making-mods-general

[merry river]

alright, will do that and see!

[strong kite]

Alright I'm pretty happy with how this turned out! There's a few small issues like the animated objects are no longer animated and for some reason the area under the steps is the wrong color but I'm not gonna be a perfectionist about this.
I even got to re-use an asset I had from a personal project! Although admittedly I think it is just a recolored Banana Tree from I think PPJA? so idk if that's a smart thing to use but honestly I just don't remember 😬

My main concern is that I don't think this is an area you're normally supposed to play in, so idk how much of this space is.. actually walkable

[void aspen]

not so silly emily dreamscapes

😭

[void aspen]

does your tilesheet have animations on it in tiled

[barren tapir]

How do you use dynamic tokens in shops? I currently have the following, but I'm getting an error stating that the tokens could not be found

[merry river]

the tokens need to have the same name and change depending on the conditions you define

are you trying to have a premium and a normal price for one and the same item?

huh, they do add spaces

[strong kite]

Well now it does and it works now

I just figured it out

[barren tapir]

The plan is to have those prices and unlock conditions apply to several different items. It works just fine with my i18n values

[strong kite]

Now I need to figure out how to get this loaded in game

[royal stump]

odd...you could try adding quotes like \"6,12,3,4\", which should pass them as a single argument in the action, but I'm not sure if spacecore will trim the spaces out

[merry river]

ahh, okay, then forget what I said, I'll take a look again

[royal stump]

as far as I know, dynamic and local tokens don't support arguments like that

[merry river]

yup, escaping them did the trick! thank you

[barren tapir]

But it also isn't recognizing the price token

[royal stump]

I'd need to see the specific errors, but if any tokens are invalid, CP generally skips the whole edit

it may stop early with a warning/error if you try to use arguments in a token that doesn't support them, though I don't recall offhand

[spiral lion]

does anyone know why the back of the chair appers infront of the npc even thoe it is coded as "front" not "always front"?

[fossil osprey]

they probably need to go on another layer

[lucid iron]

u gotta put them on buildings

this is why most benches in the game have bushes behind

[lucid iron]

did you restart game when changing dynamic tokens

[barren tapir]

That kinda fixed it sorta (new and different errors this time)

[strong kite]

Alright I'm gonna assume this means I didn't implement my new location properly?

[royal stump]

either that key isn't in Data/Locations at all, or it's being added after your sounds.json edit; if it's the latter, you can either change their order in the main content.json, add your sound edits to the main location edit, or use the Priority field to make sounds happen later
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#overview

the console command patch export Data/Locations will make a copy of the current data like Stardew Valley/patch export/Locations.json, if you want to check whether your location's there

[spiral lion]

oh thanks!!

[toxic topaz]

@marsh reef omg it looks so bad. i know its just a rough draft but idk how im going to make it look good like how i want it to lol

maybe the lack of small objects for depth so its apparent that its far away is whats really missing

[rain inlet]

it looks amazing as a base!

[strong kite]

I believe you were right about the location coming after sounds.json, though it's still not working which leads me to believe that I still haven't implemented the map right. This is basically all i've got in that file right now

    "Changes": [
    {
        "Action": "Load",
        "Target": "Maps/{{ModId}}_RiftDimension",
        "FromFile": "assets/Maps/RiftDimension.tmx"
        }
    ]
}```

[royal stump]

ah, just loading the map isn't enough, you'll need to add an entry to Data/Locations for it to be used (which your sounds.json is trying to edit)

[strong kite]

im also getting this which istg I wasn't getting yesterday 😭

[royal stump]

does your mod have a Maps/WizardHouse.tmx inside its folder? FromFile can't target the game's own maps

[strong kite]

Indeed it does

[royal stump]

"FromFile": "assets/Maps/WizardHouse.tmx" is what you'd want there, the assets part's missing

[strong kite]

Alright, there's a funny thing about that though. Gimme a sec

[royal stump]

also re: Data/Locations, there's a basic example here if needed, and a tutorial or two on the other wiki
https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Location_data#Examples
https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Tutorials

[strong kite]

I get this now, which.. come to think of it is not the same error I was getting before I dont think..

wait no it is

[royal stump]

I'd guess either the custom tilesheet(s) it's using need to be loaded (e.g. into a target like Maps/YourCustomTilesheet or w/e), or you edited it when the tilesheets weren't in the same folder, which causes weird issues

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[royal stump]

though ig that looks like the first option, it's looking for a TntDove.PBB/Rift sheet that isn't loaded

[strong kite]

So does that mean the load here isn't working?

[void aspen]

I don't see a patch mode here

it may have to be specified

[strong kite]

Oh right, I don't think I've implemented that yet cuz I was following Nic's steps. I want to have this patch change implemented permanently only after an event has played

well.. shit my bad-

[void aspen]

It's not something I myself know perfectly, I just check my own mod and it does have a patch mode there

[strong kite]

I got stuck on getting the right tiles to actually appear in the event and never got to the after-the-fact implementation yesterday

[void aspen]

depending on your tiles, you may need to put the "PatchMode": "Overlay",
line before FromFile

theres probably other types too

[strong kite]

Tbh I might be getting caught trying to do too many things at once right now

Like related to this mod

[real minnow]

Does anyone know where to find the 1.6 crop item textures? I looked into springobjects but can't seem to find anything

[royal stump]

the other thing is that the error is looking for "{{ModId}}/Rift", basically, so the map's reference might be different from the image's target

[void aspen]

\Content (unpacked)\TileSheets\crops.png ?

[lucid iron]

You can check Data/Objects for details

[strong kite]

I'm getting too many errors now and it's kinda overwhelming

[lucid iron]

It's like Objects_2 iirc

[real minnow]

hell yea ty

[void aspen]

CA and his tilesheets

Im currently doing a sprite finder that gives a tilesheet path depending on the keywords

in excel

sadly importing it to google sheets breaks it

[real minnow]

real

[fossil osprey]

spreadhseet softwares incompatibilities 😔 💔

[void aspen]

I see Cursors 1.6

[real minnow]

found it, it's in objects 2.png :D

[void aspen]

huh

[void aspen]

theres qi fruits there at very least

[strong kite]

Im gonna remove assets/ from the file path just so I can get back to it being a tiny yellow error, JUST so I can focus on one thing at a time

[real minnow]

(this layout is so weird 😭)

[strong kite]

Alright, it looks like the actual map itself is having issues too

[void aspen]

does objects 2 also have them

[royal stump]

Data/GiantCrops decides where those go, and the crops with giant versions added in 1.6 (i assume) are in there
the actual seeds and inventory fruit items are defined by Data/Objects and those are in TileSheets/cursors_2

[fossil osprey]

spritesheet naming system and ordering is so cursed

[calm nebula]

Cursors_2

Please, like you haven't made New Folder (2)

[lucid iron]

So good they made another one

[fossil osprey]

I don't because it stresses me out

[real minnow]

no, however i'll look for them

[royal stump]

when I was little I got frustrated by a relative's old DOS pc where every game was like GameNa~3.exe, so I learned to label my stuff

[strong kite]

oh wait a minute I might know what's going on now

[royal stump]

(but yeah, a lot of data just says "tell me where the texture is" and it'll be in any random file)

[strong kite]

Im changing the names of things but the maps themselves in tiled is still looking for the tilesheets with the old name

ok well it still isn't working.. but it's looking for the right name now!

Alright, got a new error from adding assets/ to the CreateOnLoad MapPath

although something tells me that's just not what I'm supposed to have there

[real minnow]

lowkey anyone want to vc while doing mod creation?

and/or development

[royal stump]

sounds like your Data/Locations entry has the map's file path in it; that should use the target instead, like "Maps/{{ModId}}_Rift"

[strong kite]

is there like a simple mod I can look at for reference on how to add a new location..?

[royal stump]

I don't know anything about Portraiture directly, but you may need to look up the NPC's ID in the mod, which tends to be something like "Author.ModId_Tilly" rather than just "Tilly"
(whereas base game NPCs generally use their names alone)

[faint ingot]

Personally I recommend Visit Mount Vapius. I use it for content patcher reference frequently, the author does a little bit of everything and does it well.

[royal stump]

look for "location" in the tutorial names here, though I forget which specific one to recommend
<#making-mods-general message>
forgets the link

[faint ingot]

I wouldn't call it simple necessarily but it's well organized

[calm perch]

for some reason my custom npc only spawns at the bus stop even though i changed the location, anyone have any advice? :<

[strong kite]

I'll try both of those

[royal stump]

oh right, this one in particular, it has an example mod link for reference if needed
https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_Custom_Location_(CP)(1.6)
but yeah, VMV should be good, and a lot of NPC mods tend to add new places

[strong kite]

I'm sure I'd be having less trouble if I just looked at the tutorials more thoroughly, but honestly I'm a lot better at seeing something and replicating it

[pine kindle]

I have a question about changing portraits. I've been using Portraiture and it's worked well, but when I try to change the portrait for a custom NPC from a mod, like Tilly, it won't work. Can anyone help me out by pointing me in the right direction to fixing this?

