making-mods-general

[ornate locust]

Like Sophia's position is right, but it shows her standing on Caroline, who got moved via map patch

[peak halo]

Any videos I can watch on this anywhere?

[vernal crest]

No, there are no videos up to date for 1.6 that I know of

[ornate locust]

yeah, the more I look at this, the more it seems like people were moved in the SVE map patches and that didn't come across in the positions on the site. I thought they'd moved it later, but maybe position changes just weren't caught since they were in maps.

[silk basalt]

hrmmm okay, how do i go about making something on a map interactible? is it something i do in the programming phase or is it something i can do in tiled?

[calm nebula]

What type of interaction do you want

[silk basalt]

like, going up to a sofa and remarking that it looks comfy, or identifying a person in a photo hanging on a wall

my tiled project, while not impressive wasn't as scuffed as i remembered!

[ornate locust]

The sofa one might be odd because sittableness is part of objects you can sit on

[silk basalt]

ahhh that's very true, i might not add the sofa one then

i definitely want to keep the one with the photos though!

[ornate locust]

But otherwise, that'd be a touch action. You can do that in Tiled, let me see

[short temple]

Change the sofa for a table or a workbench maybe?

[ornate locust]

sorry, not a touch action, the name of that one always confuses me. An action

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Action Action Message may be what you want

Lots of mods use those to pop up flavor text when you use a spot

You just put the text into strings

[summer spoke]

I'm working on the json.file for the SMPAI mod and Content Pack and it's asking for a description. It's not set in stone, is it? Like, if I decide to add something to it, it won't destroy anything if I change it, will it?

[vernal crest]

That's correct

[summer spoke]

Thank you

What's a D11 File?

[hard fern]

a dll file is (very very simply put) kind of like the content.json for SMAPI mods. it has all the information for the mod to work in it

if the mod you want to make doesn't need C# then you don't have to worry about it

[summer spoke]

Right, okay. Thank you. So, how do I know if I need a C#? I've been reading the wiki pages, but I still don't understand that. Sorry

[hard fern]

🤔 im not anywhere near an expert on C# but from what i've heard, you need C# if the mod you want to make will require changing the game's logic

[summer spoke]

Right, since that doesn't sound like something I'll be doing, can I just pass it by and ignore it?

[hard fern]

i mean yeah if you don't think you need it you don't have to look at any of the C# articles

[summer spoke]

No, sorry, I should've been more clear, my fault. I was talking about the D11 File.

[hard fern]

you mean DLL right?

[summer spoke]

Is that what it is? Sorry, my brain doesn't work well sometimes. It kinda looks like two 1

[silk basalt]

in tiled, which objects in the path layer mean there's a monster?

[summer spoke]

EntryDll

Right from the past

paste

[hard fern]

yeah, you only need that if you're making a C# mod

[summer spoke]

Thank you

[hard fern]

(a SMAPI mod)

[vernal crest]

When you say ignore it, what do you mean? Do you have a file in your mod that's a .dll?

[iron ridge]

i dont think theres a paths object to spawn enemies

[summer spoke]

No, I'm kind of going by the wikipedia page

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Manifest

I thought that was just kind of teaching me the outline

Was I wrong?

[vernal crest]

Ah yeah it can be confusing that the manifest info is in the C# modding section. You're fine to keep using this page, just ignore the parts that mention being for a SMAPI mod.

[summer spoke]

Okay, I understand. Thank you

What are the update keys?

[vernal crest]

They're how your users know that there's an update. If you release on Nexus, the key for that is the number of your mod page.

[summer spoke]

Thank you

Is it okay if I copy and paste my manifest.json here to see if it is what it needs to be?

[vernal crest]

!codeblock Sure, but please use a codeblock

[ocean sail]

You can embed code in Discord using a series of three ` :
```
Your code can go here
Even if not a haiku
Just an example
```

