but i do understand the point of "objectification"

[marble mantle]

the captain america one is bad tho

[warm finch]

^

a lil too buffed

[marble mantle]

the perspective of the chesticles dont match up

its not really the buff bit

the chest is just in the 3/4 view

and the rest of him is in profile

[solid stag]

his chest cavity is way too big

[warm finch]

AH

yea 3/4

[marble mantle]

i mean
if they wanna make him a buff guy he can be a buff guy

look at hulk and creature designs
those have muscles exaggerated a lot

[warm finch]

i mean, it's a fictional character

[marble mantle]

so theres really no too big or too small when it comes to art

[solid stag]

the proportions are off

[balmy venture]

"off"

thats generous lol

that man is a meatloaf with limbs

[humble lava]

they hired that artist on to do big comics too early by his own word, as I hear it. He's learned since then.
Secondhand information from an artist/comic nerd I talk with

[marble mantle]

just gotta make sure when your bulking it up its anatomically correct
cause the bigger it is its gonna be easier to spot when stuff are off

[solid stag]

i dunno, squishing your boobs like that looks pretty uncomfortable

i sit with my legs folded but my back is arched forward not backward

[marble mantle]

perfectly normal to me

[solid stag]

i dont think you understand the limits of normal human spines then

[marble mantle]

thats the point of art tho
to exaggerate based on what is humanly possible
to make stuff pretty

but thats just me
to each their own
personally dont see anything wrong with it

[solid stag]

i think theres a point to which sexy art becomes. really anotomically impossible

[balmy venture]

i dont think its 'bad' per se but i definitely think the stuff comic books do is worth laughing at because its just. hilarious

im quite fond of being able to see boob and butt in the same shot

[solid stag]

im all for sexy but forcing the anatomy to which it just looks uncomfortable isnt sexy, its just weird

[marble mantle]

therse obviously some bad comic art out there
but i really dont see whats wrong with that pic of mj in particular

[solid stag]

yeah because youve already made up your mind about whats right and wrong about it, i cant really do anything to change your mind at this point

[humble lava]

the raised leg doesn't seem to join the hip it's attached to quite right, but other than that..
it's not what I'd figure is a totally natural pose for lounging around when nobody's looking at you, but it doesn't look broken

[marble mantle]

as i said
to each their own

[solid stag]

kinda hard to change a perspective when the opposing party isnt really open to changing their mind

[humble lava]

that goes for you as well, rino. now can we cut this out?

[warm finch]

i mean, you don't have to change a person's mind to prove a point..

[marble mantle]

^

[solid stag]

i know it goes for me, and ill give

[warm finch]

but yea, gainem said it, let's move on

[marble mantle]

yes

[solid stag]

anyways women sexy

[warm finch]

.-.

[marble mantle]

uh huh

[warm finch]

now i kinda just don't want to draw anything

[marble mantle]

drawing is for losers anyways

[solid stag]

like me hehe

but i havent drawn anything today

[warm finch]

i haven't drawn anything for days

[vale shoal]

Okay so I want to buy a drawing tablet. Anyone got specific recommendations? Wacom?

[solid stag]

veikk is a good tablet company, i wanted one of their tablets but got a gaomon instead bc my mom was like "its cheaper" (they were the same price)

[vale shoal]

Not sure we have veikk here

[marble mantle]

ones i like the most are the huion kamvas 16 pro and xp pen artist pro 15.6

[vale shoal]

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/category/peripherals/graphics-tablets

This one? https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/KEYHUN3213/Huion-KAMVAS-PRO-13-Mobile-Pen-Display-13-Professi

[marble mantle]

thats 13

[vale shoal]

Yeh that was the only one on the site for the local store

The number is the size?

[frigid halo]

price friendly I'd say Xpen or Huion

[humble lava]

I got a Huion Inspiroy H610ProV2 to replace a big old Wacom Intuos3, hasn't let me down yet... but it's only a few months old at this point so

[frigid halo]

and ah the infamous Rob Liefield art..

[solid stag]

god dont start it up again

[humble lava]

poor guy. still the butt of all these conversations

[solid stag]

theres bara and then theres rob liefeld

[frigid halo]

I considered trying the lesser expensive tablets. I'm currently using a WACOM Hybrid Companion, thats been with me for 8+ years already

[vale shoal]

And is it easier to use one that you draw on directly or one that draws on the computer? Has anyone used them with asperite? Or are they not good for pixel art?

[solid stag]

i miss my intuos. my gaomon is heavy as shit and hard to move around easily

[vale shoal]

I am also considering getting my galaxy note 3 screen fixed for the drawing abilities but that would cost about as much as a decent drawing tablet.

[marble mantle]

it all comes down to prefernce

[humble lava]

It takes some getting used to the tablets that don't have a screen of their own, but it just takes a bit of time and practice.

[marble mantle]

was honestly a lot easier for me to adjust to working without a screen than to working with one

[vale shoal]

I'm used to real media myself.

[humble lava]

I shouldn't say "a bit", it took me half to a full year or so. but I wasn't a diligent study

[vale shoal]

I had a digital tablet about 20 years ago.

But it wasnt nearly as fancy as these ones.

[gloomy turtle]

@vale shoal what's your budget and are you looking for one with a screen

[ember sequoia]

i recently got a wacom one and i like it, it's got a screen and functions as a second display too

[vale shoal]

Budget is fine and I'm not sure which I need atm. I wish I could try before I buy but they dont work that way...

[gloomy turtle]

is it just for SDV sprite making?

[vale shoal]

They dont have demo models sadly.

And yeh mainly for drawing portraits

[humble lava]

sprite making.. I don't even use my tablet for that. it's too awkward vs just using the mouse for me

[vale shoal]

And maybe actual illustrations later when I ge to back into drawing because I have a new toy.

[south matrix]

The Wacom One is like, on the pricier side of addorable, but the screen works nicely and it's great for art. I've used photoshop, SAI and aseprite as well as played videogames on it with no issues at all

[vale shoal]

Yeh sprites are okay it's the portraits that the mouse cripples me on.

[south matrix]

if you're an illustrator too, I'd reccommend it, but other people are hugely into uh

[gloomy turtle]

You probably don't need one with a screen then, which is good as those go for >$100USD

[marble mantle]

im too poor to go for the wacom one

[humble lava]

you don't draw freeform lines or gesture whn making sprites. Or at least I don't. It requires more precision.

[gloomy turtle]

you can get a pocket sized one for >$50USD

[marble mantle]

when i can get the huion kamvas 16 for less with a bigger work area

and express keys and a stand

[vale shoal]

Heck people draw sprites on their phones.

[south matrix]

The kamvas is a solid option! The screen is lower quality and the viewing angles it looks nice on are narrower, but it's great that there's competition now, and honestly, the quality of wacoms has slipped a LOT over the last 15 years

[vale shoal]

I might see what the local store has in stock. I could go up to $500 nz but I havent done art in years.

And I'm pretty sure I have carpal tunnel or something going on atm anyway.

[gloomy turtle]

if you just want to dip your toes then see if you can order a small one on amazon

[south matrix]

Wacom's likely what you'll find in local stores. Huion and monoprice are the competitors and are cheaper, but you'll have to order online.