[royal stump]

• testing on a new save can help, or at least sleeping a day; NPCs generate their next schedule while the game saves overnight
• are you using any schedules with 0 as the time? that overrides home location and starts them somewhere else

[calm perch]

oh sleeping fixed it!! tysm

[toxic topaz]

with this tilesheet being what the artwork above is overlooking. does it feel like this tilesheet map is too small?

the line at the top would be the pyramid... and you'd decend from the cliff at the bottom, and the area would be a sort of sandstorm area

the borders would be one of those environmental blockages instead of a physical border, i gotta figure out how to do that though

[lucid iron]

It's hard to account for all screen resolutions tbh

I think if your map looks decent at 720p then it's fine

[toxic topaz]

ah, i meant like too small in like walking distance

[barren tapir]

Still have to add 52 more shop entries

[lucid iron]

You can do it in 1

ALL_ITEMS and per item condition ITEM_ID_PREFIX

[barren tapir]

OMG YOURE A LIFE SAVER

-# Technically I'll need 3 or 4 entries bc reasons.

I'll play around with this later!

[marsh reef]

😂 lolllll

[barren tapir]

But first Imma take a break to play some SVE

[marsh reef]

Hmmmmmmm, I think it may be a bit small yea

[barren tapir]

Actually, I just realized something. Would that work if each item has a different condition? The statues unlock when you reach a certain number of hearts with an NPC

[marsh reef]

Environmental block is the same as a physical block technically

[toxic topaz]

well its more like, when you get near the border, you get "pushed back"

its supposed to immitate really strong winds, and a message that pops up saying "you feel like you would get lost if you went any further"

[marsh reef]

Idk about pushed back but you can definitely do a wall that when run into it says that message

[lucid iron]

In that case you probably want to have different entries yeah

[marsh reef]

😎 totk secret woods

[lucid iron]

You can use local tokens for that if u want

[toxic topaz]

well my mod is already doing C# and harmony lol, so i could prob implement it

[barren tapir]

Whelp, in that case Imma just write a python script really quickly. BRB

[toxic topaz]

isnt the totk secret woods kinda bad?

[marsh reef]

Oh I see I see

[marsh reef]

🤔 bro what nooooooo, you get lost if you just go haphazardly into it and you get spit back out

[toxic topaz]

arent you talking about botw woods?

[marsh reef]

🤔 oh am I

Maybe 😅

[toxic topaz]

now thats a big one, 120x120

probably going to be horrible to decorate lol

[marsh reef]

It’s a desert :3 very little decoration needed

But, roughly drawing out where everything should be would help very much on scaling

Bc then you can visit it and see if it’s the size you’re wanting

[latent mauve]

I took the easy way out and just blocked Gerudo town's entrance with a sign that says "It looks like the way is blocked by a large sandstorm", but a Warp that just moves back to the start of the area is also pretty easy

[toxic topaz]

that would break the immersion for mine i feel

[marsh reef]

🙂‍↕️ yes but not as cool as wind pushing your weakling self backwards

[toxic topaz]

also i want the sandstorm winds to hinder your movement, and obscure your vision a good bit

[marsh reef]

Vision is definitely easy to do, movement probably also easy since slimed does that too

[latent mauve]

You might be able to make a mini event that triggers when you step on a tile that makes the farmer jump backwards

[toxic topaz]

ooh yea, i can just make it a status effect

also in this area i have the music "winter day ambient" and i really like it

[latent mauve]

Jump animation + movement while ignoring movement animation could mimic being shoved back

[toxic topaz]

feels perfect

[marsh reef]

Mmmmm yes desert

[latent mauve]

And event means you could have the whooshy wind noise

[toxic topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxKITnxy5yM

it sounds perfect

imagine you're on a cliff overlooking a sandstorm

i wonder if you can overlay two musics on top of eachother...

[marsh reef]

Hmmmmm, I feel like there’s pretty long pauses between wind but yk

[calm nebula]

If you're looking for a refence for smth similar in c#

Look at the door in te sewers

Headed to the room with bugs

Hi lyoko

[toxic topaz]

for the bug lair?

ohhhh yea

that works perfect

[marsh reef]

Peak ball knowledge

[wanton pebble]

Hi! Sorry, I know I've been gone... a lot... but finally the goal is by July work and everything else life wise should have calmed down

[calm nebula]

No need to apologize!

[wanton pebble]

Before I forget this for the millionth time: Can anyone figure out from this log where C# is causing trigger action failures? From what Button let me know last time it likely wouldn't be my mod (Date Night Redux, which is throwing the errors) but everything it shows is basically a Pathos mod, a casey mod, or a very unlikely to cause trigger action bugs mod: https://smapi.io/log/50982a51599f421b997e0b7366db4725

If it is Date Night Redux, I'd need to know how to fix it, but generally just trying to narrow down how this is happening

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.5.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Windows 10 (10.0.19045.0), with 11 C# mods and 5 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[wanton pebble]

I will say though - if nothing's showed up, the user's already stated they've removed some early stuff from the log, so I'm at least sus they're editing it

[calm nebula]

I agree it's a c# issue

[lucid iron]

You'll have to check every day started traction you run

[calm nebula]

Actually no

Smth is null and shouldn't be

[lucid iron]

Can u give us a list

[calm nebula]

can we get a patch summary and a patch export of Data/TriggerActions

[barren tapir]

Done adding the remaining shop entries

[wanton pebble]

I can ask them for that yeah, though I have their json validator of their patches too one mo

[calm nebula]

I need to drive somewhere anyways

[wanton pebble]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/52d53acc1ab94f09bbe109fe9e29e8f8

[whole prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/156109690059751424/1486519757778980984/image0.gif

[wanton pebble]

same believe it or not, going to visit my grandma in a couple mins

[barren tapir]

Now I just need to actually add the shop to the game! Which I will later today... Probably

[whole prism]

tell her I said hi and wnt cookies whenever she has time : )

[wanton pebble]

LOL okay will do

[calm nebula]

I think it's weird there arent like line numbere

[lucid iron]

Hmm could it have thrown in GetActionsByTrigger

Instead of a particular traction

[royal stump]

"Entries": {
  "1117001 Friendship Leah {{MinFriendship}}": "", /* this is probably adding a null entry */
  "{{ModId}}_Unique1Flag": {```

guessing that's a typo, but assuming CP adds the key, it'll crash trying to look at the traction ID or w/e

[void aspen]

ill finish my yippe cookie mod one day

im not feeling like doing 16 object entries

[torpid sparrow]

Yippee

[whole prism]

i believe in u!

[void aspen]

was is das

[strong kite]

Alright so I followed the tutorials for both adding a location and adding a map patch and they still aren't working. My theory is there's something wrong with the file path for those getting the textures for the rift portal

Cuz every time i load them in Tiled they appear as X's until I do ctrl+. for Tilesheetinator

[void aspen]

It is intended to not appear in tiled

tsinator is needed to make them appear for you not for the game itself

[strong kite]

oh.. huh

[marsh reef]

any errors?

[strong kite]

[void aspen]

so as long as your tilesheets are done right and loaded correctly then there should be no errors

Id remove assets/ from your from file lines

[void aspen]

and null value wha 😭

[strong kite]

People seem to flip-flop on whether it needs assets/ in the file lines or not 😭

[void aspen]

also your tilesheet path is wrong

[strong kite]

Or rather different people tellin me different things

[marsh reef]

what's the file setup like? ex. [MOD/Assets (with tmx)/maps (with tilesheet)]

[void aspen]

go to your tmx and open it in notepad

[void aspen]

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[void aspen]

you need it to be just the name

[marsh reef]

oh chat

[strong kite]

Wait so this whole time the prefix was screwing me? 😭

[severe cairn]

yeah whatever is nestled under your content folder needs to be added. My assets folder is in the same place as my content. I add assets to the filepath

Either its the TntDove thats unnecessary or you need to add .tmx

[void aspen]

could be

[strong kite]

Im actually gonna be mad if the prefix was the issue

[marsh reef]

half the time yes the prefixes make everything broken, half the time it works fine :3

[severe cairn]

ohh wait

it was figured out :0

[void aspen]

drop the content thing

[marsh reef]

it really sucks bc if that is and you need to update it later you gotta remember to edit it in text form bc you had to mess with it to be able to see and save it right

[void aspen]

and also change the file path in tmx using the notepad

[severe cairn]

notepad 🩷

[strong kite]

Well I did things and now I have this on booting the game

"Load tmx into Maps" is the logname ftr

[marsh reef]

shouldnt it be uh, assets/Maps/RiftDimension... that's the wrong direction slash no?

oh no nvm

[strong kite]

That's probably it

[severe cairn]

assets/Maps/RiftDimension.tmx

yep

[strong kite]

People either say put in assets/ or remove assets/ but never specify WHERE

[severe cairn]

got there before me lol

[marsh reef]

:))

[marsh reef]

technically you could put it in whatever you want as long as you call on it correctly