For syntax highlighting, add the language code on the same line as the first
``` (with no space, like ```json).
The usual codes are cs (C#) and json.

To use this command, type !codeblock.

[summer spoke]

''' {
"Name": "DemonSlayerPitiable",
"Author": "MySafeLittleCorner",
"Version": "1.6.15",
"UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.DemonSlayerPitiable",
"UpdateKeys": [40724],
"ContentPackFor": {
"UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.ContentPatcher",
"MinimumVersion": "1.6.15"
}
}

Right?

[vernal crest]

You want backticks, not apostrophes

[summer spoke]

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know the difference. Sorry

[vernal crest]

Backticks are usually on the same key as the tilde ~

[summer spoke]

{
    "Name": "DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "Author": "MySafeLittleCorner",
    "Version": "1.6.15",
    "UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "UpdateKeys": [40724],
    "ContentPackFor": {
            "UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.ContentPatcher",
            "MinimumVersion": "1.6.15"
    }
} 

There we go!

Thank you

[vernal crest]

Two parts are wrong:

• UpdateKeys, you need quote marks around it and you need the word Nexus: in front of it like this "UpdateKeys": [ "Nexus:2400" ]
• Your mod is a content pack for Content Patcher so you need to use CP's unique ID instead of MySafeLittleCorner.ContentPatcher

@silk basalt Are you wanting to add a vanilla tilesheet to your map or one from a tilesheet mod?

[vernal crest]

Oh, you're also missing the Description field and your version should be 1.0.0 because it's the version of your mod, not the game version

[summer spoke]

Knew I was missing something. Thank you

[fresh lintel]

Happy new Year!!!!!

[silk basalt]

happy new year y'all!!

[fresh lintel]

🎆 Happy New Year! 🎆

I’m welcoming the new year the best way I know how:
releasing a new version of the mod to fix a bug 😄

Version 0.0.9 is now out, bringing a small but important fix.

If anyone is around and willing to help, I’d really appreciate it if someone could post this update on the mod’s showcase — that would help a lot.

Thanks to everyone for the support, feedback, and patience. I'm glad to be part of this community. All of you are very special
May your crops grow fast, your saves stay safe, and your mods never break ✨

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26447

[summer spoke]

Happy New Year

[forest rover]

Happy New Year Everybody!

[summer spoke]

Do I need to put ContentPatcher and SMAPI both in the mod file I'm working on, or do they just go into the all-around mod file?

[iron ridge]

you dont include dependencies in your mod's files

[crude plank]

I actually have no idea

[summer spoke]

Right. Okay, thank you

[iron ridge]

and you cant load the content pack without content patcher and smapi so they dont need to go into the dependencies section

[ornate locust]

Yeah sorry to deliver bad news. But I think the vanilla NPCs moved in map patches for SVE instead of by text are not updated right. I went through the fair maps first and that seemed to be the case. When the sky isn't exploding, I can try to figure out how to do a PR to fix that? And maybe the icon for Andy being Sandy.

I was going through the maps but then the fireworks started up again and I can't hear myself damn think

[summer spoke]

How do I find CP's unique ID?

[iron ridge]

Pathoschild.ContentPatcher

it's in the manifest.json

[summer spoke]

Thank you

    "Name": "DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "Author": "MySafeLittleCorner",
    "Version": "1.6.15",
    "Description": "After helping the child you found unconscious near the bust stop, you never expected to be drawn into the mystery that surrounds the Demon Slayers. Now you need to help them figure out exactly how they got there in the first place, and just what they're going to do in a world wihtout demons to slay."
    "UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "UpdateKeys": ["Nexus:40724"],
    "ContentPackFor": {
            "UniqueID": "Pathoschild.ContentPatcher",
            "MinimumVersion": "1.6.15"
    }
}```

Better?

I feel like I could do better the with Description the farther along I get with the game, but that was the best I can do right now.

[iron ridge]

minimumversion is the framework's version

not the game

same for your mod version, not being the game version

[summer spoke]

right, okay

So, should they be found in the manifest?

Right, dumb question. Should've thought a little more before asking, truthfully.

[north plover]

Does anyone know if it's possible to retexture mod-added craftables using Alternative Textures? If so, how would one go about doing so, is there a guide to doing so that I can check out? Asking because I got a request from a mod user of one of my AT packs.

[vernal crest]

Yes, you just use the normal AT documentation and use the craftable's id in the name or item id field (not at computer so I can't remember what defines which field to use).

[silk basalt]

how do i add properties to a tile in tiled, then? :0

like, touchaction or regular actions?

[vernal crest]

Have you looked at the maps page on the wiki?

It explains that

[north plover]

Aweome, thank you for the information, it's much appreciated!

[silk basalt]

so to confirm, i put the property type down, then in the string put in the data for it...? like i put TouchAction ConditionalDoor in the property, then in the string put in a friendship level like the wiki shows?

i just wanna make sure i don't make it completely explode lmao

like, i'm trying to make it so you have to be a certain friendship level to enter his room, this is the right way to do it yes?;;

or should i use the door action instead?;;; sorry, it's overwhelming a bit again

[vernal crest]

Yes, but if you want it to be on a door rather than just a doorway, you should use the Action instead of TouchAction.

[silk basalt]

i think i have it, thank you

will i need to make an entry in one of the .json files to have the text pop up when interacting with an object? or is there a simple, like, show text command i missed?;;; sorry

[vernal crest]

You should, yes. There are ways to do it without json but then you can't use i18n and it means anyone translating your mod would have to share a copy of your entire map. It's not considered good practice.

To do it the best practice way, you'll want to use Action Message or Action Letter in the map, with a key like <ModId>.string.bookcase (it can be whatever you want and written however you like, mine is just an example - but do put your mod id in it so it's unique).

In your json you write a EditData patch with the Target Strings\StringsFromMaps. The entry keys will be the keys that you put in the map. The value will be an i18n token, and then in your default.json you write the actual text for the player to see.

Let me know if you need an example.

[silk basalt]

an example would be great, actually, if you don't mind;;

i THINK i know what to do but after my war with the commas last night i'd like to have something to start from lmao

[vernal crest]

Ok give me a minute

!tilesheetinator @silk basalt By the way, are you using the Tilesheetinator?

[ocean sail]

You can use the Tilesheetinator tiled extension to create Stardew Valley maps that work in-game without having to copy vanilla and modded tilesheets back-and-forth, rename files with a . in front of their name, edit maps only in the unpacked content folder or make symlink workarounds.

See the mod page for full installation and use instructions.

To use this command, type !tilesheetinator.

[vernal crest]

Screenshot shows the map, then below we've got the strings and the i18n. You can do even the map part in json if you want to, by using an EditMap patch with the MapTiles field.

{
// content.json
            "LogName": "Add map strings",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Strings/StringsFromMaps",
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModID}}_LongDrop": "{{i18n: map.long-drop}}",
                "{{ModID}}_Track1": "{{i18n: map.track.1}}",
                "{{ModID}}_Track2": "{{i18n: map.track.2}}",
                "{{ModID}}_RoadSign": "{{i18n: map.road-sign}}",
                "{{ModID}}_PicnicSign": "{{i18n: map.picnic-sign}}",
            }
        },
// default.json
{
    "map.long-drop": "It's a long drop. You realise that maybe you don't want to go in there.",
    "map.track.1": "The track continues for a way before turning right and disappearing. Maybe one day you will take a walk down there. Not today, though.",
    "map.track.2": "You see a small wooden bridge over the river and then the track disappears into the gloom under the trees. This must be the return point for Star Trail.",
    "map.road-sign": "Zuzu Highway, 3 miles. This must be how Hiria got her RV into the park. The gate is closed for now.",
    "map.picnic-sign": "Cindersap Forest picnic area. Dispose of litter thoughtfully."
}

[silk basalt]

thank you!!

[vernal crest]

I strongly recommend starting to use the tilesheetinator if you're not already. It makes mapmaking much less error prone.

[silk basalt]

where can i find that?

oh there it is never mind

thank you!! sorry for the trouble

[silk basalt]

you may have to walk me through getting i18n set up as well, sorry, i couldn't really sus it out myself last night;;;

[vernal crest]

Have you read through these two links?
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Translation#i18n_folder
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/translations.md

[silk basalt]

so uh, let me see if i understand...? i'm going to be putting all of the dialogue and map text into the i18n folder instead under a default title, then using that as a key to inject the data into the files in the assets folder...?

sorry, i understand the basic stuff, but i get intimidated when i see all the. other stuff

like, with this example from the github page, i know what's going on until we get to the double brackets, and then i start worrying i'm not getting it anymore;;;

sorry for being difficult about this, i'm just. trying to make sure i get it

[vernal crest]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a default title, but you're roughly correct about the rest. It doesn't get injected into the files though, CP swaps the data from the EditData (etc) patches in your content.json with the text that is in the default.json before it passes it to the game.

[silk basalt]

oh the default title i meant is. er. default.json like you said yeah
i wasn't sure too should i call that english instead? or keep it as default?

[vernal crest]

You're not being difficult at all, don't worry. It can be tricky to follow at first. And that example you've shared is quite complex, so don't worry about trying to understand that one just yet.

[vernal crest]

Ah yes the default.json. It has to stay as default.json, because the en.json doesn't actually work lol

When you say the double brackets, do you mean just things like {{TargetWithoutPath}} or {{i18n: blabla}}?

[silk basalt]

i figured!! thank you for clarifying lol

[silk basalt]

the first one is significantly scarier than the second one, but to make sure i've got it again-- the second is how to tell it to check the i18n file for that particular key, similar to how the game checks the dialogue files normally, right? (like, it's just one more layer of redirect?)

like, you give the npc a gift they like, so the game checks the dialogue file, and the dialogue file says to check the default.json in the i18n folder. right...? or am i super off alskdjf

[vernal crest]

You're correct ^_^

[silk basalt]

thank you!!!

[vernal crest]

And the purpose of doing that is that translators can just copy the default.json file and make a file named whatever their language is, then change all the values to be in their language. They never have to touch any of the actual "code" of the mod at all. It makes it safer because they're less likely to accidentally translate something that's intended as instructions to the game instead of player-visible dialogue. And it also means that your hard work stays just inside your own mod, because all a translator has to give players to download is the zh.json (for example) instead of all your maps, dialogue files, etc.

The double curly brackets indicate something called a token. They're used to tell Content Patcher to put the right value where the token is. A non-i18n example is the {{Season}} token. You might sometimes see a texture mod with a FromFile field with {{Season}} in it, like "FromFile": "assets/Sebastian_{{Season}}.png". When CP goes to find the file to replace Sebastian's portrait in game, it checks what season the current save is in and replaces the {{Season}} with that word. So in fall, CP will grab the Sebastian_fall.png file, for example, so you get to see Seb wearing a sweater in game.

(The game itself has tokens, but they're indicated with square brackets, like [LocalizedText <asset:key>] - same principle, different syntax.)

[silk basalt]

so, uh, one more time. i can take all of the dialogue i have written out and copy and paste it into the default.json, then i just need to tell it to check the i18n file with the same key? right?

[ocean sail]

@silk basalt You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[silk basalt]

i can do the same for the gift taste stuff, yes?

[vernal crest]

You can use Nomori's converter to make it easier

!converters

[ocean sail]