[ember sequoia]

^ yeah, idk about in NZ but i pretty much only ever see wacom in stores here

[vale shoal]

Our local seems to stock wacom and huion.

[south matrix]

Oh wow, cool!

[vale shoal]

Plus that other one but they were mostly out of stock.

Kamvas.

Sadly

[ember sequoia]

you could also look into an ipad or android tablet depending on whether you might use it for other things

[south matrix]

Or you could opt for a touch-screen laptop!

[vale shoal]

Yeh. I've got a galaxy note 3 which was pretty good. Until I dropped it on a cobblestone.

[humble lava]

the one I got from huion was just 50, and it's equal to the 6x11 wacom intuos3 that I used to have, whatever those went for at the time idk I got mine used.

[south matrix]

For pixel art that can be great

[humble lava]

it performs just as well for me

[ember sequoia]

i used to use a surface book yeah, surface pro would also work well though and is less pricey

[south matrix]

^^

[vale shoal]

How good are iPads? I think we have an old one lying around.

[ember sequoia]

you could probably look into getting a pen for it

[south matrix]

iPads can be okay, it really depends on what your personal preferences are

[vale shoal]

It will cost around $500 to fix my s3 note

[south matrix]

If the iPad's too old it might not be able to run the newer art programs or be compatible with the new pens

but it's definitely something you could also look into?

What are your needs and desires here

[ember sequoia]

my parents use logitech pens for grading and i've heard good things about them for art, but yeah it might not work depending how old the ipad is

[south matrix]

Because like so many consumer goods, what's good for me might be awful for you

[ember sequoia]

apple pencil is the "official" pen for ipads

[vale shoal]

My desire? A super fancy one that is like drawing on paper but digital. My needs? A basic drawing surface that I can use a pen on instead of a mouse.

[south matrix]

How often is this drawing solution going to move around? Do you want to be able to draw while in a car/plane/train?

Can you stand it needing to be plugged in and at a desk while working? Or is that a deal breaker?

[vale shoal]

Portable would be nice.

But not necessary.

[south matrix]

Okay. So probably like, iPad/competitor graphical tablet or touch/pen-compatible notebook computer

[vale shoal]

This is why I hate buying stuff. Too much choice!

[south matrix]

Those have good battery lives and are portable

[vale shoal]

Would like it to plug into/bluetooth to phone or have its own screen.

[marble mantle]

the ipad route is expensive
money for the ipad
then the pencil
then the program

[south matrix]

$500 is a great budget to have for those, I'd slightly recommend a windows operating system touchscreen laptops or netbooks

[vale shoal]

Yeh good if I also needed an iPad features. But I don't really.

[marble mantle]

probably gonna need a proper screen protector so it doesnt feel like youre lliterally drawing on glass

[vale shoal]

Kinda wish I'd got a touchscreen laptop when I upgraded last year. Also $500 nz doesnt go as far as $500 us. It's probably more like $250.

[south matrix]

More like $350 but yeh

[vale shoal]

Haha I'm taking into account how stuff here is also more expensive

Cos of transport

[south matrix]

Truth

It's worse in Australia and NZ than it is for Canada

[ember sequoia]

idk about competitors, but the wacom one can be used with an android phone, it does need to be plugged into an hdmi and usb port but it functions as a second monitor and has a screen. it's not the most portable thing but it props up on a desk and acts as a second monitor

[gloomy turtle]

what kind of phone do you have?

and what charging port

[ember sequoia]

i've also used an intuos pro and the last i knew it wasn't compatible with phones, the newer ones may have changed that tho?

[vale shoal]

I have an android samsung s7 edge

[ember sequoia]

oh that's the same as my old phone! i have a s10 now

[vale shoal]

Wondering about the cheapest sort that comes with a screen.

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/KEYHUN3212/Huion-KAMVAS-PRO-12-Mobile-Pen-Display-116-Profess

[south matrix]

Also if the store stocks huions and you like the idea of a kamvas, chances are they can order one for you specifically

if you can, I'd highly reccommend buying it with a credit card if your credit card has any sort of electronics/big ticket item purchase warranty, because that can add an extra layer of security to what's a fairly expensive purchase in the first place!

[vale shoal]

Yeh. Looks like I'd have to do thar if I go for the 12 above since it's out of stock in my town anyway.

[gloomy turtle]

what about the kamvas 13?

[south matrix]

Stores often also offer secondary warranties so

;3

if you can order it through a local store, may also be worthwhile!

It'll take longer to get to you, but like

if you spill a drink on it or your partner sits on it or something... you can get it covered

[vale shoal]

Has anyone here used them with asperite?

[south matrix]

Oh and also-- my GF just checked her chromebook and it can run Aseprite, if that's relevant to you at all

I haven't used the huion with aseprite, but I have run two different wacom tablets and the principle is the same

it's a touch-sensitive secondary monitor

[ember sequoia]

yeah i've used my wacom one with it but not much, i mostly used csp

[south matrix]

shouldn't have issues specific to aseprite

[vale shoal]

Yeh I might just get one of the cheaper ones that you just draw on then it shows on a computer screen.

[south matrix]

also an option!

[vale shoal]

And if I get back into art then consider upgrading.

I used to draw a lot

[gloomy turtle]

pretty much any tablet will work fot aseprite

especially since SDV art doesn't reed pen pressure

[south matrix]

honestly I do a lot of the stuff I do on aseprite with my laptop trackpad

I don't even bother with a tablet for it

[gloomy turtle]

A mouse works fine for me for aseprite

[balmy venture]

i cant stand doing pixel art with a tablet, i just use my mouse

[vale shoal]

I use a mouse. But my wrist us buggered.

[balmy venture]

LOL felt that

[south matrix]

I feel you there!

[balmy venture]

tfw wrist brace

[south matrix]

my dominant wrist's been like that since I was... twelve?

[vale shoal]

And I find portraits less intuitive

[south matrix]

very fair

[vale shoal]

I need to get a dr to look at it actually and figure out if its carpal tunnel or something else. Arthritis maybe.

[south matrix]

;;

[vale shoal]

It's been a bit better recently but my fingers feel odd

[south matrix]

is the little finger ever numb or tingling?

or just the others?

(if the pinky finger gets numb/tingly, it's another nerve involved than the one in carpal tunnel)

[vale shoal]

All of then. They just seem kinda stiff. The main pain is down the outside of my wrist (below the little finger) .

[south matrix]

Probably not carpal tunnel, then, but probably a repetitive stress injury regardless.

[vale shoal]

Yeh I think its caused by the way I twist my wrist when scanning stuff at work. Plus I keep falling asleep on my hand

I should probably talk to my doctor

Thanks for the advice folks!

[vague marlin]

Ouchie...

[silver relic]

wip of veronica from franken fran
obsessed with the manga rn hahahha

oops sorry if i interrupted ur convo pls go on >.<

[vague marlin]

I’m sure it’s fine, the art is very lovely c:

[silver relic]

ty!!

[vale shoal]

Also my note3 would be absolutely fine for it if the screen wasnt shattered. Even shattered it still works with the stylus pen.