[severe cairn]

beep :3
From what i understand my content needs to look into assets, then look into the maps folder, then find the file

so basically just say whatever thats nestled

[void aspen]

I suppose you may need to keep the assets/ cuz game thinks you mean the vanilla folder and not the mod one

[strong kite]

I added assets/ to the line and i dont get that error anymore

[severe cairn]

yeps

[strong kite]

Now I can see if the other things worked

[void aspen]

can you post your whole content here

[strong kite]

Sure, but not everything is loaded there

[void aspen]

only the map thing

[marsh reef]

you always need the full line in your content.json or whatever json you're loading maps on, your tmx file needs to not be climbing though :3

[strong kite]

Alright so those aren't in content.json but rather riftdimension.json

    "Changes": [
        {
            "LogName": "Load tmx into Maps",
            "Action": "Load",
            "Target": "Maps/{{ModId}}_RiftDimension",
            "FromFile": "assets/Maps/RiftDimension.tmx"
        },
        {
            "LogName": "Add custom location to Locations",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Data/Locations",
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModId}}_RiftDimension": {
                    "DisplayName": "{{i18n:RiftDimension_name}}",
                    "CreateOnLoad": {
                        "MapPath": "Maps/{{ModId}}_RiftDimension",
                            "DefaultArrivalTile": {
                            "X": 24,
                            "Y": 11
                        }
                    }
                }
            }
        },
        // add a warp from another map
        {
            "LogName": "Add warp to custom location",
            "Action": "EditMap",
            "Target": "Maps/WizardHouse",
            "AddWarps": [
                "6 5 {{ModId}}_RiftDimension 24 11" // warp from town (center of plaza) to custom location (tile 0, 30)
            ]
        }
    ]
}```

-# can you tell I followed the tutorial

WAIT

I HAVE NO ERRORS

[marsh reef]

:D

[strong kite]

ON LOADING THE SAVE

[marsh reef]

lmao

[toxic topaz]

where would river stuff be kept in files im thinking of making a quicksand river

[marsh reef]

river what

[toxic topaz]

uhhh, like water

[strong kite]

[marsh reef]

townoutside or smthn

[strong kite]

I might need to alter the layering

[toxic topaz]

k

[strong kite]

ALSO THE MUSIC WORKS OMG THIS IS SO COOLLL

[marsh reef]

'

this, but for spring probably

or, no maybe summer/fall

[toxic topaz]

.....hmmmm, the rivers dont actually flow

[strong kite]

Uh oh, the layering is all kinds of screwed
This map was not originally meant for player traversal 😭

[marsh reef]

🤣 i mean you could leave the evil always front block of doom

[marsh reef]

bruh what

[marsh reef]

really not that hard to make animated tilesets dw bro

[toxic topaz]

this looks way too complex lol, maybe ill leave doing a quicksand river for a future update

[strong kite]

I used the map for Emily's Dream Sequence which I'm assuming CA made however tf was needed because it's just for an event

[toxic topaz]

i suck at drawing, animation is something even worse

[strong kite]

So I have funny things like this

[marsh reef]

i see

[marsh reef]

nono bro, hear me out

[strong kite]

I also don't have a warp out of here

[marsh reef]

i need to find a sand tile one minute..

[strong kite]

BUT THE MAP LOADS!!

Massive progress that had me stumped for hours yesterday and today!

[toxic topaz]

hmmm, i guess id only need like 3 tiles, for borders and middle, and then just a few variations to animate it and have it be seamless

and then just spam alongside riverbed

[latent mauve]

Fair warning, the water overlay you see in game is drawn over the tiles with Water T (and in the Back layer), so you WILL NOT see it when working with the base map, only in game

[strong kite]

Actually the fact that walkable tile collision is.. creative to say the least here, that means I can expand the map!

[toxic topaz]

ahh, ill check it out in game then

oh, rivers do actually flow, i just never noticed it until i was looking for it

[latent mauve]

There are animated highlight pixels on the river banks that imply motion also, yeah

Just got to use the actual animated tiles

[void aspen]

does your tmx have animations

wait what rivers

[toxic topaz]

like that

but flowing fast downstream, and like quicksand

[marsh reef]

@toxic topaz if you're just making sets off images i dont believe it'll have the water attached, if it does, you will be able to see

[void aspen]

thats tiles on always front/front layer

[toxic topaz]

i want to add a deep desert fish, and this is a perfect way to do it imo

[marsh reef]

😭 wait wrong person

[strong kite]

Yeep, I'm goin through and modifying the map

[void aspen]

open your map and press H

its gonna highlight tiles on each layer you're at

[marsh reef]

woooaaahhhh

[toxic topaz]

oohhhh

thats so handy

[toxic topaz]

uhhh, what does that mean/do?

oh wait, theres a paths tile

[marsh reef]

if your tile doesnt have that you dont need to worry abouty the water overlay

[toxic topaz]

does that just mean what kind of water source it is?

[marsh reef]

chat what's that

[ornate trellis]

thats for when you wanna add water sounds

[marsh reef]

ooooooh

[toxic topaz]

ooo

[void aspen]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Paths_layer

[marsh reef]

what kind of water sounds? like river or wayer fall

[void aspen]

27 When the location is created, add this tile to the BrookSounds map property with the babblingBrook sound.

also this
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Audio

waterfalls have different sound iirc

[marsh reef]

so i add the sounds to the map not the tile?

[void aspen]

afaiu you do tiles on paths layer and then do the map property to specify which sound you attach on what tile

I may be wrong

[ornate trellis]

yea

[toxic topaz]

hmmmm... so if its marked as water it automatically has this rippling effect?

[void aspen]

any tile on Back layer with Water T property will have the overlay yes

[toxic topaz]

i guess i could just fudge it and make it look like a sand river lol

[marsh reef]

i should set this tree to water

[void aspen]

why exactly

[marsh reef]

uh

because

[void aspen]

do you want it to be half submerged

like on beach farm

or be underwater completely

[marsh reef]

ooooo left half water

[ornate trellis]

if you want the water effect but a different color MMAP can do that

[toxic topaz]

ill download that rn then

[marsh reef]

yumyo idr if ive talked to you about my farm almost being done but technically i could clean up the files atp and post it as it is as a custom map 😎

[void aspen]

Farm Island have those and their lower part is having a Water T thing

[toxic topaz]

i think you've only talked about the warp to below to me

[void aspen]

idk about colored overlay hm

would be silly to just make a custom cursors png and hue shift it

but its hardcoded sadly

[marsh reef]

I see I see 🙂‍↕️

Animal crossing reimagination farm :3

[ornate trellis]

well as i said MMAP can change water colors

[toxic topaz]

cant you just do a harmony postfix?

[verbal glacier]

doesn't this just use the season_island_tilesheets?

[void aspen]

yeah meant that

[void aspen]

idk anything about harmony so won't know for sure

[void aspen]

mbb

[toxic topaz]

harmony is super useful for me so far, just used it to get rid of the toolbar when in my cliff map

[void aspen]

ill learn those frameworks one day

for now im purely cp and gmcm fueled

[marsh reef]

What is harmony?

[iron ridge]

!harmony

[ocean sail]

Harmony is a framework for patching .NET code, allowing you to take any portion of the game's logic and insert or substitute your own. This gives you more flexibility and control than SMAPI helpers and events, at the cost of being typically more complex and difficult to use safely and correctly, and more likely to break with a future update of the game and/or SMAPI.

If you are trying to do something that isn't possible or practical with SMAPI alone, then Harmony is usually the solution.

For more information, refer to the following:

• Harmony Modder Guide - Intro, Use Cases, Initial Setup
• Tutorial: Harmony Patching - Types of patches and code examples
• Decompiling Stardew Valley - For finding methods to patch

To use this command, type !harmony.

[toxic topaz]

uhhh, idk how to explain it

[void aspen]

I will do it when I start learning 1.6.16 ig

before 1.7 come out

[toxic topaz]

the fireflies and the sun make this look so crap lol

i can just do like a night tile to replace hopefully...

[marsh reef]

So it’s like editdata for the game’s code?

[toxic topaz]

think so yea

[iron ridge]

i guess that's not a bad analogy

[marsh reef]

I see 🙂‍↕️

[subtle condor]

So the game stardew valley has like, I don't know, 10.000 functions or something. With harmony, you can kinda attach your code to the original game's function and use some of the values that the original function is using. I guess that is probably the simplest explanation XD

[marsh reef]

😂 😂 😭 oh dear

[wanton pebble]

Remind me in 7 hours of this

[patent lance]

just gonna fire that reminder whenever. call it a vibe reminder (#7143257) (7h | <t:1776042863>)

[toxic topaz]

i might just take the sun out entirely and cover everything in the back with a haze gradient

[wanton pebble]

Thank you esca!

[severe cairn]

hii so I'm trying to remove the vanilla tilesheets from my map file, cus recolor mods really dont like them, but issue is that the game doesnt seem to recognize tilsheets from any folder except Maps? At least when used on a map...