These community tools help update mods to newer formats or frameworks:

• Convert to Content Patcher from Custom Furniture, Better Farm Animal Variety (BFAV), Custom Music, JSON Assets, More than Necessary (MTN), SAAT, Shop Tile Framework (STF), TMXLoader, or XNB.
• Convert to other frameworks:
  • Pants/skirt spritesheets to Fashion Sense
  • Visual Content Patcher mods to Alternative Textures
  • Hair spritesheets and JSON Assets shirts & hats to Fashion Sense
  • Custom Ore Nodes and Custom Resource Clumps mods to Item Extensions Framework
  • Content Patcher Animations to SpaceCore
• Other tools:
  • Extract i18n for a Content Patcher pack
  • Convert fish data from field names to slash delimited values
  • Convert markdown text to Nexus' bbcode

To use this command, type !converters.

[vernal crest]

The first bullet point under "Other tools". It should let you easily convert your existing dialogue and gift taste stuff to i18n.

Are you loading a blank.json?

[silk basalt]

i believe so still yes

yes i am

[vernal crest]

Okay that's good, because you can't use tokens inside a file you're Loading.

That's the purpose of Loading the blank. You Load a blank file, then use an EditData patch to put the actual data in there.

If you tried to Load your dialogue directly and had tokens inside it, you'd see those tokens as plain text instead of the thing that's supposed to be there.

[silk basalt]

ooo okay

so let me. try to get it

in the content.json:
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "assets/blank.json",
"Entries": (the dialogue?)

er, the .json?

[vernal crest]

Nope, not quite

You never edit actual files with mods

You edit the assets in game

So your Target should never be a real file path

Can you show me your blank.json Load patch?

[silk basalt]

oh, it's loading for the schedule right now

[vernal crest]

Okay, you'll need to add the dialogue asset to the Target

"Target": "Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}.Hugo, Characters/Dialogue/{{ModId}}.Hugo" - also, you're missing the s at the end of Characters there.

[silk basalt]

thank you!

so it needs to load both, then?

ah, do i need to have it load a blank on the marriage dialogue too then?

i don't have that one done yet but

[vernal crest]

Yes, you will need the marriage dialogue asset in there too if you're doing marriage

[silk basalt]

okay, so just add it in the same way?

[vernal crest]

Yup, just at the end

[silk basalt]

then just replace the dialogue.json with the indicated text in the converter? if that's it then i'll go test it out

[vernal crest]

Since you weren't already loading a blank for the dialogue after all, you'll need to change your dialogue.json first

Right now does it look like this? In terms of the brackets, and it not having any "Action", "Entries", "Target", etc fields in it?

{
  "Introduction": "bla bla",
  "Mon": "bla bla",
  "spring_Tue": "bla bla"
  // etc
}

[silk basalt]

i swapped it to the i18n tokens, but before it did yes

did i skip a step

sorry, i got hyped lol

[vernal crest]

Yes, so you need to adjust it so that it's got an EditData patch

[silk basalt]

soo lemme try again then!!

er, sorry, an edit in the dialogue.json?

or one in the content

[vernal crest]

In the dialogue.json.

So instead of it looking like this (using one of my NPCs as an example):

{
    "Introduction": "{{i18n: Louisa.intro}}",
    "MovieInvitation": "{{i18n: Louisa.MovieInvitation}}",
    "breakUp": "{{i18n: Louisa.breakUp}}",
    "divorced": "{{i18n: Louisa.divorced}}",
    "WipedMemory": "{{i18n: Louisa.WipedMemory}}",
    "DumpsterDiveComment": "{{i18n: Louisa.DumpsterDiveComment}}",
    "HitBySlingshot": "{{i18n: Louisa.HitBySlingshot}}",
}

It looks like this:

{
    "Changes": [
        {
            "LogName": "Louisa Dialogue",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/{{ModID}}_Louisa",
            "Entries": {
                "Introduction": "{{i18n: Louisa.intro}}",
                "MovieInvitation": "{{i18n: Louisa.MovieInvitation}}",
                "breakUp": "{{i18n: Louisa.breakUp}}",
                "divorced": "{{i18n: Louisa.divorced}}",
                "WipedMemory": "{{i18n: Louisa.WipedMemory}}",
                "DumpsterDiveComment": "{{i18n: Louisa.DumpsterDiveComment}}",
                "HitBySlingshot": "{{i18n: Louisa.HitBySlingshot}}",
            }
        },
    ]
}

[silk basalt]

so this should be good to test out then?;;

thank you so much again for being so patient with me lol

[vernal crest]

I see a red squiggly underneath that opening bracket above Changes, so you've got a problem somewhere in the file

So what you're showing me looks right, but something that's outside the screenshot is wrong

[silk basalt]

it says property expected?

[vernal crest]

There shouldn't be anything in the file before that curly bracket. Is there?

[silk basalt]

OH there was a rogue bracket yes

[vernal crest]

All good now? No more errors?

Don't try testing it yet

It won't work

[silk basalt]

i think we're good, it's just mad about commas

[vernal crest]

Trailing commas?

[silk basalt]

yeah

[vernal crest]

After we get your dialogue sorted I can teach you how to make it stop complaining about them

Okay, now you need to make sure you change your content.json as well.

Where before you had (maybe still have) a patch like this:

{
    "LogName": "Load Louisa's Dialogue",
    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/{{ModID}}_Louisa",
    "FromFile": "data/louisa_dialogue.json"
},

You need to remove that (not the blank.json Load, but one that's Loading your dialogue.json file if it's still there) and replace it with this:

{
    "LogName": "Include Louisa's Dialogue",
    "Action": "Include",
    "FromFile": "data/louisa_dialogue.json"
},

[silk basalt]

like these?

[vernal crest]

Yes, did you already have those?

[silk basalt]

i just replaced the ones from before with the text you gave, below the one from before that loaded the schedule and dialogues into the blank.json

er, should i upload it again?

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[vernal crest]

Sounds like you got it right, but if you want to be sure I am happy to check

[silk basalt]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/bd530af1020e4de38ad4715decfc42f2

thank you so much!!

[vernal crest]

Ah, your marriage dialogue target is not quite correct

How did you decide upon that as a target?

[silk basalt]

that was what i named the json before, do i need to pick a different name?

[vernal crest]

Also, it looks like at some point you switched his internal name from {{ModId}}.Hugo to {{ModId}}_Hugo, so make sure you're not still using {{ModId}}.Hugo anywhere (like you are with your blank load).

[vernal crest]

It's not about picking a name, it's about the fact that you have to target the right thing or the game won't see his marriage dialogue at all because you will have put it in the right place. Targets have very little - usually nothing - to do with file names.

Marriage dialogue has to have a Target of Characters/Dialogue/MarriageDialogue<NPCInternalName>

[silk basalt]

OH okay thank you

[vernal crest]

You will also need to do the same switch with your schedule later than we're doing with the dialogue, but you can test your dialogue once you've fixed the targets in the blank load patch.

[silk basalt]

so this?

[vernal crest]

Close, but the marriage dialogue one is wrong. Can you identify why?

[silk basalt]

do i still need to have the mod id at the end?

[vernal crest]

Do you understand the difference between an NPC's internal name and their display name?

(This is relevant to your question, I'm not just ignoring it)

[silk basalt]

i thought i did, but i apparently do not as well as i thought i did alksjdf

i assume that the internal name is so it's something unique, and then you can have the display name as whatever, right?

[vernal crest]

Yes that's right

Their internal name is the ID we use to refer to them in the data and code

[silk basalt]

so the {{ModId}}_Hugo is how to make it check for the internal name, right?

er, that. is the internal name i mean

[vernal crest]

Yep, that's right

[silk basalt]

the red cursor feels so ominous with troubleshooting lol

like this then, yes?

[vernal crest]

So the only time you ever want to use just Hugo is in player-visible text, like in an event where someone else is talking about him or in his introduction dialogue where he says "Hello, I'm Hugo" (for example). Everywhere else, it's always internal name.

[silk basalt]

right!! i think i've got it then

i. can only give him things. and not talk to him

[vernal crest]

Are there any errors in your log?

[silk basalt]

oh there it is yeah

[vernal crest]

The red one is just to do with schedule so you can ignore it for now

Can you figure out what the yellow ones mean is wrong?

[hard fern]

mismatch between fromfile and the actual file location/name 🤔

[vernal crest]

Thank you Forsy but I was trying to encourage el to learn how to read it lol

[silk basalt]

i was going to ask if it was because i had the load command in the same thing but aslkdjf yeah that was my other guess

[hard fern]

Oh- lol

[silk basalt]

thank you for the help though alksdjf

er would it be better if i dmed about all of this? i don't want anyone else needing help to feel like they need to wait

[vernal crest]

Nope, if there's anyone else around they will hopefully just jump in and ask

We're used to having multiple conversations going at once

[silk basalt]

so do i need to just check the files it's looking for then?;;

[vernal crest]

Well, have a look at the FromFile lines

And then have a look at your file structure

What folder is it looking for?

[silk basalt]

OH DATA NOT ASSETS

[woeful lintel]

it already does, but some FF features require a specific layout of the tilesheet that vanilla content doesn't have

[silk basalt]

bruh i was going to ask why only one of his unique gift accept dialogues wasn't working but i realized it's because. i didn't add it yet. yeah that one's on me laksjdf

i'm going to have to do more troubleshooting tomorrow, i'm getting tired lmao

happy new year and thank you for all the help!!

[vernal crest]

Happy new year!

[noble ermine]

Happy new year

[elder hornet]

Hii! Do you need to restart a new game for slight dialogue/schedule changes or is just reloading the game enough. It's for playtesting 🙂

Also happy new year!

[proud wyvern]

if it's Content Patcher stuff, you can use patch reload iirc

due to the nature of schedules, changes to these only apply on the next day after loading a save file

[elder hornet]

Okay, thank you!

[whole raptor]

For schedules I believe you might have to sleep a day

[vernal crest]

patch reload docs (also contains other useful troubleshooting commands): https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/troubleshooting.md#reload

[inland rain]

Pet Coats, lets you define custom coats for specific pets, either swapping specific colors, tinting the entire texture, or replacing the texture outright (this one swaps the bandana colors for neutral colors and tints the entire texture grey). Here's the Content Patcher code:

{
"Format": "2.7.0",
    "Changes": [
        {
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "aedenthorn.PetCoats/dict",
            "Entries": 
            {
                "{{ModId}}.BorderCollie": 
                {
                    "PetType":"Dog",
                    "PetBreed":"3",
                    "Tint":{
                        "R":155,
                        "G":155,
                        "B":155
                    },
                    "Swap":{
                        "180,67,58":"255,255,255",
                        "147,51,72":"200,200,200",
                        "87,39,55":"155,155,155"
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    ]
}

[uncut aspen]

does any1 know if the "introduction" dialogue works? i can't get it to trigger the dialogue for the life of me. It just defaults to the NPC's monday dialogue . those are the only 2 dialogues in the code atm. The save im testing it on shows the NPC's name as ??? still so it should be triggering the introduction 1 but i can't figure out why it wont.

[vernal crest]

Are you testing the introduction on a new save and does your NPC have gift tastes?

[uncut aspen]

It's not a new save, but its a save without the NPC existing before. And no i havn't set up their gift preferences yet.

[vernal crest]

You need both, because the introduction CT only lasts for 6 days after save creation so any NPCs who are installed after that won't be able to say their Introduction line. And no CTs will work without gift tastes - you can just copy a vanilla NPC's tastes for now and adjust them later if needed.

[uncut aspen]

Oh ok, so the "introduction" only works on the first week of playing?

[vernal crest]

Yes

[uncut aspen]

That complicates things cuz the npc only spawns 1 day a week till an event is done. Guess I should do an event as an intro instead of just the dialogue.

[vernal crest]

You can create your own CT and use that as their introduction dialogue line instead

[uncut aspen]

Any suggestions on what to tie the CT trigger to for an introduction?

[vernal crest]

You could just set it for much longer than the vanilla one so it starts as soon as your NPC is installed but will still be present if the player doesn't meet them for a while.