[spiral gale]

guysm,,,

stabby update

i wanna finish but i have to wait until Tuesday

[ripe compass]

COOOOLLL

[lament turtle]

Uhh more braided baby tho

I might do an actual art for her soon u.u

[exotic snow]

cute~

[mossy leaf]

very cute

I love it

[ripe compass]

This is adorable 😣

[lament turtle]

Thank youu 💖💕💖💕

[marble mantle]

messing around with better eye rendering styles

[lament turtle]

it probably isn't much, but I tried again, how it is?

[solid stag]

that looks a lot better!! it looks like a good start

[marble mantle]

very nice

i cant remember the last time i drew a forward facing portrait

[solid stag]

theyre tricky but the symetry tool is a life saver

[marble mantle]

piece when i just finished it vs piece after i gave it a day and came back with revisions

[mighty bronze]

the eyeeees

[marble mantle]

realized i was literally just
ignoring all the planes of the face

moral of the story
always give your pieces a day or so to sit so you can look at it with fresh eyes

[solid stag]

i rarely finish pieces i leave for a day

[lament turtle]

can I get just some help at noses? I'm trying to just do something but it looks too big

[marble mantle]

well for one
get some pics of noses that you want to use

[solid stag]

look at a reference of a human face to get the correct proportions

[lament turtle]

yup, I have some references here, they just seem a little different of what I drew

[solid stag]

theres a way to draw portraits that uses key parts of the face to measure out what goes where

hold up

[lament turtle]

oki

[marble mantle]

im literally just trying to send noses

there we go

[lament turtle]

oh

[marble mantle]

these are some nose studies i did a while back

[lament turtle]

ohhhhh

these are great!

[marble mantle]

for noses you just need to get the main shape of the bridge

dont really focus on drawing every single detail that pops up

just get the main shapes

[solid stag]

https://drawingacademy.com/how-to-draw-a-portrait heres an article going step by step on how to draw a face

[lament turtle]

okay!

thanks!

[marble mantle]

noses are quite easy when you get the hang of it

[mighty bronze]

the last portrait I drew was in January? and ofc I forgot to color her...

[solid stag]

that goes a lot more in depth but faces follow a rule of thirds, you want to map out the eyes, nose, and mouth first with construction lines

[mighty bronze]

hot ~a ref I found~

[indigo sequoia]

It’s off balance but I saved it from being absolute mush so I’m not complaining 🤡

[marble mantle]

finish it

[mighty bronze]

I KNOOOW

is like the only thing I didn't finish

or is it not?

[lament turtle]

i tried

[mighty bronze]

you don't have to bother much, it will get better as you practice more

[marble mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834180449378107439/845362894513373214/unknown.png

new csp update

[mighty bronze]

but why

[mossy leaf]

ooooo

[marble mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834180449378107439/845363431975944222/unknown.png

FINALLY

be able to see the damn brush tip shape

[mossy leaf]

this update is really interesting

[lament turtle]

i really hope so

[solid stag]

oh thank god. no more circle pen??

[lament turtle]

this is super strange

[marble mantle]

use thinner lines

as as ethan becker would say
NEVER draw with a curved line

[marble mantle]

i cant wait for it

[mossy leaf]

same

[mighty bronze]

oh ye... thick lines cursed my life... especially when I sketch

[marble mantle]

thers also 11 new default brushes

[lament turtle]

ill ty

[mossy leaf]

I really need to get back into drawing

[marble mantle]

i try not to use thick lines at first

[solid stag]

it looks like youre using krita and the pen pressure isnt working so you might want to go into your settings and fix that

[marble mantle]

i start out with something really thin

[solid stag]

unless youre drawing with a mouse, pen pressure is really useful for emphasis on certain features

[marble mantle]

then i work on defining the shapes

but if youre working with a mouse i recommend just
not doing digital art until you actually have a tablet
practice with paper and pencil cause struggling with a mouse really wont help you learn

[mighty bronze]

yes Nae, "practice with paper and pencil"

NAE 2021

[marble mantle]

shhhhhh

[mighty bronze]

mhmmm

[marble mantle]

[solid stag]

smh nae

[marble mantle]

i have a tablet
it doesnt count

[mighty bronze]

Nae who says traditional is for losers

best girl right here

[lament turtle]

like this?

[solid stag]

how big is your canvas

cause canvas size also affects how thin your lines can go

[lament turtle]

it was the default I guess of an A4 paper

[marble mantle]

ok
im gonna be frank
so sorry if i end up offended you somehow
with art you dont need to rush
dont just need to hurry to crank out stuff especially when youre just starting out
just take your time
slow down and break your reference into small understandable shapes
youll probably be able to identify when something is off

@lament turtle send the ref youre using

[lament turtle]

for the nose? or in general?

[marble mantle]

for the nose

[lament turtle]

oki

I used this one cuz of the shapes looked more easy to follow (a friend recommended to me)

and this one

[mighty bronze]

oo ye, that's a good one

[marble mantle]

i dont recommend using other people's drawing for refs
cause no matter how good they are
theyre still humans and they make mistakes
and they also break stuff down into their own styles
youll just end up learning their mistakes and stuff instead of learning for your self
in the beginning just draw from life
then you can work with stuff like this [drawn references] once you have a better understanding of stuff

[lament turtle]

oh okay

thanks!

[mighty bronze]

Godamn, I wish nae was my art teacher

[marble mantle]

i suck at teaching lmao
i just relay whatever info i learnt

[solid stag]

but to draw from life you have to know how to look at it, because humans see in patterns and when people start off drawing they draw what they think they see and not what they are actually seeing

[lament turtle]

(as as looks that I'm rushing is cuz I don't have much free time lol)

[marble mantle]

but youre free to ask me anything whenever and im open to help if i can

[lament turtle]

sure

[marble mantle]

thats why when you first start drawing from life its recommended to break stuff down into shapes

[solid stag]

yeah but sometimes you need an artistic reference of what shapes there are because we have been taught to see things a certain way by cartoons or animation where the people have already learned how to break down these shapes and have mastered it. its good to look at professional artists workflow as well as life drawing, because having the skills to do realistic work is not the same skill set to do more stylized work

its good to look at artists examples to learn the shapes and flow of the particular feature but if youre doing a study then use a photo

[marble mantle]

to each their own
what helped me most was drawing from life then looking at stylized stuff from other artists
which is what i just told mortimer
not saying its the only way to work

[solid stag]

aight

i work slightly differently so i was just saying how i do things

[mighty bronze]

no matter which way you go every person learn in their own way, we are all different after all.

[marble mantle]

yup

[mighty bronze]

and that's the beauty of it

[marble mantle]

the way i see it
i just wanna know why artists do what they do
why they simplify whatever feature the way they did and what makes it effective and appealing
to understand that i like knowing what they were simplifying in the first place

that reminds me tho

i need to do more sstudies

but this time try to stylize my studies

[solid stag]

i prefer to study animators and the kinds of exersizes they do to learn how to draw accurate anatomy and proportions

theres emphasis on the acting and gesture of the character when sketching and not too much on proper anatomy, those are fleshed out later

theres an animator who does really great videos about animation in particular and the channel is called "Toniko Pantoja"

[marble mantle]

moment of silence for big titty haley that ill probably never finish

[solid stag]

how about an F instead

[marble mantle]

i spent so much time figuring out how to render her boobas

and that damn necklace

[gloomy turtle]

rip

[mighty bronze]

whew

[solid stag]

rip

[marble mantle]

watch me take this gem and use it on another piece

[solid stag]

thats valid lol

[marble mantle]

pretty snazzy on its own

[mighty bronze]

yoink

[mossy leaf]

please give me your colouring skills

[mighty bronze]

same

[marble mantle]

just sell your soul to the art gods

[mighty bronze]

I did...