Cus I use furniture.png, furnitureFront.png, and mine_slime.png which SMAPI will complain that it can't find when I delete them, but not for the other vanilla tilesheets. How do I make it find those files or will I have to keep those specific ones included?

[marsh reef]

What

[toxic topaz]

ohhhhh my goodness. these tiles are already animated

[marsh reef]

With water

[iron ridge]

you need arbitrary tilesheet access to use tilesheets outside of maps

[severe cairn]

how do i do that O_O

[uncut viper]

Not as of January

With SMAPI 4.5.0

[marsh reef]

Yea I’ve been using custom maps with no issue whatsoever

[iron ridge]

oo

[marsh reef]

Tilesheetinator, bottom blue option of the Maps drop down, select ur folder and what not, then ur tilesheet 🤔

[severe cairn]

but my smapi is 4.5.2 😭

[uncut viper]

For something in another folder you need to change the image source to (using furniture as an example) ../TileSheets/furniture

[marsh reef]

That’s post yes

[verbal glacier]

that's a later version

[uncut viper]

Because it's from that folder in the unpack

[marsh reef]

4.5.0<4.5.2 dw

[latent mauve]

As long as you have used an "Action":"Load" patch to load your map to somewhere in Maps/, then the game will automatically look for the vanilla pngs at run time

[uncut viper]

I don't know where mine_slime is from though

[severe cairn]

oh wait i thought you guys meant that it would do it automatically after 4.5.0, which got me confused cus it bugged lmao

a subfolder in Maps

for the mines maps

[latent mauve]

Ah, mines tilesheet references need Mines/ in front, they are special

[toxic topaz]

so small change of plans, im thinking of changing the map to be taller rather than just a square, and the river being like that

[uncut viper]

Then that one is slightly different and I'm not sure if Tilesheetinator does it

They can just start with Mines/

[latent mauve]

Thanks, I am half asleep still

[uncut viper]

Or whatever the folder name is, I can't remember if it's singular

I also woke up 5min ago

[latent mauve]

I just remember that mines have a special exception

I just had lunch but it has not woken me up at all, LOL

[uncut viper]

Yeah they're the only ones that are actually in a subfolder in Maps so they're a unique case

[latent mauve]

Yep, Maps/Mines/mine_slime.png is the base texture

just checked

So your tilesheet's image source should be Mines/mine_slime in the TMX file

(which I usually check by opening it in a text/code editor, it's easier for me that way to not break it by saving with errors)

example from Skull Cave XML: <tileset firstgid="65" name="untitled tile sheet" tilewidth="16" tileheight="16" tilecount="384" columns="16"> <image source="Mines\mine_desert" width="256" height="384" />

[subtle condor]

I have a little bit of s very specific problem here, maybe some one knows what is happening XD so, I have a pretty flexible Map override function that triggers the functions removeMapTile as well as ApplyMapOverride. Then I also trigger reloadMap() after that, so that f.e. Water tiles get resetted. The weird thing is, it works perfectly fine in 3 out of 4 seasons. But only in the summer season, triggering reloadMap() completely erases my ApplyMapOverride and RemoveMapTile Changes. Why? XD does anyone have an idea? I looked into the code of reloadMap() (or rathrr loadMap()), but it has nothing specifically related to summer

[marsh reef]

I see I see

[severe cairn]

oop

[half tangle]

I'd double check your map files and tilesheets themselves because it doesn't seem like something the vanilla code itself would be doing differently with the assets you give it

[subtle condor]

That would make a lot of sense, but the problem is, that it also happens with just removeMapTile. So it is not the override function. Btw, I'm testing on the town map, so not my own map, just in case

[lucid iron]

Town gets reloaded often iirc

For silly reason

Summer might be the ice cream stand?

[subtle condor]

The problem is not the reload itself, I WANT the reload, it just only deletes my stuff, in summer, for some reason XD

Oh yeah, important to add, if I remove the reloadMap() thing, it works perfectly fine (so the overrides ARE being triggered). I just want the reloadMap() for stuff like watertiles or something. I might do that myself if I can't figure out what is going on here XD

[severe cairn]

I cant get it to work 😭 people will have to survive with some vanilla looking chairs in her house and the slime floor not slay looking </3 am hungry

[subtle condor]

Hmm, the workaround would also not be that good. The problem is, I basically need my code to survive reloads, so I guess I have to find a way to fix it. Or I could do a postfix on the reloadMap thing and trigger my override after that, but yeah, I want to try to, first if all, understand, what the heck is going on XD

[lucid iron]

I think what i did is reloadMap first and then apply changes

If ur changes r surviving reload map then game probably didn't actually load new map asset

[subtle condor]

I tested the same thing on the mountain and it worked there. So it seems like it is indeed something with the town map, specifically in summer

[subtle condor]

Well, at least I know for sure that the water tiles disappear, so at least something is happening for sure

[lucid iron]

im taking about the bit under if (force_reload)

[subtle condor]

Is it like that when I trigger reload and the map is town that any kind of special case is triggered or something? Or idk, maybe because the game has an override for the ice cream stand and thats why mine get ignored or so?

[midnight sand]

Hi!

Question: How Can I nest ANY queries in C#?

[subtle condor]

Oh wait, that seems interesting. Let me look into it

[lucid iron]

but yea town is funny cus it has it's own mapLoader

so that might be why ur stuff is getting yeeted too

[lucid iron]

like GSQ?

[subtle condor]

That definitely sounds realistic, especially because of the ice cream stand. I guess then I am really lucky that I got this bug so I can actually fix it properly XD

[lucid iron]

i think u can already sorta do it right but if the escapes are problematic u could just make your own data asset

[uncut viper]

If you're in C# just check multiple GSQs with multiple CheckCondition calls

It's probably less string processing and more performant with short circuiting

[lucid iron]

for water tiles what i ended up doing is just copying the water tile populating/updating code

since i really didnt want to deal with all this side effect

[subtle condor]

Yeah makes sense XD the thing is, I am basically making a walnut framework mod with also parrot Upgrade perches and I need them to work in each and every scenario, so whatever I do, they MUST be reload persistant for when any other mod uses reloadMap()

[midnight sand]

For a Power it needs to be: if Config = =true then check if any of this books was read, if Config == false then this other book.
I can

1. do the check outside the query and just pass the books needed
2. in the query check any book against the config
3. Nest any

I know how to do 1 and 2, but 3 should be possible too

[lucid iron]

yea i think u may just have problems if its a ANY "ANY "GSQ" " with multiple layers of "

idk how game splits stuff in this case it maybe work if u put more \

[midnight sand]

I dont need it at all, its just for the science.

[lucid iron]

yea id look at argutility SplitBySpaceQuoteAware then

since i also dont know behavior off hand

[half tangle]

you could also make your own GSQ and define the conditional behavior within that and then set the power's condition to your GSQ

[brittle pasture]

"ANY \"ANY \\\"GSQ\\\" \" " this probably works

but yes nest hell

[uncut viper]

Pretty sure you can nest ANY safely but if you can at all avoid it, especially in C# where it is easy to avoid it, I would question why someone would not avoid it

[half tangle]

The difficulty is that to define a PowersData, it requires that its Condition is a string

[brittle pasture]

hence custom GSQ

[half tangle]

yep

[proud wyvern]

i wish GSQs just used ( ) or something

[uncut viper]

A custom gsq is dead easy

[subtle condor]

Yeah, the more I look into it, the more I think that this is actually the thing. My code is reload persistant, but not force reload persistant. I would've taken ages to find this out on my own, a huuge thank you

[uncut viper]

That'd conflict with qualified item ids

[proud wyvern]

[ ]

[uncut viper]

That'd conflict with tokenizable strings

[proud wyvern]

{ }

[uncut viper]

That'd conflict with string.Format

[proud wyvern]

< >

[uncut viper]

Don't have anything for that one

[half tangle]

lol

[proud wyvern]

i had another one prepared

[uncut viper]

Unless someone out there is writing generic types in their custom GSQ

[lucid iron]

smh what about xml support

ANY 🪿GSQ 1🪿 🪿GSQ 2🪿

[proud wyvern]

i had BEGIN END in mind

[uncut viper]

If there's one non technical reason against <> it's that it'd confuse people even more about the argument syntax used in all the documentation

[proud wyvern]

i feel like quotes are the worst option out of the bunch haha

[lucid iron]

isnt xml how the data looks like on the xna side in the first place

[uncut viper]

I think if you're using ANY you're already resigning to the worst query writing experience anyway, let alone nesting it

[lucid iron]

we can use ( ) after they turn qualified item ids into a struct trust

[barren tapir]

What am I doing wrong here?

I'm trying to modify the Cannoli statue to open a shop when its clicked, however nothing happens. This works when I change the position to 6.7, which is a pillar by the statue.

I tested this both before and after giving the statue a berry (ideally, this shop would only open after the player has gotten the stardrop from old master cannoli)

[lucid iron]

that tile is for stardrop

[barren tapir]

Is it possible to change it once the player gets the stardrop?