And if it would be possible for the event to play before the player meets them and weird for the introduction dialogue to happen after the event, you could remove the CT right after the event so the player doesn't get the dialogue if they met them for the first time during the event.

[uncut aspen]

I guess what i'm asking is, what causes the CT to load? Will it just auto load if there's no trigger to load it?

[vernal crest]

You create it using a trigger action. If you have no condition on the trigger action, it'd just run the first time it could, which would be the first day your mod is installed or the first day of the save if a player started with the mod.

But if you wanted a condition, you could control it - we have quite a lot of control over trigger actions.

[uncut aspen]

so i just leave "conditions" blank and the trigger on "DayEnding" and it'll trigger after the first day. Do i need to do something to make it only fire once, or is it gonna repeat the trigger every time a day ends.

[vernal crest]

That's right, but no you don't have to do anything to make it only fire once. That's the default for trigger actions.

[uncut aspen]

Ok i think i have everything figured out to make this work. ty for the help.

[elfin kindle]

Im stealing this idea to make my mod a little more friendly to people who add the mod on an existing save

[opaque field]

If I override Shane's bedroom and want to add TileData, I do it on the Objects layer the same name as the layer the thing is on, Name it TileData, add Action and then Message "ShanesNewRoom.1" or do I put it on the Animal Shop Map?

[summer spoke]

    "Name": "DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "Author": "MySafeLittleCorner",
    "Version": "4.3.2",
    "Description": "After helping the child you found unconscious near the bust stop, you never expected to be drawn into the mystery that surrounds the Demon Slayers. Now you need to help them figure out exactly how they got there in the first place, and just what they're going to do in a world wihtout demons to slay.",
    "UniqueID": "MySafeLittleCorner.DemonSlayerPitiable",
    "UpdateKeys": ["Nexus:40724"],
    "ContentPackFor": {
            "UniqueID": "Pathoschild.ContentPatcher",
            "MinimumVersion": "2.8.1"
    }
}```

Is that correct?

Also Happy 2026

[opaque field]

Happy 2026 :3 looks good to me

[summer spoke]

Great! Thank you!

[vernal crest]

Your version looks very incorrect

Unless you've already released at least 8 versions of this mod already

[summer spoke]

I have not. I'm sorry, can you tell me where I went wrong?

[vernal crest]

Where would you be doing it if not on the map?

[vernal crest]

Your Version should be your mod's version. Usually, people start with version 1.

[summer spoke]

I see. Thank you. so it's just "version" and not "minimumversion"?

[vernal crest]

You're looking at the wrong line. I am referring to the third line down, not the one under the Content Patcher unique ID.

[opaque field]

that's what made sense to me, but I wasn't sure. I'll keep tinkering then

[summer spoke]

Thank you for your patience and help. So, I just put a 1?

[vernal crest]

No what I mean is I don't understand how your question was an OR. You have to do objects on maps, so where would you be doing it if not in a map?

[gaunt orbit]

The usual convention for versioning is major.minor.revision, where major version is for updates that break compatibility, minor is updates that don't break compatibility but have significant changes from the previous version, and revision is for anything smaller.

[vernal crest]

As Wren said, though some content modders just go "big change, little change, bugfix".

[vernal crest]

"Version": "1.0.0",

[summer spoke]

That makes sense. Thank you.

[latent mauve]

You can place the TileData on your custom TMX for Shane's room and as long as you are adding TileData objects and not Map Properties, they will carry over to the AnimalShop map in that section when you patch your TMX in with EditMap

[opaque field]

Oh, honestly because maps are where I feel less comfy so I’m more likely to overthink and make things more complicated than they are.

[summer spoke]

Truthfully, I always wondered why they were written for that

[opaque field]

Okay. Hmm. That’s where I have them, and it’s on the object layer but they aren’t showing up

[latent mauve]

Do your objects have TileData in the Name field?

[opaque field]

Yes

[vernal crest]

Patch export Maps/AnimalShop and check if your objects are present

[latent mauve]

And you have an actual tile below it on the coordinating tile layer?

[vernal crest]

It has to be Buildings, too

[opaque field]

Can it be “Buildings2?”

[latent mauve]

No

[opaque field]

Ah. Ok that’s why

Good to knowwww

[latent mauve]

Layer names with numbers are for drawing visuals only

[gaunt orbit]

(extra layers are purely decorative and do not have logic)

[latent mauve]

The non numbered layers are the only ones that have collision or related tile properties such as data objects

[opaque field]

I’ll find somewhere else to tuck then notes then - ty!

Updated my personal notes sheet too

[latent mauve]

You can still use Buildings for your message even if you have the notes visually on Buildings2 (because another tile is usually on Buildings if you are using Buildings2, so it still has a tile in those coordinates to attach the property to)

[summer spoke]

Now, do I go onto Content Pack Frameworks since I finished my manifest?

[vernal crest]

Are you referring to the wiki?

[summer spoke]

Yes, I had one open and now that's turned into 12 open somehow, so I'm just a bit confused.

[vernal crest]

You can jump straight to this one since the other frameworks won't be relevant for you just yet: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_Patcher

[summer spoke]

Thank you

Dumb question, but does smapi and contentpack go into the mod folder or does it stay in Stardew Valley game folder?

[lucid iron]

SMAPI is installed via the installer script

All mods, including content patcher and what you are making, go into <gamefolder>/Mods

[summer spoke]

Thank you

Oh, I messed up again. The same error is popping up, so I'm going to fix that then come back.

Thanks for your help everyone!

[vernal crest]

CP doesn't go into your mod folder though

[summer spoke]

Maybe this would be easier if I take a class considering how I learn. Does anyone have an online class that they would recommend?

[ocean sail]

@summer spoke You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[lucid iron]

Ah yeah im referring to the folder called Mods

You want to end up like

Mods/
    ContentPatcher/...
    YourMod/(manifest.json etc)

[vernal crest]

Unfortunately I don't think there's a class that would help you, as this is mostly specific to Stardew

[summer spoke]

That makes sense. Maybe a video game making course then? Get the basics of programming if nothing else

[vernal crest]

And it's not programming, so although programming knowledge definitely helps, you can't directly apply it exactly as you'd learn in a class but instead have to use the concepts

[summer spoke]

Right

[lucid iron]

Take it slowly at own pace

[vernal crest]

And learning programming just to make a json mod is like learning how to drive a truck so you can ride a bicycle lol

[summer spoke]

I'll figure something out. I'm really do want to make this mod. Thank you for all the help. Sorry I messed it up

[vernal crest]

You don't have to apologise and you're very welcome to keep asking questions here

[latent mauve]

Welp, just got a comment from a user informing me that another NPC mod placed their entrance blocking the Pelican Valley Loft apartments

[vernal crest]

There's certainly nothing wrong with looking into free game dev courses, but it might overwhelm you due to how much additional work game dev needs compared to this kind of modmaking

[latent mauve]

The mountains have such limited space, so I can't really move it again or make yet another alternate entrance xD

User didn't bother telling the NPC author about the issue though??

[vernal crest]

Also, it's important to understand that making mistakes is just a normal, expected part of making mods. None of us make mods without mistakes and nobody learns without mistakes either. It's not a sign of failure, it's a sign of trying.

[vernal crest]

That's a bit rude of them to just make it your problem

[latent mauve]

Yeah, it's not great

[lucid iron]

Give up and central station it

[summer spoke]

Maybe I can make a sort of list that I can follow? Either way, gotta fix this mistake first.

[latent mauve]

I mean, Central Stationing it does not fix the NPCs having to path back in, chu

[hallow prism]

it's easier to add npcs warp to area now

VMV has one in the town hidden behind a building and it works well so far for the limited use i make for it

[vernal crest]

That's a good idea. You can also always ask if there are concepts that you're running into that you're not quite grasping, because people are often happy to explain the how and why things work.

[latent mauve]

I am going to make it CS compatible for players at some point but there is not a good way to handle the NPC path in just yet, unless the proposed NPC specific warp property finally got implemented

[lucid iron]

Oh i think we did get addnpcwarp

In EditMap

You still have the issue of overlapping npc warp tiles though gotta be careful on that one

[latent mauve]

Chu, specifically it was suggested that we get an additional parameter for NPC Warps that allowed a warp to be ignored if it wasn't valid for a specific NPC

That's the one I was referring to, not AddNPCWarps, which just behaves like AddWarps by allowing new NPC Warp map properties to be added without overwriting preexisting ones 🙂

[lucid iron]

Ah yes 1.6.16 then

Schedule changes
NPCs will no longer be affected by warps they touch while following their schedule if those warps are not the one they intend to go to.

[tender bloom]

Hot take: tell users that mod is incompatible (assuming they released after you put the entrance there)

[gaunt orbit]

@sly gull !startmodding

[lucid iron]

It's not additional param tho hrm

[gaunt orbit]

Damn it what's the command

[tender bloom]

It’s such a problem to find space for stuff that like…maybe not everything can fit with everything

[gaunt orbit]

I forgot everything today

[tender bloom]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[tender bloom]

Hug

Huh

I think it didn’t like something about the format w ping??

[gaunt orbit]

Oh I guess I have to put the ping on the end

[hard fern]

you're not having command luck today

[lucid iron]

Bot only look at ! at the start o message right

[hard fern]

yeah

[latent mauve]

yep, that's gonna be the ultimate result, it's mostly just frustrating that the user decided it was my problem when I released months before the other mod, and the entire purpose of my mod is to create living spaces for NPCs so that we run into the issue of limited space less often.

Just kind of bold for a user to suggest that the earlier-existing mod creating 70+ available NPC living spaces is the one that should move for a mod that creates one, and their mod will also run into further compat issues with Baldur's Village and Crazy Ed's Crazy Fruit Trees (both of which I made alternate paths for).

I only wrote an alternate path for Crazy Ed's compat because it released before my mod and I overlooked it when choosing my spot, which is on me.

[tender bloom]

Yeah, at that point in your shoes I would just tell the user that you checked mods when you released, by etiquette it’s on the other mod, and they can learn to make personal edits if the other author won’t/can’t add compat

[pale river]

i think it's better to write down what you want to do in your mod, have a list of the things you want to do; so people will have an idea of what you want to do;

After you have an idea of what you want to do, you can try to figure out ways on how to do it. Or ask people here, and they can tell you how you can get around to doing it. Like breaking it down into steps

it's not going to be easier if you did learn how to code because it's the same formula, but hopefully this strategy helps you feel less lost and overwhelmed although it would be helpful to know the fundamentals such as events/functions/tokens given what you want to do

[latent mauve]

Actually, considering that one of the alternate entrances I made was for SVE and they didn't create their own alternate, I think that NPC's mod author has bigger issues to be worried about for compat than mine.

SVE is a mess to build compat for with location entrances.

[pale river]

is it because of the map changes from vanilla? Just curious / I'm p new

[tender bloom]

Yes

That’s the reason

It edits a whole bunch of maps (not inherently bad! But makes compat hard) and has a lot of users with stupid complaints about compatibility (because it has a lot of users and a small fraction of them do inexplicably stupid things)

[latent mauve]

You get a whole new level of "is this location taken" with SVE maps, because of the changes

[hallow prism]

it was also not the best about compat in the past, which explains a bit of the fatigue around it from mod authors

althought progresses were made on that regard

[latent mauve]

Some mod authors don't even bother trying for SVE compat anymore because sometimes free vanilla locations are hard enough to find

[tender bloom]

There’s a somewhat asymmetric dynamic because users disproportionately complain to other, less popular mods’ authors

[latent mauve]

ilPRiNCESSl, that is a better question for #modded-stardew

The first part, anyway