[marble mantle]

altho wtf was i thinking with that nose

[mighty bronze]

still no use

[marble mantle]

her nose looks disgusting

its literally not even facing the correct way

[mighty bronze]

stop roasting

[marble mantle]

the roasting is good
it shows ive improved

altho this hasnt been that long ago

but damn
Ill probably never draw boobas like that ever again

[mighty bronze]

roasting my art, but I didn't do it publicly lol, I mostly talk to myself

[solid stag]

no boobas 😔

[mighty bronze]

which is not strange at all

[marble mantle]

honestly
being able to roast your art is great

[solid stag]

im not great at painting but i do admire those who paint

[marble mantle]

shows youve improved

[solid stag]

unless youre roasting your current art for not being good enough compared to someone elses art

thats what a lot of people do

[marble mantle]

this piece isnt even that old and i can already spot so many mistakes

[marble mantle]

i love comparing myself to others
helps me recognize where im lacking

[solid stag]

to each their own

[solid stag]

i dont think i have that kind of self control to not go into art burnout mode

[marble mantle]

comparing myself to myself just seems pointless to me
i love being able to recognize past mistakes and stuff
but i think looking at people that are way better than me
and comparing what i do to what they do
really helps

the goal is to not shit on yourself in the progress

[mighty bronze]

oh no... time to change my underwear

[marble mantle]

?????????????????????????????????

[mighty bronze]

again

[marble mantle]

oh

holy shit

i was so confused for a hot second

[mighty bronze]

[marble mantle]

i thought you were losing it smook

[mighty bronze]

I already did

ah I mean

Got your point!

[solid stag]

that isnt really effective learning in the long run because eventually you will get to the point of being as good or better than these artists and you will have to find better artists to compare yourself to. its better to learn from observing your mistakes rather then putting artists who are "better" than you on a pedistal.

its not sustainable in the long run

[marble mantle]

its not putting them on a pedestal tho?
its just recognizing that theyre really good at what they do and using them as inspiration

im planning on drawing this version as well
and have it as a gif
so it shows the human version for a hot second
then it glitches to the devil face

just gotta
learn how to make a gif first

[solid stag]

inspiration is different than comparison. much much different. also, this kind of studying contradicts your way of learning because artists stylize their works no matter what. emilyena is a great artist but she still heavily stylizes her work

[marble mantle]

youve lost me

[solid stag]

theres more to style than just cartoony or realstic

[marble mantle]

i do know all this

im confused as to what point youre trying to make

[solid stag]

you are going to burn yourself out because this way of learning is not sustainable. you arent going to retain information by comparing yourself to other artists that you think are better than you because you will get to the point of passing these artists in skill and you wont be happy with how their work looks or yours. there gets to a point where there really isnt anybody better than you, because you can pick out their flaws as well as your own.

[marble mantle]

[solid stag]

alright ill shut the fuck up since you arent going to listen and will never get what im saying until you experience it yourself

[mighty bronze]

I-...

[marble mantle]

im so confused

but ok ig

cant wait for burn out?

[solid stag]

i dont like the passive agressive emotes either, quit it with those

[marble mantle]

me? confused

ill just
sotp using emotes whenever youre around ig
dont know which of them counts as passive aggresive

but anyways

been working on my website

got this cute lil section set up

[solid stag]

responding with these emotes are dismissive as shit

[marble mantle]

as i said
ill stop using emotes when youre around
the convo has moved on

[solid stag]

not fixing the problem but ok

[upbeat swan]

Y’all. chill pls.

[marble mantle]

thoughts on these prices
im planning to do another example for the hand drawn one
but idk if im pricing myself fairly here

since i dont really
plan to make these the cleanest stuff ever

[solid stag]

you really arent pricing yourself fairly

[marble mantle]

just cute lil icons

[mighty bronze]

teach me to pixel

[mossy leaf]

honestly the pixel art prices could be cheaper since it does not require as much effort as making hand drawn art

[marble mantle]

put a small canvas and hope for the best

[mighty bronze]

LMAO

[solid stag]

hand drawn shouldnt really be as expensive as the pixel icons because you wont sell too many pixel icons as a result when people might go for the hand drawn one rather than the pixel one

[marble mantle]

requires more effort tbh

[upbeat swan]

Nae, passive aggressiveness goes nowhere.

Rino, everyone’s got their own way of learning and reflecting on their art. All we can do is respect it

[gloomy turtle]

what's the reason for making 2000x2000 more expensive?

[upbeat swan]

Love u

[marble mantle]

higher quality

[marble mantle]

pixel art icons sell a lot

[solid stag]

you could do a 2000x2000 canvas and then compress it to 1000x1000 so it doesnt really work like that

[marble mantle]

i havent even open yet and ive had multiple people ask for it

so its really just paying for the style

some peeps just prefer pixel stuff over hand drawn

sigh
pricing so hard

[mossy leaf]

yeah it is to make prices fair

[mighty bronze]

Imagine people asking you for commish

[solid stag]

it is hard but a higher resolution doesnt mean a nicer image sometimes, it just means a bulkier file to have on someones computer. if you wanted to make a 1000x1000 icon you could add that in as an extra thing to pay for with the 2000x2000 res image

[upbeat swan]

Also don’t undersell yourself. Speaking from experience. It devalues the work of artists who are asking for a fair price.

Tbh try pricing by the hour and if someone asks for a flat price, come up with your own hourly rate and see how long it takes you to finish a piece in that style. Then base the time it takes on average and price a comm for that on an estimated time.

I do this for a living and, trust me, pricing is always hard. But don’t undersell yourself.