[lucid iron]

yea kinda

you have to do dumb map patch to change that tile to the same tile but from a tileset not named untitled tile sheet

if u have any other choice i would just, not do this lol

[barren tapir]

Whelp, looks like I'm gonna make the pillar activate the shop 😅

WAIT, IS THIS WHY THE CANNOLI COORDINATES ARE THE SAME IN SVE?!?!

[brittle pasture]

no

the coord doesn't matter, what matters is the tile index/tile sheet

(Woods.checkAction)

(maybe it had to be the same in 1.5 idk)

[uncut viper]

Also SVE uses C# it can change whatever it wants

[lucid iron]

yea thats why im specific about the tilehseet name

[strong kite]

Alright major progress, I've got the map loading in PLUS the patch for the Wizard's House, however with said patch there is a small issue: This top left tile does NOT want to change 😭

[barren tapir]

Whelp, I got it working in vanilla stardew. Time to test it with SVE.

A part of me is tempted to make an Old Master Cannoli merchant portrait, but IDK how to draw humans

[ornate locust]

okay so how can I overwrite a community upgrade shortcut, because they seem pretty uh... overpowering

[brittle pasture]

they have map assets you can edit

[strong kite]

Is there a reason why one tile in particular might not overwrite?

[tender bloom]

Nighttiles

[strong kite]

I may have a.. creative solution for this

[tender bloom]

Or daytiles

Or same tile on an upper layer

[ornate locust]

Hm, I don't think the beach one does, or at least I couldn't find it

[strong kite]

Hm.. well considering these are on the highest layer..?

[ornate locust]

(obviously this one isn't on the beach, but I was having this problem with a beach one earlier)

[brittle pasture]

so that image is the mountain bridge which does use a loose map

beach... yeah

[ornate locust]

but huzzah, it does fix this one

[urban patrol]

you should move Buildings2 down to be with the other Buildings, because draw logic doesn’t care about Tiled layer position

you’ll have to put that one on probably Front2 i’m guessing

or Front3

[strong kite]

yep, the tile in question is on Front

Im gonna make a Front4 just cuz it's a change that wont always be there

[barren tapir]

What would be the game state querry for checking if a user has SVE installed?

[brittle pasture]

you can use the CP token directly

it'll then turn into TRUE or FALSE at runtime

[ornate drift]

tasty

[strong kite]

Alright, I've got that tile fixed. Now I need to give it tile data that makes it warp you somewhere on interacting with it, like a warp totem

[ornate drift]

yeah so putting the sitting animation below the bench tile did not work

[ornate locust]

Offset it up

[ornate drift]

i did that

[ornate locust]

Offset it up more

[ornate drift]

wait u mean like

uhhhhh

whats offsetting again...?

[verbal glacier]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Schedule_data#Schedule_points under animation

[ornate locust]

beat me to it

Basically you need to scooch him around via offsets until he sits on the correct spot

[marsh reef]

What on earth is that 😨

[ornate drift]

bear

[barren tapir]

Like this?

[brittle pasture]

that's not a game state query

but yes

GSQs specifically refers to the Condition field in many vanilla data models

[barren tapir]

I'm getting a warning when I'm running without SVE installed since the position 7,7 doesn't have anything on the building layer in vanilla stardew. Is that normal behavior with the when statement?

[brittle pasture]

oh wait I read too quick

no that format is wrong

[marsh reef]

Bro no that’s an Eldrich chimp

[barren tapir]

I had a feeling 😅

[brittle pasture]

When is a top level field in each entry in Change

it cannot be inside MapTiles

[ornate drift]

what offsetting in pixels like...?

[brittle pasture]

you'd need two blocks, one with a When for "no SVE" and one with a When for "has SVE"

[verbal glacier]

individual pixel offset in the y-axis

[ornate drift]

im guessing pos goes up and neg goes down

[verbal glacier]

i think the other way around cause a tile below would be a higher number

[urban patrol]

hey that’s kinda rude…

[calm nebula]

pos is down + right

neg is up + left

[ornate drift]

aughhhhh this game

[calm nebula]

it's computer graphics coordinate not math class coordinate

this is pretty normal for games tb

[marsh reef]

😬 oh.. yea i didnt think of it that way until rn mb 😅

[ornate drift]

its ok dw about i xd

[calm nebula]

(at least you're not in 3d, all four options - z or y up, right or left handed - are all options)

[ornate drift]

okay thats KINDA close

should prob remove that shadow

[toxic topaz]

bear is my fav npc

so chill

[ornate drift]

hes just a silly lil dumdum 🥺

uhhh whats the dialogue command again

!dialogue

[marsh reef]

hows that guy back

[toxic topaz]

they're all just bots

ngl

i dont think it looks half bad

[marsh reef]

oooooo

🙂‍↕️ real test is how stackable it is

[toxic topaz]

idk how ca has the patience to do all the art in this game lol, im running out already

it looks amazing

[marsh reef]

a living was made from the game for him :3 so that helps imo

[toxic topaz]

well yea, money is a huge motivator

i touched art and coding for the first time a week ago lol

*with the intent of actually making something

[marsh reef]

i see i see

🙂‍↕️ i've taken a class or two, idk how to actually code bc memory go brrr, but I do know mostly how to understand what im looking at if i do for a bit

[toxic topaz]

ill prob change the white stuff to sand color

[marsh reef]

🤔 you might wanna change it to a side to side motion rather than up and down 🤔

like rick astley's magical dance

[toxic topaz]

i cant really picture that....

[marsh reef]

that or like a constant moving in bc its quicksand rather than water

[strong kite]

Do I need to do something special to get TileData from my tmx files to load in game?

[marsh reef]

the, wdym

oh, yea you, okay

[toxic topaz]

hmmmm, that sounds good, but i have legit no clue how id draw that lol

[marsh reef]

if it's on the Buildings tiledata section, there has to be a tile in the Buildings layer

[urban patrol]

1. make sure they're snapped to grid
2. make sure you have a tile data on the purple object layer and a tile on the corresponding blue tile layer
3. make sure it's named TileData
4. make sure it has a property (an Action, TouchAction, etc)

[marsh reef]

it needs tile in its respective tile layer to be interactable/usable

oh and it requires to cover the entire block

[marsh reef]

can u send the section of the drawing that is the sandy edges?

not a screenshot, so i can draw on it

[toxic topaz]

do you want a version without the white stuff?

[marsh reef]

[toxic topaz]

ill give you all three then

[ornate drift]

auuughghgh i wanna add more but i dont know what to think of

[strong kite]

Like all of this?

[marsh reef]

do custom love like nuetral dislike and hate gifts

[ornate drift]

is there like any way i can see more event keys

[ornate drift]

already done

[toxic topaz]

@marsh reef

[marsh reef]

make easter egg days then

[ornate drift]

can you trigger the dialogue command here

idk how to do it

[urban patrol]

uhh that doesn't look right to me but maybe you have the updated version of tiled i don't have yet? let me show you

[ornate drift]

[[Dialogue]]

sigh

[urban patrol]

[[Modding:Dialogue]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue

[ornate drift]

oh so THATS how you do it

ok ty nic :3

[urban patrol]

the : means search in the previous namespace

[urban patrol]

see how i have both blue and pink layers on the right? the blue ones are what you paint tiles on and the pink ones are what Objects (TileData) go on

[strong kite]

Oh, it's because I'm viewing the Objects layers specifically hold on

[urban patrol]

oh okay

[urban patrol]

oh they can only go on non-numbered layers

but other than that it looks right

[strong kite]

bro 😭

[urban patrol]

numbered layers have no tile data and no properties, it's purely for drawing purposes

[strong kite]

That's so beans man

[urban patrol]

you can just cut and paste to a different layer

[strong kite]

Yea that's what I'll do

[barren tapir]

My golden statue mod is finished! All I need to do is create a post on Nexus! I'll get to that after dinner. In the mean time, Im gonna work on the next mod in my Money Sinks series of mods!

[tender bloom]

Then check map properties for day/night tiles

[strong kite]

I got that fixed ftr
Thx for the help tho

Okay I got the warp working, only issue is it uses the sound for a door opening and closing which is.. uh.. well not immersive let's just say that

[urban patrol]

oh you can change what sound plays with spacecore

and possibly also BETAS let me see what i did

[strong kite]

I would prefer Spacecore just cuz that's already a dependency for my mod

[urban patrol]

i just don't remember where the warp action comes from, BETAS or spacecore (i use both)

[strong kite]

It's not vanilla?