[glass sphinx]

Oh hahah! Sorry

[pale river]

I was just using pillow's festival coordinate tool, and was like "wow there's almost no available space" for my npc hahah

[hallow prism]

(it is frustrating, but users don't know all the etiquette we have. So it's ok to say to them that its not something you'll consider, with or without explanation)

[latent mauve]

Questions about making mods are fine for here, questions about playing with mods less so, mainly because there's a valid running joke that mod authors don't actually play the game anymore xD

[tender bloom]

Once in a blue moon…

[pale river]

I had restart my save after changing the internal name of my npc

[latent mauve]

FormerName is wonderful, but problematic when the FormerName was not prepended by a {{ModID}} and someone else also used it for their NPC. xD

[brittle ledge]

(I love seeing these stats every month )

I've been wondering about this for a few months now, but I'm surprised to see a 1.4 format in the top five with the 1.6 formats, and all the 1.5 formats dropping out. Curious as to what you think the reason might be? Like, is it because most 1.4 mods were never updated to 1.5 or 1.6 while a lot of 1.5 mods were updated, or were the 1.5 mods more splintered across different CP versions?

[pale river]

yeah, plus the mod id made it easier, since his name was only 1 character

[glass sphinx]

I’m thinking about making something myself to track seasons, plants, etc. — I’ve built bots and mods/cogs before, so it could be a fun little project. It’s such a cute game. Is there one already for this.. hmm, there is so much that can be made!

[brittle ledge]

Depends on what you mean by tracking, I've seen a number of mods that might fit

[tender bloom]

There’s a few websites that break down profitability and there’s the Stardew checkup website, if you’re curious about external sorts of tools

[urban patrol]

you can definitely two cakes it though

[summer spoke]

@pale river right. Thank you

[glass sphinx]

Okay good to know, to be honest I didn't really look to much into it, I like just making things haha.. it's a problem

[brittle ledge]

if you want to make a thing, make a thing I was just trying to answer your question about if there was one already

!twocakes

[ocean sail]

If you discover that someone has made or is making a mod with a similar concept to yours, don't stress! Our community promotes the idea of "two cakes", where two versions of the same idea can peacefully co-exist. Your mod will have your own unique stamp on it that makes it special.

To use this command, type !twocakes.

[latent mauve]

We do love our multiple cakes here

[urban patrol]

!startmodding your project sounds like it may need C#—are you familiar?

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[urban patrol]

!decompile to see the game code also

[ocean sail]

If you want to make SMAPI mods with C#, one important resource is decompiling the game to read the game code. Here's how to do it: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#How_do_I_decompile_the_game_code.3F

To use this command, type !decompile.

[clear bough]

Can someone assist? I have the portraits, and I used the mod by Zeroxpatch to create the content and manifest. However, I need to edit this so that the NPC changes clothes whether he is indoors or not. Similar to how Shane doesn't wear his winter coat while working at Joja. I'm confused about where to add the basic Appearances code block.

[uncut viper]

for starters don't use their mods because they are all AI generated and thus a) not suitable for this server per the rules and b) broken more often than not
you don't need their stuff to make a content or manifest anyway
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data
this wiki page describes what the NPC data looks like and on there it describes appearances as well

[round dock]

Button out of topic but

I finally finally watched frieren

[uncut viper]

have you already unpacked your files? You can also look at the vanilla NPCs for examples

[round dock]

I regret not watching it sooner

[clear bough]

I'm referring to this: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_Seasonal_Outfits_via_Appearances

I have a content and manifest right now.

[uncut viper]

that's a tutorial that tells you how to use the data on the wiki page I linked you

[round dock]

Lmao when i reached the :3 scene, i was like wait dats button

[uncut viper]

following that tutorial should get you to do whatever it is you want to do too, though it may help to understand what the underlying data is and what is doing

[uncut viper]

it's the best face of the season clearly

[clear bough]

I'm aware of that. Do I need to copy and paste that over what is in my content file currently

[round dock]

I see why it won anime of the year awards, the storytelling is superb

New season is in a few weeks

[uncut viper]

i mean, I don't know what this content file is already intending to do, so I can't tell you if you need to overwrite it or not. I'm not sure what winter_Anthony is or why you're editing tilesheets/objects in the first place

if you intend to edit that asset, then obviously don't overwrite it. If you don't, then replace it

[clear bough]

This came from the program they uploaded once I inserted the images.

[autumn tide]

I got a template you can use!

[uncut viper]

well that code has absolutely nothing to do with NPCs

and the format number is out of date

[tawny burrow]

is this a good channel to ask how to install mods? or is there another one

[round dock]

!mh

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[uncut viper]

Don't use their program, not in the least because if you intend to keep using it, we literally can't help here

[round dock]

!gs you can start here tho

[ocean sail]

If you would like a guide to setting up mods for Stardew Valley, check out the getting started guide! https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide

To use this command, type !gs.

[uncut viper]

Follow the tutorial that you said you were referring to in order to write your json and scrap what the program gave you. That will give you the json you need to have an indoor vs outdoor outfit for your npc

[tawny burrow]

are you okay with it if i DM you about it?

[autumn tide]

hey there, looks like the base you were using was incorrect. I do have a template if you're interested! https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/39706?tab=description

[round dock]

Nope sorry, i’m actually about to rest too feel free to make a thread at #1272025932932055121 tho. A volunteer will be able to assist you more thoroughly

[tawny burrow]

oh ok! thanks so much for the help

[uncut viper]

does this actually include Appearances though? Or just editing portrait image assets?

[autumn tide]

ohh it's just basic seasonal

[round dock]

Hi pathos happy new year

[uncut viper]

that doesn't tell me anything

basic seasonal stuff can and should still use the Appearances system, which is what they wanted to use

[autumn tide]

it enables a singular variant for all seasons using CP tokens

[lucid iron]

I'm disappointed in you/lh

[ivory plume]

If we look at the format versions over time and the attached charts:

game | SMAPI | Content Patcher           | dates
---- | ----- | ------------------------- | -----------------------------------------
1.2  |       | 1.0  – 1.3  (4 versions)  | 2018-02-25 through 2018-09-26 (30 weeks)
1.3  | 2.6+  | 1.4  – 1.9  (6 versions)  | 2018-08-26 through 2019-11-26 (65 weeks)
1.4  | 3.0+  | 1.10 – 1.19 (10 versions) | 2019-11-26 through 2020-12-05 (53 weeks)
1.5  | 3.8+  | 1.20 – 1.30 (11 versions) | 2020-12-05 through 2024-03-19 (171 weeks)
1.6  | 4.0+  | 2.0  – 2.8  (9 versions)  | 2024-03-19—                   (93 weeks)

There are three possible factors that stand out:

1. Stardew Valley 1.5 lasted 323% longer and had 133% more format versions than 1.4, so content packs were likely split across more versions as you thought.
2. Content Patcher 1.19 was for both Stardew Valley 1.4 (1.19.0) and 1.5 (1.19.1+), and Android was stuck on Stardew Valley 1.4 for a long time. Many content packs likely targeted 1.19 to support Android players. You can see that in the chart — even though 1.19.0 released in December 2020 and was only the latest version for nine weeks, it kept climbing until 2024 (when Content Patcher 2.0 took over as the baseline version).
3. With a few exceptions (like 1.29), most format versions have a long tail of content packs which never update. So often it's not so much that a format version dropped out of the top five, as a newer version became more popular (since the rate at which Content Patcher packs are created has increased over time).

[uncut viper]

then that template won't help them with indoor vs outdoor appearances

[lucid iron]

Did the modding wiki guide get linked already

[uncut viper]

yes, by them

[autumn tide]

ohhh, i figured they just wanted a simple version

[lucid iron]

I think it's worth updating your template to actually use appearances

[autumn tide]

yeahhh, I'm just still learning how I might make an appearances version that makes total sense to complete beginners

I try really hard to make sure my templates make sense and the apprearances system makes that more complex

[uncut viper]

not using appearances however is bad practice when there is no reason not to use them, so I'd say it's worse to recommend the token version over them in the first place

[lucid iron]

I would probably make it LocalTokens because i am LocalTokens enthusiast

[uncut viper]

and if the appearance system on its very own is complex, then there will never be a template that somehow makes it less complex than itself, so you may as well just make the template

[lucid iron]

But it really depends on the goal here, do you want people to just put in 3-5 values and it go brr

[autumn tide]

ig, again I'm decently new myself and I wanna make stuff simpler

[lucid iron]

Or do you want to actually show the whole structure without added complexity

[autumn tide]

yeah, my template is more for complete and total beginners who've never modded before

[lucid iron]

That doesn't answer the question though

[brittle ledge]

Thank you! I'd quite forgotten about Android modding being on 1.19 for the longest time (even though I think I had a couple of packs I deliberately left on that format for compatibility, heh). The history that prompts some of these stats is fascinating.

[autumn tide]

3-5 values go brr™

[uncut viper]

you cant make the Appearances system simpler, is my point. you have to have at minimum, yknow, the fields that go into the Appearance system. if the existence of those fields themselves is whats making it confusing, then there is no way around that besides explaining what they do

you cannot make it simpler by removing the fields because then it is not the Appearance system

[lucid iron]

Because you can approach it such that the actual local token include is "it goes brr do not touch" to the consumer of the template

[autumn tide]

ig, again I do plan on doing apprearances eventually, I just thought this might be helpful since there are no other templates

[lucid iron]

The other template is vanilla game, winter outfits

[uncut viper]

or the wiki guide, which is basically a template

[brittle ledge]

I get where you're coming from, but I do agree it's better to get people on the best practices at the ground floor when I do my "simple" NPC for people to use as an example/template, I'm still going to i18n it even though I do think that's an extra layer of complexity, because it's something people should do.

[autumn tide]

yeah, that is fair, and I do plan on making an appearances one eventually when I get better at modding

I'm just tired rn LOL

[brittle pasture]

(also I downloaded your seasonal template and:

• the seasonal tokens are not even being used at all? it's only loading the base variants
• you're Loading and EditImage-ing the same asset in two separate blocks, with no explanation of the difference between the two)

[autumn tide]

fuckkk okay lemme see

[brittle ledge]

(I'm going to have to learn Appearances when I do this since my 'simple' NPC has seasonals )

[brittle pasture]

(I appreciate the efforts you're putting in to make modding more accessible, but I do feel you should be more knowledgeable with the basics before teaching said basics to others)

[autumn tide]

yeahhh i'll take down the seasonal then

well i've fucked up-

[urban patrol]

i do think chu has a point where you could use tokens to allow users to plug in values like “do you have summer portraits?: yes” to enable/disable things as needed

[autumn tide]

..gonna disappear a little while i emotionally recover byeee

[brittle ledge]

"hey tia, why don't you write a tutorial about X" welllllll

[brittle pasture]

it is also possible to be too knowledgable and write documentation that's utterly incomprehensible to all but other code divers

[lucid iron]

Just to be clear we aren't trying to be demeaning here, it's more a discussion on how things could be better or how I'd approach the same problems

[brittle pasture]

stares at Extra Animal Config

[uncut viper]

yeah i dont think anyone thinks you fucked up or anything

[autumn tide]

oh ik, I just have the self-esteem of a dead rat

[lucid iron]

This is hard cus when i spaget I think in terms of modules like

[urban patrol]

it’s very nice of you to want to make more modding resources! we’re all a pack of optimization-loving problem solvers lol

[lucid iron]