You’re worth more than you think

[mossy leaf]

the pixel price could be a bit cheaper maybe 25 or 20, when people look and compare hand drawn vs pixel art and see the same price and hand drawn looks better they will naturally move to buy the hand drawn because its more bang for the buck, and selling stuff for the art style alone is okay but not the best to attract customers to buy the art

[marble mantle]

i thought about doing this
but there are some clients that specifically want pixel art

[solid stag]

like they can pay for a 2000x2000 pixel icon but you can add in a smaller res image as an extra percent of the price of the icon or like. 5 bucks extra

[marble mantle]

pricing by the hour is what i did to determine my current prices
went with the basic $10/ hour

im eventually gonna raise

[upbeat swan]

Yoo

[marble mantle]

just gotta

improve

[upbeat swan]

Up it to 15 at least

[marble mantle]

gotta mae sure that even tho im not underselling
im not overpricing

[mossy leaf]

also maybe you could put in the website the average amount of time it takes to make one art piece depending on the detail

[upbeat swan]

you're not

[solid stag]

i have a base price and i will add up if theres extra stuff that the client wants to determine the final price

[marble mantle]

it would be different for every piece
like the subject
how much detail they need
stuff like that

[upbeat swan]

art's funny because you'll be in a constant state of wanting to improve. Just start at $15/hr and work with it from there

[marble mantle]

also irl factors
so i normally give an estimate when we work out the details of the commission

and what my current irl situation is like

[mossy leaf]

honestly I think a starting point of $10/hr is a good start, its above the minimum wage and it grantees that you are not giving yourself wages lower than the international minimum wage

[marble mantle]

ive had so many people ask me if i discount extra characters

[solid stag]

for me $15 an hour isnt really an efficient way to price art, youre better off pricing it on a base value and then raising the price on factors that alter the value of the art piece of consume more time

[marble mantle]

imagine doing more work for less

crazy

[upbeat swan]

lmao don't discount extra characters

[marble mantle]

ikr

[mossy leaf]

yeah not worth it

[marble mantle]

i see people do stuff like
+5 for extra character

and it stresses me out

[mossy leaf]

this isn't a supermarket where you get discount for bulk buying

[solid stag]

its also worth making a TOS for your commissions

[marble mantle]

was just wondering if these are ok

https://naedoesart.uwu.ai/#terms

[mossy leaf]

I have 0 experience in making commissions or anything alike so I can't really tell if its okay

the prices that is

(I am honestly enjoying this discussion its giving me lots of knowledge and information while being quite fun to talk)

[marble mantle]

ive put an unnecessary amount of time into my tos

when i went to put it in my paypal invoice it was way over the 4000 character limit

but i just put in the relevant stuff so it worked out fine

[upbeat swan]

Price your art on whatever grooves best for you, but it is not uncommon to price by the hour. $15/hr is a low rate as it is.

[marble mantle]

i enjoy pricing talk as well

i love getting other's opinions

[mossy leaf]

same

[marble mantle]

then i can put everything thats been said together and work on something based on it

[mossy leaf]

I love hearing other peoples opinions on stuff

[solid stag]

i realize that but its really easy to get scammed by commissioners if you base it on hourly pay, because the final total will be calculated at the end rather than up front

[upbeat swan]

I'm am illustrator by trade, but lemme tell u, pricing is always tricky. It does help to talk about it and if I can impart any wisdom then I'm doin my job. But I'm constantly learning and updating too, so it's not uncommon to be a professional and still question how tf does pricing work.

[solid stag]

$15 an hour is also over half the minimum wage in my state which is dissapointing

[mossy leaf]

oof

[marble mantle]

a lot of artists think getting minimum wage is fine
but it really isnt

if you wanna work and make minimum wage go flip burgers at wendys or sumn

[solid stag]

pricing art is tricky digitally since there arent really any material costs like traditional art has

[marble mantle]

thats why im working to fairly be able to charge even 25 bucks per hour

[remote wedge]

You can also set prices based on demand, if more people go for the pixel art vs traditionally drawn.

[marble mantle]

back when i just started comms i used to sell these cute lil icons that took me 5 minutes to draw for about $20

[upbeat swan]

that's why it's best to measure your time when you create a piece and then come up with your best guess of how long it takes you to complete a piece in that style. All I'm saying is that it's not uncommon to price by the hour and work with that. Also, I sometimes screen record my process so my clients see the process and know how long it takes me.

[mossy leaf]

I pity those souls

[marble mantle]

honestly
how long you take on something is only one aspect of it

cause if you take 1 hour to do a fully rendered piece with 2 characters and it looks really good it doesnt mean youre gonna sell it for $20

[solid stag]

im gonna back out because this conversation is going in a direction i dont like

[marble mantle]

i rememebr seeing this post on reddit where the client was furious and wanted to pay less cause they got their art fast

[upbeat swan]

ohh no no no, there are material costs! Tablets (if you have one), hardware, program usage, any kind of supplemental programs or assists you use to create a piece, etc. Just because they're not as visible as a tube of paint doesn't mean there aren't material costs.

[marble mantle]

bro traditional comms seem so expensive to do

cause theres so much to take into consideration

[remote wedge]

Perhaps average the amount of time you spend on pieces so you can set some sort of base rate? I usually have a period of time where I discuss the piece with the commissioner where we work on the price and parameters together, and add on the price based on the level of difficulty. It's also good to set a limit for like, re-dos if the person finds a few things to tweak afterward.

[upbeat swan]

goes along with the "It took me 15 years to come up with what you asked for in 24 hours" thing. That is also very true.

[marble mantle]

yeah
i have in my terms that the client gets 2 free edits
and anything after that will cost them

[upbeat swan]

setting the limit to free redos is litcherally so important

[marble mantle]

especially if its a really detailed change

[upbeat swan]

I'd suggest to do one free redo and any redo after that will be an extra charge.

[marble mantle]

it depends tho

[upbeat swan]

I cannot tell you how many people come back with changes every time I give them an update. What was a 3 hour project turns into a 73 hour ordeal and it's not fair to anyone. Also why charging hourly is important.

[marble mantle]

cause something like
changing flat colours or so i wont charge for

[upbeat swan]

yes, but by the 7th change it can become an ordeal rather than a quick fix.

it does depend though

my philosophy is don't let people get too comfortable with yanking your chain. Set a rule and stick to it so they know what's inappropriate and what's not.

work with people who are on a budget and who want fixes, but don't let them walk all over you.

[marble mantle]

yeah i put my foot down with comms

[remote wedge]

Don't forget learning what your market is like, as well. Like, if your average customer is younger folks they tend to balk more at higher prices, which is understandable.

[marble mantle]

im friendly and such

but theres a limit

[upbeat swan]

It sets the expectation for other artists. Same goes with pricing your work.

[upbeat swan]

exactly. It's also important to know your market and choose which one you're willing to work for.

[marble mantle]

having a niche helps tbh

like
certain styles are more accepted in certain communities

[upbeat swan]

true

[marble mantle]

just gotta know where to advertise

[upbeat swan]

well you start small and broad

[remote wedge]

And don't forget taxes

[upbeat swan]

but don't be afraid to up your prices either

hgjekr taxes....

it's tru

[marble mantle]

my prices have gone up a lot

i can tell you that

shouldve seen my first comm sheet

[upbeat swan]

yes and with more experience you can continue to raise the price

[marble mantle]

altho
back then my art was actual trash
so ig i was pricing it fairly

[upbeat swan]

I can't afford to work at the prices of my last comm sheet

[marble mantle]

im happy i can start hitting triple digits for my comms now a days

[upbeat swan]

yes

[marble mantle]

also
can i see your comm sheet?

[upbeat swan]

honestly I don't even advertise my prices anymore;;; When a friend asks to commission me I just tell them don't

[marble mantle]

still looking for a good way to arrange mine

[upbeat swan]

oml I can pm you my old one but hah..

I need to update

[marble mantle]

to this day i dont have a proper comm sheet and ive been doing this for months

yeah that works

[upbeat swan]

it's tricky

[marble mantle]

i normally just send in my website

or screenshot the bits of it that apply to what the client asked

[upbeat swan]

The general feeling at giving someone comm prices is this:

[frigid halo]

Have you considered trying some kind of digital organizing board? Kind of like Trello, which I 've seen many commission artists use to help keep track of their clients WIPs and the email system sends notifications to them directly.