[urban patrol]

// elevator ding
            "{{ModId}}_CCElevator": {
                "Id": "{{ModId}}_CCElevator",
                "Trigger": "Manual",
                "Actions": [
                    "spacechase0.SpaceCore_PlaySound crystal true",
                    "Spiderbuttons.BETAS_WarpFarmer handwrittenhello.dbda_DeadBoyAgency 6 18 0"
                ]
            },

yeah i needed both

the vanilla warp automatically plays the door sound

[strong kite]

Alright, lemme just get the Sound Effect I wanna use real quick

[urban patrol]

trigger action actions are very slightly different from tile actions

they're all broadly actions but you can't always use them all in both places

[strong kite]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Action I found it here though

next to vanilla game functions

The warp specifically

[urban patrol]

yes, it's a vanilla tile action that warps the player and plays the door noise

[strong kite]

Ahh

[urban patrol]

i'm saying that if you want to warp the player with a different noise, you could set up a trigger action like above, but you need BETAS (or some other framework that can warp the player), because you can't just use a tile action inside of a trigger action

[marsh reef]

pretty mid imo, but yk

[urban patrol]

"trigger action" here being a category, "trigger action action" being a type of action used inside a trigger action

"trigger action action" may also be called a traction because who tf has time to type all that

[strong kite]

Alright wait so I can't use the TileData Warp then?

Sorry I'm bouncing between this and another conversation rn

[urban patrol]

you can! if the door noise doesn't bother you

i was just trying to say that if you want to be fancy, there are options

[toxic topaz]

Sure, I’ll see how it looks

[urban patrol]

for example, most of the time i use tile action warp, but for my elevator, i did that trigger action because i wanted it to ding

[strong kite]

Well the door noise does bother me
I found the sound effect I wanna use

Well not the one I was looking for but one that works well

[urban patrol]

in that case yeah you'll need to use spacecore + some other dependency (i really like BETAS because it has a wide variety of triggers, actions, and GSQs to choose from, but i bet MMAP can also do it, and perhaps others like MEEP? idk)

[strong kite]

Can Spacecore not do the play sound or warp then?

Warp judging by the code you sent

[urban patrol]

i'd have to check the docs

spacecore doesn't add too much in terms of actions though

BETAS is like adding more vocabulary and spacecore is more like being able to construct other sentences, in a kind of poor metaphor

[strong kite]

Hm.. Spacecore seems to have functions for warp totem object functionality but not like tile warps

[urban patrol]

yeah if it doesn't have it as a traction specifically you're SOL with it

but again, there are frameworks that do add it!

[toxic topaz]

@marsh reef I’ll check it in a bit, I’m making a chocolate cake right now

[marsh reef]

oooo yumyyyy

[uncut viper]

(BETAS has a play sound traction as well)

[graceful ore]

hello does anyone know where sdv keeps the (vanilla) sprites for paths such as cobblestone + weathered floor? i unpacked the xnbs and in the paths.png it made i just see logs + stone ^^'

[strong kite]

Ahh classic. I forgot a comma

[verbal glacier]

I believe TileSheets/Floors.png

[graceful ore]

thank you 🙏

[strong kite]

can I run two actions through the same TileData?

Like do I just put them in one after another, do I separate them with a comma, or is it just not possible? Cuz it wasnt letting me insert 2 separate Actions in Custom Properties

[latent mauve]

not without a framework, I think there's one that does this?

[strong kite]

Alright I think I'll just run the sound with Spacecore then

[strong kite]

Where exactly is this code within your files?

[urban patrol]

oh yeah you have to set up the trigger action and then activate it via a tile data that calls a spacecore function to run said trigger action

[uncut viper]

I'm not sure of a framework that does it but both Spacecore and BETAS can also just run arbitrary Data/TriggerActions entries via tile actions so you can put as many actions as you want via those

[latent mauve]

Yeah, I think I was thinking of that as a workaround

[urban patrol]

this is in data/TriggerActions.json and you can find the map at assets/maps/CommunityCenter_Ruins_Redux.tmx

[uncut viper]

(There may very well be a framework tbh I just dunno it.)

[strong kite]

Alright so what I'm hearing is I should finally cave and just add BETAS as a dependency
Not against it, just would've preferred not adding another dependency is all

[urban patrol]

the good news is that BETAS is pretty popular so lots of people have it already

[latent mauve]

(I went looking for MMAP in case it was there, which it isn't, but there are a lot of other cool doubled up tile property setups)

Can be used as either Action or TouchAction.
- Combines ChangeIntoSwimsuit/ChangeOutOfSwimsuit/PoolEntrance into one action so that a single tile is enough for entering a pool.```
this one is very nice, for example

I'm also reminded that MMAP is where the cool panorama property is xD

[urban patrol]

i gave you bad information; for some reason the base map patch has just Warp? i think i add it inside of Compat.json because this was before BETAS was compatible with android, so i changed it conditionally. let me find that patch

[strong kite]

I've added BETAS dependency, do I still want to keep the TileData boxes where they are?

[urban patrol]

    "Action": "EditMap",
    "Target": "Maps/CommunityCenter_Ruins",
    "MapTiles": [
        {
            "Position": {
                "X": 49,
                "Y": 17
            },
            "Layer": "Buildings",
            "SetProperties": {
                "Action": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_TriggerAction {{ModId}}_CCElevator"
            },
        },
        {
            "Position": {
                "X": 50,
                "Y": 17
            },
            "Layer": "Buildings",
            "SetProperties": {
                "Action": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_TriggerAction {{ModId}}_CCElevator"
            },
        },
    ],
    "When": {
        "HasMod |contains=Spiderbuttons.BETAS": true,
    }
},```

this is how i conditionally changed it to only happen when the player has BETAS installed (but if you have BETAS as a hard requirement, just put that Action directly into your TileData, no entire patch needed)

[urban patrol]

yep, just change them to be Action spacechase0.SpaceCore_etc etc instead of Action Warp

or BETAS instead of spacecore, like button said, they can both run trigger actions via tile data

[marsh reef]

my ftm isnt showing any errors but isnt spawning anything :(

mmm, hold

[urban patrol]

does trace have anything in it, maybe? i can't really help with that since idk FTM at all but you could check there since i know it doesn't log by default

[ornate locust]

Christ the bots are out today

[iron ridge]

quite a few

i think that one got around bouncer too? it was up for longer than they usually are

[uncut viper]

( )

[brittle pasture]

for any interested parties, Extra Animal Config's documentation has been reworked to be 20% less terrible
https://github.com/zombifier/My_Stardew_Mods/tree/master/ExtraAnimalConfig

[toxic topaz]

@marsh reef ummmm, idk lol

[brittle pasture]

(not sure if worth showcasing)

[marsh reef]

I had it faster 😅

[toxic topaz]

ahh yea ill up the framerate

[marsh reef]

500 was aight

[lucid iron]

u mean its 25% better

[toxic topaz]

well this is mostly just where the tide meets the shoreline, so i think ill just change the white stuff to be transparent and go from there

animation looks good at 500 though

[marsh reef]

oh bro i thought you were still talking about the quicksand river

😭

[toxic topaz]

this is that tho

[marsh reef]

😎 im so lost

[toxic topaz]

lol, ill try to apply the water texture to sand and see what it looks like in game

with the siding

[void aspen]

You lack some pixels there huh

[toxic topaz]

idk, im just trying to make a sandbank(?) for my sand river

[void aspen]

One frame seems to be cut

[strong kite]

If all this code works first try (sans missing commas) I'm gonna be so stoked

[marsh reef]

had the wrong file name for the farm :3

oh but that's... wronk

[strong kite]

Okay I really messed up the brackets in a file

[toxic topaz]

...so turns out setting a tile as being water forces the water effect to be blue

and to flow upward

[strong kite]

Based on my understanding from seeing this error before, I'm guessing I used the wrong kind of bracket somewhere..

[urban patrol]

can't use MapTiles in an EditData to Data/Locations

maps and locations are actually different annoyingly

[strong kite]

Alright, so do I need to add a new Action EditData then?

[urban patrol]

no, action editmap

or just build it into your map in tiled

[strong kite]

Aight I got it close enough

[urban patrol]

i only made it a JSON patch because i needed a condition on it

[strong kite]

Oh! Alright!

wait... I already have it set up like that in Tiled... why did I do this in the first place

Alright and it works perfectly!
Although I'm noticing a trend.. the sound effects I add are really quiet, even after I had turned up my sound effects volume

[urban patrol]

did you add a custom one?

[void aspen]

That looks silly

[strong kite]

Yea I've added 3 custom ones now

are they being controlled by the sound slider...?

[urban patrol]

you can open it in audacity or some other software and increase the volume

[strong kite]

I just turned it up and they sound the same volume

[urban patrol]

just don't let it get into the yellow/red

[void aspen]

Wait I can make a tree that have monster cans on it

[marsh reef]

very silly, idk why its being spawned on the grass 😭

[void aspen]

Yummy

[void aspen]

Spawn beach T?

Don't remember

[strong kite]

okay no they are affected by the sound slider..

[void aspen]

Wait that's for crates

[strong kite]

Okay no why does the music sound close to how it sounds straight from the file but the sound effects sound quieter than from the file??

[marsh reef]

i- ... what

[spiral garnet]

there is no like easy way to make animated furniture like you can make animated outfits right.