I hook <this thing> to <other thing> and it can be used for A B C

[uncut viper]

i like to think im pretty good at tutorials and docs personally

[lucid iron]

When it comes to docs people want linear story telling and it harder

[brittle ledge]

Confidence and self-esteem are built by accomplishments. And I don't mean accomplishments like "published a mod", I mean that you did the thing you set out to do and it worked Don't rush ahead, just take it slow and steady and build your knowledge through reading and doing.

[brittle ledge]

I hear good things about people that use your JSON tutorial

[lucid iron]

Or they ask hey how do I do à not knowing that it's just A with 1 extra step

[autumn tide]

oh yeah it's great!

[brittle pasture]

i swear to god if you know exactly how animals choose and save their produce under the hold it all makes sense, eventually, maybe

[lucid iron]

Yeah I do think your docs are good with much example, but even then I do end up telling experienced modders what BETAS things to string together too

[valid folio]

Hi, how are you all doing? I hope you had a lovely end of the year and a great New Year!

By any chance, do you know if it’s possible for a mail to have more than one condition to be delivered? For example, reaching a certain skill level and having a specific friendship level with an NPC?

[lucid iron]

Assembling the pieces is part of the process

[urban patrol]

yep! in the trigger action you send the mail with, simply list multiple GSQs separated by commas

[uncut viper]

tbf if i wasnt limited to the way tractions must be written and had my own system i feel like itd be better but alas. limited by vanilla

[valid folio]

Thanks 😁 👍

[uncut viper]

i think people also arent used to nesting things very deeply which doesnt help with some BETAS stuff

[urban patrol]

i wouldn’t expect it from docs, but i do appreciate when there are notes and hints like “by the way, you can combine this with X to do Y” when it’s something creative i might not have thought of

[lucid iron]

Yeah at some point you approach problem that this traction stuff is nearly a DSL

[uncut viper]

idk what a DSL is

[lucid iron]

Domain specific language

A embedded scripting language basically

[brittle pasture]

clearly we need lua scripts for trigger actions

[calm nebula]

(Yay, stats!!)

[uncut viper]

at one point i had plans for an actual custom scripting language for BETAS

i still do a little bit

[lucid iron]

Buttonscript

[calm nebula]

Also your name is very festive, pathos

Just fucking embed lua lol

[brittle pasture]

"selph.CustomTapperFramework_TransformCrop Cornucopia_MintSeeds 1 false \"selph.CustomTapperFramework_NEARBY_CROPS 1 \\\"ITEM_ID Input Cornucopia_MintSeeds\\\" 3 true, RANDOM 0.8\"" example of real code from real coders (me)

[uncut viper]

nope

no lua

[brittle pasture]

lisp then

[lucid iron]

What about COBOL

[calm nebula]

Tcl

[uncut viper]

whats the most natural language sounding scripting language

[lucid iron]

Snek

[uncut viper]

the thing is to me this makes perfect sense

though ill admit even though i understand when things must be nested, figuring out how many slashes is still something i struggle with sometimes bc of not being able to remember how many layers of quote-saving and quote-escaping and quote-removing something might go through lol

[calm nebula]

Vibr

It doesnt exist.

Oh no

[uncut viper]

dont forget to add an extra escape if you're testing it on your IDE console, too

[calm nebula]

Rockstar

Rockstar is best

[brittle pasture]

unrelated but i just wanna ramble that dwarf fortress is adding lua support for generating object data; it's literally "the content modder yearns for foreach" manifested

[uncut viper]

so what you're saying is we need to PR in Lua scripting to content patcher?

[calm nebula]

Tutorial | Rockstar https://share.google/X40WqchUup6Q6Q4NU

[brittle pasture]

yes

[tame moat]

it's escapes all the way down

[uncut viper]

fucked up escaping nightmares was like 33% of the reason i added tokenizable string support and trnalsation key support to the relevant BETAS features that could use it

[calm nebula]

What's the other 67%

Yolo?

[uncut viper]

the other 67% was i was using a fucked up custom format for things like offset numbers bc i forgot tokenizable strings existed at the time

right now i have like [CharacterCoordinate Haley X] which turns into haley's current X coordinate, which is nice
before it was something weird like Coordinate:NPC:Haley:X or some shit that i then parsed myself

bc i needed some way to differentiate someone trying to grab a coord likew that vs manually writing a number

this is why BETAS went to 2.0.0 so quickly bc changing that was a breaking change even though i think i had 0 users at the time

and now all that work to add tkstring support to tractions and GSQs will be all for naught since vanilla is going to have that anyway in 1.7

[urban patrol]

you can plant your flag on that rock and say “but i did it before it was cool”

[uncut viper]

that would be more of a consolation if it didnt coem with the fact that ill likely have to redo all my stuff again just to make sure my stuff still actually works with the vanilla system

[lucid iron]

I think i am still doing weird custom thing all of the time

Unfortunately I didn't forsee how often I'd need a texture + sourcerect in a space delim string

[uncut viper]

not too late to add tkstring support yourself but also you dont limit yourself to just strings anyway dont you, you could just add a data model

[urban patrol]

space delim string?? fear.jpg

[uncut viper]

you've already been using those

[lucid iron]

Yeah I do just give up and data model eventually but not always

[urban patrol]

oh yeah some BETAS stuff has it i remember

[lucid iron]

So there's a lot of inconsistencies

[uncut viper]

vanilla has it

everywhere

gift tastes are slash delimited strings of space delimited strings

[lucid iron]

A space deliminated string is just like

[lucid iron]

"thing thing foo bar"

[uncut viper]

this sentence is a space delimited string

[lucid iron]

As opposed to comma delim like

"thing,thing,foo,bar"

[patent lance]

New quote added by atravita as #6893 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1456380622451769386)

[urban patrol]

actually i just remembered. spacecore spawning has a space delim string of slash delim strings of comma delim strings for the Action

final boss of strings

[uncut viper]

yeah that woulda made a good data model probably

[gaunt orbit]

if I try to load a foreign model dictionary asset as an IReadOnlyDictionary<string, object> do you think that will make things explode?

or do I have to do horrible things with code generation again

maybe if I just load it as IEnumerable...

[uncut viper]

why do you need it to be readonly

[lucid iron]

if u use Helper.GameContent it might be fine

im reading "foreign model dictionary" as another mod's asset

[autumn tide]

okayyy I added more detail about how the game works to the basic portrait replacement, uhhh would appreictae feedback to make sure i got everything right/phrased it all correctly

[gaunt orbit]

yeah, I'm trying to read another mod's data without hard-referencing it, but I don't need to keep it around, just process it when it gets invalidated

[lucid iron]

the worry is just about contaminating their thing with wrong types yes

[calm nebula]

(You can't)

[lucid iron]

but Helper.GameContent is own cache so it's ok

however idk about the ireadonlydict stuff

[calm nebula]

Unlike the list variant it's not covariant

[gaunt orbit]

sort of. I want to avoid exploding c# editors that assume a specific type

[royal stump]

I'm not aware of any useful way to do that, at least; the content pipeline always errors about casting if I don't know the actual k/v types

[gaunt orbit]

I have used horrible codegen stuff before, I'm just hoping there's an easier way

[calm nebula]

Sorry, I meant the other message on IReadOnlyDictionary

That one isnt covariant

IReadOnlyList is

[gaunt orbit]

how is it not covariant?

if it's readonly

[calm nebula]

See the out keyword?

[gaunt orbit]

okay, admittedly that was a dumb question and not actually what I meant to ask

what I meant was, why is it not covariant if you can't insert entries

[calm nebula]

No idea, ask Microsoft lol

[gaunt orbit]

fair enough

[brittle pasture]

yeah this is a good start, though the "why" instead of the "what" is also needed
if your template is aimed at portrait replacers of other NPCs I think EditImage is preferred

[autumn tide]

hmm, could you elaborate?

[brittle pasture]

(alas I'm going to leave in a moments)

[autumn tide]

ohhh it's okay dw!

[gaunt orbit]

maybe I should just say fuck it and ignore c# mods that don't do type matching

[lucid iron]

what is the actual usecase here

[royal stump]

oh, I'm surprised it puts up with this

Monitor.Log($"Testing some content load type nonsense...", LogLevel.Alert);
dynamic asset = Helper.GameContent.Load<dynamic>("Data/Objects");

foreach (dynamic entry in asset)
    Monitor.Log(entry.Key, LogLevel.Alert);```

[lucid iron]

i have been doing basically this bc it seems strange that pure C# mods want to use my content facing frameworks

[gaunt orbit]

oh nice! didn't think it would let you load as dynamic.

[royal stump]

yeah, it never liked object, but ig dynamic resolves whether your uses are valid at runtine

(and doesn't make the content loader die, more importantly)

[uncut viper]

i load Secret Note Framework's asset as I think a Dictionary<string, object> and just use newtonsoft to use it after, it works fine

[royal stump]

though it's possible someone who knows better will say this corrupts the cache or something

yeah, newtonsoft tricks probably help too, I'm only familiar with doing that on my own assets

[uncut viper]

oh wait no i just load it as a straight up object not even a dictionary

i dont think i would do that again if i made that mod today lol (not in the least bc SNF has an API now)

i also use Game1.content for it and not my helper

[lucid iron]

ig u basically cloned the thing once u pass it through newtonsoft right

original instance unchanged

[uncut viper]

yeah it creates a new JObject

from the object

https://github.com/Spiderbuttons/SearchableCollectionsPage/blob/main/SearchableCollectionsPage/CollectionsPatch.cs#L59-L68

wow this code is awful

maybe i shouldnt have linked it

(in my defense this was like month 1.5 of me learning C#)

[gaunt orbit]

I think what I'm going to do is use reflection to get the type, bind it to GameContent.Load, then cast to dynamic after calling and manipulate it directly

[autumn tide]

okayyy tinkering more with the basic portrait mod template, uhh lemme know if my explanations make sense!

[final arch]

whats the correct way to remove a vanilla trigger action? just edit it with

  {
    "Id": "<ID_OF_VANILLA_TRIGGER_ACTION",
  },```
?

[uncut viper]

same way you'd remove anything else with content patcher, null it out with the ID as the entry key

[final arch]

thanks!

[ornate locust]

Pillow festival site PR step 1: filling in a bunch of missing sprites...

Now step 2, SVE nudging, send me an energy bomb or something, I'm gonna need it

[urban patrol]

thank you for the reminder that i still need to PR my characters

oh man where's that link

[ornate locust]

This is both going to help and give a headache to people who did SVE positioning, I know it

but a headache now is less headaches later

[urban patrol]

yeah i already had a bug report about one of my characters colliding with SVE positions despite using the tool, because a third unrelated mod moved them lol

[ornate locust]

To the site itself? https://festivals.pillow.rocks

Well Nic, I got bad news LOL

[urban patrol]

nah to PR

[ornate locust]

Oh that's linked at the bottom

as "source code"

[urban patrol]

aha! thanks

[ornate locust]

My bad news is that the site seems to use vanilla positions for vanilla NPCs

on SVE maps

which is what I am currently going to try to fix

so it may not even be anythin moving them other than SVE

[urban patrol]

yeah that's what i was referring to! although i didn't think it was vanilla positions

i see

[ornate locust]

Also adding NPCs that show up later in SVE, like Lance, so you won't be jumpscared Y3 by Morgan standing on you or something

[urban patrol]

helpful!

[ornate locust]

I hope so, because this is gonna take some time holds breath, dives into files

[urban patrol]

i want to PR src/lib/positions right?

[elfin kindle]

I love when a random player tells me that my NPC collides with Bertholomew the Third and im like who.. tf is that, especially when they dont link to the custom NPC (speaking of positions and collissions)

[urban patrol]

yeah after updating my character positions on the site, i'm fully prepared to say "nope i've moved positions 397573 times, learn to do a personal edit or deal with overlap"

festival positions are my least favorite thing ever

[lucid iron]

ur npc is a hermit

[opaque field]

me finding reasons for why my NPCs don't attend so I don't have to do it

[lucid iron]

never goes to festivals

[elfin kindle]

Yeah, its boring and tedious, you cannot force me to redo it cus NPC XYZ is also there. Same with schedules honestly

[lucid iron]

actually imagine if u just park them in front of bus stop on fest day and be like "these ppl r loud im raising a complaint"

[elfin kindle]

"Every once in a bluemoon, your NPC collides with this other custom NPC" aight, well they're having a little chat but forgot about personal boundaries for a second, it happens