[frigid halo]

I've had this happened to me and its not pretty, but I try to be reasonable about it :///

[marble mantle]

i do

[upbeat swan]

yes me too. I always ask people what they're looking to spend up front and try to find a compromise. Honestly, it's tricky and every person is different, but with practice you start to learn what you can and cannot take on.

[remote wedge]

Yeah, it is possible to haggle respectfully.

[marble mantle]

if someone has a reaction like that to me showing them my prices i just
dont work with them or i thread lightly

[frigid halo]

I still do commissions here and there, but lately because of different focus

I'm trying to get more into design stuff, but will make some announcements on oscassions, but I kind of got burnt out from a few years ago, and so I'm still kind of recovering from it lol

[upbeat swan]

ya man, recover at your own pace. I'm doing what I can to hold off on comms rn because I need time to draw for myself. It's been a rarity these days.

[marble mantle]

thats why i work in slots

so i dont get swamped

[frigid halo]

yea rarely I get to draw for myself, and reviving projects just collecting dust was quite liberating lol

[marble mantle]

and i also have this

i can work at my own pace

[frigid halo]

I used to get 7 slots per sessions...it hard man lol

[marble mantle]

my max is 5

[upbeat swan]

I wish people would ask me for more sketch comms. It's cheaper and faster oml

[marble mantle]

ngl
sketches sell a alot for me

altho i used to sketch in a really gross messy way so idk why

im a lot cleaner and confident now with my sketches

[upbeat swan]

yeah, I offer sketches, but few people take them. Idk why, I think they're solid!

[marble mantle]

older sketch

newer sketch

[upbeat swan]

I'll offer this

but then they want this

[remote wedge]

I love the detail in the brick mortar

[marble mantle]

well i mean
people like fully rendered stuff

i dont mind the extra work for more money

[upbeat swan]

yeahhhh;;;

and thank you friend ;v;

no I don't either

[frigid halo]

I LOVE THESE BTW

[marble mantle]

sketches are fun tho

theyre the most headache inducing part of art and i love it

[upbeat swan]

my problem with doing this stuff is by the time they want the full render I'll have made 40+ changes to it and I'm just e x h a u s t e d

[upbeat swan]

🅱️less

YO

BASTION

[frigid halo]

a feeling I know TOO WELL

[upbeat swan]

HELLO SUPERGIANT

[marble mantle]

dont allow them to ask for that many changes then

[mossy leaf]

holy shit that looks amazing

[marble mantle]

also damnnnn

[upbeat swan]

HELLO HELLO HELLO

[frigid halo]

YEA I love SUpergiant games. I need to try Transistor eventually

[marble mantle]

thats hot

[upbeat swan]

FAV GAME.

[frigid halo]

I wanna friggan work for them lol

[upbeat swan]

GO

I do too omg

they don't take applications

I've tried

[frigid halo]

I did too lol

but they were polite about it lol

[upbeat swan]

yeahhh

I mean, I'm not surprised. Indie companies like SG want to stay small.

[marble mantle]

i cant wait to get good enough to work for an actual studio

[upbeat swan]

^^^ same

[marble mantle]

nothing big tho cause i dont plan to do art full time
but id love the experience

[upbeat swan]

I mean....lmfao...

[frigid halo]

starting small always had advantages cause of the networking and hands on experience

[upbeat swan]

I'm an illustrator and data graphics reporter, but concept art has a hold on my soul. I'd love to do more than just the occasional project that comes down the line.

[marble mantle]

i love doing illustrations

im practicing environments and such

[frigid halo]

I'm trying to expand a bit on Illustration design and multimedia stuff recently, cause I know I got the drawing thing down, just presenting it in a slicker fashionable sense would be kind of cool lol

environments I'm trying to polish too

[upbeat swan]

went to school for exactly this. Didn't learn how to draw in class, but I sure did learn programs. You've got the right idea.

[marble mantle]

im in no rush tho
im only 18 so theres lots of time for me to work on my skills

[frigid halo]

I'm working on my website too , but yea have tons of things going on XD

[upbeat swan]

Good for you to recognize this tbh.

[upbeat swan]

lmfao I let my website go....I'm a bad example

[marble mantle]

my website is
getting there

i think the layout is completed

[frigid halo]

they didn't even teach us Photoshop, just drawing figures and rendering in paints was mainly my stronghold..how I survived well people got a story to tell lol

[marble mantle]

just gotta work on the most important part

which is the art

[upbeat swan]

networking is hella important too

[frigid halo]

I cannot stress this

[strong oracle]

ahh are you using html or are you using a layouttt

[upbeat swan]

talent takes you only so far. How you work with and deal with people is the invisible art of the creative world.

[marble mantle]

i used a web builder

[frigid halo]

its even worse if you're shy as a deer lol

[marble mantle]

carrd
but i started from scratch

[upbeat swan]

it is

[marble mantle]

no template or anything

[strong oracle]

if you were using html i would help 😩 but good luck!!

[upbeat swan]

sometimes you just gotta "it's not that deep" yourself and press on, but yes. This is very real.

[frigid halo]

I mean, I've gotten a lot better at talking to people, but I stutter at times and I have to google terms a lot on what they mean but that's how I adjust lol

[marble mantle]

i mean
its done
just gotta fix up my art and refine my style

networking via the internet is easy for me

[upbeat swan]

yes, exactly. You could have all the social grace and charisma and still flub up tho. It's all about practice and getting comfortable. And being comfortable knowing that it's okay to fuck up sometimes.

[strong oracle]

try a lil gif somewhere! i find they really add to a website, autodesk sketchbook is free and is really good for just 1-3 second gifs

[marble mantle]

i use clip studio paint so i can make gifs there
never tried auto desk sketch book

[remote wedge]

Ahhh I'd just replayed that a few days ago while I was going through my Steam games to reduce the backlog. It's harder than I remember. 😂

[strong oracle]

sorry for all the nottifs jaja, its really good for loose kinda more sketchy styles

[remote wedge]

I made gifs once using Windows Movie Maker 😂

[frigid halo]

I still having things from 7+ years ago I don't even remember making thats how bad it got XD

[remote wedge]

I made an animated film once using Windows Movie Maker too 😂 Made a crapload of drawings and each frame was like less than 1 second

[frigid halo]

lmao yes!

[frigid halo]

I bet that took eternity. I used to do the frame to frame stuff on Photoshop, and had to onion the entire thing manually, it sucked XD

but doing it with limitation kinda builds character..

[remote wedge]

For real, everyone expects everything to be done instantly haha granny voice Back in my day, websites used to take more than 30 minutes to load

[marble mantle]

i dont mind the pings
and i might try it out one day
just for the sake of trying it out

[frigid halo]

ya whippersnappers, gonna get ma cane...