[marsh reef]

furniture framework isnt too hard

[strong kite]

In Audacity the sounds already reach yellow/red but they are like way quieter in game

[urban patrol]

hmm unfortunately idk anything about audio in the game really :/ idk why they would be quiet if you turned them up and also have the sound effects volume set to max

[brittle pasture]

FF is an option as mentioned; you can also use SpaceCore's animate feature

it allows you to animate any texture region

debatable if they're 'easy' though

[marsh reef]

its intuitive imo if you're looking at a mod that uses animation with it

i've made some animated windows with it for my self but bro could look at em

[strong kite]

So here's how these sound in game with everything else muted but sound effects at max

And then here's the raw files

[marsh reef]

sounds like mcd mobs :3

[strong kite]

And also the music for comparison

The first sound effect I had added also sounds weirdly quiet 😭

Which I did recognize at the time

-# I am also curious if anyone recognizes where these sound effects are from

[marsh reef]

pokemon

tower

maybe

or

that one ship

[spiral garnet]

thank you all for the info

[marsh reef]

what

[strong kite]

The music is from Pokemon, but the sound effects I've shown off are not from Pokemon

[marsh reef]

my best guess is wow orrrrr

idk

[strong kite]

Nope :)

hm.. I have an idea.. it's a terrible idea but it is an idea

[marsh reef]

what idea

[strong kite]

I'm gonna change them from Sounds to Music

Since I know Music plays at the correct volume

I know this changes what volume slider they're affected by

[marsh reef]

outside of bestbuys back when new consoles were mainly bought in person

[strong kite]

WTF THEY'RE STILL QUIET?!

[marsh reef]

they are quite quiet

it compared to a very calm part of mice on venus

[strong kite]

Yeah no it should not be QUIET quiet

[marsh reef]

bout as loud as this

[strong kite]

Is it because the Rift Ambiance has like 2 tracks for.. some reason-??

[marsh reef]

no that looks like its left and right

that doesnt mean much

[urban patrol]

that's just left and right audio i'm p sure

[strong kite]

Why is this happening 😭
I thought adding sound effects was super easy cuz it was at first, why can't ANYTHING just work properly first try
-# I mean I guess the music track worked properly first try so YIPPEE

[marsh reef]

trying something new almost never works first try

[toxic topaz]

id still prefer that to doing the art im trying to do rn

[strong kite]

Is there anyone I could ping and ask who might know what's going on?

[urban patrol]

if nobody online knows the answer right now, you can ask again in a bit. although i thought burritoblanket said it was pretty quiet in audacity

[strong kite]

Wait so is my Audacity software just lying to me then? Cuz it's pretty loud for me

oh jesus christ and I have it to playback at only 20% volume

[urban patrol]

you can try opening up a vanilla sound in audacity to compare

[strong kite]

Where are the sounds located in the Content (Unpacked)?

[urban patrol]

i think you have to do something special to extract them, but idk what

[uncut viper]

They aren't. They require particular unpacking

[urban patrol]

oh good button is here

[strong kite]

gahh dangit

[uncut viper]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Audio#Unpack_audio_files

[latent mauve]

Are you just trying to figure out the volume issue, still?

[strong kite]

Indeed

Alright compared to vanilla sounds they sound fine? if anything they sound louder

[latent mauve]

Have you reloaded the game after changing them?

I don't think you can get away with just a patch reload for Audio Changes because of when they take effect.

[strong kite]

I'll try loading the game fresh after changing them to music yea

nope still quiet

Honestly set to music they're even QUIETER

I'm gonna try it the other way around, see what happens if I set the music to Sound

[uncut viper]

Audio changes should respect a patchb reload afaik, they just cant be undone afterwards without re-patching them with different audio

But I'm only like 80% on that

[strong kite]

Oh hey I got the rare ConcernedApe logo thing again

[latent mauve]

My only other thought would be to check your actual in-game volume sliders, but if the in-game music that isn't changed sounds louder than your custom music and it's the same type, that shouldn't matter?

[strong kite]

okay the music still sounds about the same volume...

Is it something with SpaceCore's play sound actions?? no wait it wouldn't be cuz the first sound I made was also quiet...

And like.. these 2 sounds are from a different source from that other sound

And the other sound I'm playing during an event

[latent mauve]

What are your volume sliders set at?

[strong kite]

    "Changes": [
    {
        "Action": "EditData",
        "Target": "Data/AudioChanges",
        "Entries": {
            "{{ModId}}_DarkraiCry": {
            "ID": "{{ModId}}_DarkraiCry",
            "Category": "Sound",
            "FilePaths": [ "{{AbsoluteFilePath: assets/darkraicry.ogg}}" ],
            "StreamedVorbis": true,
            "Looped": false
            },
            "{{ModId}}_RiftEntry": {
            "ID": "{{ModId}}_RiftEntry",
            "Category": "Sound",
            "FilePaths": [ "{{AbsoluteFilePath: assets/RiftEntry.ogg}}" ],
            "StreamedVorbis": true,
            "Looped": false
            },
            "{{ModId}}_RiftExit": {
            "ID": "{{ModId}}_RiftExit",
            "Category": "Sound",
            "FilePaths": [ "{{AbsoluteFilePath: assets/RiftExit.ogg}}" ],
            "StreamedVorbis": true,
            "Looped": false
            },
                "{{ModId}}_RiftDimensionAmbiance": {
                    "ID": "{{ModId}}_RiftDimensionAmbiance",
                    "Category": "Music",
                    "FilePaths": [ "{{AbsoluteFilePath: assets/RiftDimensionAmbiance.ogg}}" ],
                    "StreamedVorbis": true,
                    "Looped": true
                }```
What is making the first 3 different from the 4th 😭 
Is it that it's looped?? surely not

[strong kite]

I've been setting the sound slider to max

[strong kite]

For demonstration

[marsh reef]

ftm gonna explode my brein dude

[latent mauve]

I'm out of ideas then

[strong kite]

I guess do I just overcompensate by making the audio files louder??

[latent mauve]

Yeah, I played them back with an audio meter and yours were a solid 4-5 decibels quieter

[strong kite]

maybe I make them quieter? Maybe they're so loud that something in the game is making them quieter? Cuz I noticed while some of the vanilla sounds were loud, they weren't peaking into the red volume territory

this feels like crazy cope, though

I'll lower the dB for one and raise it for another and see what happens

[latent mauve]

you said you're using spacecore to trigger the sounds?

What happens if you trigger a vanilla sound with spacecore? Does the volume shift?

[strong kite]

okay I can definitely tell the files are higher and lower dB but actual loudness they are the same...

[strong kite]

Well this isn't the only place this is happening, it's also happening in the event I've scripted

Honestly they sound like muffled or something

[uncut viper]

Are you accidentally exporting the .oggs with a lower bitrate or quality or something

(I don't do anything with audio this is the extent of the suggestions I have on offer)

[strong kite]

I mean I'm not exporting them at all, these are basically straight from the internet

[latent mauve]

....okay, question: Are the sounds mono or stereo?

[strong kite]

judging by the fact that the music track had left and right tracks while the others did not I'm gonna guess Mono

[latent mauve]

My only other thought was maybe the format you're using and the format vanilla has is a mismatch as far as mono/stereo sounds

[strong kite]

maybe that actually is it.. it's the only other difference I'm seeing

Wait a minute..

wait wait I think you're onto something

the vanilla sounds I extracted are also stereo

please let this work

[latent mauve]

the fact that you said it sounded muffled made me think that it might be a mono sound versus a stereo sound comparison.

[strong kite]

YES

OMG THAT WAS IT

now I need to lower the volume a bit cuz they might be a liiiiittle too loud

[strong kite]

But thank you!!!

[uncut viper]

Nothing will satisfy you huh 🙄 /j

[latent mauve]

LOL

[strong kite]

[uncut viper]

I'll have to make a mental note about mono vs stereo for audio issues now. Strange one

[latent mauve]

Basically, if you want to add audio and have it blend with the vanilla, make sure it's Stereo. 😛

[strong kite]

i should actually see how the first sound actually.. sounds in game now before making it quieter

I havent watched my cutscene in a while

[latent mauve]

Might be something to add to the wiki page under the Audio Format info?

[strong kite]

Oh yeah, this page https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Audio doesn't mention Mono or Stereo at all

At least from doing a ctrl+f search

[latent mauve]

Audio file format would be a good place to make the note that base game audio is in Stereo

[strong kite]

oh right I forgot I still have to figure out a smooth camera pan for my cutscene

Or maybe not I forgot I found another solution for it

Alright it actually sounds fine!

[uncut viper]

(I have added a bit to the wiki page)

[strong kite]

oh wait right I forgot my volume is really low.. darnit i need to watch the cutscene again

[latent mauve]

Thanks Button!

[strong kite]

Alright yeah I think the volume for that is fine. tho im questioning if I actually implemented the lowered volume for the other ones

[ornate locust]

wish me luck

I hooked up allllllll the bridge map patches I just did and I am about to test

the forest ones had more compatibility bits than I expected

which is silly, because I know the forest is compatibility hell

today in "curses entirely of my own making"

[strong kite]

Now that I've got the new location and the way between them all set up, how do I set it up so that the map patch only exists after the player has viewed a certain event?