Im making it a cannon hangout event for them rn actually

[opaque field]

"They have no sense of personal space" that's why

[elfin kindle]

Truly

[opaque field]

Honestly I never report stuff like that mostly cuz it makes me giggle so hard

Shane walks through a bush in an event if you have SVE installed and I haven't fixed it because I think it's funny (and no one's opened a bug report about it)

[urban patrol]

(idk github PR stuff--do i have to/should i be PRing every file i change separately, or is there a good way to do it in bulk? is it annoying to receive several PRs?)

[lucid iron]

so first you wanna go make a fork

after that, commit all changes to the fork

this can be 1 commit or several

[urban patrol]

oh i did that! i'm here

[lucid iron]

lastly open PR from your fork to original

yea press the green button and u good

[urban patrol]

okay and i do the last step each time?

[lucid iron]

you should just do all your changes in 1 PR

unless pillow has other opinions

u may change many files and do many commit

[urban patrol]

okay so i back out and go edit a different file then at the end big green button

makes sense thank you

[lucid iron]

yee

[ornate trellis]

pillow was fine with me doing all in one at least

tho there was some mention of me doing soemthing wrong that needed to be fixed, but idk waht exactly it was

[ornate locust]

Looked like a formatting thing

They did another update to fix that, I saw it when I was forking

[elfin kindle]

Dudes just built different

[ornate trellis]

yeah tho not too sure what exactly i did wrong since i copy pasted the entries and changed only my npc name and position to fit hmm

[ornate locust]

Looked like a missing } situation

[ornate trellis]

ahh

my mortal enemy

alongside commas

and tbh formatting in general...

[ornate locust]

Accursed tiny punctuation that is easily missed

progress: the only person who moves in SVE Jellies Y1 is Haley by two tiles, adding the people who show up late now...

I think I'm just gonna get a list of everyone moved/new first and then actually do the code stuff once I have all the details.

[elfin kindle]

I pressed something accidentally in VSC and now it highlight the nearest letter instead of just a line where i'm typing Im not actually VSC savy, wtf did i even presssss

[ornate locust]

Was it Insert?

I don't know about VSC, but that sounds like a thing Insert can do

[elfin kindle]

No? I dont think so, i was just trying to fix an error with VSC not recognising a } as a closer or smth

[uncut viper]

definitely sounds like Insert to me though

[elfin kindle]

Probs then, well at least i now know where to see how to turn that off

[uncut viper]

maybe look for an "overtype" setting

its default hotkey is Insert but idk maybe it got changed in your install at some point

[elfin kindle]

hold on gotta google what hotkey insert even is

[ornate locust]

It's Insert

[uncut viper]

the literal key on your keyboard

that says Insert on it

[ornate locust]

Look left of Home

Right of backspace

[elfin kindle]

omg yeah, i have never even paid attention to it

bless ya'll

[ornate locust]

I'm not sure a ton of people use it

[elfin kindle]

fixed it lololol

[ornate locust]

I only know it because of accidentally hitting it and having to hit it again to stop it

[elfin kindle]

just a little silly goober moment

[opaque field]

I hate accidentally pressing insert 😭😭

[sleek flint]

Hey everyone, can someone help me please
I am trying to make it possible to add a question BEFORE a channel plays in my Channel Framework. But no matter what I do, it never works. I have tried everything I could think of, and every time the question plays, but the channel doesn't run. When I check the log, it seems that the callback never works, and it never really knows when the player has answered, and because I tried too many things, it most likely is because of a core game logic running. Anyway, I don't know what to do, I could be doing something stupid, or that might not be possible, and I was wasting my time (doubt it).

I have already asked this before, but I had to go and couldn't work on my mod anytime since. So, can someone please help

https://github.com/Astraios-911/Temp
The things you will want to look at are ChannelPlayer.cs, ModEntry.cs, and TVPatches.cs .

[lucid iron]

Hm can you describe the desired flow?

I understand it as some like

1. Player uses TV
2. <Pre channel action?>
3. The channel is rendered
4. <Post channel action?>

And you are having issues getting 2 to work

[tame moat]

anyone know off hand what function I should target with Harmony prefix to stop the sword block animation before it starts? I'm looking in ILSpy but can't find the function under Farmer.

[sleek flint]

Yes

Post channel actions work normally

[lucid iron]

Ok let me actually go look at the spaget now

[ornate locust]

"ah, most of these aren't too bad, just a person or two off-" gets to the ice festival which has a whole different shaped map in SVE ohno

[urban patrol]

this was the one i had an issue with lol

[ornate locust]

yeah the vanilla positions things causes some problems...

one with the trees

[tame moat]

lost in the woods

[ornate locust]

I think some of the people in the center won't need moving, but everyone else is gonna

[lucid iron]

do you patch TV.selectChannel at any point

[sleek flint]

No

[lucid iron]

when you test, do you ever reach the [SelectCustomChannel] Channel has BQuestions, showing question dialog branch?

[sleek flint]

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [SelectCustomChannel] Called with answer: Astraios.CP_Test_TestingChannel

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [SelectCustomChannel] Found custom channel: Astraios.CP_Test_TestingChannel

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [SelectCustomChannel] Channel has BQuestions, showing question dialog

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [ShowBQuestions] Starting for channel: Astraios.CP_Test_TestingChannel

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [ShowBQuestions] Question: What do you want to watch?

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [ShowBQuestions] Answer count: 3

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [ShowBQuestions] Created 3 response options

[23:46:09 DEBUG More TV Channels] [ShowBQuestions] Question dialog created

The console stops here.

Here is an example CP if you want to test it https://pastebin.com/GLJqMqNb

[ornate locust]

there are six vanilla NPCs in the right spot on this map, I am moving ALL THE OTHERS. rolls up sleeves

[lucid iron]

ah so i think you may have bumped into a problem where the previous question dialogue is not bonked yet, it's very jank

[sleek flint]

That's what I think too.

[lucid iron]

right now once u reach [ShowBQuestions] Question dialog created im guessing it just stop and you don't get anything right

can the player move?

[sleek flint]

btw please ping me every time in the conversations because I am doing something while texting rn so I might not see your messages otherwise.

[sleek flint]

Oh ya.

[silk basalt]

sorry, real quick-- when using the i18n generator, do i put the entire gift taste section from the content.json into the field? or do i just put the dialogue into the field?

sorry the i18nifier

i was thinking like doofenshmirz lmao

[urban patrol]

https://nom0ri.github.io/sdv-i18nifier-app/howto

[sleek flint]

And if I select a channel again. It plays the rest of the log and writes in the console as if the channel played then starts the questions again and then stops at the same place.

it's very wierd

[lucid iron]

oh u still have the menu after [ShowBQuestions] Question dialog created?

[sleek flint]

No

[silk basalt]

OH of course the tutorial has. multiple tabs. sorry for the dumb question lol, thank you

[sleek flint]

That is if I interact with the tv again.

[urban patrol]

no worries lol i wasn't sure if you were aware of the instructions

[lucid iron]

hm ok

[lucid iron]

what i'd probably consider doing is move away from the .afterQuestion and just prefix TV.selectChannel

[sleek flint]

I tried that already. But I will try it again just in case I did something stupid.

I do that a lot

[lucid iron]

its possible that you didn't skip prefix

which you'd have to cus you want your custom channels to get priority

[sleek flint]

Maybe

[lucid iron]

oh actually another possibililty is

bc u are making a question dialogue in the afterquestionbehavior

[sleek flint]

We will see now in another episode of am I stupid or not!

[lucid iron]

the afterquestionbehavior of the new question dialogue is being lost

from public virtual bool answerDialogue(Response answer)

afterQuestion(Game1.player, answer.responseKey);
afterQuestion = null;
Game1.objectDialoguePortraitPerson = null;
return true;

[sleek flint]

That is what I thought most likely to be the problem.

[lucid iron]

so there's a few thing u can try here

one is to hold the new question for 1 tick, and make it next tick

easy way to do it is DelayedAction.functionAfterDelay

use 0 for timeout

[sleek flint]

Tried that already even for more than 1 tick to try to give it some time but here we are 🥹

[lucid iron]

the way i did it in mmap is a postfix on answerDialogue

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/MiscMapActionsProperties/Framework/Tile/QuestionDialogue.cs#L45-L52

so im holding the afterquestion elsewhere first and the slapping that on there

this i know to work bc i wanted ability to nest answer dialogues

[sleek flint]

We are getting ahead of ourselves though. Let's try to prefix TV.selectChannel first.

[lucid iron]

no i was dumb earlier

[lucid iron]

it is this particular problem

[sleek flint]

Ok, so I was not dumb when doing this, hurray!

[lucid iron]

so yea you gotta somehow restore the afterquestion you want after answerDialogue

[lucid iron]

if you want to try delayaction for this make sure to wrap all of Game1.currentLocation.createQuestionDialogue( inside

https://github.com/Astraios-911/Temp/blob/main/ChannelPlayer.cs#L78C13-L78C58

[sleek flint]

ok

[west geyser]

Hi, how is y'all?

Also, I am tryin to make a mod for the first time and am following a tutorial, but kinda can't find the json file type thing on Visual Studio. I just wanna make a full NPC and a couple of new crops.

[urban patrol]

visual studio 22 is a bit overkill for making a content pack. if you want something simpler, you can try visual studio code or notepad++ (which is what i use)

you can of course still use VS22 if you want

[west geyser]

Wait, I can use a content patch for making a whole new NPC? I thought it could only be used to change existing NPCs.

[urban patrol]

!npc nope! you can find a tutorial to making a new NPC here:

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[urban patrol]

it's basically the same as editing existing ones, except you have to load blank.jsons for assets that don't already exist and you have to target your NPC's internal name

[west geyser]

Am I able to use a content patch to make a new area too? Sorry if I am askin too many questions.

[ornate locust]

Yep

[urban patrol]

you are! and no worries this channel is for questions

[ornate locust]

You can make a whole lot in content patcher

[urban patrol]

there's a tutorial for a new area, let me link it

[ornate locust]

I think Lewis and Pam are the only people positioned right in Y2's setup, ohno^2

[urban patrol]

a good rule of thumb is that as long as you don't want to edit game mechanics, you can use CP

[lucid iron]

If u r a C# enjoyer though don't let us stop you

[urban patrol]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_a_Custom_Location_(CP)(1.6)

[west geyser]

Mk. So, I could make an area ya travel to like Ginger Island with just a content patch?

[lucid iron]

It's just not as nice tho lots of ppl who do C# mod choose to also use CP on the side cus it's just less boilerplate

Yeah

[urban patrol]

if you wanted it to be "fix up this boat" it's a tiny bit more complicated but yeah still possible for sure

[west geyser]

Thanks, I am gonna go look at the tutorial stuff and hopefully get some of the stuff started.

[sleek flint]

I hate myself.

I tried delay action and it worked -_-.

[lucid iron]

It's ok sometimes all u need is for a to your stuff

[sleek flint]

I could have saved myself 2 weeks of crying if I had gotten it right the first time

[lucid iron]

To confirm that u r right all along

[sleek flint]

Well, thank you so much Chu. I was about to give up on the whole question thing, but now I don't have to.

[ornate locust]

Final changes for the ice festival are about eight times as long as the others

[rigid abyss]

hey there, im new to this chat

does anyone know how to get the expanded mod of stardew

[hallow prism]

hi! this is more a question for #modded-stardew

but searching for expanded on nexus should be a pretty solid way to find it

[rigid abyss]

thank you, i really appreciate it

[silk basalt]

to confirm rq-- in tiled, if i want to add a message to a specific location when the player interacts with it, i need to have:
"Action Message (Name of message)"
Then put into the content.json to load the default.json string using that same name, yes?

[autumn tide]

By default.json you’re referring to the i18n, right?

[tame moat]

If you don't have Stardrop as a Mod Manager, I recommend getting that. Works well with Nexus

[silk basalt]

yes! thank you

[ivory plume]