[marble mantle]

dont know if ill ever abandon csp tho

[remote wedge]

Or using Powerpoint as a flipbook

[frigid halo]

I never tried animating on that program yet, but since we're on the topic of it..HMMMM

[strong oracle]

ahh i did this when i was like 12 jaja but the animation was made on autodesk. krita is pretty good too just a tad more complicated (https://codeprojects.org/Bv3gFZND6mj7SWVGgfhTFRZ0hvAPF-QVB9GTpmnoE0M/index.html)

[remote wedge]

oof my antivirus did not like that link

[strong oracle]

jaja rip its a school coding site🧍‍♀️

idk if this will work

nvm its only a png not a sequence when u copy and paste it

[marble mantle]

me either
but theres a first for everything

i hate krita tho

i hear its a good program but the one time i tried using it it crashed almost every stroke
couldnt even get to draw a good circle

[strong oracle]

😩 i love krita its my main drawing program now

[remote wedge]

Photoshop CS2 is free, gets the job done for gifs

[frigid halo]

any of you drawn with color's 3ds before? I love taking that thing around since its so compacted lol

[strong oracle]

i have normal photoshop its just hard to draw with

[marble mantle]

im too poor for ps

subscriptions are not my thing

[strong oracle]

i do photography so for me its totally worth it

[marble mantle]

ah make sense

if i could afford ps id probably be using it instead of csp
i like some of the features of it
along with the blending

its great

altho
csp is getting some pog updates lately
gives it the edge over ps

[strong oracle]

ooo i hope theyre good

if i used a tablet or ipad i would def use ibis it seems sm better than procreate because of its updates

[marble mantle]

for one
csp is finally getting that feature where your cursor is the shape of the brush youre using

ibis is great

minus the ads to unlock brushes
but ibis is great

[strong oracle]

jaja yeahh

but they unlock for so long its worth it

does anyone have any blender tutorials because i cant find any easy ones 😭

[marble mantle]

never used blender in my life

the program scares me

[mossy leaf]

I have used that program a lot in the past

[strong oracle]

same tbh i did a course on it and i completly forgot everything

[strong oracle]

rest in peice 😩

i really want to do stuff like um

[mossy leaf]

used to do 3D modelling before I did drawing

[strong oracle]

ill go find it jaja wait

[mossy leaf]

lost all my 3D models sadly

[strong oracle]

i would have loved to see them :((

[mossy leaf]

but at least I have some screenshots of my work

[royal gyro]

https://imgur.com/a/VRZsrWg sort of trash-canny.... for a smol slimey the worm eventually.

[mossy leaf]

ooo nice

[strong oracle]

ahh your models are amazing oh my godd

also i love the bin :))

ahh i found it

https://youtu.be/6WkaGYYsp8o

i just think its so cool omg

[mossy leaf]

that looks amazing

also found another screenshot of when I tried to make an area

[strong oracle]

im so jealous fhjsgfd

i havent figured out how to add blocks or anything so 🧍‍♀️ its going great

[mossy leaf]

lmao mood

man this is a nostalgia trip looking through screenshots of my old models

[strong oracle]

I LOVE THIS ONE

this one is my fav so far

[mossy leaf]

thanks its also my favourite model I have ever made

[upbeat swan]

Ayo friendos, I gotta do some paid work but I wanna do a warmup of a villager. Who should it be? (vote with emojis on this comment :3c )

[remote wedge]

My husband taught me Blender briefly but it's been a long time and I already forgot everything 😭

[strong oracle]

thats the vibe i have at this point tbh

[remote wedge]

made our dog into an Animal Crossing character lol

[strong oracle]

THATSASDSF THATS SO GOOD

[mossy leaf]

indeed

[strong oracle]

I have found everything other than how to add another shape and its really annoying me 🧍‍♀️

[remote wedge]

Blender has an overwhelming UI

[strong oracle]

right? theres so many options

it has veins now 😍

[mossy leaf]

looks like a ball with massive lips

beautiful

[strong oracle]

its unique for sure

its shiney too !!

[mossy leaf]

very awesome

[strong oracle]

I FOUND OUT HOW TO ADD THINGHDGSFFJDSK

monkey!!

[mossy leaf]

Nice!

classic monkey model

[strong oracle]

i cant take anymore tbh ill try again tomorrow

im thrilled by the monkey

[spiral gale]

blender

jesus fuck i never figured out how that works and angrily deinstalled

same with fucking,, gimp

[mossy leaf]

lmao

[strong oracle]

honestly the 2d greasepencil animation of it is the only reason im continuing

https://youtu.be/1nR3DVv48wc

like is that not the coolest thing ever

[mossy leaf]

that is amazing

[strong oracle]

im slightly obsessed its now my life goal to be able to do that

[spiral gale]

how does that even work i

what

[strong oracle]

right??? its magic

this guy does tutorials but i understand none of it

[spiral gale]

i wanted to draw a head but i fucked up and uh

egg

[strong oracle]

i love it its perfect

[spiral gale]

his name is frederik

[strong oracle]

i love them

[outer garden]

[spiral gale]

[marble mantle]

joey got a friend

[spiral gale]

nae im deepply concerned and scared

[frigid halo]

I just woke from a small nap, I'm going back to sleep...

[marble mantle]

[spiral gale]

who tf is chloe and why is she loling

[marble mantle]

chloe is the detective from lucifer

[spiral gale]

ah right shit

[marble mantle]

and shes laughing cause its her birthday and shes drunk

i think

[spiral gale]

which season was that wtf

[marble mantle]

87% thats where that clip is from

im gonna say 4?

now im thinking about it it might be right after she and lucifer..... did the devil's tango

ive only seen her in that outfit twice

[spiral gale]

i dont know which season i left off but i stopped watching because it got boring

i stopped where lucifer fucked off bc hes annoyed of his mother and doesnt wanna hurt chloe or shit like that,

[marble mantle]

it was her birthday
I was right the first time

[spiral gale]

oh damn

[marble mantle]

ah

thats far back

[spiral gale]

robbery

[marble mantle]

pffffft

friend is a bad egg

rotten

[spiral gale]

hes here to steal ur heart

[marble mantle]

but yeah lucifer kinda pog
season 5 part two coming out next friday and i cant wait
actually making fanart for it

[frigid halo]

;__;

[spiral gale]

oh cool

i thought that show was cancelled on 4

[spiral gale]

i unno its not on nyetflix anymore and the site im watching it on is annoying so eh

[marble mantle]

fox dropped it

but netflix picked it up

[spiral gale]

why isnt it on netflix then

that stupid

[marble mantle]

netflix is where i rewatched it a couple days ago

i finished up the last episodes on netflix this morning

[spiral gale]

i will stab you with a fork

[marble mantle]

opera gx
the superior browser

thats weird tho

lemme go check mine

[spiral gale]

being in germany is so fun, being able to see the shit i want to watch is so cool

[marble mantle]

ig its just not on german netflix

thats so weird

[spiral gale]

why tf do you have

words

under it,

[marble mantle]

not even gonna question why 50 shades is in the top 10

its a new option

[spiral gale]

go watch diablero rn

are you kidding me

[marble mantle]

looks great

ill watch it soon

[spiral gale]

yes do it do it do it

[marble mantle]

after i get through the 50 other things on my list

[spiral gale]

i watched it on one day

[marble mantle]