[gaunt orbit]

Set a mail flag in the event and then check it in your when conditions

[strong kite]

Could I theoretically have it check if a quest has been completed and possibly have said quest complete at the end of the event?

[gaunt orbit]

Completed quests are discarded and not stored, so the only way to check if a previous quest was completed is to attach a mail flag to it

[strong kite]

Ah, alright

[gaunt orbit]

So you could do it that way but either approach is going to end up with using a mail flag

[strong kite]

So.. by mail flag do you mean literal letter in the mailbox or..?

[gaunt orbit]

Basically the main ways that progression data is tracked are

• mail flags
• conversation topics
• stats (local only)
• world state (hardcoded, only some things cp-accessible)

[strong kite]

Ohh alright

I know to get this event to start I'm using a conversation topic but I kinda feel like I should change that

[gaunt orbit]

So you can set a mail as received, and if there's no letter data for the mail id you set, the player doesn't see it but it's still stored

[strong kite]

Ah, alright!

[gaunt orbit]

Vanilla does this too for a lot of things. Afaik most of the non-book vanilla powers work this way

(book powers are stat-based)

[strong kite]

Ohh, alright!

I gotta find where in my files I actually set up the conversation topic system 😭

I've added like 20 files since then

OH RIGHT I think it's in buffs

Yeah the buff gives the conversation topic

Alright I guess I can just convert that into a mail flag?

[gaunt orbit]

If you don't mind it being permanent, yes

[strong kite]

Hm... I'll need there to be a way for this to only happen once

[uncut viper]

Completed quests do generate a conversation topic which IS stored, but currently you need Spacecore to access it in a GSQ

In 1.6.16 there will be GSQs for both quests completed and also previously active CTs so it'll be vanilla doable

[gaunt orbit]

They're using cp conditions, do those have access to CTs?

[uncut viper]

Not previously active ones, but current ones, yes

{{HasConversationTopic}}

[gaunt orbit]

Then mail flags are probably the right choice

[strong kite]

I do not know these acronyms

[gaunt orbit]

[[Modding:Game_state_queries]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[strong kite]

do i have to specify the player for AddMail trigger action?

[gaunt orbit]

That's what GSQ stands for

[uncut viper]

Yes.

[strong kite]

Ohhh ok ty

[empty owl]

how possible is to change the horse animation?

[strong kite]

I guess I'll use Current player?

[empty owl]

i mean ik that with content patcher u can change the sprite of it easily, but what if the sprite u wanna use is not horse-like

and u need to change the player's position

[gaunt orbit]

Replacing the art is easy, changing the animation logic is hard

[uncut viper]

You won't be able to do that with Content Patcher

[empty owl]

oof 💔

[uncut viper]

You can try the Custom Mounts framework

[empty owl]

wanted to have bewear as mount

[gaunt orbit]

All things are possible with harmony if you're willing to do the hard work required, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not trying

Oh yeah custom mounts will work if you don't mind adding a new mount instead of replacing the horse

[empty owl]

dont mind

i think it will be hard, idk pixelarting 😭

[empty owl]

tho

pokemons have public sprites

[gaunt orbit]

We have a command for it

[empty owl]

hmmm

[strong kite]

Does having an event remove a quest count as completing it? Or is it effectively the same?

[gaunt orbit]

If you rip art nexus will ban your mod

[uncut viper]

Removing a quest will not complete the quest, no.

[empty owl]

it would be a personal mod i wouldnt post it xD

[uncut viper]

If there is a completeQuest event command though, that would complete it. But the trigger action RemoveQuest will not

[gaunt orbit]

Then by all means

[strong kite]

wait shit is this real?

[uncut viper]

It's art you don't own the rights to, so technically yes it is both illegal and against nexus TOS. Whether they will remove it is non-determinable, but you'd be risking it.

[gaunt orbit]

The punishment depends on the severity but in general yeah. If you don't have the rights to whatever art or assets your mod is using, nexus will remove your mod from their site

[strong kite]

Well uhhh- My mod did that and it's been up for 2 years now

[empty owl]

DONT SAY IT-

💀

[lucid iron]

i feel like its just matter of scale lol

[whole prism]

Quick question for any experts in the chat

I'm trying to see how I should structure my mods character quests/letters/triggers

Should I just combine them all into a triggers.json, quests.json, and mail.json? (maybe 900 lines all total)

Or should I do what im doing here (experimental) and break it up for every character instead of seperation as bigger blobs of jsons?

[gaunt orbit]

"illegal" is questionable since it may qualify as a transformative work if it doesn't make money, but yeah it is against nexus tos

[lucid iron]

but the ToS says no dont do it

[uncut viper]

I wouldn't say taking a sprite from a Pokemon game and dropping it into a stardew mod is transformative, but I am not a lawyer. Very few people in this server are lawyers though

[empty owl]

at the moment i just did 3 mods, one to change the catalogue price, one to make hardwood give 5 fences instead of 1 and one to add custom music to jukebox

[empty owl]

there are actual lawyers here?

[whole prism]

It's a large server, it's guarrentied there is

[uncut viper]

There's 300,000 people in the server. A few are bound to be lawyers.

[empty owl]

true

[long jungle]

Very diverse group of people

[uncut viper]

That said don't go looking to them for legal advice either unless you are actually going to hire them as a lawyer obviously

[torpid sparrow]

there are a few although idk if it's publicly shared

or at least students

[severe cairn]

How many hotfixes are too many lmao

[long jungle]

Hey guys, is it possible to change the description of professions with CP or is it hard-coded?

By description, I mean the details you see when picking a new profession after you sleep.

[uncut viper]

If something is broken and you can fix it, you should fix it

[strong kite]

Alright alright I need to stop worrying about that and finish what I'm doing

[torpid sparrow]

i did 5 in one day

[severe cairn]

👍 thankie

[whole prism]

Nintendo is one of the more strict patent holders, what you do with their characters is up to them to decide on how they'd want to pursue action against said person(s)

[gaunt orbit]

No such thing

[torpid sparrow]

you should avoid being like me but also you're not alone

[uncut viper]

Every string a player can see exists somewhere in content. Likely somewhere in Strings/UI maybe

[torpid sparrow]

nintendo is incredibly litigious </3

[whole prism]

For version 1.2 of ASF, I released 5 bug fixes in a span of 2-3 weeks

[uncut viper]

Or just do a Ctrl F inside the Strings folder

[severe cairn]

it's pretty minor, just event pathing due to SVE maps, if it was gameplay related it would be a must-fix, but hey feels better knowing the rapid hotfixes are common lol

so we putting out yet another hotfix

[torpid sparrow]

i mean if its giving smapi error i usually do it fast, bc people will keep reporting it

[strong kite]

this fact is exclusively why I hadn't opted into the reward program on Nexus^^

[long jungle]

Thanks Button!

[torpid sparrow]

even if its rather insignificant

[strong kite]

And I will never opt this mod into the reward program

[torpid sparrow]

but if its not game breaking and i have other things planned/bugs to fix, i just batch it

[strong kite]

Why is my name rainbow now

[severe cairn]

haha no no no smapi error, just them walking through bushes and farmer spawning into the wrong location due to the mines changing location in SVE

[torpid sparrow]

you yap a lot

[gaunt orbit]

Congrats on being chatty lol

[uncut viper]

Every Sunday night, the 10 people who chatted the most in this server get the special Ol Slitherlegs role.

[gaunt orbit]

You got slitherlegs

[strong kite]

Oh- Huh, neat!

[uncut viper]

It lasts a week and once you get it, it goes on cooldown for you personally for 3 weeks

[whole prism]

You're safe from issues, as long as you comply with this:

• Profiting from merchandise is illegal, as in selling, private access to exclusive merchandise before others see it, in any way if you can obtain money, it's considered profiting off another holders content.

[torpid sparrow]

LOL

[whole prism]

Oh, and, its recommended that you make the sprite yourself as well, else it could cause issues with the patent holder

[strong kite]

Yee I have 0 intentions to make money from this mod

[uncut viper]

No one in here should be telling anyone they are for sure safe from any legal issues when it comes to anything but extremely clear cut situations

And even then

[torpid sparrow]

you can be sued for anything, whether or not its successful is a different question

[long jungle]

One day I'll just put this on my changelog without providing any details

[whole prism]

A great example is Pokemon Gamma Emerald. Nintendo was fine with it, as long as their game:

Does not sell merchandise
Does not use original artwork designed by Nintendo
Does not claim/patent work as their own, or include a license in any of their asset(s) as yours, even if under GNU AGPL v3.0, and similar

However, that is between you and the company, still

[torpid sparrow]

but nobody wants to undergo a lawsuit, its expensive and time consuming

[strong kite]

Im not expecting to be sued by nintendo, the only thing I'm worried about is the mod being removed from Nexus, which.. if that happens, that REALLY sucks but this is more of a personal mod that I uploaded cuz I felt good about it