(I made a custom chart for that answer and later realized I didn't actually post it. So here it is belatedly. )

[autumn tide]

-# (sorry I suck at maps and I don’t trust myself to help I was just double-checking what you meant )

[silk basalt]

OH that's valid alksdjf

[ornate locust]

I'm down to all three Spirit's Eves, datawise

Ice Festival worst by far, so far

[silk basalt]

how do i indicate on a map that something can be sat on like a chair or a bench?

[ornate locust]

If you use vanilla tilesets, it just works

Some modded tilesets also just work

if you want to make a new tileset object sittable, that is a different thing that I do know how to do, but I'm gonna make sure you need it before I launch into that LOL

[silk basalt]

ah, well, i'm using a copy of the secret woods map that i've edited, and i wanted to be able to have characters sit on one of the fallen pillars... i might just remove it and add a bench there though if you think that would be better salkdfj

[ornate locust]

That's doable, though I believe you'd need to make a custom tilesheet and apply the chair data to it, which isn't super recolor compatible

It depends on how much you want to do to make that happen

[silk basalt]

i'll just add a bench for now, i just want to be able to test the map to start lol

[ornate locust]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Sitting_on_non-furniture_chairs Here's the tutorial/wiki section, and if you want to see examples in action, I made some rotated couches sittable in this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/32021

[silk basalt]

thank you!!

also, uh, can you explain like i'm five how the npc warp and warp touchactions work in tiled? i have had a stroke of genius and decided to have my npc's home location be entered from the backwoods, so i need to have him pop out at the bus stop to avoid the headache that is. backwoods pathing

[ornate locust]

It's one of those "a line of info separated by slashes" kinds of deals. Since it's just a pillar, you shouldn't need chair tiles, I don't think (those are for things like the arm of a couch that will show in front of your character when you sit on it)

[urban patrol]

touch action warp (aka a normal warp): when player or NPC walk on the tile, they get warped to the endpoint
npc warp: same thing but only NPCs can use it

[silk basalt]

er, i meant. what the code means on the wiki page? sorry i should have been more specific lol

but. thank you alskdfj is there one for JUST the player, so i don't have the game explode when he tries to leave?

[urban patrol]

what i thought you were doing was

1. making a custom map that connects to backwoods
2. editing backwoods to add warps to your custom map
3. adding NPC warps to your custom map that shortcut straight to mountain/town/wherever

[silk basalt]

yes, that is the plan

OH could i maybe put the npc warp one tile ahead of the regular one?

[urban patrol]

the pathfinder will automatically calculate that the shortest route is to use the NPC warp, not the warp to the backwoods

but yes you should not overlap them

[silk basalt]

so like, to the left of these two

[urban patrol]

yeah that should work

how do you plan on having them get back? NPC warp as well?

[silk basalt]

yeah, i figured i'd put an npcwarp off to the side of the bus stop he could pathfind to

[urban patrol]

yep cool. just make sure that that warp endpoint is to the left of the "leaving the map" npc warp startpoint

this is easier to explain with visuals lol

[silk basalt]

thank you alskdfj

[urban patrol]

also looking at that picture are you sure those tile data don't need to be moved down one?

[silk basalt]

do you mind explaining what all of these parts mean, too? i THINK i know what i'm looking at, but i'd rather know if possible "NPCWarp [<int fromX> <int fromY> <string toArea> <int toX> <int toY>]+"

[urban patrol]

int means integer, which is a whole number (1 2 3, not 1.5 2.0 3.75)

from X and from Y are the coordinates on the map that you stand on to warp

to X and to Y are the coordinates on the other map where the warp dumps you

[silk basalt]

stringtoarea being the map name it wants to take me to right?

[urban patrol]

string toArea is the name of the location as a string

yep

[silk basalt]

ayy okay, i can work with that for sure lol thank you

[urban patrol]

wait acutally clarification: it wants the location name, not the map name

do you understand maps vs locations?

also for illustration purposes: red is an NPC warp to BusStop or wherever. blue is where the warp you add to BusStop will dump them

[silk basalt]

can you explain please?;;;

and thank youuu that makes sense

also, how do i make tiled display the. y'know. tiles as the x and y coordinates here instead of pixels?;;

[urban patrol]

map: a tmx or tbin that gets loaded to Maps/MapName. contains data about the physical map, like warps, music, lighting, where the player can walk, etc

location: an abstract thing tied to a map, generated on load. contains data about fish, forage, and is what's used for things like schedules and warps

[urban patrol]

when you hover over a tile, do you see a pair of numbers followed by a number in parantheses at the bottom left?

like 5, 7 (298)

[silk basalt]

OH i do thank you

[urban patrol]

yep that's the coords the (298) is the tile index, which is helpful for things like day and night tiles

[silk basalt]

do i need to keep the coordinates and the location string in the <>s?

[urban patrol]

no, <> indicates that something is a required field

[silk basalt]

so this looks right? "NPCWarp [56 16 BusStop 18 11 ]+"

[urban patrol]

a warp should look like 2 8 BusStop 16 30

no [ ] either, and no +

[ ] on the wiki (usually) means these fields are allowed but not required, and + means you can add multiple of the same thing after that

so a list of warps on the map would look like 2 8 BusStop 16 30 2 9 BusStop 16 31 etc etc

[silk basalt]

and does this look okay for the player's exit warp?

[urban patrol]

also, when you get to editing the bus stop map, let me know. map properties are different for when you're EditMapping vs Loading

yeah assuming your coords are correct

[silk basalt]

honestly the maps part is somehow significantly scarier than the rest of it,,, since there's so many little intricacies lol

[urban patrol]

once you have a handle on the most important things, it gets easier i promise

my first map was soooooo fucked up, i had no idea that the layers did different things, so i was just slapping things willy nilly on the buildings layer and creating new layers like Layer9

[silk basalt]

i think the maps are done for now,,, it's just a matter of figuring out how to get the game to load them in and get the i18n to cooperate too

oh, right, is this the correct way to get this text to display...?

[autumn tide]

-# looks around awkwardly in Front12

[urban patrol]

try it and see! (i say because i've used message like twice ever)

[silk basalt]

[urban patrol]

if you followed the wiki format then you're probably good

[silk basalt]

i was given an example last night that looks like this

so that makes me worry i'm doing the wrong string for it

[urban patrol]

i'm absolutely not admonishing you, but you'll save yourself a lot of time if you test things and then come in here if they don't work, rather than waiting for approval on everything you do

[silk basalt]

i'd wanna do the one that's on the left there, right?;;

er, like, for the items in question though, not that

[urban patrol]

that being said i don't see map.blockingshelf anywhere in there

[silk basalt]

ah, that's just the text i copied and pasted in, i still need to edit it

[urban patrol]

and you wouldn't want to use the i18n key, you would want to use the key in Strings/StringsFromMaps

[silk basalt]

okay, i'm gonna just. try it and see

i always get worried i'm going to break things beyond repair lmao

sorry if i'm taking over chat;;; not trying to i promise

[urban patrol]

this isn't possible in CP unless you have a habit of testing and saving on your beloved year 5 save and then also deleting save backups

in 10 months of modding the worst i've done was had the game crash on entering the new save menu, which was harmless overall

and don't worry if other people had questions we would be getting interrupted

[ornate locust]

I have finished collecting all the spots that need adding and changing

🎉

[ornate locust]

why is Elliott on the vanilla map twice for the egg festival main event? In the actual map in the vanilla game?

???

[urban patrol]

you likely have both main and setup on

[ornate locust]

Me: oh that's odd, this lists him twice, let's see where he is on the map- BWEH?

I have it on in that image, but he's actually lower in the setup. I turned it off and that is still what you see

No I mean

Ingame

I am in the files

[urban patrol]

well i see emily twice in your image too

[ornate locust]

As I said, on the image, it's on.

[urban patrol]

oh she disappears but elliott doesn't?

odd

[ornate locust]

Setup Elliott is neither of those, he's over here

[urban patrol]

is this y1?

[ornate locust]

Yeah

the elliott is multiplying

[urban patrol]

my best guess is that the whole list gets parsed but the second one (the lower left one) wins and overwrites the first

[ornate locust]

If I run the festival ingame, it appears that the higher one wins since he isn't here

[urban patrol]

welp then never mind lol

[ornate locust]

Actually... LOL he appears to be facing the way of the lower left one but positioned like the upper one

confused elliott

[urban patrol]

as confused as me lol

unless there's a faceDirection command in the event script somewhere

[ornate locust]

If I talk to him, it fixes him and he faces left

[urban patrol]

you can talk to them during main event?

[ornate locust]

Well, once the egg hunt starts

when you can move freely

[calm nebula]

Re unpack your game

[urban patrol]

i never knew you could lol too busy egg hunting

[ornate locust]

It still looks like that

I think it's just like that...

[calm nebula]

Huhhhh

I thought was fixed

[ornate locust]

Maybe it's fixed in the alpha? I'm not running that

[calm nebula]

It would have been 1.6

I have absolutely ignored 1.7

[inland rain]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/40750

[lucid iron]

do pets have like 3 layers of appearancy things now

[tiny zealot]

this happens if you position an NPC twice. the second one moves them to the new position but does not change their facing, which remains in the direction from their first position.
so it seems like yes, elliott is simply there twice and the second one moves him

[inland rain]

this adds a third level... I think the game just has type and breed

type also affects the sound it makes I guess

[lucid iron]

yea i meant [with this mod]

[inland rain]

I also learned by accident that you can have a pet turtle, though idk how that happens

[lucid iron]

when is the last time you played game

[inland rain]

I TRIED YESTERDAY but then I wanted a black dog, so here I am smh

I'm only safe playing games I can't mod

[wispy bramble]

you can buy the turtle from Marnie after getting max friendship with the starter pet

[summer spoke]

Is it possible to make a different map and put some new community boxes there?

[autumn tide]

hmm, do you mean like the junimo bundles?

[summer spoke]

Yes. I don't know if I want to use the sprite of a junimo like the community center, but that's exactly what I mean

But them again, the junimo are really cute and I won't be against using them

[lucid iron]

Unlockable bundles is what u want

It has many visual options

[vernal crest]

Unlockable bundles is a mod, in case you're not already familiar with it

[summer spoke]

Great. I was given the advice of writing it down first, but I don't want to accidently write in something that I won't be able to do if that makes sense.

Thank you

[ornate locust]

4 festivals down, 4 to go (including the Ice Festival and Spirit's Eve, so it's not exactly halfway done...)

[summer spoke]

you've got this

[upper rune]

Got permission to post my portrait mod for Jade! I felt like her high detail portraits were a little out of place so did some light tweaking. Might have just been me but if anyone is interested it's here https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/40752

[vernal crest]

Would you like this post showcased?

[upper rune]

That would be great thank you 🙂

[ocean sail]

@upper rune You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[ornate locust]

I have conquered the ice festival

[autumn tide]

ooh?

[ornate locust]

Two of these have few changes, but then I have to fight the Three Variants of Spirit's Eve spooky oooOOooOo

that's the final boss battle

[autumn tide]

godspeed voyager 🫡

[ornate locust]

Might need more changes than I know how to do for Y3...

[urban patrol]

do other mod authors bother to do y3?

[ornate locust]

wait I think I see the change I need.

I dunno, I did.

and since I'm putting moved vanilla characters up there, I've got their locations too

[uncut viper]

most dont because doing y3 will break NPCs that dont have a y3, as i recall

same with y4, y5,etc

[lapis steeple]

Is it possible to use the heart level to determine a character's schedule? Specifically I'm imagining editing the wizard's schedule to be completely different once you hit a certain heart level, and when I tried it, it didn't work but I also could have made a mistake somewhere

[ornate locust]

It doesn't use Y3 like that

It has a condition that checks the year, it's technically Y1