[spiral gale]

the monster animation is shit sometimes but the demons are so cool

like the human demons,,,, the full on sfx things look shit

i just realized my movie taste is as bad as my music taste

[marble mantle]

pffft

lucifer looks kinda shit too

[spiral gale]

im serious what

[marble mantle]

well
looked
season 5 looks great
you can really see the netflix budget

bro love death robots is top tier

[spiral gale]

compare rn

[marble mantle]

the art is so uggggh

ah sec

[spiral gale]

dude i love the tall grass one its my favourite one so far

i started yesterday and im on season 2 - i didnt watch 1 yet

[spiral gale]

it started me on two 😭

[marble mantle]

yessss
tall grass and ice are my fav

[spiral gale]

HAPPY

[marble mantle]

happy is fun

[spiral gale]

LETS GO

[marble mantle]

nick is so cool

im only on episode 2 tho so

[spiral gale]

i binge watched that on two days

in*

please i love that show sm

middle aged men + weapons = god

[marble mantle]

cant wait to finish it

nick is just
funny
hes just such an asshole and ugggh

[spiral gale]

im literally just simping over every middle aged men w beard at this point

[marble mantle]

mood

[spiral gale]

man** ughghg

the more sad the better 😔

nae wait until you get to the fucked up shit lmfao

[marble mantle]

i thought i already saw it

[spiral gale]

ALL YOU SAW WAS HIM W A FIRE EXTINGUISHER

prepare for nightmare fuel and santa claus

and more

[marble mantle]

ngl
i kinda wanna draw that santa

[spiral gale]

and toilets lol

do it

[marble mantle]

but so much detailss ;-;

this is why i need god tier art skills rn with no hard work

[spiral gale]

here fanart for u

[marble mantle]

pffffffffffffffffffffffft

seems accurate

question
does haley die?

[spiral gale]

also can we talk about this 4 finger hand i just slapped there and am proud of? yeah? thanks

whos hailey again

the kid?

[marble mantle]

yeah

[spiral gale]

mentally or physically

[marble mantle]

ngl
i love the texture of your lines

[spiral gale]

mentally yes physically no

[marble mantle]

physically

ugggh

[spiral gale]

WHY UGH??

SHES A MAIN CHARACTER

[marble mantle]

so?
shes also a kid

kids suck

[spiral gale]

she griws

grows

shes gonna get into some shit later too lol

wait did you see the fabulous kid entertainer villain yet

[marble mantle]

ugggh
cant wait to watch up

nah

[spiral gale]

||wait until you see le dic||

[marble mantle]

im only like
half way through the second episode

[spiral gale]

debating to rewatch it rn

but i also have breaking bad and jackass and and and

[marble mantle]

id go watch rn but i have church in a few
no point in starting now only to have to stop soon

[spiral gale]

watch it in churc

h

[marble mantle]

i 100% would but i like having a house to live in

[spiral gale]

unprofessional smh

[marble mantle]

im definitely gonna watch lucifer in church next week tho
nothing is stopping me from watching it the second it premieres

[spiral gale]

not having internet does for sure

[marble mantle]

ill sell my kidney and buy data

[spiral gale]

or being dead

[marble mantle]

if im dead ill watch it from hell

[spiral gale]

thatll take longer than a second tho

[marble mantle]

||they finally show god||

[spiral gale]

oh lol

[marble mantle]

shit
youre right

[spiral gale]

i love how were just spamming this chat w nonsense nobody can relate to rn

[marble mantle]

also im just realizing the irony of watching lucifer in church

[spiral gale]

JUST NOW?

[marble mantle]

yeah lmao

[spiral gale]

[marble mantle]

if he shows his devil face and someone sees theyre definitely gonna start praying for me

wtf is that emote and why do i have access to it

[spiral gale]

[marble mantle]

why did i not know of its existence

[spiral gale]

if thats the worst thing they gonna see im gonna pray for them

and im an atheist,

[spiral gale]

because its a hidden gem that i found and cherish

[marble mantle]

im just chilling
but my mom calling me to get ready now
so i gotta pop off
nice chat tho

[spiral gale]

[mighty bronze]

bless

[warm finch]

Those are some awesome sketches

[stuck robin]

loveeee

[indigo sequoia]

Koi fun

[zealous scarab]

Not sure about the colors yet for Pierre's store. Working on this now and maybe later Harv's clinic

[spiral gale]

thank you for the blessing, your art is so pretty

[lost kettle]

Pierre: Omae wa mou shindeiru
Morris: Nani??

[obtuse haven]

[silver relic]

wowww looks awesome!!

[steel patrol]

working on a painting of jeric from the ridgeside village mod today because i love him

very far from done

i may do a sort of strobe light or night club background to match his dialogue in the game but i dunno

i gotta stop for now because ive got work but critiques are welcome since i havent painted in like a month lol

[stuck robin]

love it, can’t wait to see how it turns out!

[frigid halo]

thank u dude 🙏🏽

[royal gyro]

A quick little table to display stuff for sale

[vale vine]

Ooh that’s cute!

[lost kettle]

Oh my god
I LOVE IT

[steel patrol]

hahah i just saw this but ty !!

[lament turtle]

Idk if this goes here but

thinkin abt making an entirely planted tank

I mean it’s creative sooo lol

[warm finch]

ahhh i'm so happy, the current sdv server banner is by pengooo

[golden sigil]

wh
he looks kinda like shane

(astor is a friend of mine jkjskj)

yes his body looks smol 😔 twas an afterthought

[silver relic]

omg a little lol, maybe it’s the >:( face

[silver relic]

it’s so cuteeeee
i mean, that goes for literally all of the ones in rotation

[spiral gale]

I AM VERY TEMPTED TO DRAW AND OR BUY THIS

BUT HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DRAW THAT KINDA HAIR I SUCK ASS??? AT THIS HAIRCUT??

[lament turtle]

looking respectfully i am

[spiral gale]

😭

[marble mantle]

i have no idea who this is but do both

[spiral gale]

hi nae it's David king and he's baby and fucking.. i think he's British which is like -80% but hes sexy but maybe I'm lucky and he's irish instead so thats giving him +880%

dbd survivor and i love him and his tits

[marble mantle]

he has nice

arms

[remote wedge]

He's gonna be cold standing in the woods at night dressed like that

Some progress, aside from colored pencils and maybe ink to make it pop out more dunno what else to do

[midnight slate]

i tried hard on the light this time

what do you think?

[vale vine]

Oooh it's cute!! Good job ^^

[midnight slate]

theeeenks

[vale vine]

Yw ^^

[golden sigil]

hhh

Painting is so long and tedious

[indigo kettle]

That's so cool!!!!

[worldly compass]

Helloo i have a question dhndbfk my tablet (xp pen g640s) broke and i was wondering if u guys had any reccomendations?

[marble mantle]

painting is fun

digitally that is

[marble mantle]

whats your budget?

[worldly compass]

like 5k php which is about a 100 usd

[marble mantle]

theres a couple screenless wacoms you can get for that

for examples the one i use rn is the one by wacom and it was abotu 60usd

works great for me but there is no buttons or anything

[worldly compass]

ooh okay how long have u had it?

[marble mantle]

maybe a year or so
going on to 2

but its pretty sturdy

ive thrown it in a wall a couple times